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Well, this really should not be a big deal as to form a thread; but hey - we can have fun sometimes, yes??

goodguy:
Shahan a female?

Yep, the truth's out at last - thanks to that spoilergreat babe, trini_girl! 

goodguy:
I was just telling my friend, ope_emi just now that your posts are reminiscent of mlks_baby's posts, just after discovering that you are a female;

I had tried so hard to not sound anything like her. . . alas!! But when she started laughing her head off on the phone, I was dug in my guts!

goodguy:
. . .and that no one would have guessed mlks_baby too was a female if not because she has always had her gender revealed right from the onset.

In retrospect, she thought it would've been great to not have kept it well tucked away; but from the onset she made a silly mistake - she used our brother's username to enter Nairaland when she was playing a name game she liked so much.

goodguy:
Shortly after, I saw where you posted that she is your sister.

She threatened that if I didn't own up she would login and expose the game plan!

goodguy:
Your parents must be really lucky to have daughters like you o!

Well, is this where I should clear my throat and blow some trumpet. . . lol?? Anyhow, we're proud of them, really. My dad had been converted two years but didn't let us know. It was when he took us to Australia for Christmas at the end of the second year, that my mum started asking questions. A year later she had given her life to Christ, and the rest of us were left wondering, "So, what now??" Above all, great parents they are - and they never pushed us into anything.

goodguy:
So who's older? You or mlks_baby?

Erm. . . lol. I'll leave you to guess that one!
Maybe if the question was, "Who's more radical?" I'd be quick to say "yours truly!!"

goodguy:
BTW, why's she no longer active here on Nairaland?

She's away to school studying Law.

goodguy:
P. S. Sorry I had to create a topic on this. I couldn't help it.

You did a sensible thing!

goodguy:
But omo, I'm still shocked o! Even your posts on "Should Women Preach" is enough to make one surprised, considering the fact that you weren't misinterpreting the scriptures to suit your own agenda.

Well, fortunately we had the gift of a very good background - good parents, good mentors, good boyfriends (which we have sadly lost), good education in prestigious universities, a good admin on Nairaland. . . and good pastors who take no nonsense from us.

goodguy:
God bless you brother sister!

Tee-hee-hee!!. . . or is it bbrruuuhhaaahhhaaaahhhaaaaa!!!??

goodguy:
*murmuring to myself* shahan a female?

PS. the name shahan is actually a male Armenian name meaning "profit-maker." But I guess even that could not have fooled the woman with the brain power

@belloti,

I understand your point, no vex. Me and you at our own level, we can yarn just about anything, slap each other and let it pass with good smiles, trust me!

But how do I discuss publicly affecting issues like Islam especially with Muslims and not mention the Rasul? Even more to the point, how do I begin to understand that the things he did and taught are not grievous, but are to be euphemized in political cosmetics? Sometimes, I just feel like posting the relevant texts without commentary and let others fill in the gaps. Either way, the one you call rasul is not what you think he is in reality.

Lol, Typewriter. . rofl!!

davidylan:
Allah is probably hanging out with his own 72 virgins!

No worship in heaven! poor allah!

. . .

It would require a huge faith to believe they're the same. On the one hand, one writes more coherent sentences than the other; but on the other hand. . . anything can happen on NL!!

belloti:
In Islam there is no worship in heaven and these semblance of luxurious life you mention is not even close to what abound in paradise

At th very least, you're being sincere about what you've been told in Islam. But to presume that there is no worship in heaven is a very serious ideology that has its roots way back in the sensual career of Muhammad. This raises a few questions:

1. If there is no worship in heaven, what are the angels doing now? What would the angels be doing in the here after - having sex and rollicking in liquor?

2. If there is no worship in heaven, what would your *allah be doing at that time? _{I forbid the very thought of even suggesting it!}

3. If there is no worship in heaven, what is the difference that makes from hell?

4. If there is no worship in heaven, on what basis are men to have sex with multiplied number of virgins in heaven - on the basis of marriage, temporary marriage, fornication, incest, or pure prostitution?

