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MAGG0T:
Ya just the way innocent people have been sent to their early graves, just for those people selfish interest, sometimes u have to do de wrong stuffs for things to be right

MAGG0T:
Extend the brutality to their families..

Once u start butchering their children they'll pipe low.

Kobojunkiee:
LOL... You mean the Spirit of God will CHANGE what Jesus Christ said of those who will hunger and thirst after righteousness being satisfied? The Spirit of God will never contradict the word of God (Jesus Christ).

On the issue of a "deeper walk" with God, that idea is a delusion, a lie created by men to deceive other men. There is only one way and that way is Jesus Christ and everyone who will obey Him will walk in that one direction and that direction alone. There are no different degrees to the walk with God as far as the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ is concerned. ALL must submit and obey His commandments in all-wise. That is what Jesus Christ instructed all His disciples and the same applies to this day to everyone whose goal is Heaven in the end.

As for those who would rather create for themselves a different part, in the name of Jesus Christ, there eternal life, which they of course receive for believing Him, will be spent in Hell surviving eternal punishment. So, please do not let the words and delusions of other men deceive you into thinking that there will be those who are hot or cold or luke warm in the kingdom of God. No such enters His kingdom. Only those who obey His commandments as He has instructed will enter. It is that simple and straight forward!

delkuf:
The guy reads the Bible as if it is one evening newspaper

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ never told you that you will receive His righteousness either.

Is righteousness attainable? Ofcourse! Read the story of Job. Read of the man Noah, and to whom God attributed righteousness to. Job, the man from the Book of Job, was a righteous man, according to God, why? Because Job did as God had commanded that those who serve Him do. Read the Book of Job chapter 31.
Righteousness is attainable but only through doing what God commands you and I do, and not simply by doing what we want and believe to be good. That happens to be the very reason why the verse in Isaiah says, Our righteusness, meaning our opinions and ideas of what is good enough, is filthy rags as far as God is concerned.
Saved from what though? Hungering and thirsting after righteousness is not about being "saved" from sin. It is about doing what God commands that all those who are His, do. He commanded some of the very same of those of the old covenant. So why do you of the New Covenant make excuses where all God asks is that you obey?
Deeper walk and work with God? Yes, the blessings that come with the New Covenant, only apply to those who not only believe in Jesus Christ but do the Will of the Father in Heaven, i.e. Obey Jesus Christ's every commandments.

A "deeper walk" with God is meaningless if it does not entail Obeying God's every commandment. In fact, like it is said in the book of Isaiah, all of our(ideas and opinions, and notions about what a deeper walk with God involves) is meaningless/filthy rags at the end of the day. What matters is that we hunger and thirst after the doing of that which God has commanded of us. And like Jesus Christ said, we will be satisfied.

Kobojunkiee:
What do you mean when you say "after you have been made right with God"?
If you refer to the acceptance of Jesus Christ in terms of believing in Him, then according to Jesus Christ, such a person would first need to hunger and thirst for righteousness, and then will your thirst be satisfied. For without a hunger and a thirst for it, it cannot be satisfied, according to the blessing stated there in Matthew 5 by Jesus Christ.
As I earlier mentioned, Matthew 25 vs 31 -40 is where Jesus Christ details the works of righteousness required of those who expect to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Kobojunkiee:
That is not true. Righteousness is not a state of mind or being... for if it were, then Jesus Christ lied when He said, "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be Satisfied" and "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.".
From what Jesus Christ Himself said as recorded in Matthew 5, Righteousness can indeed be added to and removed from, since one can hunger and thirst for it, with eventual satisfaction given of that hunger and thirst for it.
That again is not true since some have it and some don't have it. Those who hunger and thirst for it and receive eventual satisfaction, are said to have it, while those who do not have a hunger, or a thirst for it, will receive no satisfaction, and hence have none of it to be weighed.
Holiness, like righteousness, are obviously works of obedience, which are laid out in the commandments that are the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ.
In Matthew 5, Jesus Christ indeed outlined to steps we need to take to become Holy, even as our Father in Heaven is Holy. And in Matthew 25 vs 31-40, Jesus Christ details the works of righteousness that those promised the kingdom of Heaven are to embark on, works similar in every way to those outlined in the Isaiah 58 for the righteous(just).

Darnley:
In Genesis 5:22-24,
the bible say" And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.This statement has been misinterpreted to mean that Enoch did not died and was taken to heaven. But looking at the description of those who we believe died from verse 3 to 20 you will notice this expression "all his days" and it means that the person lived for that length of time only "and he died." the same was said of Enoch in verse 23 to mean Enoch died after he lived for 365years.
Also,the phrase "he was not" mean to say he died.Ithen Matt.2:17-18 Bible say, "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not ".
The verses above speak of the infants that were killed by the order of king Herod in a way to kill Jesus.
The scripture say,they are not meaning they died.How then do people say, Enoch did not die.reading Hebrew 11:1-13 you will find out that from Abel vs4 to Sarah vs12 of the genealogy of faith die as stated in verse 13.Enoch is inclusive.
Bible also say Enoch was translated,but what does translated mean

The original Greek word for "translate" is metatithemi.According to Arndt-Gingrich's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 1969 edition, the primary meaning is to "convey to another place . . . transfer" (p. 514).

