₦airaland Forum

usisky: @Mazaje. I swear by all that u can see and cannot see, i have such an evidence.

Mr man, guide yourself before you try to guide others, muslims are not meant to swear by anything other than Allah. Any muslim who swears by other than Allah is committing shirk(disbelief).

mazaje: Davidylan has ended this argument. . .This research is just one of those inconclusive researches that has no definite conclusion or wrong conclusion. There are many researches like that all over the place that are either wrong or inconclusive because the hypothesis itself is wrong. . . .The research has NOT been published in ANY scientific journal of repute, its been eight years now and still nothing substantial has been put forth to substantiate the researchers claims from any where. If antibiotics exist on the surface of flies then you guys should tell us the NAME of the antibiotic and where we can BUY it as davidylan had rightly stated. . .Until you do that, the myth that flies carry diseases on one of their wings and a cure on the other wing should be laid to rest here. . .

This is simply illogical...there are many researches that take even longer time before they were concluded and you never find them here and there on the journals until they are concluded.
May be you missed where the report says the research was presented at the Australian society for microbiology conference in Melbourne; "Our research is a small part
of a global research effort for
new antibiotics, but we are
looking where we believe no-
one has looked before," said
Ms Joanne Clarke, who
presented the group's findings
at the Australian Society for
Microbiology Conference in
Melbourne this week. The
project is part of her PhD
thesis."
http://abc.gov.au/science/
articles/2002/10/01/689400.
htm. The only logical reason you cannot find anywhere this research is debunked around the world is that IT IS NOT WRONG, if this research is wrong she would have come out her self to clarify the issue and apologise to the public or better still, other scientists would have proved her wrong with facts considering many scientists from different parts of the globe were present at the conference. If I may ask you two simple questions; how do you think the fly PROTECTS itself from all the bacteria it carries?, do you think the fly can SURVIVE all the bacteria it carries if it has no defence against it?
Now listen to your self, so you expect the antibiotics on which research is still going on to have been named and made available in the markets? This is mostly ABSURD!

Remembrance of Allah is the only thing our souls need naturally. In other words, souls only find peace in the remembrance of Allah: "Verily, in the
remembrance of Allah
do hearts find
rest." (Qur'an 13:28)

davidylan: 1. You CANNOT use water to extract an antibiotic from a fly... its just plain IMPOSSIBLE no matter how many times you say it. Lets not pretend to be dealing with hypotheticals here, we know what we are targetting (extraction of an alleged antibiotic from a housefly wing) .

Mr davidylan, stop getting this
issue twisted either deliberately or
not. The hadith was not talking
about how antibiotics can be
extracted from a fly. The scientists
only needed to extract the
antibiotics specificaly to study it
hence, they chose to use ethanol.
Whether only ethanol can be used
to extract antibiotics from a fly or
not is left for the scientists as this
is not the concern of the hadith.
The main concern here in relation
to the hadith is, will there be the
presence of antibiotics in the liquid
(say water) a fly is dipped into? If
you say no, could you please state
a scientific fact to back your claim?

sino: A complete way of life which is balanced and leaves no part of humanity out of it. Need i say more?

@seguun, assalam alaykum, i really appreciate your explanations on the issue of the hadith of the housefly, may Allah reward you. Indeed if the hadith was from the prophet, then i am rest assured of its correctness.

@mazaje and david, it amuses me your illogical aproach towards this issue, but should i be surprised?
What do you know about extraction of desired product without contamination? What do you know about lab procedures in the extraction of chemicals found in plant and animal? What do you know about antibiotics? The microbes that produce them, their pathways and why they are called secondary metabolites? What do you know about their solubility in water and other solvent? I can go on and on but please always try to be objective with your points.
This is an ongoing research which is yet to be concluded, but a very good point which can be derived is, there is a cure in the housefly that carries disease, which can be related (in a more general view) to the hadith of the prophet. Why not let us relax grab a cup of green tea and let the scientist do their job.

