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@muske,

muske:
shan,
you really showed your ignorant state. you are now comparing mathew, luke etc down to revelation having known that they are riddled with fantasies.

Anyone who carefully reads the twisted tales of Muhammad in the Qur'an should feel sorry for you, muske. Your *allah chose to lower his dignity to the syllables of those idols by which Muhammad swore; and in your characteristic Islamic slant, reason deserted you for a moment to fail to realise the idolatory behind those names.

muske:
i thought u have this thing upstairs, but your medula , has been eaten up thereby giving u no room to think.

It's easy: just because you have crossed-eyeballs in your sockets doesn't make you the wiser, my dear!

muske:
you are confused at the names of the chapters, why not include women, table spread etc,

The names of the chapters quoted are the very ones by which Muhammad swore like the pagan idolaters of his day, thank you.

muske:
why not do yourself good by going throug the verse and deduce the origin of the chapters rather than acting like thomas.

Going through the verses is exactly what I have done - and that's the result up there, unless you've been reading another book upside down.

davidylan:
- the question is not about the presence or absence of a God. The real question is Who is that God and do you honestly know Him?

Apt!

@luckyCO,

No question is one too many; so welcome with as many as you have - other Christians who are more mature than me can take them up where I fail. I'll only do the littel I can.

It's really sad that leaders in some of the churches have their focus on such activities that are expressly condemned in God's Word. Some hold onto such experiences, either out of ignorance, or pride and a claim to super-spirituality.

As I said earlier, the aim of such spirits is to captivate the hearts and minds of the recipients, so that they become more dependent on those ghosts and spirits and less focused on the living Christ and the revelation of His Word.

Now, with respect to the elder, he may be sincere; but it sounds like he has become more dependent on the spirit visiting him at specific times of the night under the guise of his late father. In the face of such a situation, it may be very difficult for you to persuade him otherwise; but as in some other such cases, the power of the enemy has been borken by the prayers of concerned believers.

Two things I can recommend: (1) be sure that if he preaches or teaches, his messages ought not be based on anything the ghost says, but rather on what the Word of God expressly declares. If that is the case, such is not meant for you; (2) if you feel led by God's Spirit that you're under a questionable environment in that church, you should seek His leading to where He wants you to be.

Perhaps when I'm less busy this weekend, then I'll share with you a bit more about the sphere and operations of the spirits of the departed. For now, God bless and keep you.

The new entrants ayinba1 and tinu16 just make me laugh. Can you please get real for crying out loud? What have you said about your own muslim apologists who go to Christian threads and post their garboil? No, you had nothing to say. . . but come here hiding under a pretended morality to praise the same R-IQs for their rascally floaters.

ayinba1:
If your hearts were secure in that which you worship, you needed not have come to this particular post.

Please get real and grow up. Are the hearts of your own apologists secure that they go to threads with Christian concers and post their incoherences? Besides, what's with all these segrated ceremonies and jitters you're calling for?

MIA (Missing In Action) - when did Gwaine appear that I missed him?

@8oracle,

Have you really thought about the meaning of that appellation: the Son of God? Do you really know what it means?

@belloti,

As a "conservative" Muslim with a liberal mindset, your claim is flawed by the very fact that, there's nothing more important an issue for many male Muslims to look forward to in Jannah.

The jihadist expects nothing more important than 72 virgins; several important Islamic figures also stress the reward of sex and frolicking in jannah. So, this complaint of yours bears no substance, for the very simple reason that most of the muslim guys here have pushed that to the forefront (uncle engr Olabowale??).

Lol, he should empty the bottle and come back drooling with saliva. . . soon he'll be cured.

@belloti,

If you are in search for that God "somewhere" whom we must all worship dilligently and with all sincerity, then understand that you will never find Him as long as you ignore the question of who actually is Jesus Christ.

That you may have the misconception that Christianity is shrouded in some kind of complex dogma shows you haven't taken the time to examine the claims of Christ Himself, and you're basing all judgement solely on what little of the Qur'an you understand. There's no ambiguity in Christianity except the ones people want to make for themselves.

belloti:
lets discard all these sweet fantacies about christ being this or being that, what about us? what are we? We were all born humans before decided to go on our respective ego rides and critical evaluation of others who feel or think differently from us.

There are no fancies about Christ, I assure you. If anyone has the guts, they should pick up the Bible and ask themselves: what really did the Bible say about Christ before Muhammad came denying those very claims?

