haekymbahd:
But they are 2 in 1 abi 3 in 1 abi which is God and which is not God between the 2

I wonder why Trinitarians who worship Jesus and Jehovah witness who worship Jehovah are having doctrinal clash then be deceiving yourself.....


Na your fellow colleagues talk say


No be my handwriting confused people go battle it out with your fellow Trinitarian..

Later you and your colleagues will say Jesus appeared to Abraham..

The fact is Yahwe killed, Moses killed, David Killed, even holy Jesus will get sword for mouth he will still kill in his second comming e.t.c...

I don't know who do this to you, jumping from uncompleted discussion to another. Should we now treat Trinity because I don't understand this your confusion again.

Jesus Christ is not Yahweh, Jesus Christ is Not Jehovah I still don't know how to explain this to you or do you have low IQ?

Who tell you Jesus Christ appear to Abraham? Leave Jehovah witness out of this matter and Answer the question. NAME ONE ENEMY OF JESUS CHRIST THAT WAS KILLED?

So Jesus Christ shouldn't destroy Satan? I don't know what you are claiming here but your Quran says Jesus Christ is coming back for the second time. Why confusing yourself? WHO DO YOU LIKE THIS?

Should we move away from this discussion since the question is too difficult for you to answer and move on to the teaching of Trinity?

haekymbahd:

Exodus 12

23 For the Lord will pass through to slay the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood upon the lintel and the two side posts, the Lord will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to slay you.

Who is the destroyer?

Revelation 19
Jesus on a horse

15 From His mouth goes forth a sharp sword with which He can smite (afflict, strike) the nations; and He will shepherd and control them with a staff (scepter, rod) of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath and indignation of God the All-Ruler (the Almighty, the Omnipotent).

21 And the rest were killed with the sword that issues from the mouth of Him Who is mounted on the horse, and all the birds fed ravenously and glutted themselves with their flesh.





You said Jehovah sent Moses is Jesus and Jehovah not one?

AS YOU AGREED THAT MUHAMMAD WAS A NOTORIOUS KILLER, I WANT YOU TO AGREE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS NOT A KILLER.. You don't have to dodge my question just agree that Jesus Christ is not a killer simple


I've explained Exodus 12 and Revelation 19 but you still continue quoting it for explanation, Who do you like this?

Jesus Christ is NOT Yahweh, Jesus Christ is Not Jehovah. If anybody tell you that Jesus Christ is the same Jehovah or Yahweh reject it even if the person is your imam or alfa


No where in OLD TESTAMENT you'll see Jesus Christ going up and down proclaiming the gospel, his birth was only prophesied in OT and the fulfilment of this prophesy came in NEW TESTAMENT. I've told you and will tell you again that Jehovah, Yahweh sent his wrath upon the first sons and animals that belongs to Egyptians because King Pharaoh refused and rejected to let the Israelite go.

This is another killing by muhammad


Narrated Salama bin Al-Akwa`:

"An infidel spy came to the Prophet (ﷺ) while he was on a journey. The spy sat with the companions of the Prophet (ﷺ) and started talking and then went away. The Prophet (ﷺ) said (to his companions), 'Chase and kill him.' So, I killed him." The Prophet (ﷺ) then gave him the belongings of the killed spy (in addition to his share of the war booty).


حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو نُعَيْمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الْعُمَيْسِ، عَنْ إِيَاسِ بْنِ سَلَمَةَ بْنِ الأَكْوَعِ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ أَتَى النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَيْنٌ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ وَهْوَ فِي سَفَرٍ، فَجَلَسَ عِنْدَ أَصْحَابِهِ يَتَحَدَّثُ ثُمَّ انْفَتَلَ، فَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

"‏ اطْلُبُوهُ وَاقْتُلُوهُ ‏"

‏‏.‏ فَقَتَلَهُ فَنَفَّلَهُ سَلَبَهُ‏.‏

Collection
Sahih Bukhari
Dar-us-Salam reference
Hadith 3051
In-book reference
Book 56, Hadith 257
USC-MSA web (English) reference
Volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 286

AND MANY MORE

haekymbahd:
Who is Jesus Christ because God sent Moses and what is his role?

How many of your questions I've answered? BE SPECIFIC AND SAY THE TRUTH. Only one question I keep repeating but you refused to answer me


Jehovah, Yahweh, sent Moses to Pharaoh but Because Pharaoh refused to let the Israelites go, Yahweh, Jehovah sent his wrath on the first sons and animals that has to do with the Egyptians. Jesus Christ is NOT Jehovah or Yahweh that sent Moses put this at the back of your mind against next time


This is another killing ordered by Muhammad, the agreed Notorious killer by you

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet (ﷺ) entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, "Ibn Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka`ba." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Kill him." (Malik a sub-narrator said, "On that day the Prophet (ﷺ) was not in a state of Ihram as it appeared to us, and Allah knows better."


حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ قَزَعَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا مَالِكٌ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم دَخَلَ مَكَّةَ يَوْمَ الْفَتْحِ وَعَلَى رَأْسِهِ الْمِغْفَرُ، فَلَمَّا نَزَعَهُ جَاءَ رَجُلٌ فَقَالَ ابْنُ خَطَلٍ مُتَعَلِّقٌ بِأَسْتَارِ الْكَعْبَةِ‏.‏ فَقَالَ ‏

"‏ اقْتُلْهُ ‏"

‏ قَالَ مَالِكٌ وَلَمْ يَكُنِ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِيمَا نُرَى وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ يَوْمَئِذٍ مُحْرِمًا‏.‏


Collection
Sahih Bukhari
Dar-us-Salam reference
Hadith 4286
In-book reference
Book 64, Hadith 319
USC-MSA web (English) reference
Volume 5, Book 59, Hadith 582

AND MANY MORE

haekymbahd:
Revelation 19

19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.