Surely islam is the total way of life that leaves nothing unsolved(logically)!
Wa alaikum salam warahmatullah my brother! May Allah reward you greatly for the brilliant answer you've given him above.

davidylan: Mr Seguun,
which scientific journal did Ms Clarke publish her findings? Surely its been 8 yrs now. . . at what point do you realise that quoting an ABC.news website does not count as serious science?

Why can't you simply state any scientific fact that proves her wrong so that the argument is put to rest.

davidylan: I pointed it out in a single largely inconsequential sentence . . . you seem to be building a mountain off a molehill to hide your own vapidity.



1. this is quite daft because in the same post i used an example specific to the housefly. Why did you ignore that?

2. You do know that the term "fly" is NOT reserved for houseflies alone and that mosquitoes are a type of fly right? Are you aware that the term "fly" simply refers to any flight insect (order diptera) possessing a pair of wings from the metathorax?

Did allah forget?



and the proof of this is where? Why cant you specifically reference the paper here rather than hiding behind the fig leaf of amorphous "scientists"?

Firstly, I understand the term fly is not reserved for the house fly, though most people understand "fly" to mean the "house fly" as any other fly is called by its specific name e.g mosquito, butter fly, locust etc. However, I don't want to further any argument with you on this, this is the hadith that clarifies it ; Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said "If a HOUSE FLY
falls in the drink of anyone of
you, he should dip it (in the
drink), for one of its wings has
a disease and the other has
the cure for the disease."
Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4,
Book 54, Number 537
This is also the fact that proves the presence of antibiotics on the fly (house fly);
The surface of flies is the last
place you would expect to find
antibiotics, yet that is exactly
where a team of Australian
researchers is concentrating
their efforts.
Working on the theory that
flies must have remarkable
antimicrobial defences to
survive rotting dung, meat
and fruit, the team at the
Department of Biological
Sciences, Macquarie
University, set out to identify
those antibacterial properties
manifesting at different
stages of a fly's development.
"Our research is a small part
of a global research effort for
new antibiotics, but we are
looking where we believe no-
one has looked before," said
Ms Joanne Clarke, who
presented the group's findings
at the Australian Society for
Microbiology Conference in
Melbourne this week. The
project is part of her PhD
thesis.
The scientists tested four
different species of fly: a
house fly, a sheep blowfly, a
vinegar fruit fly and the
control, a Queensland fruit fly
which lays its eggs in fresh
fruit. These larvae do not need
as much antibacterial
compound because they do
not come into contact with as
much bacteria.
Flies go through the life
stages of larvae and pupae
before becoming adults. In the
pupae stage, the fly is
encased in a protective casing
and does not feed. "We
predicted they would not
produce many antibiotics,"
said Ms Clarke.
They did not. However the
larvae all showed antibacterial
properties (except that of the
Queensland fruit fly control).
As did all the adult fly species,
including the Queensland fruit
fly (which at this point
requires antibacterial
protection because it has
contact with other flies and is
mobile).
Such properties were present
on the fly surface in all four
species, although antibacterial
properties occur in the gut as
well. "You find activity in both
places," said Ms Clarke.
"The reason we concentrated
on the surface is because it is
a simpler extraction."
The antibiotic material is
extracted by drowning the
flies in ethanol, then running
the mixture through a filter to
obtain the crude extract.
When this was placed in a
solution with various bacteria
including E.coli, Golden Staph,
Candida (a yeast) and a
common hospital pathogen,
antibiotic action was observed
every time.
"We are now trying to identify
the specific antibacterial
compounds," said Ms Clarke.
Ultimately these will be
chemically synthesised.
Because the compounds are
not from bacteria, any genes
conferring resistance to them
may not be as easily
transferred into pathogens. It
is hoped this new form of
antibiotics will have a longer
effective therapeutic life.
http://abc.gov.au/science/
articles/2002/10/01/689400.
htm

davidylan: It's "hurt" not "hurted" dude.



This is blatantly untrue. The mosquito doesnt die of malaria because it does not possess red blood cells which is the primary cell attacked by the pathogen in question. Nothing to do with antibiotics here. We cannot continue to condone the use of false arguments and pseudo-science to defend the vapidity of the hadiths.