Now, let's chance upon a definition of rollicking (as you mentioned earlier):
              "to move or behave in a carefree joyous manner"
              "to have fun, especially in a loud, rowdy way"

. . .therefore:

5. If there is no worship in heaven, what does that say about the *allah of Islam?

Are you still sure there is no worship in heaven, or you would like a second chance to rethink your position?

@Genial, many thanks and God's blessings.

Lol, @mrpataki. . .

Some of you guys really don't know what women married to muslim men face in the UK. How many cases have been on the news about Muslim men abducting their daughters, albeit only very few of these cases actually reach the news:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,1860417,00.html

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article2026801.ece

Not all muslim men actually do this; but that the case is common at all says volumes.

@all,

Many thanks for pointing out the heat of my passion. As trini_girl has pointed out, any true former Muslim who has spent her days groping in darkness and has now come to see the light in Jesus Christ will be radically opposed to what held her previously bound. What I really don't appreciate is the lies, lies, and more lies that people will use to cover up the obvious, dubious career of Muhammad. The so-called tolerance many ask Christians to exude does not exist anywhere in Islamic culture - and even on this forum, it shows.

Grouppoint & Genial, my sincere apologies if in the course of being ministered to, you found some of my rejoinders to Muslims a bit skewed. In that regard, while reassuring you that I have no joy in seeing them wallow in the dark, I think gbade.x really understood me, as I've severally explained elsewhere that I'm not xenophobic towards Muslims. Rather, my angst is against Islam itself and I'm not apologetic about that.

I'm a rational being able to appreciate people and welcome good sense. But when someone pedantically presents himself as a retard and hopes to get away with his R-IQ at being abusive to any and everyone, shahan will take no nonsense from such and ask them to kindly scurry back to their holes.

There are other Muslims on the Forum who have enough sense to be people; and I've severally shown my appreciation to them. When this JJC of Ibadan is ready to evolve to the status of homosapiens, he'll find me a very pleasant discussant on any issue. If he chooses otherwise, he should expect to meet with someone whose IQ he can't match in any decade.

I've not stopped praying for him regardless of his so-called "curses"; and at the same time want to register my thanks to you all for your grace and concern.

Many blessings.  

belloti:
Heaven is much more than just sex. But then sex is an essential part of our life and we can't shy away from it. Heaven is about abundance and affluence. Its about having everything you ever wish for. Its about wining, dining and rollicking. Its the ultimate state of happinness.

Aauuuwww goodness gracious!!

Is that what you're hoping for in the hereafter - caldrons of liquor and damsels to attend your base pleasures??

Well, since you modified yours above, here's what I think: rascals and R-IQs don't need to be treated with the same slobbering mentality they exhibit. You could do one thing, though: ignore my lines if you think they're too piqued for your taste, and let those who started the wahala be served their own syrup for their malady.



_{. . . it doesn't mean you're not a gentleman because of Islam}. 

Nne trini,

I've still not recovered from your feminine foresight of last night to have guessed my gender at just one instance, but. . . that's the stuff ladies are made of: intuition, abi?? 

As for that JJC of Ibadan, he's not worth the attention he's seeking. Whatever is his malady surely must be allergic to ladies whose IQ sets him on reverse. In retrospect, he seems to provide a bit of hilarious sport every morning. . . and I can't wait for his next episode of another bbrruuuuuuhhaaaahhhaaaa!!

I see your point, erudite belloti.

It's just as effective as I replied your lines - just stating my own opinion about your misconception. Nowhere is your concept substantiated except, of course, you just had to make an unsubstantiated opinion that is tangential to the topic.

@belloti,

If for anything sake you think I made a wrong choice by becoming a Christian, that says a lot about where you guys are coming from. How in heaven's name could anyone even dare to defend the atrocities of Muhammad under the face of human morality, let alone that he came in the name of religion?

There's no need for you to be disappointed - no sane person with an iota of a moral conscience will take the crap and lies that Muhammad propagated to people who know no better, and I'll just advise that you take off your religious goggles and see things exactly as they are before it is too late.

