₦airaland Forum

njokuuche77:
I just hope this doesn't turn violent

Knowing South African history. It very likely will and some people will loose their lives but they are used to it over there.

Normal things.

affable4:
Why are they using the term undocumented when they are after everybody, chasing them away and looting their businesses?

They need to legitimate way to cover their xenophobia.

JaceBlaze:
Are you making the silence of your own president on the terrorism and mindless everyday bloodshed in your country the equivalence of ANC not clamping down on "xenophobic patriots"? So who's the APC government scared of pissing off? Aren't these acts committed by Nigerians to Nigerians?

You are not smart at all.

Are we comparing the response to a problem or the magnitude of the problem?

Bantu education is deplorable I tell you. South African exceptionalism on display.

andrewza:
Why do they care so much about LGBT people so much. Why dont they don't focus on the people actually destroying there country.

Ghana going to be arresting gay people while illegal miners put poison in to there rivers.

Let's see how many LGBT people will be arrested in the first year of this bill.

I predict less than 0.1%

RandDigital:
We used to love Ghana before, not anymore as South Africans. Homophobes crying about Xenophobia.

I suspect you're gonna kick out SA businesses when you're done with the repatriations but there's always new and better markets for SA.

SA will always thump you so please test our limits. Tell your noisy neighbors as well.

Stop lieing. You used Ghana as a buffer to insult Nigerians.

You don't like any other African.

andrewza:
African Unity does not work when africa is not equal.

That's because you have been fed propaganda that when we say pan africanism we are talking about coming to your country to reside.

JaceBlaze:
And not a single word from their president.

We also know why the ANC are also avoiding clamping down on your xenophobic "patriots". They are terrified that it will take away votes.

A government frightened to stand on principle and the constitution, being bullied by a small xenophobic European right winged copycat movement backed by political mischief makers.

Same script, different day.

andrewza:
Since apthied has ened under black rule south afica has brought more people out of poverty than Nigeria. Produced a larger black middile class than nigeira.

In every metric the black people of south africa are better of than nigerians. Better educated, better health, more money, every metric

Yes, yes we know we are all coming from other Africans countries to come become like you?

South African exceptionalism at its best.

SMH

zhike:
You are correct the mistake that South African government made was to allow the migrants to integrate with the locals, and you are correct government is unable to solve this xenophobia crisis. In reality only rich should migrate and poor should remain in their government and their government should look after them.
The problem is that in South Africa
migrants will beg money in the road, still for survival,etc.
The main problem was caused by South African government by allowing poor migrants to integrate with the locals.
I trust South Africans, they will fight with their government until government do the right thing by formally chasing the foreigners

Your government will relocate a majority of the foreigners out of your communities, and they will form a parallel class within your system with schools, hospitals and an economy. You will grumble a lot but will have no "additional" excuses going forward that the foreigners are the reason for your hunger.

ghettochild:
Thats why Must of us I’ve been trapped here.. I’ve been here since nine years…
Come 2029 Jan.. I’ll be returning back home

The SA economy is stagnant so government are under pressure and will find any way to reduce and deter migration because of so called limited resources. I say so called because the distribution of wealth is concentrated in certain segments of society.

In the long run you are better off somewhere else. It will take at least another decade for things to turn around if they will.

Dalohad:
Nigerians and Africans, wash their hands with expensive soap, come break palm kernel for infertile chicken during apartheid in South Africa.

You are talking to a generation of South Africans that don't resonate with that so put that to the side.

orisa37:
BRICS.

But the Russians have no reason to destabilize South Africa. They are benefitting from the current relationship.

RandDigital:
You're free to leave the country if we're violent and dul.lar.ds. Done going in circles with you. Shalom, Morpheus.

Salam wa alaikum to you.

RandDigital:
Most South Africans don't support violence, hence you've been able to stay illegally in SA for decades - commiting crimes and insulting us without any consequences.

You people are always on about your emotions.

1. Most people from the countries you are harassing don't support violence either which is why some of them escaped those situations.

2. You are free to deport illegal migrants from your country and deal mercilessly with any criminal. Noone is arguing that point with you but that's not what you really want so stop lieing. Look at what your brothers said in the video below.

