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Boko: why sir?
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"Yar'adua you don die?" Or yar' adua have you died?"


I think that was during the pdp presidential campaign in 2007.Obj is a very funny man.

ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

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One of the passengers (a woman) died this morning in the Surgical Emergency section of LASUTH. I witnessed it. So sad!

punnonline: Satan isnt God worst enemy a king doesnt make enemies with his subjects. Satan formerly lucifer was a very powerful angel who got power drunk and tried to overthrow God.

Na wa o!

Oh sorry! I have seen where you quoted the hadith...but I think there is a difference between "he stood up to honour him" and "he prayed for him" don't you think so?

Ganys: My friend, stop saying what you dont know. It was reported that during the time of prophet Muhammad(SAW), He was in the midst of his companion when some Jew were carrying a dead Body. The prophet rose and prayed for the dead Jew, while other companion refused to stand. A companion then challeged why prophet should rise to respect a DEAD INFIDEL, but the prophet replied him that It is rewarding for any Muslim to respect and Pray for any Dead Human soul, irrespective of his/her Faith. The Companion them stood up and helped in burrying the Dead Jew.
Source: Sahih Bukhari
THANK YOU

Are you sure he prayed for the jew?, I was thinking he only stood up to honour him...could you please post the exact hadith?

brentkruge: Say the truth and shame Shaiytan!


From Ibn Sa'd pages 251, 252:
....When the apostle of Allah conquered Khaibar and he had peace of mind, Zaynab Bint al-Harith the brother of Marhab, who was the spouse of Sallam Ibn Mishkam, inquired, "Which part of the goat is liked by Muhammad?" They said, "The foreleg." Then she slaughtered one from her goats and roasted it (the meat). Then she wanted a poison which could not fail. .... The apostle of Allah took the foreleg, a piece of which he put into his mouth. Bishr took another bone and put it into his mouth. When the apostle of Allah ate one morsel of it Bishr ate his and other people also ate from it. Then the apostle of Allah said, "Hold back your hands! because this foreleg; ...informed me that it is poisoned. Thereupon Bishr said, "By Him who has made you great! I discovered it from the morsel I took. Nothing prevented me from emitting it out, but the idea that I did not like to make your food unrelishing. When you had eaten what was in your mouth I did not like to save my life after yours, and I also thought you would not have eaten it if there was something wrong.
Bishr did not rise form his seat but his color changed to that of "taylsan" (a green cloth)..........The apostle of Allah sent for Zaynab and said to her, "What induced you to do what you have done?" She replied, "You have done to my people what you have done. You have killed my father, my uncle and my husband, so I said to myself, "If you are a prophet, the foreleg will inform you; and others have said, "If you are a king we will get rid of you.""......
The apostle of Allah lived after this three years till in consequence of his pain he passed away. During his illness he used to say, "I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaibar and I suffered several times (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein."



From Tabari Volume 8, page 124:
The messenger of God said during the illness from which he died - the mother of Bishr had come in to visit him - "Umm Bishr, at this very moment I feel my aorta being severed because of the food I ate with your son at Khaybar."


From Bukhari's Hadith 5.713:

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O
'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this
time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."




From Ibn Sa'd page 294

Umm Bishr [the mother of the Muslim man who also died eating poison], came to the prophet during his illness and said, "O apostle of Allah! I never saw fever like it in any one." The prophet said to her, "Our trial is double and so our reward [in heaven], is double. What do the people say about it [his illness]?" She said, "They say it is pleurisy." Thereupon the apostle said, "Allah will not like to make His apostle suffer from it (pleurisy) because it indicates the possession of Satan, but (my disease is the result of) the morsel that I had taken along your son. It has cut my jugular vein."

I have explained to her (bright007) about how the prophet completed his mission perfectly before he died. Either he was killed by the effect of the poison or even murdered by the enemy physically does not prove he was not a prophet. Remember zachariah, john the baptist, jerimiah etc were all killed... Do you now say there were no prophets? Even the christian claimed jesus was killed...so what is actualy your point?
Moreover, it was the wish of the prophet to die as a martyr and Allah granted the wish of his messenger(saw) in the most honourable way.

logicboy: 1) Dreams are just dreams. They have no effect on real life. If your 4 year old son has a nightmare, would you start asking him about the dream to interpret it?

2) Evolution is a strong scientific theory. Only brainwashed creationists fight against it. There should be no debate about evolution. Davidylan lost the argument on evolution. There is enough evidence for it and I showed him. He could only resort to strawmen.

Evolution destroys any notion that we human beings were created.

Have you ever wondered why your Allah never left the Middle East or North Africa? Because it was people from the same place with no knowledge of the Americas or East Asia that made him up

The Koran is not scientific. Does it offer any cure to diseases? Does it put forward any calculations?


3)Allah does not exist. If he did, he is not just. Have you ever seen a baby die of starvation? Whose child deserves that fate? Do you know what Arab slaves in the past suffered? Do you know what it is to be castrated like an animal? Who deserves the fate of a slave? Why are you not a suffering slave? Does Allah love you more than other muslims or non-muslims? What of muslims that have lost their arms and eyesight to suicide bombers? What kind of fate is that? Deos anyone deserve that fate?

1) Dreams are not just dreams my friend, because you may not be gifted doesn't mean dreams are just dreams. Enough said.

2) So how did the first living organism on earth come about? Abi na ofurufu (thin air) evolved into the first organism?
The message of the quran is universal, since Allah will not come down himself or send angels down physically forcing us to believe out of fear...then he has to send humans to humans and the humans must come from a region of the world...it will then be funny if a prophet appears among the german people and starts speaking yoruba to his german audience. What I'm saying in essence is, though the message of the quran is universal, For instance everything the quran forbids is something that mankind as a whole will somehow agree its not the best practice. It is the right thing to ask people before serving them pork anywhere in the world, fornication is also frowned at everywhere in the world... Also what the quran advocates is universal... anybody could arrive at oneness of God anywhere in the world without even meeting a single muslim. The prophet has to relate with his immediate people according to language and the culture they understand. This doesn't mean the arabs invented islam.
The quran is not a book of "science" but the book of "signs". In other words, the quran will only call your attention to something and advice you to reflect on it;
"And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." (Surah Ar-Rum, 22),
"And among His Signs is the sleep that you take by night and by day, and your seeking of His Bounty. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who listen." (Surah Ar-Rum 23),
"And among His Signs is that He
shows you the lightning, by way of
fear and hope, and He sends down
water (rain) from the sky, and
therewith revives the earth after its
death. Verily, in that are indeed signs
for a people who understand." (Surah
Ar-Rum 24).
By the way, do you have any objection to what I posted concerning what the quran says about the origin of the universe?.

3) Again, starvation, war, disease and any other calamity does not prove there is no Allah. I again advise you to study the "99 names of Allah" for better understanding.

bright007: talking about u having revelations or being forewarned before any event,How come your great prophet who died from poison did not get ťĥĕ revelation and consequently not eat d poisoned meat he ŵăš given?

If you are religious and you are disputing about dreams then I'm sorry for you.
To start with, after the prophet ate the poison, he still lived years before he died just like any other human being. he performed his final hajj, the last revelation was revealed; "...this day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour upon you, and have chosen Islam as your religion..."(Quran 5:3), he delivered his final sermon wherein he asked the muslims to bear witness that he has completely delivered Allah's message to them... And the people bore witness to it and he let them know this is his last message. Or do you want the prophet to still hang out with the muslims after he has completed his message?. On his death bed his saying "as if I am feeling the taste of the poison..." Only shows that Allah granted for him his wish of dieing as a martyr. Assuming the prophet (saw) has died immediately he ate the food, someone like you would have been on the throats of the muslims mocking us. Thus, Allah granted the wish of his prophet(saw) in the most honourable way.
NOTE: the prophet was informed that the food has been poisoned but still chewed the meat but later spat it away. All the companions who took the meat died immediately and became martyrs.

logicboy: 1) Dreams are just dreams. They have little or no effect on real life. How many times have you died in your dream? Yet, you're still alive in real life.

2) The Koran is not scientific. It is a lie that has been told to young muslims that the Koran contains knowledge that scientists are just finding. The creation story that Adam and Eve were created has been debunked by evolution.

3) Allah/God does not exists. It is convenient for you to agree that your life is in Allah's will because you are not starving or heavily suffering. Why should Allah care for you but not the muslims starving in Somalia? Why should Allah care for you but not the slaves that muslims castrated and killed? Are you a btter muslim than the muslims thatlose their childern in sucide bombings? Are you better than the muslim civilians that get killed in wars?

1) Some dreams are actually the manifestation of our imagination in reality which our brain dramatises to us when we sleep.
The real or good dream (in islamic term) is the one that informs the dreamer of what to come in future. sometimes this type of dream comes true exactly as it is seen, sometimes it comes figuratively. Now, I don't expect you to believe me, either you believe or not it doesn't stop the reality.
2) The quran been the book of signs talks about the "big bang";
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the
heavens and the earth were joined
together (as one unit of creation),
BEFORE WE CLOVE THEM ASUNDER?
We made from water every living
thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"
Also the scientists talk about the universe EXPANDING;; "the universe be consisted of compact ball
of hydrogen -- protons, neutrons,
electrons, and their anti-particles --
plus radiation. There were not
differentiated planets, stars, suns,
galaxies. Five billion years ago, the
compact hydrogen soup blasted apart
with huge force, matter was hurled in
all directions, and the universe
doubled in size. This EXPANSION of
the universe is still going
on." [taken from "Ask Yahoo" web site
at http://ask.yahoo.com/
ask/20001027.html].
Again the quran is correct on this when it says; "And the firmament, We constructed
with power and skill and verily We
are EXPANDING it. (The Noble Quran,
51:47)". There are still more if you ask it shall be supplied.
I think you had it enough from davidylan concerning the issue of evolution.
3) For the fact that supernatural belief is as old as human being himself, the fact that the population of the atheists is infinitesimal compare to that of the religious...Then the burden of proof (that there is no God) lies on those who are against the popular and the oldest view.
Starvation, disease, war and any other calamity doesn't prove that there is no Allah. I advice you to study the "99 names of Allah" for better understanding.

logicboy: Allah doesnt exist.