Yep, that's why we've severally appealed to him to take care of his reverse-intelligence-quotient, R-I-Q.

You mean the version of the convenient state of mind that the Quraish prophet taught you?

Lol, was just about saying that!

@babs787,

Lol. . . what coherent sentence have you made in your rejoinder? I'm still here anytime you choose to grow up and neatly outline your concerns.

islampride:
is a son made or born?
when tupac said he is a made nigga, people raised eyebrows, buthe was a rapper so it was understandable.

This is how Muslims reason - far-fetched illusions that do not even help Islam one bit. If asked what significance it bears to the present discussion, this is the typical backdoor excuse:

islampride:
but we r now talkin on what the salvation of about 2billion people in the world and the hereafter depend, so we shouldnt take chances.

There's always got to be a "but" somewhere in an unfinished Islamic apology.

Even when we talk about the salvation of billions of souls, is the polytheistic paganism on the pages of the Qur'an not as clear as the noon-day? How can we take chances with a self-confessed sinner, pedophile, leader of marauding brigand, and murderer?

islampride:
i think u have to really think about it. falsehood has no two names, it is always falsehood.
thanks.

One doesn't have to think hard on this one - the falsehood in Islam has only one face: 'Falsehood with a capital F.' 

islampride:
plus u need to go down some history lane to really understand what the divinity of jesus means.it wasnt something that came when he was alive or some few years after him,but many years after.

Capital falsehood again! Is this the reason why Muhammad was afraid to make any reference to the prophets Isaiah, Micah, Zechariah and Jeremiah - all of whom spoke of the deity of Jesus Christ centuries before He came to earth? Is this why Muslims are so scared to read the Psalms of David in the Bible even though *allah in the Qur'an claims to have revealed them to David? Falsehood has no two faces; but yours fly in every direction like the spokes of a bicycle tyre.

islampride:
we know how many meetings were held, how many protests wee held, how many people were burnt just to establsih the deity of a noble and pious man.

Another falsehood that you can't defend? Let me humour you for the moment: please cut and paste what you believe to be the history that you pander about.

islampride:
so let me leave it like this, i hope shahan learns somethings about herfaith here. wowwwww.

Told you before: keep reading and you'll be schooled enough to see the glory of Jesus Christ, the God of the whole earth! 

@islampride,

islampride:
i m confused,

I know - your smaller-than-a-peanut-brain is too low to catch the gist in my lines. Let's see if another 15 years will be enough to school you up.

islampride:
shahan, thanks, i made a mistake fool, it was noah and not abraham, when he got down from the ark,

This is the most hilarious line of the year!
Trying ever so hard to knot yourself between issues and then coming back claiming you made a mistake. Now who's the fool - does it not show how very reversed your IQ is?

Havila:
@Babyosisi, Davidylan, Shahan,
Hi guys, just came across this 'goat' of Ibadan called islampride; you should not be surprised at his anti-intellectual, motor-park-tout use of language or curses. . . .

So, let him keep on cursing himself; but we will bless him and he will heap the hot coals of fire upon his own head. But we will tell the truth that has been ordained before the begining of ages and is now revealed to us, the saints of Gods. Let's keep on showing them the truth, the way and the life; and keep on exposing the works of devil called Islam.

You just said it, bro!

muske:
ve noticed most of your thread that something is missing "upstairs". most of your threads are based on copying, lifting and pasting from another link. now lets get straight to business. i owe you no apology for my tone because you deserve more than. if you are really up to the task, lets open a thread and you with a question and myself a question too and we slug it out there, you and i only without any third party.

Please let me know when the thread is open. I guarantee my presence will be registered there to match your pretended scholarship.

Great! Perhaps you would to like post a sequel "Why Nigerian Women Are Turning To Christ".

Shahan is happy to leave the idolatory called Islam - and nothing is changing that.

islampride:
i m fed up with every crazy christian in here telling me they have an islamic background. liars, prove it.\stop lying please
it's all luies and even if true, who taught u islam? a pastor?lol.
get a life shahan.