You really can't go round this issue; and as long as Islam has no answer for the root of man's problems (the sinful heart), then it really can't provide what it doesn't have.

Cheers.

@islampride,

So many people have described you as a motorpark tout - so who are the "everybody" that can see you're such a loser? You don't even have the dignity of a coherent statement; and if that reverse-civility is what Islam is all about, good point I got out!

As for the points you're dribbling here and there, I'll still say it: Muhammad was a marauding thief; a leader of a rapacious brigand; the champion of Arabic pedophilia; an instigator of refined Quraish paganism with a polytheistic twist; and the errand-boy of the chief idol *allah.

Come back for more if your malady is uncured.

Even Seun knows that one.

@belloti,

Please take a few moments and reflect on your own submission without the usual Islamic eschathology.

belloti:
The issue of worship in Islam is very clear. The lord said " La Khalaqatal Jinnu wal Insu Illa Li ya a budun". The Jinns and Humans were not created for anything but to Worship Allah. Life on earth is about worship and infidelity.

First, if the Jinn and Humans were created for the sole purpose of worshipping *Allah, why does that purpose change into something else (sex and liquor) far less than worship? And then again, if there is no worship in heaven, does that mean the jinn with *allah did not even worship him at any one time in heaven??

belloti:
You ve got the right to choose what you want, you ve got freewill. If you choose to serve God on earth, you shall be rewarded with Heaven in the hereafter and you choose to be infidel and follow the desire of your flesh you shall also meet your punishment in the Hell fire (Jahannama). The Lord said "Wa man ya amal mis qala zarratin khairan yara hu, wa man ya amal mis qala zarratin sharran yarahu."

Again, if you worship *Allah and not follow the desires of the flesh on earth, what sense does it make that the same *allah will reward you with the desires of the flesh in heaven?

belloti:
The Angels of God were created for a life of service to the Lord. And the Lord doesnt need all these indulgence that makes you go wild. The Lord is above all things.

Good to know that "the Lord doesn't need all these indulgence that makes you go wild." Question: if he has no need of them, does he take pleasure of making his worshippers go wild with the same indulgences in heaven?

@belloti,

I quite understand where you're coming from. However, there's something our Muslim friends have failed to see - that is, the condition of the human heart as affected by sin. No good deed (Loving, Caring, Trustworthy, Honest, Disciplined, etc) is ever going to renovate the intrinsic nature of sinful man without the redeeming work of a Saviour.

Have you ever wondered why the Rasul struggled with sin? You and I know for a certain that, not only was he self-confessed as a sinner, but that also he confessed to turning in repentance in such a degree that goes over the top. What then is the benefit derived from the word "Islam" as peace if the Rasul himself did not have a conscience and heart at peace with righteousness? If a good standing with the Almighty sin-hating God is predicated on merely good deeds, then Islam is no different from the multiplied religions of the world that do the same.

I enjoy the peace and calm exuded in your rejoinders; but much more than that, it's my honest hope and prayer that you and many others will consider the free gift of salvation in the sinless Saviour - the Lord Jesus Christ! The gift of His grace truly goes to the root of man's problems: the sinful nature. It is not only deeds that need to be taken care of; more than that is the source of our deeds - the sin in our hearts.

That is what Christ came to deal with, so that we might truly be set free and come to know the love of God to man. If you'd only ask Him, you'll  find that you're only seconds away from the most wonderful prospect of life! May it be yours.

Salaam, and with it a hug.

texazzpete:
I wonder how many of them who bad-mouth the Bible have actually bothered to read it?

Precisely the point. And not to be guilty of the same allegation, even after becoming a Christian, I re-read the Qur'an along with the Hadith. there's no way a consciencious soul would defend Muhammad's claim as a prophet. More to come.

I have my pet suspicion as well - could be the same R-IQ signing in to praise himself!

@lafile,

Certainly, the chronological arrangement of the Sura of the Qur'an shows that there are several speakers of varying degrees. The Islamic mindset will deny this in order to protect the religion from anything that questions its authenticity as truly of God. Islamic scholars, however, are not all agreed as to the order the chronology should assume; and this concern is one of the reasons for the various denominations in Islam.

As for the violence, hatred and sexual perversions, you will not find any muslim claiming any such idea as imbeded or remotely suggested in the Qur'an. If you do, that would be a very queer "Muslim" indeed. However, Muhammad's rejection of the paganistic worship of the Arabs, and consequently their opposition to his claims of prophethood, are the two most important factors that gave rise to violence, hatred and sexual perversion.