Where is Allah for these muslims;


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If Allah doesn't exist, how come EVERY time I sleep or slumber (not just every night but any time of the day I sleep or slumber) I have a dream and my dream doesn't fail to come true?, nothing befalls me except what I have seen in my dream. That is, since I can reason myself nothing has ever met me unawares but I will always anticipate it for it has been shown to me already. No face or place I see for the first time in (reality) is new to me for I would have been shown before I meet it (major world events are not left out).
If Allah doesn't exist, how come ALL the quranic stands on the origin of the universe are scientifically correct? This is impossible for someone in the 7th century to have come up with...the 20th century scientists spend billions with all the sophisticated devices before they could arrive on what is already in the quran 1400 years ago.
Also if Allah doesn't exist what are the chances of you writing the english alphabets on different materials and throw them to the sky and when landing they all landed arranged in alphabetical order?.
You are funny, so you think Allah is one sort of a "super man" that will just fly to the crime scene and rescue somebody in danger?. You see, there is good and evil... and Allah will reward those who perpetuate in both good and evil accordingly.

logicboy: I cant be a hypocrite anymore;


Majaze, shut up and accept that you're wrong. All this contortions you are doing is not helping you. Electricity was not invented. We know the meaning of invented. Stop it!

Just stop abeg. You are not much better than the christians who twist "slave" to mean "bondservant" or the muslims who twist "hit our wife" to "tap lightly"

Kai! You are a character, may Allah guide you to islam.

Kay 17: Design is a result of conforming the physical laws of the universe. Your house must obey such laws/rules to stand. Because the universe (everything in existence) has a character, it demands of this of entities within it. Physical laws guides all entites and even from apparent accidents they still hold designs. If God did create the universe from nothing, the Universe will be characterless as nothing is. As a result, there would be no need for design. On the other hand, if God created it from himself, the Universe will be supernatural as God is. Do we have a irrational Universe? NO! And there wouldn't be a design!

Why life has been able to survive on this planet is an odd. But looking at the vastness of the Universe, a tiny little spot among trillions of spots ought to have the right conditions for life to germinate and the adaptability of Life must be taken into consideration.

Did you just say "physical laws of the universe"? How did it come about?, was these laws formed by themselves?, how can a law that makes everything exist in an organised way be formed entirely by itself: it makes everything stick to the earth (gravity) and makes everything float outer space so that we can send satellites into orbit and they float above us for our benefits. You see, there will never be an end to the question; "and what led to that..." unless we use our brian to conclude there has to be a designer that is not designed and is completely rational and intelligent. Asking; "and how did the designer come about?" is useless because it sets us back into the question of infinito. So the most logical way out of this question is to conclude there is a designer that is not designed or an uncaused cause. This is because the universe is too complex to have been formed by an irrational entity.
Also I want to ask you, do you believe if there is a God he should have the best knowledge about the universe? I ask you this because the quran says some things about the universe that I will like to bring to your attention. And why did you ignore what I said about the quran in your post?

Kay 17: Good question, I believe arguing for a necessary creator is primitive, because the question on why there is something rather nothing persists at this level. Nothing is struck out since its unproductive and barren to trigger something. As a result everything exists either actually or potential, creative mind isn't necessary to organise ALL since there is already a reality: preexisting container/platform which dictates the organisation of all entities. This accounts for rationality and order in the Universe. Most complexities exist as potential and arise from simpler entities.

Are you saying this "already a reality" was not a "rational or creative mind"?. Ponder on how all the cosmos bodies got positioned in the most perfect way as if they were accurately calculated after the big bang, if the sun had been a little bit away from the earth than it is now, the earth would have been uninhabitable due to excessive cold, if it (the sun) had been a bit closer to the earth than it is now, the earth would have been uninhabitable due to excessive heat. Everything in its perfect orbit.
Do you think a rational entity can come out from an irrational entity?, do you think mankind, a rational and extremely complex being could be from the effect of this "already a reality" which is not a rational or "creative mind"?.
Do you know the quran talk about exactly how the universe came about scientifically?, these claims on the origin of the universe has never been recorded by any book or person before the quran 1400 years ago?

Kay 17: God as most Christians and muslims describe him to be is an irrational construct, he is said to be omnipotent, meaning he can do the ratioanl impossible like create a square circle, create from nothing, create a married bachelor, and other irrational monsters.

He is also given attribute whereby he can do what he is incapable of : supernatural

At the end of the day, irrationality exists, God does.

I don't think everything CAME by chance.

The essence of cause is to explain complexities: cars, the sun, human body, water, it would be a paradox is end up saying lesser complexities are the result of the most complex being imaginable. Besides it contradicts human experience

It is useless trying to lecture you God can do anything while you don't believe there is God. To start with, existing without any creator is enough proof to conclude God can do anything.
You don't believe everything came by chance, so what is your belief about the origin of the universe?
If I get you right are you saying what you designed is supposed to be more complex than you?

Kay 17: If the human brain can't understand what u are talking, what the Bleep are you saying?? Why should the uncaused cause be more complex than its effect??

And you think you are making any sense by concluding there is no God, A claim you cannot substantiate. If you believe everything came into existence by chance, are we supposed to continue to ask in infinito "what is the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause..." Isn't the most logical way out is to conclude there is a cause that is uncaused? Then mankind devoting his studies on how to identify this "uncaused cause"?, then various religions and beliefs be studied and identify which religion/beliefs has the most logical understanding of this "uncaused cause"?.
And tell me why the "uncaused cause" cannot be more complex than its effect?

Sweetnecta: From the Quran, God says He is the Creator of all. So He qualifies Himself as the Best of creators because man when he designs a thing that God has given him, he thinks he has created it, forgetting all that he used; raw materials, designing tools and his knowledge are all from God. It is the same God that all of them will return at sometimes in the future when they all break down; product and human designer.

Allah therefore says He is the Creator of humans and all that man creates.

Is there another creator apart from God? God answers in the Quran that there is no other. He then says that in all the arrogance of man/creations if you will they can not individually or collectively create a fly; housefly. And to make this point clear to all, He says if the housefly takes food from man in all the empty power of man, man can not get it back from the fly. This statement is so profound that I wonder how is it possible that man can not get his food back from a mere house fly that may be unable to lift the grain of cooked rice that it landed on? I later discovered that house fly vomits on the food, dissolving it and suck the dissolved food. The reality is that when the vomit of the house fly touches the meal, it starts a chemical reaction so that the fly can take away the food from man by sucking it up. www.answering-christianity.com/fly_digestive_miracle.htm.

Until man in his boast can prevent himself from dying, if not by aging, definitely by some accident, man is weak. A weak specie that will not know what becomes the future of the earth when he is dead can't say he knows what will happen to him in the grave, after death has overtaking him.

Does dead man feel pain? Only dead can know that just like I a baby in the womb know how those of us on the earth feel or why a little baby in the crib is crying. Those who say there is no God, here is your weakness.

May Allah have mercy on you, I have been banned several times in the thread of Avicenna trying to show the atheists verses of the quran that pinpoint how the universe began.
No religion has the logical answers to ANY question like islam. I have never seen any body who really understands islam abandons it.
Even if we go by logic, if we say the day and night comes because the earth is in an orbit around the sun, then what caused the earth to be in an orbit?, then what caused the cause of the cause of the orbit?,then what caused the cause of the cause of the cause of the orbit?, these question will be asked till eternity. It is completely illogical to continue to ask a question that will never have an end. The most logical stand in this matter is to conclude that there is an "UNCAUSED CAUSE" with absolute force and intelligence from which everything emanated from. This is the most logical and peaceful (peace of mind) stand in this matter. Because the capacity of our brain cannot process such data (at least presently) doesn't mean it doesn't exit, it's like trying to run the most sophisticated program on a calculator. The atheists are a joke!
Salam alaikum sir!

...

Hello,
Every time I try to post on a particular topic on this section I have been banned. It started yesterday night. Why is this hapening?

@op
You have not addressed my questions.

@op, you believe the universe came about through the big bang,you are truly right as this has become a scientific fact, but one thing I want to draw your attention to is that this event (the big bang) that took place in the beginning is rightly recorded in the quran ;"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), BEFORE WE CLOVE THEM ASUNDER? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)" this verse clearly shows that the big bang actually happened. Now points to note is this:
*No book of philosophy or religion has ever alluded to this fact before the quran.
*Prophet Muhammed (saw) was an unlettered man in the desert of arabia, he was neither a scientist nor a philosopher.
*Human kind has not invented any sophisticated scientific device that could enable any body to embark on such a research.
Allow me to ask you if you have any objection to this scientific fact or Any scientific subject at all in the quran? If you do, please state your reason? If you agree to this fact then know that the only one who is capable of such revelation is no other than the supreme being himself (Allah). This is among the various proofs that the supreme being (Allah) exists.

