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quote author=Lukuluku69 post=76833904]
Prophets, the genuine ones are Mouthpiece of God. The give glad tidings, they warn, they declare God's will unto people and yes they curse when the need arises.[/quote]You are very correct.

Lukuluku69:
Moses cursed them, same with Jeremiah, Ezekiel and many others. Jesus did the same and told them that the Temple they take so much pride in will be destroyed. For brevity I will only cite two verses.

Deuteronomy 11:26-28 KJV
[26] Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; [27] A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day: [28] And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known. Did they go after other gods? The answer is yes

They didn't. They laid out Cards on the table, laid out the consequences of disobedience and let the people choose.

Lukuluku69:
Malachi 3:9 KJV
[9] Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Note that Malachi said "even this whole Nation"

Again no. It's conditional. If you obey, you get a blessing, but if you rebel, you are on your own.

The Curse in this context is lack of cover or defense when the enemy comes to attack.
Malachi 3:11
And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

The Lord does not curse people. But if you go away from His covering what will befall is termed a curse

LordReed:
Get to your point.

Pls answer me sir. does reality consist only on what you can see with your natural eyes?
First off, you shouldn't be here, you don't believe in God or gods do you?
Or you want to talk for the mystics? They believe in the supernatural or metaphysical whichever they choose to use.

Lukuluku69:
Are you saying it is wrong to name your son after an Uncle or Cousin of yours? The name Jesse stands for Ishmael. At your leisure get hold of

an Encyclopedia Biblical and reference Name. Check under Jesse.it was contracted. Most Jewish/Aramaic Names are sometime contracted to

make them shorter. The Speaker know this fully well. I will give you references in a little while.

Wait, do you name that Ismael was not the only guy who bore that name in the Bible? You mean everyone who bore the name is Hagar's son?

And, It's not the same thing. Naming your child after an Uncle is not the the same as changing someone's name with an intent to miss lead. that is what you said the Jews did. And, every time you mentioned Jesse you stroke it with Ismael, meaning the same person.

If it stand for Ismael maybe we shd check their meanings first,

Ismael means a 'Gift', Jesse means 'God exists'. how are they related to be the same?

Lukuluku69:
Bros, nah. Jonah was Edom! Nineveh was no Northern Kingdom of Israel. Yes, he was with a message for Nineveh but back out simply

Because God told was ready to forgive Nineveh should they repent and change their ways. He became despondent else they call him a Liar

and fled. You know the Fish story. After he call on God in the Fish belly. God saved him and send him to Nineveh again. He preached and

They were forgiven but Jonah was despondent. Perhaps he wanted God Judgement on them and God made a Gourd to grow where he was

You said Jonah of Nineveh. And pls do your research and pls post it here let's see how Jonah is not a Jew but an Edomite.
I don't want the story.
Who was Jonah? Where did he come from?

Lukuluku69:
waiting for the destruction of that city , the following day, the Gourd/Plant withered. Jonah had sympathy for the Plant and God told him, you

have sympathy for a Plant but would not for a City with so much people in it. Story short. Israel did not dwell in Nineveh. Jonah was Edom.

Okay, Post His genealogy.

Lukuluku69:
Job never prophesied? Where do you get this stuff from? Read :Job 40:15-24 KJV
[15] Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
[16] Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
[17] He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
[18] His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
[19] He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him .
[20] Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
[21] He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
[22] The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
[23] Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
[24] He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

^^^^^ what I have up there is what? And this
[quote author=Lukuluku69 post=76829962]Job 40:1 Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,

You shd have started from verse 1. If you did, you wld have seen that it was Jehovah talking not Job.

lolzzzzzzzzzz.

Lukuluku69:
Job 41:1-9 KJV
[1] Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
[2] Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?
[3] Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?
[4] Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?
[5] Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?
[6] Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?
[7] Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?
[8] Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.
[9] Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?

This was Jehovah talk and these are not prophecies. Prophecies talks of the future not what has happened.