Dumb really. the mosquito is essentially a "flying insect". But let me humor you and use the house fly . . . what is the antibiotic it uses to avoid infection by the typhoid fever bacteria?

You are only trying to hold on to a straw by attacking my english. I neither claimed to be an english professor nor do i claim english language to be my mother tongue, i am nothing but a full-blooded western nigerian nigger. A nigger attacking a nigger for speaking bad english only makes the attacker still, a captive (mentally) of his former master (the white man).
You keep on twisting the subject from fly (house fly) to mosquito while i keep wondering when i ever made mention of mosquitoes. Does the hadith talk about mosquitoes? NO, was the research based on mosquitoes? NO. I'm sure you know the difference between a house fly and a blood-sucking mosquitoes, you don't want me to point that to you do you?.So, i assume FRUSTRATION is the only reason for this unusual twisting of the argument.
Go ask the scientists what the antibiotics found on flies is, the fact is that flies carry antibiotics and this is the confirmation of the hadith.

davidylan: I dont understant. Is this a deliberate attempt to remain stup[i]i[/i]d for allah? Two simple examples - the malaria parasite, plasmodium falciparum (that is a FACT by the way), is transmitted by mosquitoes in their saliva. . . while house flies typically transmit disease by carrying pathogens on hairy legs (this is one other means by which plant pollination occurs).
Flies carrying disease on their wings? That is an islamic myth.



I actually beg to differ about this generally held nonsense. Most flies dont develop disease (despite carrying human disease-causing pathogens) because of the huge genetic difference. For example, a mosquito does not develop malaria - is it because of antibiotics? NO! Plasmodium falciparum attacks red blood cells that are required to drive oxygen delivery to your tissues. A mosquito does not require this and thus is immune to the effects of the pathogen.

The only proof of this fly antibiotic wetdream for muslims comes from a presentation by a certain "Joan Clark" from Australia in 2002. Why is this alleged finding not more widely proven in microbiology labs all over the world?



this makes no sense whatsoever. Have you ever worked in a science lab?
Artemisin is the most powerful anti-malarial medication known to man and it is extracted from the Artemisia plant by crushing and extracting with Hexane. Why dont doctors ask you to grow the plant and just dip it in water that you can drink anytime you are sick? These guys are just a bunch of morons.



huh? Cholera. . . just one example of a disease spread by eating food contaminated by pathogen-bearing flies. Why didnt the "antibiotic" on the opposing wing prevent you from catching the disease? Ode.

When next a mosquito bites you, just catch it, dunk it in your hot tea and drink. Dont take drugs please. The same stupid sheikhs who trumpet the mohammedan nonsense are the first to queue up at Walter Reed hospital here when they get sick while their fooolish followers are busy catching flies to dunk in their water.

Oh ! i never knew i have hurt somebody this much!! i will ignore all the insults but let me just give you a brief summary;
The hadith let us know that the same fly that carries various diseases also carries the antidotes(this was in the 7th century). Later in the 21st century, modern scientists confirmed the hadith by letting us know that the fly is able to survive all the pathogens on it because it also carries the antibiotics against the diseases.
As for all other parts of the hadith, it remains mere words of mouth if there is no prove against it from a scientific experiment.
And the mosquitoes pranks you are playing is unnecessary, may be you got me wrong because I've being saying "fly" instead of "house fly".
I know the motives behind your emotional post, I'm not interested in arguing in circles with you.

davidylan: What "facts" where you looking for? I thought Mazaje's post contained a ton of FACTS that are easily obtainable in any secondary school biology textbooks. From his post:

Fact 1 - No, normally a fly carries diseases on its legs and in its saliva,

Fact 2 - it also carries antibiotics in its gut and on its body surface that protects it from the harmful bacteria it carries about or in where it feeds since it normally feeds in bacteria filled environment. . .

Fact 3 - The antibiotic is carries on its body can only be extracted using ethanol and chemically synthesized first before it can be used, it is not helpful to the human in its natural form. it has to be extracted and chemically synthesized and made useful before it can be used according to the research. . .