Who is the beast, the army, the false prophet, and those who worship his image..


Are there humans among them or not?

Why were they killed?

It is justifiable if Jesus will kill and slaughter all those who went against God in future but evil if Muhammad kill those who went against God in his time right?

Who killed all the first born of Egypt?

Exodus 12

28The Israelites went and, as the Lord had commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.

29At midnight the Lord slew every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the prisoner in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the livestock.

The beast is SATAN, the armies are satan's messengers this is what is going to happen in future when Jesus Christ shall defeats the beasts and his armies OR JESUS CHRIST SHOULD SPARE SATAN?



Now that you've admitted and agreed that Muhammad was a NOTORIOUS MURDERER AND KILLER, Please name just one enemy of Jesus Christ that was killed?

Let's balance this equation and stop using question to answer question

haekymbahd:
Who slew the first born of Egypt atleast Jesus had been in existence from the beginning?

Exodus 12

28The Israelites went and, as the Lord had commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.

29At midnight the Lord slew every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the prisoner in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the livestock.

But you can read and understand isn't it? Jehovah, Yahweh, sent Moses to Pharaoh to let the Israelites go but his arrogant like that of Muhammad caused the wrath of God on the Egyptians first sons, nothing happens to the Israelites. Jesus Christ is not the one that sent Moses, surrender yourself to learn. Yahweh, Jehovah, sent Moses to King Pharaoh

haekymbahd:


Agreed Muhammad killed.

Who killed in the old testament is it not Jesus if no who is it that killed all the first born in Egypt?

Exodus 12

28The Israelites went and, as the Lord had commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.

29At midnight the Lord slew every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the prisoner in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the livestock.




What is the book of revelation about and why is it in the bible?


Revelation 19
Jesus on a horse

15 From His mouth goes forth a sharp sword with which He can smite (afflict, strike) the nations; and He will shepherd and control them with a staff (scepter, rod) of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath and indignation of God the All-Ruler (the Almighty, the Omnipotent).

21 And the rest were killed with the sword that issues from the mouth of Him Who is mounted on the horse, and all the birds fed ravenously and glutted themselves with their flesh.



Who is God the All-Ruler is Jesus not God anymore according to verse 15 or is it 3 gods you serve


Why was the early childhood life of Jesus not included in the bible? I think your scholars are trying to hide the evil side of your God..

WOWWWW!!! This is wonderful, thank you for admitting that Muhammad was a NOTORIOUS MURDERER


Jesus Christ in old testament Jesus Christ has yet to come in OT, His birth was only prophesied in OT. It is ONLY in New testament he came to prached the gospel (Ministry)

The book of Exodus 12 is telling you about the tenth plague which is "Death of the Firstborn of the Egyptian" because Pharaoh refused to let the Israelites go, he refused to free them from the slavery bondage..



PLEASE TRY ANSWERING MY OWN QUESTION TOO, Let's balance the equation

Name just one enemy of Jesus Christ that was killed?

haekymbahd:

Can you tell us what the book of revelation was about since it is not reality?

Please surrender yourself for knowledge. Revelation means an act of making something known : an act of revealing something in usually a surprising way

I am very sure you read from quran that Jesus Christ is coming back for the second time, the passage (Rev. 19) is telling you what Jesus Christ shall do when he comes back for another time. In the passage, JESUS CHRIST SHALL DEFEATS THE BEAST AND HIS ARMIES, I think you know whom the beast is? Jesus Christ is not a murderer like Muhammad


Revelation 19

19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONE THAT WILL SIT ON THE HORSE

haekymbahd:
Go and read the infancy Gospel of Thomas. Which shows the early childhood life of Jesus. Atleast we know Jesus life didn't start age 30 when he got baptized and was ready to preach Gospel

Infancy Gospel of Thomas

The text describes the life of the child Jesus from the age of five to age twelve,[12] with fanciful, and sometimes malevolent, supernatural events. He is presented as a precocious child who starts his education early.[12] The stories cover how the young Incarnation of God matures and learns to use his powers for good and how those around him first respond in fear and later with admiration.[2] One of the episodes involves Jesus making clay birds, which he then proceeds to bring to life, an act also attributed to Jesus in Quran 5:110,[13] and in a medieval work known as Toledot Yeshu, although Jesus's age at the time of the event is not specified in either account. In another episode, a child disperses water that Jesus has collected. Jesus kills this first child, when at age one he curses a boy, which causes the child's body to wither into a corpse. Later, Jesus kills another child via curse when the child apparently accidentally bumps into Jesus, throws a stone at Jesus, or punches Jesus (depending on the translation).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infancy_Gospel_of_Thomas


Since to christians Jesus is God (Lord) who slayed every firstborn in Egypt

Exodus 12

28The Israelites went and, as the Lord had commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.

29At midnight the Lord slew every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the prisoner in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the livestock.

Luke 19:27
Jesus said

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me


Can you tell us what the book of revelation was about since it is not reality?