Lukuluku69:
And Balaam was a Prophet and like I said earlier. Simply becos he said stuff against them, he was labelled a Sorcerer.

A prophet of Jehovah? I hope you know that Prophets are Mouth piece of Jehovah? He takes over them and uses their mouths to speak. Are suggesting that YHWH used Balaam's mouth to curse the Islraelites? Really?

LoJ:
@shepherd00]
- I repeat that I never asked about the flesh. You have been deceived by your own ignorance. I said in person. Can you quote a single place where I changed what I said because you had allegedly caught me and I reverted? What level of foolishness is that. In your own Bible it is written the flesh profiteth nothing. Anybody can read what I wrote.

You keep repeating 'I never said in the flesh'. But, i expected that you wld have explained what 'In Person' means, but no, you just say it and move on. What does it mean?

I caught you becos you know I knew you were once a Pastor and as a pastor you must have met Jesus in Person if you claimed I didn't know Him except I had met Him in Person

Pls keep your out-of context- scriptural-Summersaults from me.

LoJ:
@shepherd00]
-Jesus does not mean savior it means God saves. And that is no argument, because there are many people in the Bible both in the old and new testament that were named Jesus. If the etymology of Yeshua is enough to proclaim him as god, you will have to agree that all the others sharing that same name were God too.

Semantics sir, Semantics.
His mission state marches his name
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Call Him Emmanuel, God with us, Call Him the Saviour of the world, called Him Christ, the anointed one, call Him Redeemer, call Him Joshua, Yahshua they all mean the same thing. Pls try to confuse those who don't know.
Your name is Loj doesn't mean everyone who bears Loj is you. We are known by what we do not what we bear as names. Check Facebook and see how many people bears the same name, are they the same Person?

LoJ:
@shepherd00]
you seem to confuse spiritual seeker, mystic and sorcerer, and clearly do not know what a sorcerer is. So further explanations are useless because you are lost in your own ignorance. We are all ignorant in one thing or the other, but the worst is when we fail to see it.

Again, Semantics. The taste of the podding is in the eating. In this life both physically and Spiritually, there are no neutral grounds. You are either for the Light for Darkness. If you are not for Jesus the Light of both this world and the Beyond, then you are for Satan.
And, ss cleverly as you guys may try to pass off satanism as harmless, he who knows know. Sorcery, mystics who are mostly New Age, Necromancers, Astrologers, Seekers of the deep things of Satan are all on one side.


Call me ignorant, I'm okay with that, but you can't fool me.

LoJ:
@shepherd00]
Your claim that hell does not exist right now is very funny. You claim there are Bible verses that state that. I challenge you to provide them. In the meantime I provide my own evidence: Hell in the Bible is sometimes translated from sheol/hades or Gehenna/lake of fire.

This is why I laugh at people who come out here screaming 'I WAS A CHRISTIAN'
Gehenna use to be a refuse dump in Jerusalem where in the olden times the idol worshipers sacrificed their children to their idols, like Molech, they called it Gehenna, that is very physical and literal.
Sheol/hell are sometimes used interchangeably as a literal grave where every flesh gets buried after death, but also it is used as the world of the dead in the underworld.

Hades is definitely the Spirit world where we all await the White Throne Judgement.

Note, hell is not the same as Hellfire. Hellfire or the Lake of Fire lcomes after the White Throne Judgement. In it shall death, Hades and Satan, sorcerers, mystics and thieves be cast therein.

Revelation 20:11-15
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Has these happened?

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
See? Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
What is hell here? Hades. what is Hades? A holdup place for the dead. it'll no longer be needed, for there shall be no more death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
You need more scriptures? I can give you more.

LoJ:
@shepherd00]
If you dispute (as you wrote) that Sheol/Hades exists now as per the Bible, then kindly read the story of Lazarus, or eph 4:8-10 or 1 Peter, etc.
If you dispute that gehenna exists as per the Bible, then
Kindly read Jude 7 where it is Clearly written that Sodom and Gomorrah were burnt with the Gehenna.
Now, you could have made a more interesting point by claiming that the gehenna (not the hades) is not yet accessible to the dead, pending judgment day (which I never opposed. I only said I saw the place - did not mention whether it was hades or gehenna, and I am not dead).