Fact 4 - So NO, it will not manifest in the drink but the millions of bacteria in the fly's saliva and legs will contaminate the drink it falls into. .

So how come you are whining that he is not stating "facts"? What "facts" where you expecting?

As for your FACT - 1, does he have any prove that flies don't carry diseases on any other part of their body except on their legs and their saliva?, considering the fact that there is an ongoing research on fly.
The FACT 2 actually confirmed the hadith but what mazaje was disputing is where the antibiotics was situated,the hadith mentioned the wing, the scientists mentioned the surface, so i asked him "is one of a fly's wing situated in its belly?"
What he said in your so called FACT 3 i have explained, the scientists only extracted the antibiotics using ethanol and filter because they needed to study the antibiotics specifically. Are you saying antibiotics will be absent in any other liquid a fly is dipped into apart from ethanol?, if antibiotics will be present, it will surely make the diseases harmless. Is he saying the diseases having been made harmless by the antibiotics in the drink, the drink is still not safe for human consumption? If so, let him bring forth his prove and end the argument.
Your so called FACT 4 is only words of his own mouth. Let him STATE his FACT!

deols: you keep arguing without stating a fact. State the research claiming this to be wrong and there may be an end to the discussion. Science is based on facts. No scientist would associate with your 'supposed logic'

and btw, why did they move this to the Muslim section. Thought there was a request against that.

Salam alaikum sister! Scientific prove is all what i ask from him.

mazaje: The report has nothing to say about a fly falling into a drink. . .It only talks about how antibiotics are extracted from the surface of flies by using ethanol and a filter. . .Are you saying that if a fly falls into a cup of water it will release antibiotic into the water?. . .is that what you are saying?. . .

The usage of ethanol and filter is to enable the scientists to extract the antibiotics specifically for study (how it can be used to solve other human health problems like heart disease for instance)...this does not mean antibiotics is absent in the liquid a fly is dipped into. The liquid in which a fly has been dipped contains various properties including the pathogens (diseases) and the antidotes (antibiotics) and this is not what the scientists want.
If a fly is drowned by been dipped in a liquid, its cells bursts releasing it contents including the antibiotics. Now, prove me wrong by providing your CONCRETE PROVE!
And there is a big difference between DIPPING into water and FALLING into water.

mazaje: NO, the antibiotic on the surface of the fly will not be released into the liquid, if it will the research will not talk about using ethanol to extract the antibiotic from the surface of the fly. . .Read about antibiotics and how they are extracted so that you will have a better understanding. . .Are you saying that simply dipping a fly in water for example will release the antibiotic found on its surface inside the water?. . .If that is what you are saying then it is false. . .Dipping a fly in water will not make the antibiotic on its surface to be released into the water. . .

I expected you to at least provide me with a prove from an experiment that shows the absence of antibiotics in a drink in which a fly has been dipped, all you have to say is to make a conclusion from your own words.
You've concluded on yourself the reason the scientists used ethanol was because the antibiotics cannot be released in any other liquid, this the report never claimed.
And don't try to generalise by asking me to read about how antibiotics is extracted. The DNA of a fly is different from that of a tiger, i said this because we are dealing with flies specifically.

mazaje: It seems you do not understand what the research is all about. . .The research is about finding antibiotics in and on flies based on the fact that they carry bacteria all over them but the bacteria do not harm them. . .The antibiotic they carry has to first extracted by ethanol, filtered and synthesized before it can be of any use. . .When a fly falls into a drink the millions of bacteria in its legs and saliva will contaminate the drink. . .The antibiotic is for the protection of the fly.



How then does this support your prophet's assertion that dipping a fly that falls in a person's drink will provide cure for the disease it carries? The antibiotic is for the protection of the fly and will have to be removed using special chemicals like ethanol, when it is removed it has to be filtered and synthesized before if can be used . . .Are you saying that just re-immersing a the fly that falls into you water or coca cola will remove the antibiotic and provide cure for cholera for example? If that is the case why are people not immersing flies into water and drinking the water as a cure for diseases like cholera?