Avicenna: The BiG BANG.
What happened before that cannot be adequately explained and proven......yet. Until the LHC tests it out that is. ( The CERN project)

Do you know Allah talks about the big bang in the quran? please kindly read this article:The Miracle of the Space Fabric -
Mentioned in the Glorious Quran and
confirmed by Science.
The Big Bang Theory and the Cosmic
Crunch in the Noble Quran:
The sections of this article are:
1- The Universe was formed from hot
gaseous in the Noble Quran.
2- The Bible never mentioned
anything about the formation of the
Universe.
3- Articles and links of official web
sites that confirm the Noble Quran's
claims.
4- When the Cosmic Crunch to the
Universe occurs, the Day of
Judgment shall come. Prophet
Muhammad predicted that the Sun will
rise from the West.
1-
The Universe was formed from hot
gaseous in the Noble Quran:
Let us look what Allah Almighty said
about the Universe in the Noble
Quran:
"Moreover He comprehended in
His design the sky, and it had
been (as) smoke: He said to it and
to the earth: 'Come ye together,
willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We
do come (together), in willing
obedience.' So He completed them as
seven firmaments in two Days, and He
assigned to each heaven its duty and
command. And We adorned the lower
heaven with lights, and (provided it)
with guard. Such is the Decree of
(Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of
Knowledge. (The Noble Quran,
41:11-12)"
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the
heavens and the earth were joined
together (as one unit of creation),
before we clove them asunder?
We made from water every living
thing. Will they not then believe? (The
Noble Quran, 21:30)"
The Arabic word for "sky" in Noble
Verse 41:11 above is "samaa", which
is the same word used for "heaven"
and "Universe". Since the 7 heavens
didn't exist yet (because the seven
firmaments or heavens were
mentioned in the next Noble Verse
41:12), then this CLEARLY MAKES the
"samaa" be referring to the Universe,
since the heaven was the entire
Universe when GOD Almighty
"comprehended in His design the sky".
He then later divided it into seven
firmaments or heavens.
Anyway, as we clearly see above in
the Noble Verses, Allah Almighty
initially created the Universe or the
"samaa" with smoke (Dukhan).
Dukhan in Arabic refers to the smoke
coming from fire, which is always HOT
GAS.
A new star forming out of a cloud of
gas and dust (nebula), which is one of
the remnants of the "smoke" that
was the origin of the whole
universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather
and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned
to the heaven when it was smoke...
(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the
Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe
was originated from Dust and Hot Gas,
or Smoke.
Now as to Noble Verse 21:30 above,
according to the Big Bang Theory, the
Universe experienced an unbelievable
explosion from the hot gases that were
forming it, which caused the Universe
(which consisted of the ball of gases)
to split and expand. The Earth was
separated then from the gaseous mass
that was forming the Universe. The
gases according to the scientific
articles below in this article made "the
universe be consisted of compact ball
of hydrogen -- protons, neutrons,
electrons, and their anti-particles --
plus radiation. There were not
differentiated planets, stars, suns,
galaxies. Five billion years ago, the
compact hydrogen soup blasted apart
with huge force, matter was hurled in
all directions, and the universe
doubled in size. This expansion of
the universe is still going
on." [taken from "Ask Yahoo" web site
at http://ask.yahoo.com/
ask/20001027.html
]
It is really interesting to know that the
Big Bang Theory suggests that the
Universe is still expanding until today,
because this is EXACTLY what Allah
Almighty also claimed in the Noble
Quran:
"And the firmament, We constructed
with power and skill and verily We
are expanding it. (The Noble Quran,
51:47)"
Again, the word "samaa" was used for
"firmament". "samaa" as I mentioned
above means either "heaven", or
"Universe" depending on how it is
used. Certainly, the meaning of the
word "samaa" in Noble Verse 51:47 is
"Universe".
Please visit How could Allah create the
world in 6 days if science has proved
that the world and universe took
millions of years to make?
Also, since Allah Almighty didn't have
any names for the explosive gases
(such as hydrogen) 1400 years ago,
He summed them up by calling them
"smoke (dukhan)", which is literally a
hot gas. Smoke is also ball-shaped and
compacted together while it is hot and
in the air. This description perfectly
fits what the big bang theory suggests
from the shape of the "compact ball"
of gases that formed the Universe.
2-
The Bible never mentioned anything
about the formation of the Universe:
No where in the Bible do we see any
mention of the creation of the
Universe. The Bible lacks a great deal
of information about how GOD
Almighty created things.
3-
Articles and links of official web sites
that confirm the Noble Quran's claims:
The following links and article prove
that the Big Bang Theory existed in
the Noble Quran 1400 years ago.
http://www.themodernreligion.com/
verses_sci.htm
http://hepwww.rl.ac.uk/pub/bigbang/
part1.html
This page has "Next" button at the
bottom of it which continues with the
next pages.
http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry//
ask/acosmexp.html
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/
features/news/21nov00.html
http://www.er.doe.gov/feature_
articles_2001/June/Decades/38.html
The following article was taken from
http://ask.yahoo.com/
ask/20001027.html
Note: The underlined in dark green
words prove that the Universe was
originally formed by hot gaseous.
Dear Yahoo!
What exactly is the Big Bang
Theory?
Gigi
Atlanta, Georgia
Dear Gigi:
The Big Bang Theory is
currently the dominant
scientific explanation for the
origin of the universe. It was
first proposed in 1927 by a
Belgian priest named George
Lemaître.
We found a collection of sites
about the Big Bang theory in a
Yahoo! Astrophysics
subcategory called Universal
Origins by searching on "big
bang." This mind-boggling
array of resources proved a
little too scientific, so we tried
to find a simpler place to start.
A fascinating physics study
module called Violence in
the Cosmos provided us with
some Big Bang basics:
Ten to twenty billion years
ago, the universe consisted
of a compact ball of
hydrogen -- protons,
neutrons, electrons, and
their anti-particles -- plus
radiation. There were no
differentiated planets,
stars, suns, galaxies.
Five billion years ago, the
compact hydrogen soup
blasted apart with huge
force, matter was hurled in
all directions, and the
universe doubled in size.
This expansion of the
universe is still going on.
The blast caused a major
decrease in the density and
temperature of the
universe after which no
new particles could be
formed. Then the particle
wars began. Particles and
anti-particles fought it out
in a frenzy of self-
destruction. The universe
was left with a greatly
reduced collection of
positively-charged nuclei
and negatively-charged
electrons in a vast plasma
soup.
Although plasma (ionized
gas) rarely occurs on
Earth's electrically neutral
surface, 99% of the matter
of the Universe still exists
in a plasma state.
The Big Bang produced the
light elements hydrogen
and helium. Heavier
elements are usually
produced in the violent
processes associated with
the death of stars.
Despite later discoveries by
astronomer Edwin Hubble and
Nobel Prize-winning scientists
Arno Penzias and Robert
Wilson that appear to support
Lemaître's theory, the theory
remains controversial and
alternative explanations for the
origin of the universe abound.
The following article was taken
from http://
www.cosmiverse.com/
space122204.html
Big Bang
Theory -
Proof at
Last
December
22, 2000
07:45 CDT
For the first
time, an actual measurement
has been made of the
temperature of the cosmic
microwave background
radiation, at a time when the
Universe was only about 2.5
billion years old. A team of
astronomers from India, France
and ESO achieved this
fundamental and very difficult
observation by obtaining a
detailed spectrum of a quasar
in the distant Universe, using
the UV-Visual Echelle
Spectrograph (UVES)
instrument at the ESO 8.2-m
VLT KUEYEN telescope at the
Paranal Observatory.
Most astrophysicists believe
that the Universe was formed
in what is known as the Big
Bang. If this were true, the
glow of this primeval fireball
should have been warmer in
the past - which is exactly what
they found by the new
measurements.
According to a recent press
release by the European
Southern Observatory: This
analysis of the VLT spectrum of
the distant quasar not only
gives the definitive proof of the
presence of the relict radiation
in the early Universe, it also
shows that it was indeed
significantly warmer than it is
today, as predicted by the
theory.
American physicists Arno A.
Penzias and Robert W. Wilson,
who were rewarded with the
Nobel Prize in 1978,
discovered the primeval
fireball's relict radiation. Their
discovery was made in 1964
by means of radio
observations. Precision
measurements by the COBE
satellite later showed that this
ancient radiation fills the
Universe, with a present-day
temperature of slightly less
than 3 degrees above zero.
This radiation comes from all
directions, yet it is extremely
uniform. Slight temperature
variations in different
directions have been
measured most recently by
means of detailed observations
from a balloon above
Antarctica (the Boomerang
experiment).
Since the universe is
expanding, it must have been
denser in the past. A particular
prediction of the Big Bang
theory is also that the
temperature of the CMBR must
have been higher at earlier
times. However, although quite
a few attempts have been
made, no clear observational
confirmation of this has been
possible so far. In fact, the best
observations until now have
only been able to establish
upper limits to the cosmic
temperature at earlier epochs.
It was actually suggested more
than 30 years ago that
observing specific absorption
lines in the spectra of distant
quasars could test the
predicted increase of
temperature with distance
(redshift).
The idea is simply that at
earlier epochs, the CMBR was
hot enough to excite certain
atomic levels, and thus to give
rise to particular absorption
lines in the spectrum of a
celestial object.
Some faint
absorption
lines of
neutral
carbon
atoms were found to be
especially promising, in the
sense that they were predicted
to be very sensitive to the
surrounding temperature.
However, previous generations
of (smaller) astronomical
telescopes were unable to
achieve spectra of sufficient
quality of these faint
absorption lines in faint and
remote objects in the early
(more distant) Universe.
The advent of 8-m class
telescopes has now changed
this situation. A few years ago,
the 10-m Keck telescope
(Mauna Kea, Hawaii, USA)
obtained a spectrum of a
quasar that was sufficiently
detailed to determine an upper
limit to the temperature of the
CMBR at the corresponding
epoch, about 3.4 billion years
after the Big Bang.
However, a major difficulty of
such observations is the
necessity to exclude other
sources of excitation (heating).
