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Empiree:
see another fraud. This is talking about Jesus?. Jesus story is NT Wetin concerned Daniel and Jesus .

The verse you quoted has nothing to do with Jesus at all. I haven't seen any biblical exegesis that related this with Jesus. You are so funny. Okay let's assume it is talking about Jesus. This is the verse


After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

It is talking about some demons in succession. So Jesus was part of the demon, I guess.



Yes. In all the 10 commentaries I read about this verse only one tried to relate it with "blood of Jesus". It doesn't take PhD to realize this attempt was fraudulent



So who are we to believe now?. You and SharonLoveth are trying to prove Jesus is equal to God. One of you even said he's God. Now you are contradicting yourself. You guys are confusionists. You are not confident in your doctrine. Maybe you need to read yourself and SharonLoveth's posts and you get to see that you guys are claiming Jesus is God or equal to God. That's why I asked clear cut question but none of you answered.




See again here you said again Jesus is God . God forbid 8 can never be Christian. See confusion. Okay let's do it this way.

Who is Jehovah?

Who is Yahweh?

Who is God?

Who is Jesus?

Are these 4 entities same person or 4 different beings?

Empiree:
ain't got time for any analysis. Spirit is a vague word used to describe different unseen entities. Spirit is used for Angels, Jinns, UFOs and for human soul after death. It depends on how it is used and in the context it is used. What is infused (ruh) in the womb of mother during pregnancy was the same spirit of God breathed in Mary that gave life to Jesus(p).

So the question you refused to answer point blank is, Is Jesus God?. If so, who created Mary?

Lukuluku69:
I am not avoiding your question. In fact I have the answer to it like 30 years ago.

But would you accept it? I think not. So, let us rest it.

Between the word Masih which was translated to Messiah simply means ANOINTED. And every Prophet of God are all anointed.

Like I said, you won't accept my explanation. So let us rest it.

Empiree:
I have explained to you what spirit means. Spirit is something we can not see at anytime. For example, Angels. Angels are spiritual beings.

Empiree:
all three na waste of time. Simple question you can't answer. We haven't even got to other stuff you wrote yet.

Word of God
Spirit of God etc are not evidence of divinity of Jesus. Same phrases are used for other humans.


Simpl question is,

Is Jesus God?. Answer is Yes or No ?.

Who created Mary?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH3Lrz9EwQQ

Empiree:
Word of God
Spirit of God etc are not evidence of divinity of Jesus. Same phrases are used for other humans.

Empiree:
I am aware of Christian tricks very well and it is not gonna get you anywhere.

The first QUR'AN you quoted says warned you


O People of the Book! Do not transgress the limits of your religion.


It goes further to say


"The Messiah, Isa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary) was no more than a messanger of Allah"



It clarified identity of Jesus in the next statement


"and His [God] Word "Be" which He bestowed on Maryam and a Spirit from Him (which took the shape of a child in her womb.)


The word from God is called "Divine Command" or "Creative Power" which God said into something, "Be, and it is". And the verse also said "spirit from God". This is ruh which God infuses on every human being. The same spirit was bestowed upon Adam (p). The same spirit is bestowed upon every human being. Does that make us God, son of God or spirit?.. this is why QUR'AN says


Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. 3:59

So obviously there is nothing special except that he created him without father and created Adam without any parents. With this, it is clear that Jesus is human being.


"Spirit from God* is the same spirit infused in every human being. Quran gives us process of human created in stages and God's spirit placed inside our mothers womb.. it is the Gods breathe in us that gave us life. In that case why don't you call every human "spirit of God"as well?.


Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little lump, then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” [23:12-14]


And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down to him in prostration." (15:29 and 38:72).


The same goes for every human. Spirit (life being) breathed into the foetus at 120 days. It is the same spirit from God like Jesus. Even someone died or killed, some say "his spirit" is around, his spirit is bothering me etc. So why don't you call average human spirit as well?.

Jesus was a man, a prophet and a messanger. So going by your logic, Adam and every human being are also benefactors in those Ayah of Quran you quoted


Adam and mankind are spirit according to Q4:171

Adam and mankind are human and sons of God Q3:47

The only difference between human beings, Adam and Jesus is Jesus and Adam are prophets. Interestingly, you said Quran implored Muslims to ask you but you returned to the same Quran for your answers. I have explained to you what spirit means. Spirit is something we can not see at anytime. For example, Angels. Angels are spiritual beings. So Jesus could not be spirit.

Again, is Jesus God or man?. This is your answer below.






Who created Mary?. You see your confusion now?

Empiree:
Jesus was God, son of God(human being) or spirit?.

Question is simple now. We don't have problem with Quran. Jesus was a complete human being according to QUR'AN. Now, over to you. Who is Jesus?.

I haven't even delved in other rubbish you wrote yet. You are already choking on this one

Empiree:
Let's see who's in doubt since you alleged QUR'AN tells us to ask you. So I am in doubt about Jesus whether he's a spirit or God, or son of God or human being and Prophet. I'm not sure. Can you please tell me who is Jesus?. I believe he's human being and a prophet but I'm not sure. Can you tell us identity of Jesus to clarify my doubt?