Oga! it is you that don't seem to understand the report of the research, in a simple way, it is the presence of the antibiotics on the fly's surface that makes the diseases harmless to the fly. So, if the fly falls into some liquid and its cells saturates in the liquid, definitely both the diseases and the antibiotics will be released in the liquid thereby, making the diseases harmless in the liquid. My point is, if the antibiotics is present in the liquid, it will definitely make the diseases harmless unless you can prove the absence of antibiotics in the drink in which a fly has been dipped.
Mr atheist! stop being mischievous!! when did i say somebody who has cholera already should dip a fly in his water and drink to cure cholera?

mazaje: No, normally a fly carries diseases on its legs and in its saliva, it also carries antibiotics in its gut and on its body surface that protects it from the harmful bacteria it carries about or in where it feeds since it normally feeds in bacteria filled environment. . .The antibiotic is carries on its body can only be extracted using ethanol and chemically synthesized first before it can be used, it is not helpful to the human in its natural form. it has to be extracted and chemically synthesized and made useful before it can be used according to the research. . .So NO, it will not manifest in the drink but the millions of bacteria in the fly's saliva and legs will contaminate the drink it falls into. . .The wing is situated on the surface but the antibiotic is NOT to be found on one wing of the fly. .It is to be found on its surface and it has to be chemically extracted and synthesized to be of any use to humans which is a process. . .Re-immersing a fly into your drink when it falls into it is a harmful exercise. . .

The scientists extracting the antibiotics using ethanol does not mean there will be absence of antibiotics in the drink the fly is dipped into. That is why I asked you to provide us with any scientific experiment that proves the drink contaminates more.
The extracting and synthesising is only to make it easy to study in the lab. They are trying to know how the antibiotics can be used to treat other human health problems.
If you don't mind, show me where in the report did the scientists say there will be absence of antibiotics in any other liquid apart from ethanol?

mazaje: This is simple logic, on average a fly carries about 6 million bacteria on its legs. . .When a fly falls into your drink the bacteria gets into your drink as well when you immerse the fly into your drink. .



There is a difference between the wings of the fly and its body surface IMO. . .



Not really, the prophet says that flies carry diseases on one of their wings and cure on the other. . .That is not true because flies carry diseases on their legs and in their saliva and not on their wings. . .The antibiotics can be found both in the guts of flies and on their surface. . .That is very different from what the prophet says. . .How exactly does dipping a fly into your drink provide a cure to anything as the prophet said?. . .

Oh i see! SIMPLE LOGIC indeed!! so your simple logic tells you the diseases on the fly manifest in the drink but does not tell you the antibiotics will also manifest in the drink. Just at least be SINCERE!
In your opinion you've concluded the fly's wings are not on its surface, I continue to ask you, are they situated in its belly?
Yourself admitted it's an on going research yet you keep on jumping to conclusion. Na wa o!

LagosShia: brother,dont waste your time defending "sahih bukhari" and this or that book if it is not the holy Quran.to muslims,only the Quran is the infallible word of God.there are many pathetic hadiths here and there.there is no harm in accepting the reality that there are true hadiths that we accept and fabricated ones we reject.that is the reality of hadiths.

it will do no harm by exposing men as fallible and liars.trying to defend the indefensible to protect the honor of men (who are neither prophets nor infallible) is where we could fall back and hold Islam to ransom.

Brother, i don't think there was anytime we had a discussion and i told you there is no fabricated hadith, my point is this particular tradition of the prophet is authentic.
All the same, salam alaikum!

mazaje: The prophet we are told said flies carry diseases on one of their wings, that is not true because flies do not carry diseases on their wings but on their foot and in their saliva. . .He said the cure is to be found on one of the wings. . .That is also not true because according to the research the antibiotics are not to be found on one of the wings, but in the gut of the fly and on its surface he also said that the cure can be obtained by re-immersing the fly into the drink, which is also false, will you continue ingesting your drink after a fly falls into it? Will you re-immerse the fly inside your drink and take it as a cure for your disease?. . .The way the antibiotics can be found is by dropping the fly into ethanol, filtering the antibiotic and synthesizing it. . .Re-immersing a fly into your drink when it falls inside it is a useless exercise. . .