It is well known that some
other physical processes may
also affect the observed
absorption lines, such as
collisions between the atoms
and heating by the ultraviolet
light emitted by young and hot
stars.
The main problem is therefore
to disentangle the various
effects in order to "isolate" that
of the CMBR. This can only be
achieved by means of
exceptionally "clean" and
detailed spectra of these faint
objects, a demanding task. For
that reason all previous
measurements have only led
to upper limits on the CMBR
temperature.
The new VLT spectrum of the
quasar PKS 1232+0815
provides the long hoped-for
break-through in this
important area of cosmological
research.
On its way to us, the light from
this distant object is absorbed
by intervening material,
among other by a gaseous
cloud in a galaxy at high
redshift (z = 2.34). This
distance corresponds to a
cosmic time when the Universe
was less than one fifth of its
present age.
Another detailed analysis
allowed the determination of
the physical conditions in the
cloud - the presence of
molecular hydrogen lines was
crucial for this to succeed. It
clearly showed that the
excitation process of atomic
collisions couldn't be solely
responsible for the shape and
strength of the observed
absorption lines. An additional
source of heat must be present
and this can only be the
heating by the CMBR.
Moreover, it was possible to
place constraints on the effect
of other possible excitation
processes. This made it
possible for the astronomers to
derive the temperature T of the
CMBR at this large distance
and early cosmic epoch and to
place a very firm lower limit on
this temperature. The final
result is that T is hotter than 6
K and cooler than 14 K; this is
in full agreement with the Big
Bang prediction of T = 9 K.
This is thus the first real proof
that the CMBR was indeed
warmer in the past.
Source: Press Release
4-
When the Cosmic Crunch to the
Universe occurs, the Day of Judgment
shall come:
Please also visit: The Miracle of the
Space Fabric - Mentioned in the
Glorious Quran and confirmed by
Science.
Let us look at what Allah Almighty said
about the "Cosmic Crunch" Theory:
ﻳﻮﻡ ﻧﻄﻮﻱ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﺎﺀ ﻛﻄﻲ ﺍﻟﺴﺠﻞ ﻟﻠﻜﺘﺐ
ﻛﻤﺎ ﺑﺪﺃﻧﺎ ﺃﻭﻝ ﺧﻠﻖ ﻧﻌﻴﺪﻩ ﻭﻋﺪﺍ ﻋﻠﻴﻨﺎ ﺇﻧﺎ ﻛﻨﺎ
ﻓﻌﻠﻴﻦ
"The Day that We roll up the
heavens like a scroll rolled up for
books (completed),- even as We
produced the first creation, so shall
We produce a new one: a promise We
have undertaken: truly shall We fulfill
it. (The Noble Quran, 21:104)"
Notice here how Allah Almighty Said
that He will ROLL BACK the heavens
like a scroll rolled up.
NASA's discovery only 8
years ago!
The following link and quote
were sent to me by brother
Usman; may Allah Almighty
always be pleased with him.
"The simplest version of the
inflationary theory, an
extension of the Big Bang
theory, predicts that the
density of the universe is very
close to the critical density,
and that the geometry of
the universe is flat, like a
sheet of paper. That is the
result confirmed by the WMAP
science." (http://
map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/
uni_shape.html
)
They have discovered only 8
years ago; that the Universe is
flat! The best way the NASA
scientists could describe the
Universe is "like a sheet of
paper," which Allah Almighty
has already described 1,400
years ago to a goat herder and
illiterate Bedouin and Shepard,
our beloved and blessed
Prophet Muhammad, Peace,
Mercy and Blessings be upon
him. Ameen.
From: Ozee JR <usmantech@
hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: A New Miracle of
Quran subhanAllah, Not yet
found by anyone - NOT A
Useless email inshAllah Trust
me. - NASA/TIME/BBC
To: quransearchcom@
yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009,
8:31 AM
As'salamu Alaikum dear
brother Osama,
You are the first one I am
telling, besides my brother,
This miracle I have not found
documented anywhere and
Science found this about 8
years ago only !!!!!!!
Confirmed By NASA and the
links I will give you will be
NASA/TIME/BBC
( 21:104) -
The Day that we roll up the
heavens like a scroll rolled up
for books (completed)
1. Allah is comparing the
Universe to a Scroll of Paper,
1400 years ago. And see what
the best scientists in the world
at NASA found out in the 21st
CENTURY !!!! 2001 !!!
"and that the geometry of the
universe is flat, like a sheet of
paper" - NASA
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/
universe/uni_shape.html
They have found out only 8
years ago that Universe is flat
and the best way NASA
scentist use to describe to a
layman is like a sheet of
paper , Allah describes the
universe as a scroll 1400 years
ago !!! Who can know
something that scentist were
only able to find out 8 years
ago ?? Arab goat herders ? or
the One who has first hand
knowledge of it ? The Creater
Allah that Abraham , Moses,
Jesus, Mohammed prayed to ?
THIS IS NOT A THEORY
From the same NASA Page:
"That is the result confirmed
by the WMAP science.
Measurements from WMAP
The WMAP spacecraft can
measure the basic parameters
of the Big Bang theory
including the geometry of the
universe. If the universe were
open, the brightest microwave
background fluctuations
(or "spots" would be about
half a degree across. If the
universe were flat, the spots
would be about 1 degree
across. While if the universe
were closed, the brightest
spots would be about 1.5
degrees across.
Recent measurements (c.
2001) by a number of ground-
based and balloon-based
experiments, including MAT/
TOCO, Boomerang, Maxima,
and DASI, have shown that the
brightest spots are about 1
degree across. Thus the
universe was known to be flat
to within about 15% accuracy
prior to the WMAP results.
WMAP has confirmed this
result with very high accuracy
and precision. We now know
that the universe is flat with
only a 2% margin of error."
Also:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/
tech/727073.stm
http://www.time.com/time/
covers/1101010625/story.html
2. Yun Wang1
, Jan Michael Kratochvil
, Andrei Linde2
, and Marina Shmakova3
Department of Physics &
Astronomy,
Univ. of Oklahoma
Have written a detailed
scientific paper on end of
Universe:
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-
ph/0409264
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/
astro-ph/
pdf/0409/0409264v2.pdf
Abstract
In a broad class of dark energy
models, the universe may
collapse within a finite time tc.
Here
we study a representative
model of dark energy with a
linear potential, V (φ) = V0(1 +
αφ). This
model is the simplest
doomsday model, in which the
universe collapses rather
quickly after it stops
expanding. Observational data
from type Ia supernovae (SNe
Ia), cosmic microwave
background
anisotropy (CMB), and large
scale structure (LSS) are
complementary in constraining
dark energy
models. Using the new SN Ia
data (Riess sample), the CMB
data from WMAP, and the LSS
data
from 2dF, we find that the
collapse time of the universe is
tc > ∼ 42 (24) gigayears from
today at 68%
(95%) confidence.
PACS numbers: 98.80.Cq,
11.25.-w, 04.65.+e
Allah likens the end of universe
roll up the heavens like a scroll
rolled up for books ,
a scroll takes a long time to
write (relatively) and once
written it is rolled up very very
quickly (relatively). This is
what
these sceintists have found out
in 2008 !!! I will not go into this
too much as this is too
complicated a topic for me and
should be
taken as something of interest.
also on expansion
Allahsays in the Holy Quran
what means " And it is We
Who have constructed the
heaven with might, and
verily, it is We Who are
steadily expanding it.
(Qur'an, 51:47)
And also Allah uses the word
we have constructed the
heaven with might, as we all
know scientifically no citation
required that heaven was
created with incredible energy
and force, an imposter god/
holy book would have used the
words we constructed the
heavens with ease, no problem
for any god, easy job, i dont
need might I am God. But Allah
describes that massive energy
was required for the creation of
the Earth.
I think I am going to revisit
each and ever miracle and
reanalyze them
Please reply if you find this
useful and any comments
where I might have gone
wrong or misunderstood
something.
Allah Hafiz
Usman
The following article http://
www.bigear.org/vol1no4/wheeler.htm
, which contains an interview with a
Scientist, Professor John Archibald
Wheeler, who was a colleague of
Albert Einstein, explains the Noble
Verse above in good details.
Important Note: Before we go into
the article, it is important to know that
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon
him had also talked about the "Cosmic
Crunch" Theory by predicting that the
Sun around the time of the Cosmic
Crunch's occurrence would rise from
the West and set in the East due to a
change in our orbit's rotation. Who
knows, perhaps the "Cosmic Crunch"
would cause the Earth to flip upside
down, which would cause the sun to
rise from the West and set in the East,
or perhaps it would change the
rotation of the sun and its planets all
together:
Narrated Abu Dhar: "The Prophet
asked me at sunset, 'Do you know
where the sun goes (at the time of
sunset)?' I replied, 'Allah and His
Apostle know better.' He said, 'It goes
(i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself
underneath the Throne and takes the
permission to rise again, and it is
permitted and then (a time will come
when) it will be about to prostrate
itself but its prostration will not be
accepted, and it will ask permission to
go on its course but it will not be
permitted, but it will be ordered to
return whence it has come and so
it will rise in the west. And that is
the interpretation of the Statement of
Allah: 'And the sun Runs its fixed
course For a term (decreed). that is
The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in
Might, The All-Knowing.' (36.38)
(Translation of Sahih Bukhari,
Beginning of Creation, Volume 4, Book
54, Number 421) "
Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle
said, 'The Hour will not be
established.......The Miracle of the Space Fabric -
Mentioned in the Glorious Quran and
confirmed by Science.
The Big Bang Theory and the Cosmic
Crunch in the Noble Quran:
The sections of this article are:
1- The Universe was formed from hot
gaseous in the Noble Quran.
2- The Bible never mentioned
anything about the formation of the
Universe.
3- Articles and links of official web
sites that confirm the Noble Quran's
claims.
4- When the Cosmic Crunch to the
Universe occurs, the Day of
Judgment shall come. Prophet
Muhammad predicted that the Sun will
rise from the West.
1-
The Universe was formed from hot
gaseous in the Noble Quran:
Let us look what Allah Almighty said
about the Universe in the Noble
Quran:
"Moreover He comprehended in
His design the sky, and it had
been (as) smoke: He said to it and
to the earth: 'Come ye together,
willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We
do come (together), in willing
obedience.' So He completed them as
seven firmaments in two Days, and He
assigned to each heaven its duty and
command. And We adorned the lower
heaven with lights, and (provided it)
with guard. Such is the Decree of
(Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of
Knowledge. (The Noble Quran,
41:11-12)"
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the
heavens and the earth were joined
