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Shollypopz: When I was new to this forum I always wondered why Nairaland mods were so impolite and unprofessional to the members, then I read ur response to ppl's complain and it became clear.

My response was certainly polite, but I guess it could be viewed as unprofessional since I didn't cooperate with Ileke-Idi. I hereby apologize for my lack of professionalism. I generally tailor my responses to the people asking the questions, so my familiarity with Ileke-Idi and Desola led me to respond in an unprofessional manner. I forgot that our exchange was being scrutinized by more sensitive folks. I would also like apologize on behalf of my impolite and unprofessional moderators, because I am to blame for allowing them to be impolite and unprofessional. In the future, we will try to work on ourselves in order to become more polite and professional in the way we communicate. Thanks.

@cyrexx: That's an impressive list. How long did it take to develop it?

Ileke-IdI:
Stop sending me notifications, doesnt matter if I visit or not.

Is there a way to stop the notifications?

Currently, there are 2 good ways:
(1) Visit Nairaland every day with your username. (2) Stop visiting Nairaland with your username.
I'm yet to get any legitimate complaint.

Why does it matter if Mr_Anony was ever an atheist?

Uyi Iredia: As I have previously said in this thread, matter lacks morality. The probleM with the materialisM of
atheists is that there is currently ŊO̶̷̩̥̊͡ satisfiable explanation as τ̅☺ how the huMan brain evolved the ability τ̅☺ make moral values. The thing is even the current explanations given fail   two accounts: D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ presume the existence of morality given the constititution of D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ brain and D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ try τ̅☺ tie what is actually abstract (ie morality) τ̅☺ specific events. I think ‎​Ȋ̝̊̅† should be clear τ̅☺ the enquiring mind that morality is a product of the human mind and if we are τ̅☺ ask ourselves where the human mind coMes from we can reasonably conclude that ‎​Ȋ̝̊̅† is the product of an non-contingent intelligent being (ie God). The reason for inferring this is because we know that the huMan mmind is iyself contingent eg ‎​Ȋ̝̊̅† needs a brain, needs τ̅☺ mature etc. What's most important τ̅☺ note is what I hold τ̅☺ be axioMatic: Matter lacks morality.

We have illustrated how morality developed, and how it has certainly evolved over time. Societies embraces values and ideals that lead to more prosperity, and children are taught to embrace those values when they are young and impressionable. Those who reject the values are punished and those who embrace them are allowed to thrive. That's what morality is all about. We label certain things as immoral because if they are widely practiced, society would be worse off.. Morality is not a rigid standard. It is flexible and most moral values are not universal. Acts like murder and rape are universally considered to be morally wrong while other acts are judged differently by different cultures and religions due to the differences in the challenges that each society had to overcome over time.

Mr_Anony: No it was never in dispute. I don't see any reason why one would insist that a person is religious if such a person is not practising his/her religion

In other words, a religious person who sins is not religious? I don't think that position stands up to any scrutiny.

Jesus said anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery with her in his heart, which is a sin. Does that mean any straight Christian guy who comes across a picture or video of an attractive lady who is sexily dressed and has a normal biological desire for the woman is not religious? Any man watching a beauty pageant or a typical Hollywood movie, or who comes across a lady who is dressed to kill is not religious? Suppose the best Christian in Nigeria, Pastor E.A. Adeboye is preaching and in a moment of weakness he notices an skimpily dressed lady in his audience and likes what he sees, does that mean he is not religious?

What about lying? The bible says all liars shall be cast into hell, which means it's a sin. And yet, when people people like you are having heated arguments with atheists, you tend to tell some exaggerations, half-truths, and outright lies in the heat of the moment, just to defend the Lord. Does that mean you and others like you are not religious?

Maybe what you're saying is that a religious person ceases to be religious whenever he sins and then becomes religious again when he repents. That means at any point in time, there is no way of knowing who is religious and who is not religious. That makes the word essentially useless. Perhaps we should stick to the dictionary definition, eh?

From the reasons you gave, honesty is not of high moral value. The reasons you have given are reasons of convenience rather than principle. For instance, none of the reasons you gave will make a man insist on telling the truth even if he is going to get killed for telling it. If a person is only being honest because it is convenient, how can such a person be trusted to always tell the truth no matter what?

Nobody can be trusted to tell the truth no matter what. There is no way of differentiating between the rare species of "good Christian" and "good Muslims", who presumably always tell the truth, and the garden variety. If a person claims to be a Christian, or a Muslim, you have no reason to trust his/her word any more than you would trust an atheist or agnostic's words, because he/she may not be a "true Christian" or "true Muslim". So there's no reason to believe that people who claim to be religious are more trustworthy than atheists or agnostics, because there is no way of knowing for sure that they are "truly" religious.