Revelation 19
Jesus on a horse

15 From His mouth goes forth a sharp sword with which He can smite (afflict, strike) the nations; and He will shepherd and control them with a staff (scepter, rod) of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath and indignation of God the All-Ruler (the Almighty, the Omnipotent).

21 And the rest were killed with the sword that issues from the mouth of Him Who is mounted on the horse, and all the birds fed ravenously and glutted themselves with their flesh.

is infancy gospel of Thomas in the Bible, who always brainwashed you guys in Islam?

Jesus Christ is now in book of Exodus Bros please don't kill me with laugh

Luke 19:27
Jesus said

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me

Now name just one enemy of Jesus Christ that was killed ?

Jesus Christ in horse, throughout his ministry on earth Jesus Christ never rode on horse but donkey to Jerusalem. Earlier I asked if you know the meaning of Revelation or not so that I can assist you on that but you refused to answer.

This is another huge murderer muhammad carried out by beheading over 800 Jews in a day, what a bloody and murderous messenger muhammad was


Ibn Ishaq describes the killing of the Banu Qurayza men as follows:

Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, "Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!" This went on until the apostle made an end of them. Huyayy was brought out wearing a flowered robe in which he had made holes about the size of the finger-tips in every part so that it should not be taken from him as spoil, with his hands bound to his neck by a rope. When he saw the apostle he said, "By God, I do not blame myself for opposing you, but he who forsakes God will be forsaken." Then he went to the men and said, "God's command is right. A book and a decree, and massacre have been written against the Sons of Israel." Then he sat down and his head was struck off.

Narrated `Aisha:

When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) returned on the day (of the battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench), he put down his arms and took a bath. Then Gabriel whose head was covered with dust, came to him saying, "You have put down your arms! By Allah, I have not put down my arms yet." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Where (to go now)?" Gabriel said, "This way," pointing towards the tribe of Bani Quraiza. So Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) went out towards them.


حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدٌ، أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدَةُ، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَمَّا رَجَعَ يَوْمَ الْخَنْدَقِ وَوَضَعَ السِّلاَحَ وَاغْتَسَلَ، فَأَتَاهُ جِبْرِيلُ وَقَدْ عَصَبَ رَأْسَهُ الْغُبَارُ فَقَالَ وَضَعْتَ السِّلاَحَ، فَوَاللَّهِ مَا وَضَعْتُهُ‏.‏ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

"‏ فَأَيْنَ ‏"

‏‏.‏ قَالَ هَا هُنَا‏.‏ وَأَوْمَأَ إِلَى بَنِي قُرَيْظَةَ‏.‏ قَالَتْ فَخَرَجَ إِلَيْهِمْ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم‏.‏

Collection
Sahih Bukhari
Dar-us-Salam reference
Hadith 2813
In-book reference
Book 56, Hadith 29
USC-MSA web (English) reference
Volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 68

AND MANY MORE

haekymbahd:
Jesus does not have to kill, other prophets of God before Jesus fought and kill not even a single one of them including Jesus Is good.

Mark 10
18 And Jesus said to him, Why do you call Me [[m]essentially and perfectly [n]morally] good? There is no one [[o]essentially and perfectly [p]morally] good --except God alone

Since Jesus is your God Who sent Moses, David, Samuel to kill, Jesus might not kill physically but since he is God according to christians then he Gave orders to kill.

1. The Flood (Genesis 6-
2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19)
3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12)
4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21)
5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15)


If You beleive Jesus is God then Jesus ordered all this killings unless you are saying Jesus is not God.


Jesus ordered all the killings I the bible and came to earth to form an innocent person that cannot kill a fly christian ideology

Revelation 19
Jesus on a horse

15 From His mouth goes forth a sharp sword with which He can smite (afflict, strike) the nations; and He will shepherd and control them with a staff (scepter, rod) of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath and indignation of God the All-Ruler (the Almighty, the Omnipotent).

21 And the rest were killed with the sword that issues from the mouth of Him Who is mounted on the horse, and all the birds fed ravenously and glutted themselves with their flesh.


Who killed here...

Luke 19:27
Jesus said

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me

You've said it all Jesus Christ is not a criminal, assassin, killer while your own muhammad was a murderer, killer, assassin, etc


You qoutes from the Book of Revelation, did you know the meaning of Revelation? What you read there is not in reality, Jesus Christ is not a murderer you should have come with something like this from the rosul MURDERER MUHAMMAD


Narrated 'Abd Allah b. Unais:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) sent me to Khalid b. Sufyan al-Hudhail. This was towards 'Uranah and 'Arafat. He (the Prophet) said: Go and kill him. I saw him when the time of the afternoon prayer had come. I said: I am afraid if a fight takes place between me and him (Khalid b. Sufyan), that might delay the prayer. I proceeded walking towards him while I was praying by making a sign. When I reached near him, he said to me: Who are you ? I replied: A man from the Arabs; it came to me that you were gathering (any army) for this man (i.e. Prophet). Hence I came to you in connection with this matter. He said: I am (engaged) in this (work). I then walked along with him for a while ; when it became convenient for me, I dominated him with my sword until he became cold (dead).



حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مَعْمَرٍ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عَمْرٍو، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَارِثِ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ إِسْحَاقَ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ جَعْفَرٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ أُنَيْسٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ بَعَثَنِي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِلَى خَالِدِ بْنِ سُفْيَانَ الْهُذَلِيِّ - وَكَانَ نَحْوَ عُرَنَةَ وَعَرَفَاتٍ - فَقَالَ ‏

"‏ اذْهَبْ فَاقْتُلْهُ ‏"

‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ فَرَأَيْتُهُ وَحَضَرَتْ صَلاَةُ الْعَصْرِ فَقُلْتُ إِنِّي لأَخَافُ أَنْ يَكُونَ بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَهُ مَا إِنْ أُؤَخِّرُ الصَّلاَةَ فَانْطَلَقْتُ أَمْشِي وَأَنَا أُصَلِّي أُومِئُ إِيمَاءً نَحْوَهُ فَلَمَّا دَنَوْتُ مِنْهُ قَالَ لِي مَنْ أَنْتَ قُلْتُ رَجُلٌ مِنَ الْعَرَبِ بَلَغَنِي أَنَّكَ تَجْمَعُ لِهَذَا الرَّجُلِ فَجِئْتُكَ فِي ذَاكَ ‏.‏ قَالَ إِنِّي لَفِي ذَاكَ فَمَشَيْتُ مَعَهُ سَاعَةً حَتَّى إِذَا أَمْكَنَنِي عَلَوْتُهُ بِسَيْفِي حَتَّى بَرَدَ ‏.‏


Collection
Sunan Abu Dawud
Dar-us-Salam reference
Hadith 1249
Ahmad Hasan translation
Hadith 1244

AND MANY MORE

Name a person Jesus Christ ordered to be killed or killed by himself

haekymbahd:
Neither Muhammad or Isa (Jesus) is good only Allah the creator is Good.

Mark 10
18 And Jesus said to him, Why do you call Me [[m]essentially and perfectly [n]morally] good? There is no one [[o]essentially and perfectly [p]morally] good --except God alone


Allah SWT said:

"He is Allah, other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him."
(QS. Al-Hashr 59: Verse 23)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

What you can do to help the situation is to name a person Jesus Christ killed or ordered to be killed while on earth for the ministry and see the number of people muhammad slaughtered while alive

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) entered Mecca in the year of its Conquest wearing an Arabian helmet on his head and when the Prophet (ﷺ) took it off, a person came and said, "Ibn Khatal is holding the covering of the Ka`ba (taking refuge in the Ka`ba). " The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Kill him."


حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَالِكٌ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم دَخَلَ عَامَ الْفَتْحِ، وَعَلَى رَأْسِهِ الْمِغْفَرُ، فَلَمَّا نَزَعَهُ جَاءَ رَجُلٌ، فَقَالَ إِنَّ ابْنَ خَطَلٍ مُتَعَلِّقٌ بِأَسْتَارِ الْكَعْبَةِ‏.‏ فَقَالَ ‏

"‏ اقْتُلُوهُ ‏"

‏‏.‏

Collection
Sahih Bukhari
Dar-us-Salam reference
Hadith 1846
In-book reference
Book 28, Hadith 26
USC-MSA web (English) reference
Volume 3, Book 29, Hadith 72
Related Qur'an verses
5.32 17.80-81


Narrated Al-Bara bin Azib:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent a group of persons to Abu Rafi`. `Abdullah bin Atik entered his house at night, while he was sleeping, and killed him.


حَدَّثَنِي إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ نَصْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ آدَمَ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ أَبِي زَائِدَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاقَ، عَنِ الْبَرَاءِ بْنِ عَازِبٍ ـ رضى الله عنهما ـ قَالَ بَعَثَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم رَهْطًا إِلَى أَبِي رَافِعٍ فَدَخَلَ عَلَيْهِ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عَتِيكٍ بَيْتَهُ لَيْلاً وَهْوَ نَائِمٌ فَقَتَلَهُ‏.‏


Collection
Sahih Bukhari
Dar-us-Salam reference
Hadith 4038
In-book reference
Book 64, Hadith 85
USC-MSA web (English) reference
Volume 5, Book 59, Hadith 370

This is one of the reasons why they are running to western countries, sharia laws is a bloody Islamic laws

Babaheekmat:


Female version of advocatejare

You can't learn with hatred.
You would only be blind while the answers are right in front of you.


I have christians whom we dialogue sensibly and learn from each other..

But una for NL... Laughing.. una no sabi anything about Christianity and you have hatred for Islam.. double wahala for dead body

What!!! Female version of who? You need to seek for more senses from either muhammad or Allah

Babaheekmat:


Female version of advocatejare

You can't learn with hatred.
You would only be blind while the answers are right in front of you.


I have christians whom we dialogue sensibly and learn from each other..

But una for NL... Laughing.. una no sabi anything about Christianity and you have hatred for Islam.. double wahala for dead body

Female version of advocatejare, is that the new logic in Islam to avoid question when nab?

Babaheekmat:


Muhammad do not order his slaves.
Muhammad is not a murderer

Back up your claim with proofs

In Islam did you have a special school where you were been taught on how to lie?

Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Who is willing to kill Ka`b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Ka`b). "The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Ka`b and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you."

Sahih Bukhari Hadith 4037 Book 64, Hadith 84
USC-MSA web (English) Volume 5, Book 59, Hadith 369

Zadok The Priest


Long live the king

God save the king

May the King live forever

Halleluyah, Halleluyah, Halleluyah Amen

Rashduct4luv:


What "A" did you ask that i answered "W"?
Bring your verse too that Jesus was a Christian or that Moses practised Judaism in the Bible? Abeg i no get time. Won't respond again.

