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Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 3:01am On May 20, 2010
udezue:
Oyinda

The different Biafra groups will have autonomy and besides we are like one people regardless of our differences so as long as fairness is honored I don't see any break up.
LOL, LOL, LOL (1000 times). So you immediately become one people when you break up sebi?

So you guys would have no president right? And if all the presidents are all from Anambra, people from Enugu, Ebony and co, will sit down and be applauding? Not to talk of Urhobo, and Efik and company. Not going to work, I know Nigerians, we keep building divisions in our minds that no one gives an F about.

You guys are arrogant enough to assume that you would initiate a new form of government not logically possible or precedented in this world, while unable to do that for at least a 500 years of existing on earth as a community.
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 2:53am On May 20, 2010
Federal government owns MMA in Lagos and Abuja airports. Imo state government built the Owerri airport.
Please take a step back from your bigoted victim attitude and think critically. Lagos was a former capital of Nigeria and currently the commercial nerve center of Nigeria hence an international airport. Abuja is the current capital of Nigeria. Incidentally none of these places are in the South-East so no need for an international airport. We cannot build an international airport because you said so. When Nigeria becomes as wealthy as the US where you can build airports in every main city, then the South East can have an airport Ok.

The Federal Government does not have money to be building International airports up and down.

Please read this carefully, evaluate and hammer it into your thick skull which has grown hard from centuries of living in a village. grin
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 2:45am On May 20, 2010
[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=445416.msg6063566#msg6063566 date=1274319435]lol.
what makes u think that the content of the newspaper is objective Fact!?
so you take the parts u quoted about "primitive tribe" and what not, as FACT?  huh

i mean i get your point that it may be more credible than what these young kids r saying but still. i wouldn't call it fact. still lots of subjectivity to it.[/quote]Because my brilliant brain can tell fact from makeup especially from articles. My quote was focussed on the cannibalism part- no concerns on the primitive. Nevertheless, I would posit that the classifying the igbo as primitive in the anthropological sense is not that far from the truth. They did live in a very different set up than most cultures- even the Yoruba and Fulani lived in large towns and such. I know usually one must be skeptical of how Europeans/Americans write about Africans, but one can tell when biases influence writing style.

The content is objective because it does not have a side. Its a well balanced piece of writing. I like the fact it does not blame the biafra war on one particular ethnic  group. Fact in that it flows with other previous history sources written in the same period.
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 2:38am On May 20, 2010
udezue:
[b]Nigerian aggression, British support

British interests are very clearly revealed in the declassified files. ‘Our direct interests are trade and investment, including an important stake by Shell/BP in the eastern Region. There are nearly 20,000 British nationals in Nigeria, for whose welfare we are of course specially [sic] concerned’, the Foreign Office noted a few days before the outbreak of the war. Shell/BP’s investments amounted to around £200 million, with other British investment in Nigeria accounting for a further £90 million. It was then partly owned by the British government, and the largest producer of oil which provided most of Nigeria’s export earnings. Most of this oil was in the eastern region.
Commonwealth Minister George Thomas wrote in August 1967 that: ‘The sole immediate British interest in Nigeria is that the Nigerian economy should be brought back to a condition in which our substantial trade and investment in the country can be further developed, and particularly so we can regain access to important oil installations’.

Thomas further outlined the primary reason why Britain was so keen to preserve Nigerian unity, noting that ‘our only direct interest in the maintenance of the federation is that Nigeria has been developed as an economic unit and any disruption of this would have adverse effects on trade and development’. If Nigeria were to break up, he added: ‘We cannot expect that economic cooperation between the component parts of what was Nigeria, particularly between the East and the West, will necessarily enable development and trade to proceed at the same level as they would have done in a unified Nigeria; nor can we now count on the Shell/BP oil concession being regained on the same terms as in the past if the East and the mid-West assume full control of their own economies’.[/b]

http://markcurtis./2007/02/13/nigeriabiafra-1967-70/

African people are very smart.
Did not change anything I said. they wanted to see the economic development of a country they instituted. That economic development depended on being united.

There is no international airport in the true North and the Hausa are not complaining.

so i have a few more ignorant questions:
is there a efik language? or a separate ibibio language?
what will happen if the ethnic groups in biafra end up not getting along? will the country split further?
They are collectively called Efik-Ibibio. I think efik s the ethnic group, and ibibio is the language. Efik is a linguistic language group, so it contains a large number of dialects
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 2:30am On May 20, 2010
[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=445416.msg6063485#msg6063485 date=1274318064]haha i'm yoruba o. friend of father ko, sister of husband ni  grin


wow TIMES magazine. as late as 1968? that's almost the 70s!! wow i'm speechless from reading that. just wow. we have indeed come a long way. or maybe not. what we have today is just modern colonialism anyways
and what was your cannibalism thread?  tongue[/quote]They archived everything even as late as 1945. You will see all the info just as Nigeria was starting. Read some of their archives- you will find out that 95% of the people on NL say rubbish lolz. Facts are Facts  grin

The newspaper tell things as they were happening in Nigeria at that time not dem say info that these young igbo kids are using.