Personally, I think telling the truth in every situation isn't necessarily a good idea. There are situations where it's arguably more moral to lie. Suppose a little Christian child is about to die, and his/her sole consolation is the hope that he/she would be going to heaven. Even as an atheist, I don't think that would be a good time to tell her the truth. If he/she asks me about heaven, I'll say "yes, it's real"

Suppose you're trying to smuggle bibles into a country where Christians are being rounded up and killed. And the customs officer at the border asks you if you're carrying any contraband. If you say yes, or refuse to answer, you will be searched, the bibles will be found and burnt, and you would be killed. Hundreds of souls that could have been saved would be lost. Would you be honest and say yes? Or say no to further the gospel?

ULSHERLAN: I replied based on the information in this thread. Since she was molested, it makes no sense for the molester to request for mouth action not like the idea of molesting is cool.

It makes no sense to rape a girl, and therefore I think it makes no sense to expect a senseless bunch of molesters to be sensible.

@truthislight:
You have claimed that a "slave" in the new testament is more-or-less a hired labourer or employee rather than a piece of property to be bought and sold and forced to do whatever his/her owner wants him to do. Can you explain the following bible verses, then?

"Because the patriarchs were jealous of Joseph, they sold him as a slave into Egypt. But God was with him" - Acts 7:9
They sold him into ... Hired labor? Employment? How does a person get sold into a voluntary job?

"You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings." - 1 Corinthians 7:23
If a slave is simply a hired labourer or servant, why is it bad to become a slave? Is it wrong for a Christian to be employed?

"We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?” - John 8:33
What does "we have never been slaves" mean. Does it mean they had never been employed? And why are they implying that a person who needs to be freed must be a slave? If slaves in the new testament are voluntary labourers, why do they need to be "set free"?

ULSHERLAN: Why would u want mouth action from someone you wanna rape

Why would you want to rape someone in the first place?

We want people to like posts because they are genuinely good, and not because they want to tickle the poster's ego or get the poster to date them. That's why we never released this feature even after we developed it. We consider the discovery of this feature to be a serious breach of privacy, and we apologize to those who may have been embarrassed when their likes were de-anonymized. We should have known that it would be discovered eventually, and in fact, we did, but we were lazy.

The supermoderator who posted this leak to the home page instead of blocking it and reporting it has been suspended from super-moderating, because we are deeply concerned about that person's sense of judgment. That person has been doing a great job, but we do not know what possessed him/her this evening.

Dear Obinoscopy, thanks for your initiative. To shed more light on the issue, every moderator is expected to submit a thread from his section for home page consideration every day. We have two moderators in this section, so you can expect at least 2 threads from the job section on the home page every day.

Uyi Iredia: I won't read. You answer the question. How did the brain get the reasoning ability that allows it to apprehend morality ?

Moral thinking has evolved over time. In bible times, slavery was deemed to be acceptable, which is why it was not condemned even in the new testament. (Looking at a woman's boobies? Sin! Enslaving your fellow man? That's ok). But nowadays, most people see slavery as a serious and unacceptable crime against humanity. Our moral thinking on slavery has evolved.

I think Morality is a result of people thinking about what kind of society they'd rather live in.

Murder is considered morally wrong because no one wants to live in a world where anyone you meet can kill you at anytime without consequences. You cant make long term plans to improve your life if you know you could be killed at any time. As a result, societies that forbid murder and punish murderers harshly have thrived.

Adultery is considered morally wrong because no man wants to devote his life to the care of a woman's children if he is not sure that the children belong to him. Societies that enforce marital faithfulness by punishing adultery have thrived because men in such societies are motivated to participate in the care and nurturing of children.

The problem with bible-based morality is that the bible's morality is 2,000 years old. People who insist on basing their morality on ancient books can't evolve their morality very much, despite the fact that we know a lot of things that the writers of those ancient books didn't know, which should enable us to make better decisions about what should be considered morally wrong.

From your signature, I can see that you're a Christian. Which religion do your parents practice? I'm just curious.

Let me break it down.

If you visit the forum every day, you won't get any notification.

If you never visit the forum, you won't get any notification.

If you stop visiting the forum after being a regular visitor,
you will get just one notification to remind you that Nairaland is still there for you.

Most Nairaland regulars have not received a notification e-mails in months,
so I don't understand why someone like Desola would have a problem with notifications.

Desola: Oam4J,

Please can you tell me how to de-activate topic notifications to my email?

Many thanks.

Our notification system is optimally designed. You won't get notification emails if you visit the forum daily or never visit the forum.

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