I said qoute a verse each from the Quran that says Noah, Abraham, Etc were first Muslim. That was the question I asked you but you're saying another thing entirely

Rashduct4luv:


Idolaters compulsorily kill animals/humans for their idols as a form of worship. The blood is important in idolatry.
Christians worship three in one Gods and believe God the father sent his son to shed blood and die for others to be saved. This seems more like idolatry.

Muslims today offer the sacrifice to follow Ibrahim (alayhis salam) who was not of those who join partners with God. The sacrifice is a good deed but it's not compulsory on all Muslims who can not afford it. And no one is saved by the blood of the Muslim's sacrifice. Abraham never worship Jesus but his creator. He never knew three in one gods.

The same way the blood of animals you're slaughtering is VERY IMPORTANT TO allah which means that you're not different from them (Idolaters) I attached below the screenshot of the hadith I saw someone posted here for guidance

Rashduct4luv:


The Question you need ask yourself is why your God created "good and bad" in the first place? Shouldn't he have created only good?

You will still need to ask allah the reason why he allows demons to torment Muhammad in cave

Rashduct4luv:


Take a visa and go check! Some of your questions don't even make sense.

Because it is a shame Muhammad die a miserable death, he has no power to raise himself up alive upon all his jihad for allah

Rashduct4luv:



Another lie. Well for your info, there are many non-Muslims (in millions) in Saudi Arabia. Stop spreading falsehood for Christ.

Are you this daft, did you read my post at all?

Name one church with the church venue in Saudi Arabia?

Rashduct4luv:


Where did i admit Jesus died and was raised? You are the one saying what i didn't say. You are the liar here. I said Jesus didn't die. He was raised alive body and soul.

From the onset, I asked you which figure of speech is that; "Jesus didn't die, he was raised up alive"

Someone didn't die but was raised up ALIVE.

Rashduct4luv:



This is silly. So you mean he had to travel to Africa to propagate Islam or where?

Another benighted again, if Muhammad was sent to the entire world. Aside Mecca and Medinna he only fought his jihad, name another city, state or country he took his jihad to while alive. We heard of Jesus Christ as he preached the gospel outside Israel, performs miracles outside Israel region so name another city your messenger took his own jihad to aside Saudi Arabia?

Rashduct4luv:


Analyse where Enoch went when God took him. Ask the Holy spirit.

Is allah working on how to get your eyes fixed? You have eyes but can't see and read


Enoch and Elijah were not raised up alive, they never tasted death. Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven

Thus the scripture records that Enoch was not found because God took him, or "translated" him. The Bible does not say that Enoch went to heaven when he was translated. Instead it says he was not found.

Don't dodge this question

Tell me how Jesus was raised up alive as acclaimed

Rashduct4luv:


May Allah grant you insight. You lack it really.

Are you really a female or a male posing as a female? Well, liars lies!

You mean a dead god (allah) should grant you insight?

As you can see my name and gender is there, just address the confusion in your religion and stop been dogmatic

"Indeed, I am Allah. There is no God except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance." 20:14 Quran

Rashduct4luv:


“And recite to them the news of Nooh (Noah). When he said to his people: ‘O my people, if my stay (with you), and my reminding (you) of the Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allaah is hard on you, then I put my trust in Allaah. So devise your plot, you and your partners, and let not your plot be in doubt for you. Then pass your sentence on me and give me no respite.

72. ‘But if you turn away (from accepting my doctrine of Islamic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allaah), then no reward have I asked of you, my reward is only from Allaah, and I have been commanded to be of the Muslims (i.e. those who submit to Allaah’s Will)’”

[Yoonus 10:71-72]

And Allaah says of Ibraaheem (interpretation of the meaning):

“And who turns away from the religion of Ibraaheem (Abraham) (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) except him who befools himself? Truly, We chose him in this world and verily, in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous.

131. When his Lord said to him, ‘Submit (i.e. be a Muslim)!’ He said, ‘I have submitted myself (as a Muslim) to the Lord of the ‘Aalameen (mankind, jinn and all that exists).’

132. And this (submission to Allaah, Islam) was enjoined by Ibraaheem (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya’qoob (Jacob) (saying), ‘O my sons! Allaah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as Muslims — Islamic Monotheism)’”

[al-Baqarah 2:130-132]

And He says of Moosa (interpretation of the meaning):

“And Moosa (Moses) said: ‘O my people! If you have believed in Allaah, then put your trust in Him if you are Muslims (those who submit to Allaah’s Will)’”

[Yoonus 10:84]

And He says of the Messiah Jesus (interpretation of the meaning):

“And when I (Allaah) inspired Al‑Hawariyyoon (the disciples) [of ‘Eesa (Jesus)] to believe in Me and My Messenger, they said: ‘We believe. And bear witness that we are Muslims’”

[al-Maa'idah 5:111]

And He says of the previous Prophets (interpretation of the meaning):

“…by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allaah’s Will …”

[al-Maa’idah 5:44]

And He tells us that Bilqeez said (interpretation of the meaning):

“My Lord! Verily, I have wronged myself, and I submit [in Islam, together with Sulaymaan (Solomon)] to Allaah, the Lord of the ‘Aalameen(mankind, jinn and all that exists)”

[al-Naml 27:44]

Someone will ask you "A" you'll be answering "W"...

Quran 6:163

No associate hath He. And to this I am bidden, and I am the first of the Muslims.