Onlytruth:
Anyway, we need a REAL international airport in the East.
Let me say what most people already know, any such airport in the East will be viable. Worst case scenario, it would deflate Lagos and Abuja airports, but how is that my business?
Place a fully functional international airport in Enugu or Asaba, or even Calabar and Uyo.
Stop fearing the inevitable.
Who is fearing what? Abeg let Nigeria develop Murtala first b4 they even move to another international airport. Instead tell them to focus on building railway system, so you guys could travel by rail from lagos back to southeast Nigeria instead of whining about international airport.
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 2:14am On May 20, 2010
Besides, the Ibos are a proud, sometimes arrogant people, and their frequent bursts of self-praise did little to make them popular. Former Nigerian President Nnamdi Azikiwe, himself an Ibo, is fond of saying, "The god of Africa has created the Ibo nation to lead the children of Africa from the bondage of the ages."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,838607-3,00.html#ixzz0oQZ7NuIp
grin

True nationalism here grin, by the father of nationalism
sjeezy8:
DAYUMMM who wrote that article . . . . lipsrsealed it was like praising the igbo for having the potential to be the most westernized(which they are) and at the same time it was kinda degrading to what is actually "igbo" according to what the europeans thought was primative.

Its like saying "igbos were once the most backward cannibalistic tribe in Nigeria but theyre backwardness served well for being westernized easily".

CRAZY  shocked
Its a brilliant piece and very accurate. A lot of what they write coincides with other sources. They are correct that Igbo people used to spend 40% of their funds sending a brilliant child in the village to school abroad. If you read Chinua Achebe's no longer at ease, the main character funded his education in the University of London in such a way. Times is really good, and they provide quite good info on what was happening in Nigeria at that time. They write really flowery though, like romanticizing Africa and making it look way more exotic than it seems.
SEFAGO, did we not discuss that issue already. . .
The cannibalism one?? I still dont know the answer- everyone called me a tribalist instead of giving me info. I have to trust what oyinbo people are saying since my own fellow africans dont want to provide info. Capische?? grin
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 1:53am On May 20, 2010
When the British arrived in Nigeria, the Ibos were among the most primitive people they encountered, scratching out their lives on yam patches and occasionally supplementing their low-protein diet with human flesh.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,838607-2,00.html#ixzz0oQVTGTTc

Hehe I am going to revive my cannibalism thread grin
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 1:49am On May 20, 2010
Yes it would have coz Africans would for the 1st time realize that they are NOT cattle and sheep the Europeans can herd and command to do anything. The British GOVT know this hence they fought tooth and nail to maintain the status quo so they could continue to milk the continent and they are still milking it. Yakubu Gowon did not handle anything brilliantly. He is a fool who got used and dumped and now his people are suffering the effects in the hands of the Fulani. The brilliant person is Woodrow Wilson of UK.

Biafra = AFRICAN PRIDE.
Woodrow Wilson was American+racist+brilliant+ not born in the biafran era- I dont think you are talking of the same person I am thinking about

The British Govt might have had a vested interest in keeping Nigeria one, but I think they also were interested in making sure that a country they saw so much potential in could work. Don't claim to know the agenda of the Brits except you get all their secret docs and read the mind of their diplomats- we can only suppose.

Gowon was very benevolent- he tried his best to curb any excessive tribalistic retaliations that could occur from treason of the secessionist.

chiogo:
The situation I'm referring to is the "domestic" thing mentioned in earlier pages.

*Sigh* I'm done.
Well this goes back to the discussion  grin, I am trying to point out that there is no conspiracy to undermine the igbo in Nigeria. Tell some of your state government to stop stealing money, and develop your airports.

Good governance trumps tribalism everyday. Like who leads igbo states= Igbo leaders. Never seen an Hausa in power lol
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 1:27am On May 20, 2010
Oyinda if you are bored:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,838606,00.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,878714,00.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,844240,00.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,838607,00.html

Dont let these igbo scammers fool you. Most of them debate biafra from an emotional point of view. I deal with pragmatism. Most igbo people on NL see themselves as the victim, not as a complementary tone in the bitter music of Nigeria.

