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vooks:
Did Paul preach repentance?

Paul taught that the Understanding of The gospel leads one to repentance. It is not in us to repent from the outside, it takes an inward transformation by the gospel to reveal an outward revelation of repentance. Inside-out change.

vooks:
Shdemidemi,
Between Paul and Peter, who preached Repentance?

The crux of Peter's message is repentance while that of Paul is 'belief'.

vooks:
What do you do AFTER realising you have sinned?

I ask for forgiveness of the sins I am aware of and even those that I am not conscious about.

vooks:
Shdemidemi,
Do you sin?

Yes

@italo

Are you a sinner?

Ubenedictus:
and lastly

we can lose justification, most of the passage have already been quoted,


Galatians 5:19-20: "Now the [size=22pt]works of the flesh[/size] are manifest, which are (these): fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties, envyings,
drunkenness, revelings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


I forewarn those on the thread as paul did, those who willingly commit sins as those listed above should know they won't inherit eternal life. They will by their own disobedience reject God's gift.

Are you of the flesh or of the spirit?

Ubenedictus:
that reminds me, doesn't scripture say many are called few are chosen? The call doesn't grant automatic salvation to anyone, there is a response to the call, then there is faith, after that comes baptism and justification, sanctification and then glorification.

If the call qualified everyone to eternal salvation, all who are called will be saved.

Romans 8

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified..


See how God did the work from foreknowledge to glorification of the Saint according to this passage. No part of this process was played by man's ability but God's.

I await the part of scripture that gives you the idea that one can actually refuse God in the day of His power.

Ubenedictus:
i have written it already, it follows my first post on justification.

I am still yet to see where you proved God's call isn't enough to make us qualified for eternal salvation?

Ubenedictus:
you don't need to agree with all his ideologies, the OSAS theology alone qualifies you to be a calvinist.

OSAS happens to be a a popular theology the Calvinist group are known for does not mean they don't have other principles that form their movement and belief system. Do you know that?

Ubenedictus:
not exactly i'm sure the next post which it seems you haven't seen will show you the first point where we differ.

I'm waiting.

Ubenedictus:
you don't need to agree with all his views, taking up his stuff on salvation suffices to make u a calvinist

John Calvin himself might not agree with him that I am Calvinist because my decision to rightly divide God's word or OSAS was not influenced by him. I don't agree with some other ideologies that is associated with the man. That we agree on one aspect of theology does not make us the same.

^^^ isn't this what we have been saying all along? I thought I would read some man made addendum to complete God's free gift of salvation from you.

frosbel:
Hmm, so believers are sinners and hence evil and therefore 'of the devil' , but hold on, they are also of Christ.

Mate, your theology is upside down and seriously warped.

Noooo! Don't be like that, I didn't write it. I pasted what Jesus said about man, do you think he got it wrong? He called us evil.

Frosbel, are you good or are you a sinner?

frosbel:
Do you agree that if we are all sinners in the present tense that means that we are all OF THE DEVIL according to 1 John 3:8 ?

1 John 3:8
8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.

Absolutely! Even Jesus made it clear himself that we are evil hence why we couldn't save ourselves. None is good save Frosbel, may be.

Luke 11:13

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

frosbel:
Good, so I got you there, we are all sinners

Now, reconcile that to ;

1 John 3:8

Why reconcile when you have not explained how you are without sin going by this clear quote....

Who is the liar Frosbel, just say it?

frosbel:
No .

Who is the liar, you or God?

1 John 1:8
If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.

10 If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.

vooks:
You are so overfed with Dispensationalism garbage and Scoffield junk, am not sure where to start with you.

You may as well argue that you can't send yourself to hell only that God never Elected you

Take comprehension classes and re-read my post

Thanks

you need the class more than most on this forum. Learn to focus and deal with issues objectively and stop blackballing scriptural ideas simply because you think the probable source does not appeal to you.

frosbel:
Read and meditate on Romans 2:7-15 and let me know what you think.

I am still waiting for an answer to the question I asked yesterday.. Did you miss it?

I asked if you are a sinner?

vooks:
It means NOBODY and NOTHING can separate you from God except yourself. God won't save you and keep you saved against your will.

Go back to Eden. NOTHING or NOBODY could separate Adam from God and disrupt the fellowship he had with God......not even the serpent. So the devil provoked Adam (Eve) to rebellion which essentially means Eve walked away from God.

This is repeated in Satan tempting the Second Adam. He tried to induce rebellion which would have meant Jesus rebelling against His Father. He failed

The condition for Adam's failure is disobedience to the laid down rules which says you must not 'eat', else ......