What did I asked, what are you answering? From those verses and chapters bring out something related to the one in Quran 6:163 as shown above

Rashduct4luv:



We are not their people and it is not for us to follow them or know how they worship. We know they worshiped Allah alone without partners till their end. They gave the message Allah sent them to the people they were sent to. And we believe Ishmael was the first son Abraham wanted to sacrifice.

I have not seen someone as confused as you are. But you acknowledge that the sacrificial animals you are slaughtering is in line with Abrahamic beliefs. If what you are doing annually is not in line with what Abraham did as you claimed, you are not different from idol worshippers then

Rashduct4luv:



Allah has sole command on all things. As such everything comes to Him in submission; willingly or unwillingly! Only Allah has the knowledge of what you ask. But you need to answer how God born you all? Who was the wife? The first born? Second born?

You will still ask allah that same question, how allah is producing virgins in janat, how allah is producing slaves to carry his suicide mission and terrorism.

Rashduct4luv:



We’re the only people who follow a leader who died and came back to life.
No other religion has an empty tomb. Was it God or Jesus that named the religion Christianity? Who named it "Christian"? If there was truly an empty tomb, then Israel would have been majorly Christians. But they believe Jesus was a born out of wedlock and other worse beliefs.

Is the tomb of Muhammad empty in Saudi?

We Christians and Jews are tolerance, it is your own religion that preached and proclaimed hatred against the people of other's religion through muhamamd that wiped out all Jews and Christians living in Saudi Arabia thereby no church building can be seen in Saudi Arabia till tomorrow

Rashduct4luv:


Where can we find the bodies of Enoch and Elijah? Are scientists searching for their bodies too? Israel, the country place where the purported resurrection happened does not believe it in it.

This is your blunder which you must not commited next time:

Jesus didn't die. He was raised up alive. Thank you for admitting that Jesus Christ died and he was raised up alive.

Enoch and Elijah were not raised up alive, they never tasted death. Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven

Thus the scripture records that Enoch was not found because God took him, or "translated" him. The Bible does not say that Enoch went to heaven when he was translated. Instead it says he was not found.

Instead of propagating lies, just ask what you didn't know

Rashduct4luv:



You don't need to lie, just come with proof to back up your lies

Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the Aalameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)” [al-Anbiya’ 21:107]

What other proof do you need?

How did I lied? Mention a state, city or country muhammad took his jihad to outside Saudi Arabia while alive? is the question too hard for allah to answer through you?

Rashduct4luv:


I should ask you if Elijah and Enoch died before being raised up. He was raised up body and soul without dying.

I've analysed how Enoch and Elijah were taken away, just tell me how Jesus was raised up alive as acclaimed by you

Rashduct4luv:



Mention the first commandment of Moses and that of Jesus. And compare it with " There's no God worthy of worship except Allah"

The first commandments never recognized God as allah, stop disturbing yourself. Even your shahada in this your profile says the same thing. Muhammad brought allah as allah even says He is Not God but allah

Rashduct4luv:


Muhammad was the founder of Islam from his time. Moses was the founder of the Islam of his time. Jesus too was the founder of Islam of his time. All of them were Muslim i.e. one who submits to the will of Allah. All your abuses/curses goes to you and your kin in manifold!

Show where it is written that Noah, Moses, etc were first Muslim during their time

Rashduct4luv:


They practiced what they founded. I won't need to open you skull to explain this.

You can't open my skull because you're not bringing the fact to back up your lies. Just qoute from the Quran how they practise their own Islam. Afterall You knew how God replaced Isaac with sacrificial lamb

Rashduct4luv:



How many Children did God born? Did God make his children to die one by one? So how did God born you guys?

Is like asking how many slaves does allah has, is like asking how many overall virgins are you meeting as slaves in janat

Rashduct4luv:



If Jesus does not want religion, why do you name yourself as a religion? What is the name of the person who named your religion Christianity?

Act 11:26
when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch

No other religion has an empty tomb.


We’re the only people who follow a leader who died and came back to life.

Every other major religious leader is dead. People have been looking for Jesus’ body for thousands of years, and they still haven’t found Him! With all of the advancements in scientific technology, no one has been able to solve this “mystery” in the world of science. The tomb is empty, and the body is not hidden and will never be found because Jesus rose from the dead.

Rashduct4luv:


Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the Aalameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)” [al-Anbiya’ 21:107]

All other messengers were sent to their nations only!

Name other city, state, country apart from Mecca and Medinna muhammad took his jihad while alive

You don't need to lie, just come with proof to back up your lies

Rashduct4luv:



How did Enoch and Elijah die? And where were they buried? The Jesus we believe as a Prophet did not die but was raised up alive.

Enoch and Elijah are two very unusual individuals because they never died.

You said in your texts that Jesus didn't die. He was raised up alive

The question I will ask is that is he raise up alive from sleep or what?

Rashduct4luv:



Which Jesus wore only one cloth which was whiter than snow?
No matter how perfect you think he was he was a servant of Allah born/breastfed by a woman.

Muhammad brought allah, no one ever recognized God as allah, even allah himself said "There is no God but allah"

Rashduct4luv:
I think your illogicality is getting out of hands. Try to read in between the lines. I said Muhammad was the originator of Islam the way we practice it today!

How manage you pass your common entrance exam? I said Muhammad was the founder of Islam, you came with your colossal cerebral disability saying it was just an originator. This Arabic school has affects negatively

If Muhammad was the ORIGINATOR of Islam and the first Muslim, how come Jesus Christ is a Muslim? Are you saying muhammad came before Jesus Christ not to talk of Noah and Abraham?