3. Most of you du.lla.rd.s spend 85% of your time listening to insults on the internet, you actually believe that those views reflect the vast majority of African people on the continent.

Well now it is a reality.

Waiting for June 30th when you will make South Africa ungovernable.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4fpSeO79js

JaceBlaze:
Trying to counter my point just to end up agreeing with it.All you highlighted here is exactly what I mean.You had to live and slave yourselves to the same "white monopoly" capital you are always telling us to dismantle.

Stop lieing Mfethu, Seppuku only makes observations. Never advised your countrymen on what to do with "white monopoly" capital. You and I are either victims, rebels, collaborators or agents of that system.

Judging from most of the comments you make,I can only guess where you fall on that spectrum.

RandDigital:
Oh well, I tried to be mature about this but clearly you're the bloodthirsty one. Like you said these tensions have lingered for decades and I wonder how you guys "firing back" would resolve the situation instead of making it worse for more decades to come or ending up in all out conflict.

This is why other countries conduct mass deportations, to avoid such things where undocumented outsiders end up feeling entitled to stay in your country.

Citizens in other countries who deal with immigration are not as psychologically messed up as you lot down there. If this were truly about Illegal migrants, the rest of the world would understand and support you.

You wonder why they are not?

RandDigital:
It's a standoff you'll never win on SA soil, forget about that. Best solution is repatriations of undocumented people, proper border protection and a solid system for people in SA legally and with good intentions.

This is your crazed mentality. You think this is a battle against illegal or undocumented migrants for South Africa.

How will your mob be able to tell who is legal or not and even if they were to do that, how are you going to repatriate millions of them in one swoop.

We saw what happened during the July unrest so your modus operandi hasn't changed. When you rushed those Indian communities they dealt with you and you turned back when bodies started dropping. It will be the same and it is more of your people that are going to drop.

I will be on my t.V screen with my popcorn watching and so will a lot of migrants. Good luck and God speed Mfethu.


Boipatong massacre 1992-06-17 45 Killed.
The attack on township residents was carried out by armed men from the steelworks residence KwaMadala Hostel, which was located roughly 1 km from the township. Forty-five people died and several other people were maimed. The attackers were supporters of the Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP), a rival party of the African National Congress (ANC).

Bisho massacre 1992-09-07 Bisho, Ciskei 29 killed
Twenty-eight African National Congress supporters and one soldier were shot dead by the Ciskei Defence Force during a protest march when they attempted to enter Bisho (now renamed to Bhisho) to demand the reincorporation of Ciskei into South Africa during the final years of apartheid.

Saint James Church massacre 1993-07-25 Kenilworth, Cape Town 11 Killed

The Saint James Church massacre was a massacre that was perpetrated by four terrorists of the Azanian People's Liberation Army (APLA). Eleven members of the congregation were killed and an additional 58 members were wounded.

Heidelberg Tavern massacre 1993-12-30 Observatory, Cape Town 4 Killed During the years of apartheid, Observatory was one of the few de facto 'grey' suburbs where all races lived together. On the evening of 30 December 1993, three men entered a popular student venue on Station Road, called the Heidelberg Tavern and opened fire, killing four people and injuring five. The three APLA operatives—Humphrey Luyanda Gqomfa, Vuyisile Brian Madasi and Zola Prince Mabala—were convicted in November 1994[24] for what became known as the Heidelberg Massacre.

Queenstown Prison fire 21 March 1994 Queenstown, Eastern Cape Province 21 Killed

Twenty-one prisoners are killed in a cell fire at the Queenstown Prison after they set fire to their cells.[25][26][27]
Shell House massacre 1994-03-28 Johannesburg 19–53 ANC security guards opened fire, killing nineteen people. Twenty thousand Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP) supporters marched to Shell House in protest against the 1994 elections that the IFP was intending to boycott.
Bree Street taxi rank bombing 1994-04-24 Johannesburg 21 killed, over 100 injured A car bomb was placed at a busy public transport hub in the Johannesburg city centre by members of the AWB[28][29]

Germiston taxi rank bombing 1994-04-25 Germiston 10 killed, 8 injured
A pipe bomb was placed inside a trailer and driven to the taxi rank in Germiston and was detonated at around 10am in the morning by members of the AWB[30]


Sizzlers massacre 2003-01-20 Sea Point, Cape Town 9, 1 injured The victims were murdered at a gay massage parlour on Graham Road by Adam Roy Woest and Trevor Basil Theys.