together (as one unit of creation),
before we clove them asunder?
We made from water every living
thing. Will they not then believe? (The
Noble Quran, 21:30)"
The Arabic word for "sky" in Noble
Verse 41:11 above is "samaa", which
is the same word used for "heaven"
and "Universe". Since the 7 heavens
didn't exist yet (because the seven
firmaments or heavens were
mentioned in the next Noble Verse
41:12), then this CLEARLY MAKES the
"samaa" be referring to the Universe,
since the heaven was the entire
Universe when GOD Almighty
"comprehended in His design the sky".
He then later divided it into seven
firmaments or heavens.
Anyway, as we clearly see above in
the Noble Verses, Allah Almighty
initially created the Universe or the
"samaa" with smoke (Dukhan).
Dukhan in Arabic refers to the smoke
coming from fire, which is always HOT
GAS.
A new star forming out of a cloud of
gas and dust (nebula), which is one of
the remnants of the "smoke" that
was the origin of the whole
universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather
and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned
to the heaven when it was smoke...
(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the
Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe
was originated from Dust and Hot Gas,
or Smoke.
Now as to Noble Verse 21:30 above,
according to the Big Bang Theory, the
Universe experienced an unbelievable
explosion from the hot gases that were
forming it, which caused the Universe
(which consisted of the ball of gases)
to split and expand. The Earth was
separated then from the gaseous mass
that was forming the Universe. The
gases according to the scientific
articles below in this article made "the
universe be consisted of compact ball
of hydrogen -- protons, neutrons,
electrons, and their anti-particles --
plus radiation. There were not
differentiated planets, stars, suns,
galaxies. Five billion years ago, the
compact hydrogen soup blasted apart
with huge force, matter was hurled in
all directions, and the universe
doubled in size. This expansion of
the universe is still going
on." [taken from "Ask Yahoo" web site
at http://ask.yahoo.com/
ask/20001027.html
]
It is really interesting to know that the
Big Bang Theory suggests that the
Universe is still expanding until today,
because this is EXACTLY what Allah
Almighty also claimed in the Noble
Quran:
"And the firmament, We constructed
with power and skill and verily We
are expanding it. (The Noble Quran,
51:47)"
Again, the word "samaa" was used for
"firmament". "samaa" as I mentioned
above means either "heaven", or
"Universe" depending on how it is
used. Certainly, the meaning of the
word "samaa" in Noble Verse 51:47 is
"Universe".
Please visit How could Allah create the
world in 6 days if science has proved
that the world and universe took
millions of years to make?
Also, since Allah Almighty didn't have
any names for the explosive gases
(such as hydrogen) 1400 years ago,
He summed them up by calling them
"smoke (dukhan)", which is literally a
hot gas. Smoke is also ball-shaped and
compacted together while it is hot and
in the air. This description perfectly
fits what the big bang theory suggests
from the shape of the "compact ball"
of gases that formed the Universe.
2-
The Bible never mentioned anything
about the formation of the Universe:
No where in the Bible do we see any
mention of the creation of the
Universe. The Bible lacks a great deal
of information about how GOD
Almighty created things.
3-
Articles and links of official web sites
that confirm the Noble Quran's claims:
The following links and article prove
that the Big Bang Theory existed in
the Noble Quran 1400 years ago.
http://www.themodernreligion.com/
verses_sci.htm
http://hepwww.rl.ac.uk/pub/bigbang/
part1.html
This page has "Next" button at the
bottom of it which continues with the
next pages.
http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry//
ask/acosmexp.html
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/
features/news/21nov00.html
http://www.er.doe.gov/feature_
articles_2001/June/Decades/38.html
The following article was taken from
http://ask.yahoo.com/
ask/20001027.html
Note: The underlined in dark green
words prove that the Universe was
originally formed by hot gaseous.
Dear Yahoo!
What exactly is the Big Bang
Theory?
Gigi
Atlanta, Georgia
Dear Gigi:
The Big Bang Theory is
currently the dominant
scientific explanation for the
origin of the universe. It was
first proposed in 1927 by a
Belgian priest named George
Lemaître.
We found a collection of sites
about the Big Bang theory in a
Yahoo! Astrophysics
subcategory called Universal
Origins by searching on "big
bang." This mind-boggling
array of resources proved a
little too scientific, so we tried
to find a simpler place to start.
A fascinating physics study
module called Violence in
the Cosmos provided us with
some Big Bang basics:
Ten to twenty billion years
ago, the universe consisted
of a compact ball of
hydrogen -- protons,
neutrons, electrons, and
their anti-particles -- plus
radiation. There were no
differentiated planets,
stars, suns, galaxies.
Five billion years ago, the
compact hydrogen soup
blasted apart with huge
force, matter was hurled in
all directions, and the
universe doubled in size.
This expansion of the
universe is still going on.
The blast caused a major
decrease in the density and
temperature of the
universe after which no
new particles could be
formed. Then the particle
wars began. Particles and
anti-particles fought it out
in a frenzy of self-
destruction. The universe
was left with a greatly
reduced collection of
positively-charged nuclei
and negatively-charged
electrons in a vast plasma
soup.
Although plasma (ionized
gas) rarely occurs on
Earth's electrically neutral
surface, 99% of the matter
of the Universe still exists
in a plasma state.
The Big Bang produced the
light elements hydrogen
and helium. Heavier
elements are usually
produced in the violent
processes associated with
the death of stars.
Despite later discoveries by
astronomer Edwin Hubble and
Nobel Prize-winning scientists
Arno Penzias and Robert
Wilson that appear to support
Lemaître's theory, the theory
remains controversial and
alternative explanations for the
origin of the universe abound.
The following article was taken
from http://
www.cosmiverse.com/
space122204.html
Big Bang
Theory -
Proof at
Last
December
22, 2000
07:45 CDT
For the first
time, an actual measurement
has been made of the
temperature of the cosmic
microwave background
radiation, at a time when the
Universe was only about 2.5
billion years old. A team of
astronomers from India, France
and ESO achieved this
fundamental and very difficult
observation by obtaining a
detailed spectrum of a quasar
in the distant Universe, using
the UV-Visual Echelle
Spectrograph (UVES)
instrument at the ESO 8.2-m
VLT KUEYEN telescope at the
Paranal Observatory.
Most astrophysicists believe
that the Universe was formed
in what is known as the Big
Bang. If this were true, the
glow of this primeval fireball
should have been warmer in
the past - which is exactly what
they found by the new
measurements.
According to a recent press
release by the European
Southern Observatory: This
analysis of the VLT spectrum of
the distant quasar not only
gives the definitive proof of the
presence of the relict radiation
in the early Universe, it also
shows that it was indeed
significantly warmer than it is
today, as predicted by the
theory.
American physicists Arno A.
Penzias and Robert W. Wilson,
who were rewarded with the
Nobel Prize in 1978,
discovered the primeval
fireball's relict radiation. Their
discovery was made in 1964
by means of radio
observations. Precision
measurements by the COBE
satellite later showed that this
ancient radiation fills the
Universe, with a present-day
temperature of slightly less
than 3 degrees above zero.
This radiation comes from all
directions, yet it is extremely
uniform. Slight temperature
variations in different
directions have been
measured most recently by
means of detailed observations
from a balloon above
Antarctica (the Boomerang
experiment).
Since the universe is
expanding, it must have been
denser in the past. A particular
prediction of the Big Bang
theory is also that the
temperature of the CMBR must
have been higher at earlier
times. However, although quite
a few attempts have been
made, no clear observational
confirmation of this has been
possible so far. In fact, the best
observations until now have
only been able to establish
upper limits to the cosmic
temperature at earlier epochs.
It was actually suggested more
than 30 years ago that
observing specific absorption
lines in the spectra of distant
quasars could test the
predicted increase of
temperature with distance
(redshift).
The idea is simply that at
earlier epochs, the CMBR was
hot enough to excite certain
atomic levels, and thus to give
rise to particular absorption
lines in the spectrum of a
celestial object.
Some faint
absorption
lines of
neutral
carbon
atoms were found to be
especially promising, in the
sense that they were predicted
to be very sensitive to the
surrounding temperature.
However, previous generations
of (smaller) astronomical
telescopes were unable to
achieve spectra of sufficient
quality of these faint
absorption lines in faint and
remote objects in the early
(more distant) Universe.
The advent of 8-m class
telescopes has now changed
this situation. A few years ago,
the 10-m Keck telescope
(Mauna Kea, Hawaii, USA)
obtained a spectrum of a
quasar that was sufficiently
detailed to determine an upper
limit to the temperature of the
CMBR at the corresponding
epoch, about 3.4 billion years
after the Big Bang.
However, a major difficulty of
such observations is the
necessity to exclude other
sources of excitation (heating).
It is well known that some
other physical processes may
also affect the observed
absorption lines, such as
collisions between the atoms
and heating by the ultraviolet
light emitted by young and hot
stars.
The main problem is therefore
to disentangle the various
effects in order to "isolate" that
of the CMBR. This can only be
achieved by means of
exceptionally "clean" and
detailed spectra of these faint
objects, a demanding task. For
that reason all previous
measurements have only led
to upper limits on the CMBR
temperature.
The new VLT spectrum of the
quasar PKS 1232+0815
provides the long hoped-for
break-through in this
important area of cosmological
research.
On its way to us, the light from
this distant object is absorbed
by intervening material,
among other by a gaseous
cloud in a galaxy at high
redshift (z = 2.34). This
distance corresponds to a
cosmic time when the Universe
was less than one fifth of its
present age.
Another detailed analysis
allowed the determination of
the physical conditions in the
cloud - the presence of
molecular hydrogen lines was
crucial for this to succeed. It
clearly showed that the
excitation process of atomic
collisions couldn't be solely
responsible for the shape and
strength of the observed
absorption lines. An additional
source of heat must be present
and this can only be the
heating by the CMBR.
Moreover, it was possible to
place constraints on the effect
of other possible excitation
processes. This made it
possible for the astronomers to
derive the temperature T of the
CMBR at this large distance