@islampride,

I knew that was meant for me, and no worries if you hadn't typed my name at the end. You may have issues with me, but it doesn't take a dot away from my peace as a Christian. You only manage to prove yourself a restless soul on every thread you've visited - is that why you're irate that I left Islam that is meant only for retards like you?

I have a life now - in Jesus Christ: and thank God I don't have to "prove" my Islamic background for your brigands to seek my life with Muhammad's dagger.

@islampride,

islampride:
another curse on your wretched soul. lol,lol,lol

We know who has a restless soul by the slobbers that he vomits; and from all indications, your malady still hasn't been cured. See what Islam is doing to you, poor thing.

islampride:
what else will show your ignorance if not your last post here?
u know what? u will never know islam, if those that teach you're christians,(G.j.o Moshay and other fanatics). i learnt christianity from christians.

I don't wish to know Islam any more than it shows on you - if this is the example you have from Muhammad. Your dubious claim notwithstanding, G.J.O Moshay happens to be a fanatic because he whipped Islam open in a politically in[/b]correct manner for you guys that all you come back with is the glaring exposure of your R-I-Q (Reverse Intelligence Quotient).

islampride:
now to the concept we!
i don't know if you're a yoruba. if u are, when the oba [b]seizes the property of a subject, he ays ' a gbe ese le', meaning we have confiscated it.

This is not new, and it's a perfect example of what Muhammad's brigand were known for - seize other people's property, "confiscate it", raid and rape others. . . and proclaim "WE" did it all in the name of his idol *allah.

islampride:
shahan, WE as found in the Quran is nothig other than the royal WE. UHMN.
And this is even seen in the english language now(y.k.yussuf prof, OAU inaugural lecture,2006)

First go and ask Y.K. Yussuf if he could also use the concept of WE in cases of creation, prayer and worship.

Anyone with a brain half the size of a peanut can see that what I pointed out with respect to the plural pronouns in the Qur'an is indicative of jinn speaking separately from the chief idol *allah. I guess your brain is smaller than a peanut for you to have missed it. There is no excuse for your *allah to have used WE, US and OUR if he stands alone and is not to be compared to anything else. That he infact does so only proves that he lowers himself to the status of the jinn, and therefore is no better than a jinni. You obviously can't reason for yourself, and that is why you characteristically substitute rascality for IQ.

islampride:
and this your ishaq reference, what does it mean? i can't understand, nothing like that exists in islam.

Keep fooling yourself - I thought you knew Islam that much that you didn't need to learn it from the fanatics (GJO Moshay et al)?? What group of fanatics have been hiding that from you all the years of your idolatory?

islampride:
haha, shahan, do u go to church at all?
firstly, nothing of your lying ishaq reference exists in islam.
2. we know that the person that encouraged lying is none other than your God,paul who said u why wont he lie to propagate the work of the lord.

You make a very lousy disciple of those who taught you Christianity, according to your claim earlier. No Christian ever recognized Paul as God, and your cheap lie here is washing off quickly. As for Ishaq, your denial only shows your limited knowledge of your idolatory.

islampride:
and after bringing all your arguments to dust, when will u learn simple arithmetic?

Applauding yourself already - with cheap interjections, flawed constructs, reverse-IQ and jagged typos? Is this what Islam is doing to you, or you're just exhibiting the illiteracy of Muhammad??

islampride:
1+1+1=3,dummie.
another curse on your wretched soul.

In your Quraish arithmetics, we are still unclear how 15/12 = 1. And regarding the jinn who equalled the chief idol of Islam (*allah), there are an unspecified number of them running anywhere from 3 to 300.

As for your curses, your *allah is a cheap demon that was unable to save Muhammad at the end of his career; and what he has left you are the curses you keep spewing that will only come back to you and do more harm. "As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come" (Prov. 26:2). Your chief idol *allah is a wasted demon that is unable to stand the power of the name of Jesus Christ.

Lol, muki. . . nevermind, I still have you in my prayers

Next we shall be examining the testimony of the other apostles on Jesus deity.