Please check my modified post and answer my question.

mazaje: False. . . .Dipping a fly in ethanol and running it true a filter can extract the antibiotics that needs to be chemically synthesized first not in the drink it fell inside, dropping a fly inside a drink will only contaminate the drink the more, it is an ongoing research according to the paper i read some few years ago. . .



This news paper report from the Yemenpost is very misleading and contains some misinformation. . .They report talks about a muslim laboratory technician who says that scientist generally agree that flies carry antimicrobial defenses on one of their wings. . .This statement is very false, there is no scientific research that agrees with his statements. . .

Here is the paper. . .Compare it to the sensational report in the Yemenpost and see for your self. . .



Flies do not carry diseases on their wings, they carry diseases on their legs and their saliva and one of their wings does not carry any cure. . .Dipping a fly inside a drink when it falls into it is a useless exercise. . .

Mr atheist see how you contradicted yourself, you are already concluding dipping the fly in the drink will contaminate the drink the more in one hand, and you admitted it's an ongoing research in other hand. SHOW ME THE SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT THAT PROVES DIPPING THE FLY IN THE DRINK WILL CONTAMINATE IT THE MORE?.
Even if we go by "on their surface" I still ask you is one flies wings situated in their belly?.
May be I should make it clearer to you. The whole point is that a fly that carry such an amount of disease also carries the cure.
The difference between the scientists and the Prophet(saw) is that the prophet mentioned where the disease and the cure is located, the scientists say it's an ongoing research but agree the fly carries antibiotic which unknown before now.

LagosShia: my friend,you are derailing the thread.you must know that the man who narrated that hadith (abu hureira) in the view of the shia is a chronic liar.secondly,even to sunnis not all hadiths in their "sahih bukhari" is true.so next time dont generalize by placing all muslim in one bundle.that also goes to show the extent of your ignorance.

now here is a refutation to this hadith from a shia website:

I never knew you are this pathetic, must you turn everything to SUNNI ThIS SHIA THAT?

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mazaje: . . . .On going research shows that flies do carry antibiotic materials on their surface which can be chemically synthesised. The antibiotic is not found one one of the wings of the fly but on its surface. . .

At least you admitted flies do carry antibiotic materials, what you are only disputing is whether it is located on the wings or on the surface...I ask you is one of its wings located in its belly?
Also you forgot to add that it now established that by dipping the fly in the drink, the disease in the drink can be cured:
Wings of a Fly: The New Buzz of Antibiotics

  Written By:  Mona Al-Raqas ( Yemen Post Staff )
  Article Date: December 17, 2007 

 

The last thing that might come to mind is that we can find antibiotics on the surface of flies.  over a thousand years ago, Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) said: "If a fly falls down to your vessel, drown it then remove it, for one of its wings has the ailment and the other has the cure," [narrated by Al-Bokhari] Through this Hadith, it has been clear that a fly has bacteria in one of its wings and has the antibacterial defense in the other wing.



People of other religions found it somehow strange and difficult to believe that Muslims drown the fly into their food as they considered it something unacceptable. They believed that flies carry only diseases, and drowning it into food or drink is an unreasonable action. Although flies live on decayed food and garbage where bacteria, germs and microbes exist, Allah made the miracle on the right wing of the fly. He, the Almighty, creates the antibiotics that help annihilating all these viruses.  

In Australia, a team from the Department of Biological Sciences, Macquarie University, worked on a research to prove that flies have remarkable antimicrobial defenses. The team's leader, Dr. Joanne Clarke proved this discovery through a number of experiments.

"Our research is a small part of a global research effort for new antibiotics, but we are looking where we believe no-one has looked before,” said Dr. Clarke, who presented the team’s findings at the Australian Society for Microbiological Conference in Melbourne.

She added, "We are now trying to identify the specific antibacterial compounds which will be chemically synthesized from the surface of the flies."