and early cosmic epoch and to
place a very firm lower limit on
this temperature. The final
result is that T is hotter than 6
K and cooler than 14 K; this is
in full agreement with the Big
Bang prediction of T = 9 K.
This is thus the first real proof
that the CMBR was indeed
warmer in the past.
Source: Press Release
4-
When the Cosmic Crunch to the
Universe occurs, the Day of Judgment
shall come:
Please also visit: The Miracle of the
Space Fabric - Mentioned in the
Glorious Quran and confirmed by
Science.
Let us look at what Allah Almighty said
about the "Cosmic Crunch" Theory:
ﻳﻮﻡ ﻧﻄﻮﻱ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﺎﺀ ﻛﻄﻲ ﺍﻟﺴﺠﻞ ﻟﻠﻜﺘﺐ
ﻛﻤﺎ ﺑﺪﺃﻧﺎ ﺃﻭﻝ ﺧﻠﻖ ﻧﻌﻴﺪﻩ ﻭﻋﺪﺍ ﻋﻠﻴﻨﺎ ﺇﻧﺎ ﻛﻨﺎ
ﻓﻌﻠﻴﻦ
"The Day that We roll up the
heavens like a scroll rolled up for
books (completed),- even as We
produced the first creation, so shall
We produce a new one: a promise We
have undertaken: truly shall We fulfill
it. (The Noble Quran, 21:104)"
Notice here how Allah Almighty Said
that He will ROLL BACK the heavens
like a scroll rolled up.
NASA's discovery only 8
years ago!
The following link and quote
were sent to me by brother
Usman; may Allah Almighty
always be pleased with him.
"The simplest version of the
inflationary theory, an
extension of the Big Bang
theory, predicts that the
density of the universe is very
close to the critical density,
and that the geometry of
the universe is flat, like a
sheet of paper. That is the
result confirmed by the WMAP
science." (http://
map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/
uni_shape.html
)
They have discovered only 8
years ago; that the Universe is
flat! The best way the NASA
scientists could describe the
Universe is "like a sheet of
paper," which Allah Almighty
has already described 1,400
years ago to a goat herder and
illiterate Bedouin and Shepard,
our beloved and blessed
Prophet Muhammad, Peace,
Mercy and Blessings be upon
him. Ameen.
From: Ozee JR <usmantech@
hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: A New Miracle of
Quran subhanAllah, Not yet
found by anyone - NOT A
Useless email inshAllah Trust
me. - NASA/TIME/BBC
To: quransearchcom@
yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009,
8:31 AM
As'salamu Alaikum dear
brother Osama,
You are the first one I am
telling, besides my brother,
This miracle I have not found
documented anywhere and
Science found this about 8
years ago only !!!!!!!
Confirmed By NASA and the
links I will give you will be
NASA/TIME/BBC
( 21:104) -
The Day that we roll up the
heavens like a scroll rolled up
for books (completed)
1. Allah is comparing the
Universe to a Scroll of Paper,
1400 years ago. And see what
the best scientists in the world
at NASA found out in the 21st
CENTURY !!!! 2001 !!!
"and that the geometry of the
universe is flat, like a sheet of
paper" - NASA
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/
universe/uni_shape.html
They have found out only 8
years ago that Universe is flat
and the best way NASA
scentist use to describe to a
layman is like a sheet of
paper , Allah describes the
universe as a scroll 1400 years
ago !!! Who can know
something that scentist were
only able to find out 8 years
ago ?? Arab goat herders ? or
the One who has first hand
knowledge of it ? The Creater
Allah that Abraham , Moses,
Jesus, Mohammed prayed to ?
THIS IS NOT A THEORY
From the same NASA Page:
"That is the result confirmed
by the WMAP science.
Measurements from WMAP
The WMAP spacecraft can
measure the basic parameters
of the Big Bang theory
including the geometry of the
universe. If the universe were
open, the brightest microwave
background fluctuations
(or "spots" would be about
half a degree across. If the
universe were flat, the spots
would be about 1 degree
across. While if the universe
were closed, the brightest
spots would be about 1.5
degrees across.
Recent measurements (c.
2001) by a number of ground-
based and balloon-based
experiments, including MAT/
TOCO, Boomerang, Maxima,
and DASI, have shown that the
brightest spots are about 1
degree across. Thus the
universe was known to be flat
to within about 15% accuracy
prior to the WMAP results.
WMAP has confirmed this
result with very high accuracy
and precision. We now know
that the universe is flat with
only a 2% margin of error."
Also:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/
tech/727073.stm
http://www.time.com/time/
covers/1101010625/story.html
2. Yun Wang1
, Jan Michael Kratochvil
, Andrei Linde2
, and Marina Shmakova3
Department of Physics &
Astronomy,
Univ. of Oklahoma
Have written a detailed
scientific paper on end of
Universe:
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-
ph/0409264
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/
astro-ph/
pdf/0409/0409264v2.pdf
Abstract
In a broad class of dark energy
models, the universe may
collapse within a finite time tc.
Here
we study a representative
model of dark energy with a
linear potential, V (φ) = V0(1 +
αφ). This
model is the simplest
doomsday model, in which the
universe collapses rather
quickly after it stops
expanding. Observational data
from type Ia supernovae (SNe
Ia), cosmic microwave
background
anisotropy (CMB), and large
scale structure (LSS) are
complementary in constraining
dark energy
models. Using the new SN Ia
data (Riess sample), the CMB
data from WMAP, and the LSS
data
from 2dF, we find that the
collapse time of the universe is
tc > ∼ 42 (24) gigayears from
today at 68%
(95%) confidence.
PACS numbers: 98.80.Cq,
11.25.-w, 04.65.+e
Allah likens the end of universe
roll up the heavens like a scroll
rolled up for books ,
a scroll takes a long time to
write (relatively) and once
written it is rolled up very very
quickly (relatively). This is
what
these sceintists have found out
in 2008 !!! I will not go into this
too much as this is too
complicated a topic for me and
should be
taken as something of interest.
also on expansion
Allahsays in the Holy Quran
what means " And it is We
Who have constructed the
heaven with might, and
verily, it is We Who are
steadily expanding it.
(Qur'an, 51:47)
And also Allah uses the word
we have constructed the
heaven with might, as we all
know scientifically no citation
required that heaven was
created with incredible energy
and force, an imposter god/
holy book would have used the
words we constructed the
heavens with ease, no problem
for any god, easy job, i dont
need might I am God. But Allah
describes that massive energy
was required for the creation of
the Earth.
I think I am going to revisit
each and ever miracle and
reanalyze them
Please reply if you find this
useful and any comments
where I might have gone
wrong or misunderstood
something.
Allah Hafiz
Usman
The following article http://
www.bigear.org/vol1no4/wheeler.htm
, which contains an interview with a
Scientist, Professor John Archibald
Wheeler, who was a colleague of
Albert Einstein, explains the Noble
Verse above in good details.
Important Note: Before we go into
the article, it is important to know that
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon
him had also talked about the "Cosmic
Crunch" Theory by predicting that the
Sun around the time of the Cosmic
Crunch's occurrence would rise from
the West and set in the East due to a
change in our orbit's rotation. Who
knows, perhaps the "Cosmic Crunch"
would cause the Earth to flip upside
down, which would cause the sun to
rise from the West and set in the East,
or perhaps it would change the
rotation of the sun and its planets all
together:
Narrated Abu Dhar: "The Prophet
asked me at sunset, 'Do you know
where the sun goes (at the time of
sunset)?' I replied, 'Allah and His
Apostle know better.' He said, 'It goes
(i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself
underneath the Throne and takes the
permission to rise again, and it is
permitted and then (a time will come
when) it will be about to prostrate
itself but its prostration will not be
accepted, and it will ask permission to
go on its course but it will not be
permitted, but it will be ordered to
return whence it has come and so
it will rise in the west. And that is
the interpretation of the Statement of
Allah: 'And the sun Runs its fixed
course For a term (decreed). that is
The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in
Might, The All-Knowing.' (36.38)
(Translation of Sahih Bukhari,
Beginning of Creation, Volume 4, Book
54, Number 421) "
Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle
said, 'The Hour will not be
established........ and till the sun
rises from the West. So when the
sun will rise and the people will
see it (rising from the West) they
will all believe (embrace Islam)
but that will be the time when:
(As Allah said,) 'No good will it do
to a soul to believe then, if it
believed not before, nor earned
good (by deeds of righteousness)
through its Faith.' (6.158) And the
Hour will be established while two
men spreading a garment in front of
them but they will not be able to sell
it, nor fold it up; and the Hour will be
established when a man has milked
his she-camel and has taken away the
milk but he will not be able to drink it;
and the Hour will be established
before a man repairing a tank (for his
livestock) is able to water (his
animals) in it; and the Hour will be
established when a person has raised
a morsel (of food) to his mouth but will
not be able to eat it.' (Translation of
Sahih Bukhari, Afflictions and the End
of the World, Volume 9, Book 88,
Number 237) "
"The Day ye shall see it, every mother
giving suck shall forget her suckling-
babe, and every pregnant female shall
drop her load (unformed): thou shalt
see mankind as in a drunken riot, yet
not drunk: but dreadful will be the
Wrath of God. (The Noble Quran,
22:2)"
Is it possible for the sun to rise
from the West and for the moon to
be swallowed by the sun relatively
quickly?
See what Western Scientists say
about this.
Continuing with the article......
Cosmic Search Vol. 1 No. 4
FORUM: John A. Wheeler
From the Big Bang to the Big
Crunch
Scientist-philosopher, teacher-
cosmologist, father of the Black Hole,
Wheeler's thoughts encompass the
entire cosmos from the Big Bang to
the Big Crunch.
This exclusive interview with John A.
Wheeler was made by Mirjana R.
Gearhart of COSMIC SEARCH.
COSMIC SEARCH: You have often
commented that the greatest
discoveries of science are yet to come.
What do you have in mind?
Wheeler: To me, the greatest
discovery yet to come will be to find
how this universe, coming into being
from a Big Bang, developed its laws of
operation. I call this "Law without Law"
[Or "Order from Disorder"].
COSMIC SEARCH: Could you explain
further?
Wheeler: One of the biggest
problems is how to state the problem.
It's an old saying that the minute you
can state a problem correctly you
understand 90 percent of the problem.
One of the greatest problems concerns
the meaning of measurement or
observation. According to quantum
theory, measurements can influence
what happens. The fact that it is
difficult to talk about this problem in
an easy way suggests that we have
much to learn.
This is a partial response to your
question. Putting it another way:
How can we possibly imagine the
universe with all its regularities and its
laws coming into being out of
something utterly helter-skelter,
higgledy-piggledy and random?
Or, in still another form:
If you were the Lord constructing the
universe, how would you have gone