That's precisely what follows now:

The Testimony of the Apostles on the Deity of Jesus

Regardless the various translations and versions of the Bible, the collective testimony of Scripture shows that the apostles had the revelation of Jesus as very God Himself in His essence. This testimony was carefully preserved in all their ministry in the various contexts where they discoursed the work and Person of Jesus Christ. It is a mystery that no human lanuage adequately captures, but which nonetheless holds true, such as birthed the exultation we read of in I Tim. 3:16 - "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." The import of the clause 'God was manifest in the flesh' points to Jesus as deity come in the flesh - the revealed truth which all divinely inspired prophets of the OT have variously referenced.

First, let's take a look at the OT prophecies of His deity, and then come back to the NT to see the revelation on this subject.

God Manifest in Flesh. . .

Two of the clearest references to the Lord Jesus being God manifest in flesh are Isaiah 9:6 and Micah 5:2 (of course, there are others).

"For unto us a child is born" says the prophet, "and unto us a son is given: the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." The One who is deity (God) would be born as Human, whose name shall be called "The Mighty God"! For those who think that this is a reference to a mere title, Isaiah's prophecy refutes that indeed - he says the Mighty God is "His NAME" (not title)!

Micah furnishes us with the revelation of His eternal existence: "whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." The One who steps into time has infact been from eternity (same word as 'everlasting'). Existing as God without a reference point of measurement in time or space, yet in the fullness of time appointed by divine prerogative, He came in the flesh as the Man Jesus Christ. Even under intense suffering, blessed Job captures this revelation so well that no careful reader could miss it: "For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God" (Job 19:25-26).

. . .As the Redeemer

The significance of this is multiplex. The OT prophets had variously proclaimed that the Redeemer would come as the divine Saviour; and for them there were no two divine "saviours" but only One. In no uncertain terms, Israel's prophets knew this Redeemer to be the LORD God Himself: "As for our Redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel" (Isa. 47:4); and, "Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with Him is plenteous redemption; And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities" (Psa.130:7-8). The LORD affirmed this revelation by declaring: ". . .thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob" (Isa. 60:16).

What is even more remarkable is that this Redeemer-Saviour would come in flesh, as a Man, in absolute Humanity. The Psalmist encapsulated this revelation in Psa. 49:7-8, alluding to the value of the true Sacrifice: "None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever." The value of the Ransom that avails for eternity is predicated on the worthiness of the One who gives it. As no man was worthy or qualified on account of having been tainted by iniquity (Psa. 51:5), there was only One who could truly provide that ransom - God Himself. This is why Isaiah 9:6 proclaims His incarnation centuries before the prophecy was fulfilled - "unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given". In that verse, the One who is the Mighty God is presented to us as a Child, a Son!

Even much earlier, God Himself was the first to declare the prophecy of His incarnation in Gen. 3:15 - the Seed of the woman who was to bruise the head of Satan, that old Serpent. The whole of humanity was in the grip of a fallen nature up until Christ, which in one sentence was simply this: "in Adam all die" (I Cor. 15:22). However, when the Son of God became flesh and was to be born as the Man Jesus Christ (John 1:14), the angels described Him as "that Holy thing" (Luke 1:35), pointing to the revelation that He was not under the grip of the fallen nature as the rest of the human race.

The great revelation of the New Testament is the incarnation of the Son of God. Many who have been troubled about the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ can rest assured that this is not a new idea of the dozen men who followed the Nazarine in the first century; neither was it a doctrine made up to elevate Jesus to godhood in the Nicene Council in the 3rd century. The deity of the Son of God had been well established in the OT prophets before the first advent. The remarkable thing about the Incarnation is the weight of confession it brings to our hearts; for we are drawn to see Him in His deity, and proclaim with the prophet in Isa. 54:5:

"For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called"

Yes, for verily, Jesus is the God of the whole earth!

Lord willing, we'll next gather the harvest of Jesus Deity in the New Testament.

May the God of the whole earth richly bless you.