Rashduct4luv:

Where is the lie?

If you're not lying just answer the below question

Show where it is written and how they worship allah if truly they practice Islam that was founded by muhammad?

Rashduct4luv:


How many son of God has come out of Israel before Jesus in your Bible? If none, then Jesus is falsely acclaimed to be son of God too! This is your logic.

MANY, We are not Slaves as Christians even the Jewish are not slaves. We're CHILDREN OF GOD

Rashduct4luv:


Who named your religion as Christianity in the Bible? Who named any religion as Judaism? Sometimes you guys are just being controlled by the devil which you call holy spirit!

If you know the meaning of Christian or better still use google, you will understand that Jesus Christ was not aimed at proclaiming Religion while physically of Earth but to shown himself as the way, the truth and life.

Rashduct4luv:


Where did you get this from? Muhammad was sent to the all mankind and Jinn during and after his time.

This is what you typed here:

"Muhammad as our Books says about them. However, they were sent to their nations and not us."

Muhammad was sent ONLY to people in Saudi Arabia as he didn't took his Jihad outside Saudi Arabia. If I'm lying refute that and name another place, region, country or city where muhammad fought his jihad apart from Mecca and Medinna all in Saudi Arabia

Rashduct4luv:


He didn't die. He was raised up alive and not crucified.

WHAT FIGURE OF SPEECH IS THAT? Damn you Muslims are completely in disarray

"He didn't die, He was raised up alive"

Can you be bury alive while breathing in grave?

Rashduct4luv:


A Perfect man will not shit nor be born by a human. Jesus is simply human.

Read my post on what we believe on Jesus below.
https://www.nairaland.com/4064473/what-muslims-belief-concerning-jesus

Bye!

"Shit" that is very small thing, throughout his life time on earth physically, he wore only one cloth and Bible tells us that his cloth is whiter than snow

Jesus Christ is a completely perfect man to the cure as there is NO one like him

Rashduct4luv:


Islam in the general sense is what all Prophet practiced as revealed to the respective Prophets. Muhammad founded the Islam we practice from his time till the world ends. Jesus practiced his own Islam as well as Moses, David and others. Tawheed in Allah is what Islam is based on.

Like I said your ignorant is getting out of hand.
if Noah was a Muslim and you agree with me that muhammad was the founder of Islam, DOES MUHAMMAD CAME BEFORE NOAH that is just the question that needed YES or NO answer

Rashduct4luv:


We are to believe in them that they were sent to their people not us. What you requested is not needed for us as the Prophet of our age is Muhammad!

What I requested for not needed because you're LYING

Rashduct4luv:

Just because Noah (Jesus) was sent to a nation does not mean the nation will accept him. Muhammad was eventually accepted and his country became Muslims. And Muhammad was the only Arab Prophet with Ishmael as his ancestor from Abraham.

So muhammad was only fake prophet that came from Saudi Arabia? I love that, it shows muhammad was not a genuine prophet

Rashduct4luv:



The God of the Bible never mentioned any name for His religion anywhere in the Bible. The names "Christianity" and "Judaism" were formed by some unknown people. Islam is the name of the only way of life acceptable to Allah.

And who named them as Muslims? Muhammad or allah? The Holy Bible that was written over 600 years before muhammad the founder of Islam was born never named anyone as Muslims. So where did you get your own lies from? Is this how allah is directing you to be lying as the best of deceiver Quran calls him?

Rashduct4luv:


We believe in all the Prophets from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Jacob, Solomon, David, Moses, Isaac, Ishmael, Jesus, Jonah, Elisha, Enoch, John the baptist,....Muhammad as our Books says about them. However, they were sent to their nations and not us. This mistake you Christians make is the rejection of Muhammad just as the Jews rejected Jesus.

So muhammad was only sent to Saudi Arabia people and not you Muslims outside Arab peninsula?

Rashduct4luv:



No man is perfect except one who Allah makes perfect!
If he is alive, can you show him to us physically? Snap his pix and send it here. Why will i hate him? I believe he is not divine but 100% human, 0% God.
Just because he was born out of a virgin does not make him God. He has a mother in Mary. Adam had no parents. And Eve was made from Adam.

Have you not read from the Quran that he is alive? See childish question I should snap his picture and send to you why not do the needful, go to heaven and see him yourself.

You believe in him but you don't believe in his divinity, someone that was born out of a virgin's womb without commiting any sin while on earth, A perfect man to the cure.

Rashduct4luv:
We don't have the info on how many times Noah prayed. But it's sure certain he was of those who submit to Allah alone and also worship Him alone. So in the general sense Noah practiced Islam.

Noah was a Muslim as he practiced Islam but it is written that muhammad founded Islam. Are you saying Muhammad came before Noah? This your ignorant is getting out of hand

Rashduct4luv:


Washing of legs and praying as we do today was given to Muhammad the last Prophet of Allah. Other Prophets before him had their prescribed way(s) of worshiping Allah.

Show us where it is written and how they worship allah if truly they practice Islam that was founded by muhammad?

Rashduct4luv:



He is a messenger of Allah sent to the Children of Israel with Injeel a revelation from Allah just as Moses was sent to his people with Torah.