The same Greek word is rendered "carried over" in Acts 7:16. Here we read that after Jacob died his body was "carried over"—transported, translated—to Sychem where he was buried! That's what your Bible says! Jacob was transported or translated to the place of burial!

the Greek word for "carried over" in Acts7:16 is the same Greek word for "translate" in Heb.11:5 I.e G3346
That is why Moses said that God took Enoch. God removed—translated—him so that he was not found. God took Enoch and buried him,just as He did to Moses.

Some believe,he was taken to heaven,but Jesus said, in Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Nairaland,I need your opinion for or against

paxonel:
It's now you are talking truth.
Christianity is simply life of God in man.
It is a religion that gives the life of God to men.
And,
Show me the contradiction there?
Just one.
The way you now say it is better.
A lot of people will misinterprete you that you mean good standard of living through Christ.
You see that they have been deceiving us in Africa a lot. It seems we are not intelligent enough to understand bible.
And this Christianity we are practicing is not African but was brought to us by white men.
They practice the same religion and their lives are better but we Africans are turning things upside down for ourselves.
What you believe here, you can't go to London to preach it. You will be sanctioned.
Ask oyedepo and adeboye who have tried it.
I do not dispute the fact that you have the life of God in you. But that life is spiritually embedded and cannot be physically detected by people observing your lifestyle. That's what makes you spiritually minded and not canally(physically) minded.
If not, you will hear about christians living their lives without making any mistake or sin which is practically impossible. 1John 1:8.
Whatever lifestyle you think you are living, you have a comfortable house, car, office and a lovely family. You are not the first.
Infact, there are billions of athiests, Muslims, Hindus, Jews who are enjoying the same

paxonel:
Keep deceiving yourself not considering that there is change of times hence change of vocabulary among men over time.
You are in 2017 reading a book called bible that was documented more than 2000 years ago and you are searching for a word RELIGION used in this modern day in place of the words FAITH, KINGDOM, ETERNAL LIFE, COVENANTetc(which were one and the same thing), used in bible days.
You better update yourself or bible will remain confused to you forever.
Question:Who started Judaism the religion of the Jews?
Answer: Abraham
Genesis 17:2 And I will make my covenant(religion) between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
Hence Abraham was justified by his religion.
Romans 4:1-3.
Now, God has rejected the old covenant and lifted the new covenant (Christianity) to save mankind such that, just like the way Abraham was justified by his religion, we are also justified by our religion Christianity without works.
If you go down to that Romans 4.
Romans 4:24. But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25. Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
So when i hear people defining faith as the substance of things hoped for.....
I laugh.
That is incomplete definition.
Faith is simply Christianity.
If you travel abroad and you are asked what is your faith?
It means, what is your religion?
Question: who started Christianity?
Answer : Jesus Christ.
How?
Because he brought the faith that justified people into eternal life through his death and resurrection.
So Christianity did not start at Antioch
Christianity started immediately after his resurrection with 120 people at Pentecost. Act1:19.
The religion only got the name Christianity at Antioch.
Antioch did not save anybody.
It is Christ that saves

paxonel:
Whether it is the God or a god the dictionary defined it as religion so long that believe factor is there .
The moment you believe in anything whether it is THE GOD or a god you are automatically into religion.
So,christianity is religion.
Note the the word religion is our common day use.
In bible days it was the word FAITH that was used.
For instance, we were justified by faith simply means we were justified by religion?
What religion?
The christian religion.
Remember,Jesus is the founder of the Christian religion. He founded the religion to justify men before God.
So,put that into consideration

Humblebloke:
what's that


why would I need to do that?

Humblebloke:
when will this people stop misleading the public

Martinez19:
*facepalms* I have nothing to say to you.

Deicide:
You mean being a nuisance acting drunk and patronizing prostitute?

Wilgrea7:
firstly... the Christians in acts are a lot different from the Christians today.. in fact... the Christianity then was considered a denomination of Judaism..

Martinez19:
mtewwwwwww. How can you have such relationship if you don't believe in him? You should please read my post very well before commenting. Hebrew 11:6 says that without faith it is impossible to please God and those that come to him MUST BELIEVE THAT HE IS and is a rewarded of those that diligently seek him.

A belief in God and the activities of worshipping him is called religion.

chalantmike:
yes and nairaland is a family with seun as the father.

slowpoke

Wilgrea7:
its a link to a topic here on nairaland... and he's an atheist.. the topic further stresses your point.. not opposes it