Yakubu Gowon handled the biafran situation brilliantly. No one could have done better. If Biafra had left Nigeria, it would have had significant effects on Africa.
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 1:12am On May 20, 2010
[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=445416.msg6063310#msg6063310 date=1274314041]haha rotflmao so what does oyinda translate to in igbo? i wanna kno  cheesy


anyways, i have my question mostly answered.
oh one more. these efik-ibibio people and other minority groups, were they also part of biafra during the war? is biafra igbo only?  huh or are cross-river, akwa-ibom and rivers state among?[/quote]They were fully part of biafra, but the SS people of the ND were more on the fence but they aided the biafrans in food and kind
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 1:01am On May 20, 2010
So, it's not a low percentage. The Igbos are still a minority. Anything less than 50% = minority.
lolz, I think its the highest percentage not the 50%. I might be wrong  grin grin I am not usually wrong though
And what did I say about renovating the existing ones?
Either way you wanna put it, they're of low standard. Murtala Muhammed may not have sufficient facilities but it sure has more than these ones in the East.
LOLz, what I am saying is that an international airport requires to reach a certain standard. MM is an international airport because it meets the requirements for one. Of course it must have better facilities than the one in the east. You want Airfrance or BA or Delta to be landing in shitty airports?

international airports cost money. And for a small country like Nigeria, I think we have more than enough. Please go and find out how many international airports some countries have before you start bickering
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 12:47am On May 20, 2010
[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=445416.msg6063204#msg6063204 date=1274312577]ok so what ethnic group do akwa ibomites belong to?  huh[/quote]Efik-ibibio mostly. They are a mixture of ethnic groups but the dominant ones are the Efiks

udezue:
Kobojunkie, I see u like to argue for the sake of arguments.

Tagging some airport is one thing but directing international flights in and out of it is another.

My family will love to land in Enugu but can't because its not offered. PH, Calabar, Owerri are in the same situation.
Una no dey hear? Do you know how much it would cost to set up an international airport? Do you think it has to do with the naija governement? If your leaders decide to have an international airport, I doubt anyone would stop them lol.
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 12:37am On May 20, 2010
Calabar people are Efik lol, though there might be some igbo people. I would be the first to admit, I am really clueless about the complex identities in Nigeria
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 12:34am On May 20, 2010
But whatever, I'm done arguing. The bottom line is that even if there exists airports in the East, most of them are NOT yet recognized as international. At the end of the day, they're useless to many Igbos esp. those outside the country.
You dont just recognize an airport as international chiogo- you need to create facilities that can make it an international airport. International plane flights require a lot of facilities and man power that cost money. Even murtala muhammad does not have sufficient facilities b4 you make another airport in the east. Dont forget that its not just incoming flights but outgoing one- now the US has to worry about some south-east/south-south terrorist from MEND  grin

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=445416.msg6063133#msg6063133 date=1274311590]ok thanks for the clarification. it confuses me when i hear "calabar people this" "igbo people that" then i think to myself, aren't calabar people igbo? lol
and why is ANAMBRA in caps lock? is that where you are from?[/quote]Sjeezy8 is yarning you yams  grin
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 12:24am On May 20, 2010
sjeezy8:
igbo states- Akwa ibom, cross river, River state, enugu, abia, imo, ANAMBRA, ebonyi.

Everyone in the EAST IS IGBO- there are no other ethnic groups
grin
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 11:27pm On May 19, 2010
Whats happening here? All these arguments about airport. grin let me reread, and learn the source of all the brouhaha
Politics › Re: Nigerian Students In Uk Varsities Are Exceptional’ by SEFAGO(m): 11:23pm On May 19, 2010
4 Play:
The average Nigerian student does not 'excel' in the UK/US. If they did, Oxford and Cambridge will be falling over themselves to get their hands on Nigerian graduates. The reality is that education is an income generator, especially for universities at the bottom of the quality scale where you will find most Naija students.

These Unis depend on foreign graduates, through exorbitant fees, to subsidise education for the locals and make ends meet. Nigeria happens to be one of the largest customer base. You don't expect this salesman to say that Nigerian students are not really that good but they need them because they are prepared to pay +£9000 per head.
Hmm, depends. Oxford and Cambridge also depend on foreign graduates for dough. The problem is that the average Nigerian is not given the opportunity to attend either Oxford or Cambridge so there is not a critical mass number to show the quality of Nigerian graduate. Oxbridge cost quite a large amount of money that the average Nigerian student cannot afford.

shotster50:
@ Sefago

If mekusx said the same thing about Igbo, you know you would be all up on his a,ss
True, but mekusxx actually believes what he writes. I am aware than no ethnic group has the prerogative over good or bad. Basically I stoke trouble, but I rarely start it. Two different things.
Politics › Re: Nigerian Students In Uk Varsities Are Exceptional’ by SEFAGO(m): 1:14pm On May 19, 2010
Kai check out how I dominated the thread- I am such an attention seeker grin

Anyways it was obviously a joke, I knew most people would not post in this thread anyways until I start trouble. grin by the way I said Yoruba people are smart but I did not denigrate anyone. Why the hate?
Politics › Re: Nigerian Students In Uk Varsities Are Exceptional’ by SEFAGO(m): 1:11pm On May 19, 2010
Ikengawo:
i dont believe in this brain drain myth.