The condition for our failure is 'you must believe the gospel', else.....

Two different and distinct conditions that shouldn't be conflated.

The bible never said you can un-save yourself, especially not that verse you responded to. Don't force your spurious ideas on the Holy Scripture.

Bidam:
Yes. It is sad that these folks shouting calvinism!calvinism!! still don't get it that our acceptance by the Father has already been determined at the cross. Therefore, it is not based on how well we have done or how we are doing now.

Bidam!!!

Well, people like Frosbel, MostHigh, Jesusislord and their likes will flip this statement round to mean -do you mean we can start living in sin since you say we are sealed in Christ and heaven bound.

I wonder who sincerely come to God with an idea of disobeying or perpetually flouting the rules of who He decides to surrender his life to.

Hiswordxray:
I'm only trying to understand your view of the Bible.
Well, this is the summary of your view of the Bible:
Jesus is so blind that he could see that Peter will denial him but he couldn't see that Peter will end up preaching the wrong Gospel.
Jesus wasted his life teaching his disciples about faith and he have to send Paul to fix his failure.
God is so dumb that he allowed his Holy book to be co-authored with the devil.
Paul who strictly challenge anybody that preach another gospel (Gal 2:14-21) allowed Peter (the preacher of the wrong gospel) to teach the Church he (Paul) planted in Corinth (1Cor 1:12) and he forget to correct the errors that Peter must have taught them in his latter to the Corinthians.
The Bible contain two contrary Gospel.
Those that put the books of the Bible are so stupid that they put books of preachers that preach two contrary Gospel.
The Israelites is the body of Jesus and the Church is also the body of Jesus therefore Jesus have two bodies.

Did I miss anything out?
You may not say it in these exact words but this is what your teachings imply (if am wrong correct me)

So now my conclusion on your wonderful teaching:
This is exactly the kind of teaching that turn Christians to atheist.
Go and read your Bible again Or prove my summary of your teaching is wrong and explain better.

Ok bro.. If that is the way you see it even after you have been shown, what else can one do but dust his feet.

efficiencie:
Grace is free but you must avail yourself and position yourself to get it...Jesus' healing power was the GRACE, the centurion seeking Jesus was the WORK, the healing power of Jesus was GRACE the opening of the roof and lowering of the man with palsy was the WORK, the healing virtue of Jesus was the GRACE the touching of the hem of Jesus' garment by the sick woman was the WORK...the examples are ENDLESS...unless you just want to ARGUE OVER THE OBVIOUS!

What do I need to do today to avail myself to get this free grace?

Hiswordxray:
Why didn't you quote me?
Please answer my questions

I think we are done bro. If there is a part you find contradicting in all I have said, we can address it together. You don't have to agree with what I have said but you can at least check scripture to verify them.

vooks:
Go lick your wounds in peace

Thanks for teaching us how God proposes and man disposes.

vooks:
Spelling.....God is spelt G.O.D and heaven is spelt H.E.A.V.E.N

Any other distinction is both retarde.d and heretical

Brilliant! Exactly what I think it is. Any other question?

vooks:
Good,
What is the difference between Kingdom of heaven and Kingdom of God?

What do you think it is? Someone have really gone to study dispensationalism for real.

vooks:
When you grow up in the Word, feel free to engage me

I will bro..

vooks:
If you think it is unBiblical, prove it. I called out your BS on speaking in tongues vs speaking in an unknown tongue and ever since you tail has never left that secure place between your legs. Call out mine. Disprove me or hold your peace

I hold peace then.. Guess all can see the puny brain critic can't align his propositions with scripture. he only demand that we believe it because almighty dumbo vooks say so.

vooks:
Refute any scripturally if your puny brains can muster

Lol...the burden of proof that what you have claimed the bible says is what you have summarised isn't on me but on you puny brain critic.

Do the needful or remain a liar.

vooks:
Nigeria Christianity is doomed with this kind of tunnel vision and garbage.

1. Who told Peter to baptize?
2. Did Cornelius receive baptism of Holy Spirit before/after water baptism?

What do you think negro?

vooks:
Negro,
Did you chicken out on your Dispensationalism BS?

I merely summarized EVERYTHING I had said before. Intelligent people can tell a summary from garbage.

Which scripture tells you that speaking in tongues and speaking in an unknown tongue are different?

No, I didn't. Guess you have gone to equip yourself via YouTube.

Please guide all your numbered summaries by appropriate scriptural quotes. It's not enough to throw words around by what seem acceptable to you without sighting one reference from the source.

^
Do you have a different bible?