about it?
COSMIC SEARCH: That certainly is a
very deep question.
Wheeler: It's inspiring to read the life
of Charles Darwin and think how the
division of plant and animal kingdoms,
all this myriad of order, came about
through the miracles of evolution,
natural selection and chance
mutation. To me this is a marvelous
indication that you can get order by
starting with disorder.
COSMIC SEARCH: Do you think there
can be any progress on this problem?
Wheeler: One of the conditions, I
think, for advance in this field, as in
any field, is believing that advance is
possible. What I hope I'm creating is a
sense of faith that it can be done. Faith
is the number one element. It isn't
something that spreads itself
uniformly. Faith is concentrated in a
few people at particular times and
places. If you can involve young
people in an atmosphere of hope and
faith, then I think they'll figure out how
to get the answer. Faith and hope are
absolutely central to everything one
does.
You need people who have
imagination, daring and the ability to
get somewhere. That, to me, is the
way research works.
Of course another point to all of this is
to keep in touch with key ideas, with
what people are doing. Make sure you
aren't overlooking something. Here's
where it's so important to talk with the
young people. Some modest young
person comes along with some idea no
one else is paying any attention to. His
idea may just be the central point.
I'm very fortunate that at Austin, the
University of Texas has been willing to
finance this kind of work, bringing in
two or three people each year for a
period of time. So, we'll see what
happens.
COSMIC SEARCH: You were a
colleague of Albert Einstein. We are
celebrating the 100th anniversary of
his birth this year. When did you first
meet him?
Wheeler: October 1933, the month
he took up permanent residence in the
U.S. was my first meeting with
Einstein. Then in 1953, when I first
started to teach relativity at Princeton,
he was kind enough to invite me to
bring my students around to his house
for discussions. So, we sat around the
dining room table and his secretary,
Helen Dukas, and his stepdaughter,
Margot, brought tea and the students
asked him questions.
COSMIC SEARCH: Are there some
tenets of his that stand out in your
mind?
Wheeler: Yes, his work revolved
around three rules which apply to all
science, our problems, and times:
1. Out of clutter, find simplicity;
2. From discord make harmony;
and finally
3. In the middle of difficulty lies
opportunity.
COSMIC SEARCH: You began your
work in relativity about that time
then?
Albert Einstein, Hidekei Yukawa
and John A. Wheeler at Princeton
in 1954. Yukawa received the
Nobel prize in physics in 1949.
Wheeler: Yes, it was about the period
1952-53-54-55, Einstein's last four
years, when l was just getting into
relativity. The thing that really got me
into it more than anything else was
this concern about what happens to a
cloud of matter when it collapses.
What's the final state?
I had not yet invented the term "black
hole". I hadn't yet realized how
important it was to attach a name to
this concept.
COSMIC SEARCH: How did you come
up with the name "black hole"?
Wheeler: It was an act of desperation,
to force people to believe in it. It was
in 1968, at the time of the discussion
of whether pulsars were related to
neutron stars or to these completely
collapsed objects. I wanted a way of
emphasizing that these objects were
real. Thus, the name "black hole".
Diagrammatic representation of a
black hole suggesting how space
is curved or warped by its
enormous gravitational pull. All
details of infalling material are
wiped out in the black hole, only
the net mass, charge and angular
momentum remaining. A black
hole is the ultimate trash
compactor.
The Russians used the term frozen star
-- their point of attention was how it
looked from the outside, where the
material moves much more slowly
until it comes to a horizon. [Or critical
distance. From inside this distance
there is no escape.] But, from the
point of view of someone who's on the
material itself, falling in, there's
nothing special about the horizon. He
keeps on going in. There's nothing
frozen about what happens to him. So,
I felt that that aspect of it needed
more emphasis.
COSMIC SEARCH: A few years ago
you asked the question: "Are life and
mind irrelevant to the structure of the
universe, or are they central to it?"
Have you found an answer?
Wheeler: No, I'm one of the most
baffled men in the world on this
subject. There is a line of investigation
involving the anthropic (or man-
related) principle -- the idea that the
universe has to be much as it is or life
would be impossible. Not only life as
we know it, but any life at all would be
impossible. On what else can a
comprehensible universe be built but
the demand for comprehensibility?
My Princeton colleague, Robert Dicke,
expressed it this way:
What good is a universe without
somebody around to look at it?
That, to be sure, was an old idea,
going back not only to the Bishop
Berkeley of the time of Newton, but all
the way back to Parmenides, the
precursor of Socrates and Plato.
But it was new in the form that Dicke
put it. He said if you want an observer
around, you need life, and if you want
life, you need heavy elements. To
make heavy elements out of
hydrogen, you need thermonuclear
combustion. To have thermonuclear
combustion, you need a time of
cooking in a star of several billion
years. In order to stretch out several
billion years in its time dimension, the
universe, according to general
relativity, must be several billion years
across in its space dimensions.
So why is the universe as big as it is?
Because we're here!
COSMIC SEARCH: A very interesting
view.
Wheeler: You could put it another
way: You can say there's an efficiency
expert who's come to look over the
Lord's shoulder. He says,
"Why, Lord, you're wasting a lot of
money on this universe. See, you've
put one hundred billion (10^11) stars
in the Milky Way, and you've put one
hundred billion (10^11) Milky Ways in
the universe -- that's ten billion trillion
(10^11) stars -- that's a mighty
extravagant way to get one planet (the
Earth) with life on it so there'll be
somebody around to be aware of this
universe. Now, Lord, we efficiency
people want to cut you down, but we
won't cut you down to one star.
Instead of 10 billion trillion stars, we'll
cut you down to one hundred billion
stars -- that's enough to make one
galaxy. This will be a great economy
move."
"The universe starts with a Big
Bang, expands to a maximum
dimension, then recontracts and
collapses (to the Big Crunch); no
more awe-inspiring prediction
was ever made." Quotation from
Charles W. Misner, Kip S. Thorne
and John A. Wheeler in
"Gravitation", W. H. Freeman, San
Francisco, 1973, page 1196.
From me, Osama Abdallah: Please
visit Allah Almighty said in the
Noble Quran that He is
"Expanding" the Universe.
continuing with the article....
The only problem is, according to
general relativity, when you cut the
amount of mass down by a factor of
100 billion, you also cut the size of the
universe down by the same amount,
just enough universe for one galaxy.
You also cut down the time from the
Big Bang to the Big Crunch from 100
billion years to just one year which
isn't time enough to evolve even one
star, let alone evolve life.
Put it another way. There's no obvious
extravagance of scale in the
construction of the universe. The
efficiency expert would have a right to
complain if life had been created on
several planets, in several parts of the
universe, because then he could say
that's more than you really need in
order for somebody to be around to be
aware of the universe. But, if you have
life on one planet only (the Earth),
then, it's not obvious that you're being
extravagant.
The anthropic principle provides a new
perspective on the question of life
elsewhere in space. It puts in question
the common view that the universe is
a big machine; that man is
unimportant in the scheme of things;
that we're an accidental bit of dust
that doesn't have anything to do with
it all. From that point of view, it is not
very important whether you're going
to have life on a billion planets or on
just one planet -- or no life at all. Life
or no life still wouldn't matter in the
scheme of the universe.
But, if we adopt this other perspective
that Dicke suggests -- the anthropic
principle -- then it's quite a different
assessment that we make. Then the
universe has to be such as to permit
awareness of that universe; otherwise
the universe has no meaning.
We are now nearer the Big Bang than
the Big Crunch since the universe, as
we observe it, is still expanding.
The anthropic principle looks at this
universe, that universe and the other
universe and rules out as mere
meaningless machines all those in
which awareness does not develop
somewhere at some time. Stronger
than the anthropic principle is what I
might call the participatory principle.
According to it we could not even
imagine a universe that did not
somewhere and for some stretch of
time contain observers because the
very building materials of the universe
are these acts of observer-
participancy. You wouldn't have the
stuff out of which to build the universe
otherwise. This participatory principle
takes for its foundation the absolutely
central point of the quantum:
No elementary phenomenon is a
phenomenon until it is an observed (or
registered) phenomenon.
COSMIC SEARCH: You also
collaborated with Niels Bohr. Could
you tell us about him?
Wheeler: As a student in 1934, 1
applied for a fellowship to go to
Copenhagen to study with Bohr. I
remember writing down my reason on
the application:
"Bohr sees further ahead in physics
than any other man alive".
My fellowship was granted and the
next year I went to study with Bohr,
the great leader of physics and father
figure of all physicists. There in
Copenhagen, Christian Moller, just
back from Rome, reported Fermi's
results on the capture of slow
neutrons. Bohr immediately became
terribly concerned, and interrupting
Moller, talked and talked while
walking back and forth. All the while
you could see the liquid drop model of
the nucleus taking shape right there
before your eyes. For him no physics
was of any interest unless it yielded
some paradox or some beautiful way
of seeing things simply.
I do not remember anyone at Bohr's
institute who ever succeeded in
finishing a seminar talk, even though
he was the invited speaker. He might
be able to speak fifteen minutes, but
soon Bohr would take over and would
use the whole time discussing the
meaning of the speaker's results and
what they proved or disproved.
COSMIC SEARCH: You were also
involved with Bohr later, weren't you?
Wheeler: Yes, I was down at the pier
in New York on January 16,1939, to
meet him, and I had hardly said
"Hello" when I learned that just before
his ship left Copenhagen, he had been
told of the discovery of nuclear fission
by Hahn and Strassmann. So we
dropped everything else and started
to work on fission.
During the war I met Bohr in
Washington at the time he was
dividing his time between Los Alamos
and Washington. He told me
confidentially about his discussions
with President Roosevelt about the
future of nuclear energy. He told me
about his efforts to work out some
kind of control of nuclear energy after
the war.