I will point out your confusion and ignorant here too. Now if truly Jesus Christ is a Muslim sent to Israel, is Israel an Islamic country? And A-side muhammad that came from Arab peninsula, name another prophet that was born in any Arab nations

Rashduct4luv:


Because Noah, Moses, Abraham and Jesus/ his disciples called themselves Muslims in the Qur'an.

But they never called themselves Muslims in Holy Bible that was written in over 600 years before muhammad was born the founder of islam

Rashduct4luv:


Muslims don't hate Jesus son of Mary. We reject his acclaimed divinity and sonship to God. He is one of the messengers and we believe in them all as stated in our Books.

Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Say, [O believers], ‘We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him”
[al-Baqarah 2:136]

I'm very happy that you associate yourself with Jesus Christ, the Messiah... Not in this world you will ever see A Christian associating himself or herself with muhammad, do you know the reason why for that??

You love Jesus Christ because he is a perfect man, without sin, born out of a virgin's womb but you hate his divinity because he is alive forever and ever, is that not another turbulence?

Jerryherd:


Yet we know people killing themselves in Islamic state of Sharjah and Dubai.. we know their country is Nigeria, and their religion


Islam is bad, yet Na una pack full Qatar , UAE , Oman , Bahrain , Indonesia even Saudi as Isrealis no dey give una Visa


.

You highlights Terrorism countries, even in your own Saudi Arabia you muslims from Nigeria not safe, anytime the goverment there may decide to behead you for a small sin or single mistake under the sharia law.

The dominants of Israel are Jewish and Muslims. Infact Muslims are more than Christians. Out of the countries you mentioned above which of them is far better than US and UK In terms of Economy and Social amenities? Use Google to check the dominants in these Countries (UK and US)

Rice is even better than sacrificing rams to one god annually

Empiree:
your problem can not be solved on social media. You need to meet Muslim comparators one in one for proper religious education. You are confusionists. This is the problem as long as you believe in bible because bible is your problem.

If I don't believe in Bible, I should believe in Quran right?

Empiree:
lol. Wikipedia? we are talking in the context of religious history. Wikipedia was created in 2001 but I'm talking about thousands of years of history. See how ridiculous you reason?. You would have done better if you countered with history too. I said in my earlier post that it was QUR'AN translators that used "christians" for Nassara and the reason they did that is understandable.

In case you don't know, most of the translators of QUR'AN were non-muslims or Muslims who studied or resided in western countries such as Yusuf Ali. Most of the rest were Jews (muhammad Assad) and load of Christians in the West who studied Islam and Arabic such as Marmaduke Pickthall. They were all converts to Islam. They had no better word to use for Nassara but christian bcus of some similarities btw nassara and CHRISTIANs. There were no church, no Christians in Medina in the time of prophet Muhammad.

Christians and Christianity came from Rome

Another lies

ANTIlSLAM:


You don turn am to insulting words, I trust you when things don fall apart you like to insult person.. If you get sense you won't condemn Britannical encyclopedia and Wikipedia sites simply because they doesn't favours you. But YouTube that favours you is more islamical abi? oponu ode olodo.. SharonLoveth once again, God bless you my sister for revealing the lies of this foolish slave that don't even understand his own Quran and hadith


If not for the sunnah.com that I screenshot you won't agreed you made stupid mistake

Thank you sir

Empiree:
people of the Book are Yahudi(Jews) and Nassara (nazarene). There is no such thing as Christian in the QUR'AN. It is translators of QUR'AN that translated "Nassara" to christian and the reason for this is because of CHRISTIANITY' claim to Jesus.

Christians are not people of the Book that Quran talk about. There were no Christians in Medina in the time of prophet muhammad (S.A.W). Those time, Christians were in Rome not middle east. So some translators only translated nassara to Christian better christian creed is close to nassara (Israelites followers of Jesus). Christians are not followers of Jesus but Paul. But this is another topic entirely. This is why I dey shake my head for you as you posted gibberish.

Christianity religion came from Rome not Israel. True followers of Jesus were Muslims. So in the context of QUR'AN with regards to "people of the Book" are Jews and Nassara.

As for Quran verse that you quoted that at should ask you if we don't know, the verse is not talking about what you are saying at all. This is why I showed you too display your ignorance. When you humble yourself enough of when I feel like explaining to you I will. The verse is commonly used by evangelical Christians to confuse Muslims.

One evidence that there were no CHRISTIANS in Medina in the lifetime of Nabi Muhammad was when Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came to mosque in Medina, he met nassara inside the mosque. When it was time for salat (obligatory prayer) for nassara, they wanted to leave the mosque to prayer in their own religion section. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him stopped them and tell them to offer their salat inside Muslim mosque.

My question is, if nassara were CHRISTIANS, which prayer time was due in that afternoon that CHRISTIANS offer today?. So now you the QUR'AN verses is not talking about CHRISTIANS and it is not even talking about what you thought. Q10:94

It is now clear that you're a liar, though I want to help you but with this very lies I will STOP interacting with you. I HATE LIES

Empiree:
you are very ignorant. So far, only a section of your first post you have been struggling with which is, "is Jesus God or human being?". I don't need you to answer it again. All your responses are muddled with confusion for you. So, I'm sorry girl. No where in the Quran it says to go to CHRISTIANS for answer. If you want to know what the verse means be humble and learn.

You aren't talking to layman here.

How many times will I answer one question? The process of creation on how man was made that the author of quran didn't know which to go for is not a confusion as I proof with references right?

Who are the people of the book Allah is refering you to for clarifications?