This is not so conspicuous when reading the Qur'an in its present arrangement of Sura. However, it becomes obvious when one consults the Hadith (aḥādīth) and examines the career of Muhammad as a 'prophet'. And that is why you probably have heard the cliche: 'one muslim doesn't fit all' - pointing to the fact that most muslims do not trust the Hadith as a reliable source for understanding the message of the Qur'an.

Bottomline: indeed, as stated in your enquiry, the case is just to the point.

Hi @lafile,

Familiar spirits include demons who particularly assume the identity of well-known people in a locality, as well as effectively help the work of enchanters and wizards. These group of spirits are not to be confused with diabolical spirits that undertake other demonic activities - such as demon possession or spirits of afflictions.

The ghosts of dead people are familiar spirits as well; but the term "familiar spirits" is broader than just ghosts, and is especially used for the range of spirits that wizards and enchanters employ in their trade, especially when dealing with the dark underworld of the dead.

Lev. 19:31 - Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Deut. 18:11 - Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Isa. 8:19 - And when they say to you, "Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter," should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?

May God keep you close to Himself, and bless all your days!

@belloti,

Your persuasions about sex in the celestial realms only shows you have no spiritual inclination. From your previous submissions, you give the idea that promiscuity is the order of the day in your jannah following the Yaum al-Qiyamah (the Day of Resurrection). It just doesn't make sense, and infact speaks volumes about the mindset of the deity being worshipped in Islam - *allah.

^^ Have you thought about the implications of your persuasions?

^^ Or, such kind of ideology only appeals to you because you cannot discount sex in heaven?

^^ Does it then mean that if in reality there is no sex in heaven, Islam would have been a total waste of time, intellect, moral conscience, lives, and the future of both the jihadists, innocent damsels and young boys reserved for such appetites?

Lol, said you had the best line ever, trini!

Hi TayoD,

I'm still very interested in your views on Heb. 9:27 and I Sam. 28. We are all learning and I trust that, perhaps, your insight might help me see what I might have missed.

Cheers.

@luckyCO,

First, out of curiosity, I just hope you don't have experiences of seeing the spirits of the departed. But if and when you do, here are some recommendations:

luckyCO:
How should I react or behave or believe on when I see a spirit of person that has died(Ghost)?

There's no need to be alarmed. The Bible makes clear that as the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ draws even closer, the activities of demonic and seducing spirits will increase (I Tim. 4:1). Some of these spirits assume the form of people well-known in a locality (whether friends or family relations), and are very familiar with events about the very person they imitate.

Their characteristic activity is to bring a message, whether good or bad; and the aim behind that activity is primarily to make the recipient of such messages dependent on the diabolic realms from which they operate. Of course, we know that the prince of the diabolic realms is Satan himself; and he is ever busy seeking whom to devour.

In God's New Covenant for Christians, no such spirits are permitted to visit or bear messages to blood-bought believers. The only spirits expressly assigned by God for that purpose are the angels who stand in His presence ('ministering spirits' - Heb. 1:14). From the onset when God called a people to Himself, He expressly forbade such activities among His people and regarded them as an abomination among several others (consulting with familiar spirits and necromancy - Deut. 18:10-12).

If at all a believer sees a ghost or spirit of the departed, he or she should not be alarmed; but rather focus on the Lord Jesus Christ and His word. Those spirits know the presence of Jesus; but until a believer consciously affirms and walks in the authority of Christ over such activity, diabolical spirits can assume any form of a familiar person known to the recipient, and then try to engage them in pretentious errands.

luckyCO:
Again is it God's plan that somebody that will die and be coming out inform of spirit wearing white cloth or likes?

No, God has no such plan for those who know His Son Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

The foregoing does not mean to say that familiar spirits never attempt to engage the believer - they do, and are very actively seeking to distract Christians. However, these spirits also know that a well-taught believer in Jesus Christ who affirms the authority of the Lord daily in his or her life, will never fall for their surreptitious activities.

luckyCO:
Again as a xtian what should I do when I see a spirit of somebody who has died?

As above, (1) affirm the authority of Jesus Christ as Lord over all things; (2) affirm the power of His blood over demonic activities (Satan cannot challenge the power of the blood - Rev. 12:11); (3) be not alarmed, but walk daily by depending on the Holy Spirit to meet your needs.