May 2008 South Africa riots 2008-05-12 Gauteng, Durban, Mpumalanga 62 Attacks on foreign nationals

Marikana massacre 2012-08-16 Lonmin Mine, Marikana 34-47 killed The Marikana massacre was the single most lethal use of force by South African security forces against civilians since 1960. The shootings have been described as a massacre in the South African media and have been compared to the Sharpeville massacre in 1960. Controversy emerged after it was discovered that most of the victims were shot in the back, and many victims were shot far from police lines.

Life Esidimeni deaths 2015 - 2016[31] Gauteng 144 to date;62 still not accounted for.[34] Eight still missing as of 11 March 2020.[35] 1,300 psychiatric patients were relocated from Life Esidimeni centres to mainly unlicensed NGOs by order of the Gauteng Department of Health.[36][37] The inquest concluded in November 2023. This tragic incident marks "one of South Africa's most significant human rights violations." Many of the victims died of "neglect, starvation and dehydration.".[38] "The Life Esidimeni inquest has concluded that former Gauteng MEC for health Qedani Mahlangu and the former head of Gauteng’s mental health services, Makgabo Manamela, were responsible for the deaths of some of the patients"[39]

Van Breda murders 27 January 2015 Stellenbosch, Western Cape 3 Henri Christo van Breda murdered his parents and brother and severely wounded his sister.

2015 South African xenophobic riots 11 April 2015 Durban and Johannesburg 7 Several South Africans attacked foreigners in a xenophobic attack in Durban, which extended to some parts of Johannesburg



2021 South African unrest 9 - 18 July 2021 KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng Provinces 354 Killed
"The 2021 South African unrest, also known as the July 2021 riots,[23] the Zuma unrest[24] or Zuma riots,[25] was a wave of civil unrest that occurred in South Africa's KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng provinces from 9 to 18 July 2021, sparked by the imprisonment of former President Jacob Zuma for contempt of court.[21]: 52  Resulting protests against the incarceration triggered wider rioting and looting"[27][28] The unrest began in the province of KwaZulu-Natal on the evening of 9 July,[29] and spread to the province of Gauteng on the evening of 11 July,[30][31] and was the worst violence that South Africa had experienced since the end of Apartheid.[32]
Zuma was taken into custody after declining to testify at the Zondo Commission, an inquiry into allegations of corruption during his term as president from 2009 to 2018.[33] The Constitutional Court reserved judgment on Zuma's application to rescind his sentence on 12 July 2021.[34][35][36] The South African government reported that 354 people had died in the riots.[21] As of 12 August 2022, 5,500 people had been arrested, in connection with the unrest.[22]"[47][circular reference]

2022 Soweto shooting 2022-07-9 Soweto 16 people were killed and 7 injured. A group of men armed with rifles and a pistol arrived and opened fire on patrons in the tavern. The perpetrators fled the scene and were not apprehended.

2024 Lusikisiki shootings Friday night, 27 September 2024 Ngobozana Village, Lusikisiki, Eastern Cape 18 people shot and killed and 5 injured Unidentified gunmen carried out two mass shootings at a lawn outside two homesteads in the early hours of the morning and shot and killed 17 victims. A critically injured victim died later in hospital. 5 victims survived the attack, including a 2 month old baby. The attackers are still at large. The majority of the victims are women

andrewza:
We also have a high literacy rate and better schools than Nigeria, with far more teachers per student. Fun fact, South Africa spends more money on education than the entier nigerian fedral budgetr

You don't say! Your false sense of South African exceptionalism is astounding.

andrewza:
Yes South Africans have far more money than Nigerians. Why do you think every one run to South Africa but South Africans don't feel the need to leave

Haibo! They educate you people very badly over there. I am so bewildered that I wonder how some of you were able to become that rich in the first place.

andrewza:
There are more wealthy people with true wealth than there are nigerians in that level of wealth.