most of us don't realize that most of us are brilliant in nigeria.

the UK and USA aren't getting the 'best' nigerians, they're getting average nigerians and realizing the average nigerian is smarter then the average anyone else.


if the schools in nigeria were up to standard they would be and currently are, pumping out geniuses.

also idk why ppl are trying to make it a tribal thing cause lets be realistic, JAMB statistics have proven igbos get almost double the scores of yorubas and triple hausas.
LOL thats quite the generalization. Its a bit perspicacious in that you are correct in asserting that average Nigeria students do excel in the UK/US. You cannot blame them- the fear of returning to poverty in Nigeria would make you work harder in the US/UK.
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 5:04pm On May 18, 2010
^ See im name now- Goodluck Jonathan- thats a bonafide igbo name grin
Politics › Re: How Zik Scuttled His Own Chances Of Ruling Nigeria by SEFAGO(m): 1:43pm On May 18, 2010
Dede1:
If ruling the cesspit called Nigeria is a more important political achievement of the 1950/60 era than gaining independent statues for protectorates as majority of peeps on this thread has shown, I guess that Azikwe should be guilty as charged.   

It is very unfortunate that some empty heads that knew nothing next to the history of the protectorates and road to independent are proffering skewed analogies of well established transparent system in UK and system marred with colonialist induced tribal fighting and distrust, lack of transparency and clogged with newspaper articles with no verifiable sources in the North and South Protectorates of British colony in West Africa.
The word "cesspit" don suffer in your hands
Politics › Re: Nigerian Students In Uk Varsities Are Exceptional’ by SEFAGO(m): 1:14pm On May 18, 2010
yoruba people are so smart
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 10:32pm On May 17, 2010
ezeagu:
That's only because the Igbo people started having a meeting. grin
True that- townhouse meeting that no non-igbo was invited to, so I did not comment
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 8:44pm On May 17, 2010
agabaI23:
Prof is that correct?
I was writing a 50 paged paper- so I typed most of my stuff quickly. My writing skills are still phenomenal grin
Business › Re: Was Abiola An International Drug Baron? by SEFAGO(m): 10:45pm On May 16, 2010
That night as they slept on the floor at the back of To-chi’s shop, Mekus woke up suddenly to a strange feeling - his anus was being penetrated ! He tried to resist ,but was too tired and he sort of enjoyed it.
HAHAHA I just cannot add anything to such a beautiful piece
Business › Re: Was Abiola An International Drug Baron? by SEFAGO(m): 2:12pm On May 16, 2010
Nna bros this story is funny
Education › Re: Schooling In The Uk Just Got Tougher by SEFAGO(m): 2:08pm On May 16, 2010
[quote author=Ijele-igbo link=topic=445579.msg6040074#msg6040074 date=1273910959]Who gives a Zap about UK? The best university, Harvard University is in the US. Canada is even better than UK.[/quote]LOL
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 5:36am On May 15, 2010
If people learn to work together and stop being greedy, the world would be a much better a place. We do not have to live in a Hobbesian state of nature.
Never going to happen. We are more likely to have a flying sheep called Dolly in a few years than that ever happening.
Politics › Re: Igbo Extraction And Leadership Problem by SEFAGO(m): 5:24am On May 15, 2010
How do you know a nation-state cannot work in such a way? Just because it was never tried before does not mean it will not work. The United States was an experiment that apparently worked. I do not believe in such zero-sum games either. If people learn to work together and stop being greedy, the world would be a much better a place. We do not have to live in a Hobbesian state of nature.
Because so many factors would get in the way. The theory I propose: The larger a political unit, the more susceptible it is to decay. You can see that is socialist theory- all good as theory, but not really good when trying to apply it to large states like the former USSR. The supposed communal democracy would not even likely work if all the igbo come together to form Biafra. i dont know the various divisions with igbo people but I am sure problems would arise from the diversity with the igbo people.

The Hausa are one of the most unified groups because they have a strong Caste system. The Fulani elite in the leadership realm and the Hausa at the core masses. This has been solidified for centuries with the common islamic faith, and the Islamic structure. Infact the Hausa Fulani had the closest paradigm of a nation state- makese sense that they can play politics with superior skills well.


You give too much credit to the hausa fulani. We have seen how united they are with the incapacitation of Yaradua and eventual death and all the undercurrent. We have seen how united they are, yet Atiku and Buhari cannot form a credible opposition party.
Olodo. Atiku is not Hausa-fulani, and I doubt Buhari is one too. Infact most of Nigerian presidents from the North have not being Hausa Fulani. Abacha was Kanuri too. The fulani-Hausa influence stuff in the background.

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