Bohr made a great impression on
Roosevelt and they had several
discussions. The last speech Roosevelt
wrote -- he died while he was still
working on it -- had in it some words,
quoted by Roosevelt from Thomas
Jefferson, about how scientists serve
as indispensable means of
communication for bringing peace
between different countries of the
world.
It was enormously impressive to me to
see Bohr's courage in facing up to
what the great questions were. I can
vividly remember him saying to me:
"I must always seem to you like an
amateur. But I am always an
amateur."
Of course, that is a very modest way of
saying that one is a pioneer, an
explorer. If you are working on
something new, then you are
necessarily an amateur.
COSMIC SEARCH: Niels Bohr created
one of the world's most influential
schools of modem physics in
Copenhagen. You, too, have educated
many leading physicists, both in
nuclear physics and in general
relativity, at Princeton. Do you have
some thoughts about educating
students?
Wheeler: Shouldn't you rephrase
your question? After all, I'm sure that
it is really the students who educate
me! We all know that the real reason
universities have students is to
educate the professors. But, in order
to be educated by the students, one
has to put good questions to them.
You try out your questions on the
students. If there are questions that
the students get interested in, then
they start to tell you new things and
keep you asking more new questions.
Pretty soon you have learned a great
deal.
COSMIC SEARCH: What insights can
one gain from the collapse of a star
into a black hole as regards the
ultimate collapse of the universe?
Wheeler: I would regard the black
hole as a here-and-now model for the
collapse of the universe. We've come
to recognize that in the typical closed
model universe, a black hole that
forms at some point in the history of
the universe is not a singularity -- a
Gate of Time -- separate and distinct
from the Big Crunch, but is part and
parcel of the same thing.
"Think of yourself in an ice cave
with time pointing upward from
the floor (the Big Bang). The roof
represents the Big Crunch and
the icicles represent black holes.
The water level represents the
time where we are now,
beginning to engulf a few icicles.
That's when black holes are
formed."
Let me put it this way. If you'll permit,
let's imagine ourselves as in an ice
cave, and let's think of time as
pointing upward from the floor. The
floor of ice represents the Big Bang.
The roof of ice represents the Big
Crunch -- and some spikes hanging
down, icicles, represent black holes.
Think of water gradually filling the
cave as it comes up, representing the
advance of time. No water, and you're
back at the Big Bang; a little water,
and you're in the early days of the
universe. More water and your time
level is where we are now. As the
water rises -- as time goes on -- it
engulfs a few of the spikes, the icicles
-- that's the moment when black holes
are formed. Keep the water level going
on up and you get to the point where
the spikes are completely immersed
and the water even reaches to the top
of the cave. Then you have arrived at
the Big Crunch. From this point of
view, you can see that the Big Crunch
or final Gate of Time is not distinct in
nature from the black hole. They're
the same kind of animal. In that sense,
learning about a black hole is learning
about the final stages of the universe.
Although many articles are being
written about the outsides of black
holes, hardly any deal with the
question of what happens inside the
black hole, on the way to the Big
Crunch. All the indications I can see
point to it being the direct opposite of
what happens on the outside. The
outside settles down to a steady
standard condition. If it's perturbed a
little bit away from that ideal state, it
once again reverts to the steady
condition.
But, on the inside, the condition is the
exact opposite, in the sense that if the
collapse of matter is not exactly
symmetric, then the perturbations
from the infalling matter will get worse
and worse, and bigger and bigger.
There will be so-called "mixmaster"
oscillations. Matter -- and space
geometry as well -- will be driven into
a gigantic chaos. If, as we believe, the
black hole is really part and parcel of
the final singularity, then these
"mixmaster" oscillations should be a
common property of black holes and
the big crunch. We have much to learn
from studying this chaos from the
theoretical end. That doesn't mean
these extreme conditions have no
observational consequences; they
certainly do.
One might question this point. One
might ask, what sense is it to talk
about the physics inside a black hole?
Who's ever going to fall inside a black
hole? But, here we are living inside -- if
Einstein is correct -- a closed universe,
and we will eventually head into a Big
Crunch ourselves -- so the laugh's on
us!
COSMIC SEARCH: If that is true --
that the last laugh is on us, how does
that affect mankind's attitude?
Wheeler: If the universe is only going
to last for a finite time, I think it's far
too early in the scheme of things to try
to draw conclusions about how we
should react. We're still so much in the
learning phase. We have to keep
separate what we're learning from our
attitudes.
To me to live a one-life-only in a one-
life-only universe provides a poetic
parallelism. How precious life is! Every
day, every person one meets, every
experience -- that's all we're going to
have. It distresses me that so many
people go through life in an alienated
spirit, not realizing that this is the only
opportunity they have -- they'll never
have it again.
COSMIC SEARCH: We certainly are at
a very important time in mankind's
thinking about its place in the
universe. Thank you, Professor
Wheeler, for sharing with us a glimpse
of these great discoveries yet to come.
John Archibald Wheeler
has been at the forefront of
theoretical physics for nearly
five decades. In the 1930's,
with Niels Bohr, he developed
the first general theory of nuclear
fission.
According to the "liquid drop"
model of Bohr and Wheeler
(1939), a slow neutron entering a
uranium 235 nucleus causes it to
split like a drop of liquid into two
smaller drops representing the
nuclei of a tellurium 137 atom and
a zirconium 97 atom while
emitting two neutrons. Energy
released by this type of reaction
forms the basis of nuclear fission
power.
In the 1940's, with a student, Richard
Feynman, he discovered a new
approach to electrodynamics which
has proven to be of great value. In the
1950's he found new solutions to
Einstein's gravitational equations of
importance in astrophysics. In the
1960s he pioneered studies involving
gravitational collapse, neutron stars
and Black Holes (a name he invented).
More recently Wheeler has proposed
and analyzed "delayed choice"
experiments. In them a difference in
what one measures on the particle --
or photon -- now makes an
irretrievable difference in what one
has the right to say the particle
already did in the past. This effect,
which makes it impossible to monitor
the events of nature with complete
detachment, he calls "observer-
participancy".
Wheeler is a scientist-philosopher
whose thoughts encompass the entire
cosmos from its smallest
microstructure to its astronomical
maximum, while spanning its past and
future between the two "Gates of
Time": the "Big Bang" beginning and
the "Big Crunch" ending. The Gates of
Time is also a term he coined.
Wheeler's dynamic career gives
special meaning to the statement that
scientists are even more interesting
than science.
Wheeler is Director of the Center for
Theoretical Physics at the University of
Texas, Austin. Before going to Austin
in 1976, he was the Joseph Henry
Professor of Physics at Princeton
University, where he had been a
faculty member for 38 years.
Born in Florida in 1911, he received
his doctorate from Johns Hopkins
University in 1933. In 1938 he joined
the physics faculty of Princeton
University where he served until his
move to Austin in 1976. Wheeler is
past president of the American
Physical Society, recipient of the
Albert Einstein Prize of the Strauss
Foundation (1965), the Enrico Fermi
Award for his work on nuclear fission
(presented by President Lyndon
Johnson in 1968), the Franklin Medal
of the Franklin Institute (1969), and
the National Medal of Science (1971),
as well as numerous honorary
degrees.
He is the author of many scientific
articles and author or co-author of six
books. His famous, monumental 1280-
page text "Gravitation" (1973) was
written in collaboration with his former
students Kip Thorne and Charles
Misner; his most recent, "Frontiers of
Time", appeared in 1979.
A man of great modesty, Wheeler
radiates a contagious enthusiasm
coupled with a charming informality.
He has a fondness for paradox as
epitomized by: "We will first
understand how simple the universe is
when we recognize how strange it is".
Wheeler on Science
"The greatest discoveries are yet to
come."
"What good is a universe without
somebody around to look at it?"
"There's no obvious extravagance of
scale in the construction of the
universe."
"If you're working on something
new, then you are necessarily an
amateur."
"So, why is the universe as big as it
is? Because we're here!"
Learning about a black hole is
learning about the final stages of
the universe."
"You have to keep separate what
we're learning from our attitudes"
"We will first understand how
simple the universe is when we
recognize how strange it is."
"The real reason universities have
students is to educate the
professors."
"You need people who have the
imagination, daring and ability to
get somewhere. That is the way
research works. "
"No elementary phenomenon is a
phenomenon until it is an observed
phenomenon. "
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Avicenna: The BiG BANG.
What happened before that cannot be adequately explained and proven......yet. Until the LHC tests it out that is. ( The CERN project)

Do you know Allah talks about the big bang in the quran?
The Miracle Of Quran-The Big Bang
Theory - YouTube
VIDEO - 2 min - youtube.com
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@op,if I may ask you a simple question, how do you think the universe came about?

ea7: *facepalm* if we assume that someone has to control everything , who controls the controller?

Are you saying everything controls itself?

tayoccu: I'm beginning to see the big picture, it seems you guys are naturally inclined to misinterpreting scriptures.
The piece of scripture u quote, talks about sacrifices individuals must make in terms of their lifestyle (its a parable junior ) so as to attain spiritual purity , not a call to go butchering.

Its unfortunate that a father would kill his own daughters, it really is.
But I dare say it isn't just a middle eastern thing, it happens in northern nigeria.
I normally keep out of discussions like this, but I will make an exception.
Prophet Muhammad himself testified to the fact that Jesus is perfect, the perfect prophet he called him, but muhammad claimed to be the final prophet. My question is why would God send someone to "improve" on the work of a perfect prophet?

Christians are very funny, assuming those verses of the scripture had been written "so pay the tithe" or "drink the beer" instead of "cut if off" it would have been interpreted literally...