Empiree:
This doesn't prove any unique quality. This is not attempt to undermine Jesus(p). I am just telling you that each prophet and messanger has their unique attributes with God that others dont have. Abraham is called friend of God and father of faith. Jesus doesnt have this qualities. Prophet muhammad is granted power of intercession. Jesus desnt have this. Moses spoke to God face to face but Jesus doesnt have this. Moses speaks to God face to face is more credible by common sense than sitting at the right hand of God.

Empiree:
Before you were born, and before your parent conceived you, where do you think you were?. You were existing in your fathers groin in spiritual realm with God. And I have told you before and will say it again that if you want to learn bible, come to Muslims. We will teach you bible. Now read,

Empiree:
1. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Through revelation the prophet Jeremiah learned something about the preexistence of his own soul. The Lord spoke to him and said, “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” (Jer. 1:5.)




2. Job had a premortal existence. On one occasion the Lord asked the prophet Job, “Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

“When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4, 7.)


"Now although the Lord didn’t tell Job where he was before the foundations of the earth were laid, the very question implies that Job was in existence somewhere—and not only Job but “all the sons of God.” And when we recall that the Bible teaches that we are the sons of God (“the offspring of God” is the way the apostle Paul phrases it in Acts 17:29), we can’t help but conclude that we were in existence with Job (and Jeremiah and the Lord Jesus Christ) before the earth was created."






Oh you think uran said so? Quran doesnt say Moses spoke to God face to face. Your Bible did.


"The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent." Exodus 33:11

Even Jacob wrestled with God and defeated God Genesis 32:22-32




FALSE! This contradicts your bible. Exodus 33:20 says no one can see God

"you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."


Quran also says

"Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted."Q6:103




I already showed you from your bible that Job and Jeremiah preexisted.

Lukuluku69:
I said the Messiah is not God and you asked if he is Satan. Hence my submission.

Between Black and white, there are shades of colors. Can't the Messiah be someone or something else?

SharonLoveth:
Where did I said satan is the opposite of God?

Lukuluku69:
So, Satan is the opposite of God? The Jews expecting the Messiah, were they expecting God?

AntiChristian:
No picture! May Allah guide you from your confusion

AntiChristian:
Angels are not helping him. They are doing their duty in worshiping him. Must I repeat myself again? May Allah guide you from your confusion

AntiChristian:
Chai! You are so confused! May Allah guide you from your confusion

May Allah guide you from your confusion. Beating is common act from tradition and culture and people are moving away from it even in schools. We have to worship Him as we pray for heaven.
Those who reject the message till death will embrace hell.

AntiChristian:
See who is confused here. 1. The meaning of the Shahadah as understood by the followers of Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam is "There's not god worthy of worship except Allah" Not what you typed up there.

AntiChristian:
Jubril is a slave of Allah. He does not help Him. He carries out duties just as we are to worship Allah. Our worship does not help Allah in any way.

AntiChristian:
Allah says: Their meat will not reach Allah , nor will their blood, but what reaches Him is piety from you. Qur'an 22:37

Once more you are the confused one here.

AntiChristian:
Allah is our creator and we are all obliged to obey Him. This is the reason why He sends messengers to Mankind. We are to worship Him and it is compulsory to do so to enter heaven. You can also leave worshiping Him and enter hell.

No one is putting knife to anyone's head to pray, fast or believe in Allah!

It's absurd saying Allah is forcing anyone to do something. We are created for the sole purpose of worshiping Him. Everything we do is to achieve this aim. We ask Allah to guide us all away from doubt & confusion and grant us faith with certainty.

AntiChristian:
We serve one God Allah who has no helper/son/partner/wife to share in his control and dominion. He is the Creator and Jesus and everyone else is His slave.

I doubt you serve this my God.



Because Allah doesn't need a son as He needs no help from anyone to function. He's able to do all things.

Your God needs his son's help to die for him to save others! He also need some elders in heaven...

AntiChristian:
Allah says what means: It is neither their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah, but it is piety from you that reaches Him. (Qu'ran 22:37)

I see none blind here than you all.

AntiChristian:
See foolishness! Who forced me to fast in Lagos?
It just seems you guys are wired by the holy spirit to type rubbish!

gentlesmithugo:
how are you sharon

IYANGBALI:
the guy is very disciplined o, he was born and broughted up by a God fairing and disciplined parents

ANTIlSLAM:
Muhammad The Paedophile Messenger used hadith to brainwashed all these slaves..

allah their god never prohibited drinking of alcohol as read in quran, allah only said they should not approach salat when they are drunk

Quran 4:43a

O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying..

Islamad:
What are they going to get hurt her? It is better to take a Westerner and release her. I believe there must be some­thing to negotiate, whether it is money or whatever they may want,” the preacher em­phasised.

Lukuluku69:
The Messiah is never God.