Another researcher from Tokyo University, Dr. Juan Alvarez Bravo confirms that in the near future "people will be astonished to find that flies are being used as antibiotics in the hospitals."

He also assures that scientists are working on the flies to get a number of effective remedies for different diseases. 

Working on this theory, scientists found that getting the remedy from flies is strange but acceptable in science. Other researchers from the United States are trying to find anti-pathogenetic ways from the flies. They also note that having the cure from the flies will be something reasonably acceptable by people the coming few years.

Researchers from Auburn University discovered a kind of protein in the saliva of the fly with ability to help recover wounds and cracked skin. Likewise, researchers from Stanford University discovered a fly substance with ability to strengthen the immunity system in human beings.

According to scientists, there is a big similarity between the heart of a fly and that of a human being, prompting them to use flies to produce a medicament for the human heart diseases.  

Again, many scientists agree that flies carry lots of diseases but never get infected because of the antimicrobial defenses found in one of their wings. 

A laboratory technician Dr. Abdulhakim al- Qobati pointed out that "this is a heavenly miracle from Allah the Almighty to put the disease and the cure in a tiny creature such as the fly."

He also clarified that the fly is a simple way to transfer diseases due to the environment that the fly used to live in. Allah Creates both the remedy and the disease in the two wings of this fly to show His Supreme Power, explained al-Qobati.

When a fly has various harmful bacteria, it needs something defensible to continue its survival and that is why Allah creates the antibacterial supplies in its body.  A fly puts its saliva into food as soon as it touches it. The fly makes some movements by its limbs from its head to its mouth to put the bacteria. Through these movements, it transfers the microbes and germs to food.    

Researches and scientists proved that in the flies' stomach there are some parasites in the form of circular cells. These cells contain of a specific enzyme. In no time, those cells spread out to the surface of the fly through the joints of its stomach. Due to an inner pressure of each cell (caused for example by drowning the fly), it explodes and results its contents in a form of a liquid spray of this enzyme which has strong properties and abilities to dissolve all microbes. By drowning the fly, the inner pressure of the cell is occurred, so the enzyme will come out and kill all the bacteria caused by the fly and this is why Islam demands drowning the fly.

The discoveries of modern researches have been revealed in the Holy Qura'n long ago, "O men! Here is a parable set forth! Listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! And if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to realize it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!” [Sura al-Haj, verse 73]

Hundred thousands of flies' types exist in the universe; however, just ten types share us living in our houses. The female fly lays down more than hundred eggs in the dung of some animals or in the garbage. After one day, the larva comes out and feeds by the surrounding environment. Two weeks later, they become full-grown flies. In four generations, one fly can lay down 1.5 million eggs, but fortunately, the majority dies due to weather circumstances or becomes food for birds and other insects.  Maximally, a fly can live for sixty days.
www.yemenpost.net/8/Health/2.htm - 14k -

Martian: Mazaje, why do you even continue to bother with these people? Look at what they write (and believe)!!!!

The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease." (Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)

Why can't you simply find out if it is true or not?
If it's actually true, that's a scientific discovery from islam no matter how insignificant it is to you.

The prophet let the muslims know that one of the fly's feathers contain a disease of which the other feather contains the cure, he then advised the muslims to dIp the fly into the drink if it lands on it in other to neutralise the disease. This is a scientific discovery only recently confirmed by the modern science.

Ibn Sīnā (ابن سینا)
Pūr-e Sīnā (پور سینا)
Avicenna


Avicenna's statue in Dushanbe, Tajikistan

Full name

Abū ‘Alī al-Ḥusayn ibn ‘Abd Allāh ibn Sīnā

Other names

Sharaf al-Mulk, Hujjat al-Haq, Sheikh al-Rayees

Born

c. 980
Afshana, near Bukhara (capital of Samanid Empire), in present day Uzbekistan

Died

December 10, 1037 (aged 56–57)
Hamadan, Persia

Era

Medieval era (Islamic Golden Age)