As long as a believer is not hoping or expecting to receive any messages from familiar spirits or ghosts, even when they try to engage such Christians, their efforts are of no avail.

God bless and protect you always.

You chaps just make me laugh. Everyone knows who Muhammad is; and when some retards can't take it, they become incoherently emotional and can't make a sane sentence. That's what you call "guts and stuff" and "da man"? Are you guys that low as well??

Reflecting on the topic The Second Coming of Jesus Christ just makes me wonder how the Quraish prophet is going to stand before the King of kings to be judged.

Jesus is the God of the whole Earth!
-- Isaiah 54:5

All things were made by Him.
-- John 1:3

. . . As concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen
-- Rom. 9:5

FCmome:
hi to ol muslems!
i wnt to ask wish surrah was first brought to prophet mohammaed (s.wa.)

Hi FCmome,

I'm not a Muslim (used to be), but will share with you what we were told:

The first 5 verses of Sura 96 was believed by many to be the first of the ayat to be revealed to Muhammad. The Sura has 16 verses; but then some sources incline to Aisha's narative that the following words were the first to be revealed to the prophet:

Narrated Aishah: The first Surah of the Holy Qur`an to be revealed was ‘Read in the name of your Lord.’ [Hakim in his Al-Mustadrik and Bahaqi in Al-Dalail, a narration declared as a Sahih tradition].

However, Sura 96 is commonly held by the majority as the first of the Sura to be revealed to Muhammad.

Sallam.

@goodguy,

Truth be told: I'm dazed for the moment and need to recuperate! When I come back, lagoon will be too small for us!

Bo, Radiant my sis, i'm trying. . . just that so far I've only ended up making them. . . ehmm, ******!!

Cheers!

You mean, like when you're counting in reverse?

Nah, babyosisi. . .lol.

Haven't you heard? I half-jumped disciplines and landed in one I'm still struggling through! That's why they call me dummie!

Intelligence in our house? Haa! Leave that one for m4malik and our dad when they slug it out! Dictionary dey finish for their mouth! As for me, ignorance is bliss - and I'm enjoying it without a discount!

@Radiant,

The guys and I just want to have some time out hanging in this no-zone ("offtopic". And they don't really think I'm the most intelligent babe on Nairaland, they're just teasing me, lol.

@goodguy,

Okay, I hear you. Having taken revenge, here's my radical side now:

goodguy:
Chei!  See the way she has dissected my post.  I go do my own back.

Aiight!

goodguy:
Sure!
Oh yeah!  Thanks to her.  But wait o, I think Seun should be thanked for 'forcing' you to reveal it.

Lol, well. . . Seun is thanked, but he didn't quite force me. He sort of tickled a few of us and we simply shifted on our seats!  

goodguy:
So you mean the username, "mlks_baby" is for your brother?
Interesting!

Haha!!
Nope. mlks_baby is my sis; m4malik is my bro!

As for the other question, she has acquiesced that we keep you guys guessing at who's older - and she says to add m4malik as well!

goodguy:
Your parents were atheists?  I really think they're great though!

No, never. They were muslims as well.

goodguy:
I'm seriously thinking you're twins.  And yeah, I agree you're more radical.

Nice guess, but not quite! Maybe one of these few days she'll set her lawyer books aside and come have some fun here with mouthfulls.

goodguy:
Wonderful!  I envisage she's really going to be a great lawyer.

Unlike drop-out me!! I jumped half-way through to another discipline! See why they call me dummy??

goodguy:
Oh, I did?  _{*jumps into the lagoon*}

Yeah - and your d best!

goodguy:
Stick to your Tee-hee-hee.  The other could make anyone mistake you for a Yaba patient. _{(just kidding)}

Nope, I sometimes prefer the Yaba-patient type (in dark narrow corridors where I can't shout for help!!)   In hindsight. . . erm, perhaps Uselu in Edo State will be mmore like it!

goodguy:
Ohh. . I see.  Thanks for adding to my knowledge.  _{(Using your own words now )}

So I pass your exam, prof?? Oya, off I go to the lagoon!!

Well, na so I see am.

From just play-play. . . I took the challenge to join Nairaland, and delibertely chose an Armenian male name. Alas!!

As for female intelligence, I still have my doubts, though. This is not some fancy talk; but trust me - I read a lot of very intelligent lines from male contributors on the Forum.

babyosisi:
what about those of us that have no farms?

Oh my goodness!!