Exclusive of Diasporans, probably not?

andrewza:
Why you bring up Botswana?

To demonstrate relativity. 2 million rich black South Africans are a drop in the bucket in absolute terms when compared to a population size of 220 million people.

RandDigital:
I stated a fact - protestors said things will get worse on June 30.

When they start getting hit with bullets. It will calm down. You guys having been doing this for a very long time, we already know what to expect which is why all the "foreigners" will bundle themselves up in safety prepared.

andrewza:
That's because our rich are really rich.

The gap is not how many are poor or rich, but the difference between the rich and poor.


Is this an issue? Sure we should close the gap but on the other hand it not like we have the highest poverty in Africa or more than Nigeria. In fact per capita our poverty is far lower than Nigeria and in fact since 1994 more have been brought out of poverty, whereas Nigeria is stagnant in it poverty.

in relative terms Botswana's Income per capita is way way higher than that of Nigerians but in absolute terms, No.

andrewza:
South Africa has less poverty per capita and a larger black middle class in total and per capita

and in the same breath you are the most unequal society when race is factored in.

JaceBlaze:
Where are the meaningful protest marches and campaigns aimed at combating banditry and terrorism in your country? Instead y'all are focused on meaningless nonsense like starting Arsenal, Chelsea,etc fan committee while real issues in the country get ignored.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1p5r5cGCk8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4NHPLAdlaM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdcHA6iF_us


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw_BRCee63E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3reERv5gxA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o45oDhndG-w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RurKVSgES8g

JaceBlaze:
e.g of what you just said being false would be your own Nigeria.If it trickled Chukuokwezi would not be drowning in the Mediterranean trying to escape.Over 120 million people living in abject poverty is not an example of a trickling down economy.

Bantu education is really a problem.

JaceBlaze:
So basically y'all are incapable.This economic system that South Africa has built that you admire are incapable of building it for yourselves? Got it!!

Don't forget to add-

the incapable high tech Indian laborer who is attracted to the capital in silicon valley.

or the incapable Mexican farm worker who crosses borders to pick apples in the subsidized farms in the US.

or the incapable Chinese Wok owner who moves from Shanghai to open up his restuarant in the middle of Sandton.

Or the incapable Somali Merchant who has mastered supply chain management and set up shop in the middle of Soweto who sells goods to you.


All of them so incapable in their own countries and all chasing global...sorry.. "South African" capital.

SMH.

grandstar:
It is a delusion that African immigrants send most of their money home Most of their income is spent on bills like light, rent, water and so on.

Next, these European countries were not built for immigrants. It was built for their citizens.

Immigration is fast changing the demography of many countries.

London is now 31% white British. Birmingham, the second largest city is now 49% white. There are now 92 public without a white British student in England.

Because of democratic institutions, these European countries have little executive power to take full control of the flood of immigrants.

Only Eastern countries like Poland and Hungary which became democratic just 3 decades ago have been very effective in containing immigration.

Why are you afraid of demographic shifts. Its evolution and natural selection at its best, isn't it?

orisa37:
XENO TERRORISM, HOOLIGANISM AND VANDALISM.. SINCE SOUTH AFRICA KNEW , PUTIN , IT BECAME SATANIC

You don bring your own angle to argument. Wetin consine Russia for matter?

JaceBlaze:
It means shut up and focus on removing the log stuck in your eye before you try to remove a splinter in someone else's eye.

but we do all day everyday.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

JaceBlaze:
Surely the average flip-flop wearing Chukouko Mutombo doesn't benefit from these investments,does he?

Chukouko does. Its called trickle down economics.

JaceBlaze:
So they had white monopoly capital and kicked it out just to end up following it down South? I don't see you explaining the proper logic in all of this.

Capital doesn't get kicked out of anywhere, lt moves to where it is treated the best. The South African economy treats it the best vis a vis an established stock exchange, a well-structured banking industry that allows money move freely and quickly and ergo labor follows suite of which the African continent as a whole possesses an abundance.

Economics 101

andrewza:
Nigerians do worse things to each other in Nigeria.

So if we do that then that justifies your own madness?

andrewza:
Glass houses and throwing stones. Ever heard of the Proverb?

but what has that got to do with the xenophobia going on there?