Region

Greater Khorāsān under the Samanid Empire (19 years in Bukhara);
Khwārazm under the Samanids (13 years in Gorgānj);
Jorjān under the Ziyarids: 1012-14 AD;
Persia under the Buyids (Ray: for 1 year; Hamadān: for 9 years; Isfahān: for 13 years; died in 1037 AD in Hamadān.)[1]

Main interests

Medicine, philosophy, logic, Islamic theology (kalam), physics, poetry, science

Notable ideas

Father of modern medicine; pioneer of aromatherapy

Major works

The Book of Healing, The Canon of Medicine

Influenced by

the Qur'an, Muhammad, Ja'far al-Sadiq, Hippocrates, Sushruta, Charaka, Aristotle, Galen, Plotinus, Neoplatonism, Indian mathematics, Wasil ibn Ata, al-Kindi, al-Farabi, Rhazes, Biruni, John Philoponus

Influenced

Biruni, al-Ghazali, Omar Khayyám, Fakhruddin al-Razi, Abubacer, Averroes, Shahab al-Din Suhrawardi, Tusi, Ibn al-Nafis, Scholasticism, Albertus Magnus, Duns Scotus, Aquinas, Giambattista Benedetti, William Harvey, Maimonides, Abu 'Ubayd al-Juzjani

Avicenna

Avicennism

The Canon of Medicine

The Book of Healing

Hayy ibn Yaqdhan

Criticism of Avicennian philosophy

Unani medicine

Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥusayn ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn Sīnā[2] (Persian پورسينا Pur-e Sina [ˈpuːre ˈsiːnɑː] "son of Sina"; c. 980, Afshana near Bukhara– 1037, Hamadan, Iran), commonly known as Ibn Sīnā or by his Latinized name Avicenna, was a Persian[3][4][5][6]polymath, who wrote almost 450 treatises on a wide range of subjects, of which around 240 have survived. In particular, 150 of his surviving treatises concentrate on philosophy and 40 of them concentrate on medicine.[7][8]

His most famous works are The Book of Healing, a vast philosophical and scientific encyclopaedia, and The Canon of Medicine,[9] which was a standard medical text at many medieval universities.[10] The Canon of Medicine was used as a text-book in the universities of Montpellier and Leuven as late as 1650.[11] Ibn Sīnā's Canon of Medicine provides a complete system of medicine according to the principles of Galen (and Hippocrates).[12][13]

His corpus also includes writing on philosophy, astronomy, alchemy, geology, psychology, Islamic theology, logic, mathematics, physics, as well as poetry.[14] He is regarded as the most famous and influential polymath of the Islamic Golden Age.[15]

Circumstances

Avicenna created an extensive corpus of works during what is commonly known as Islam's Golden Age, in which the translations of Greco-Roman, Persian, and Indian texts were studied extensively. Greco-Roman (Mid- and Neo-Platonic, and Aristotelian) texts by the Kindi school were commented, redacted and developed substantially by Islamic intellectuals, who also built upon Persian and Indian mathematical systems, astronomy, algebra, trigonometry and medicine.[16] The Samanid dynasty in the eastern part of Persia, Greater Khorasan and Central Asia as well as the Buyid dynasty in the western part of Persia and Iraq provided a thriving atmosphere for scholarly and cultural development. Under the Samanids, Bukhara rivaled Baghdad as a cultural capital of the Islamic world.[17]

The study of the Quran and the Hadith thrived in such a scholarly atmosphere. Philosophy, Fiqh and theology (kalam) were further developed, most noticeably by Avicenna and his opponents. Al-Razi and Al-Farabi had provided methodology and knowledge in medicine and philosophy. Avicenna had access to the great libraries of Balkh, Khwarezm, Gorgan, Rey, Isfahan and Hamadan. Various texts (such as the 'Ahd with Bahmanyar) show that he debated philosophical points with the greatest scholars of the time. Aruzi Samarqandi describes how before Avicenna left Khwarezm he had met Abu Rayhan Biruni (a famous scientist and astronomer), Abu Nasr Iraqi (a renowned mathematician), Abu Sahl Masihi (a respected philosopher) and Abu al-Khayr Khammar (a great physician).
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