Sodom and Gomorrah was burnt with the Gehenna? Gehenah is a place not substance. Sodom was burnt with Fire. and do you also know that everyone who got burnt in Sodom shall resurrect to face the White Throne Judgement?
Yes, Sodom and Gomorrah shall resurrect.

Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Can you not see what the story of Lazarus tells us?
The that story tells us that the dead are kept in the same place only they can't mix up like we do here. They see and hear each other but can't access each other and a part of it has fire. If you argue you'd say Abraham and Lazarus are on the fire.

That place is not Heaven, it's the world of the dead.

HardMirror:
sure. I am one. Have friends too. Totally "healed" in many cases.

Ah, but you said Jesus does not heal nah.
Brother, what really happened?

You got broken somewhere. Was it someone you trusted so much? Where you disappointed hence became discouraged?

There's no shame in this, I almost fell out too, indeed, at one point I became so discouraged that Church service became empty rituals for me. I went back into sin. But thank God Christ had me personally. If I saw Jesus through that man, I wld ve long gone. But, my Spirit kept crying out and I got restored.
Pls share, it helps.

Listen, you May not come back to Christ, but someone can learn and be forewarned of these people who parades as Pastors. Pls.

LordReed:
That which comports to reality.

What is reality?

Ishmael was not a son of Abraham at least you guys should edit that part where it says Genesis 16:15 KJV

[15] And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael. Then we can rest the matter.

And when the sacrifice was done it was only Ishmael and Isaac was born a year later, so he could not have been the one to be sacrificed.

All that happened when Abraham was 99! How can you sacrifice what you don't have? Or what benefit is sacrificing one when you have TWO?

It only have meaning when you have an ONLY something and give it away. That's is sacrifice. And that was what God tested him on.[/quote]

Lukuluku69:
Sorry to load you with my watery long posts. I will try and keep it short.

Who created Slaves? Did God created any man as a Slave? It is in our mind and words.

It's okey. Short posts will make for easy reading, must Nairalanders are very lazy readers.

And, no. God did not create slaves. But I think that term was a heathen concept which the Jews borrowed as a result of their sojourn into Egypt and were later taken as slaves.

Lukuluku69:
If you marry someone who is a daughter from your Father from another woman is that more legitimate than a wife taken from a far away

No. If you legally marry any woman with the consent of the witnesses, she is legitimate, other than that, it's adultery.

Lukuluku69:
That's is the story of Abraham, Sarah and Hagar.

Between Sarah and Hagar, who can be describe as barren? Non for they both had a child each but you are looking to the Letters here. The

"Barreness" is Spiritual and Israel has enjoyed it right from Isaac thru Jesus. The Barren here is Ishmael whom God has not raised a

You mean Sarah at 80 yrs was not barren? Why then did she push her teenage house help to her husband? Or, you believe that Hagar was the same age with Sarah when she went up to Abraham's bed?

The Bible called Sarah Barren, not Hagar, for immediately she started sleeping with Pa Abraham, she got pregnant. Did you read the part where she started taunting her madam becos she saw she was pregnant? She forgot she was a surrogate, and tried to steal another woman's husband.

Lolzzzzzzzzzz, you have no idea what Rhema is. Barrenness is the absent of the Life-giving Spirit of God in your life. But, that is not the context in which it is used in that place. That meant barrenness of the womb.

Lukuluku69:
Prophet from.
Arabia and and her descendants are Slaves unto the Jews!? That must have been a joke. I can see and sense that you are deep unlike that

Originalkalokalo guy. Please take up the History of the Arabs and research it.

What will I be searching for? The History of the Arabs and the Prophets?

Lukuluku69:
And you said Ishmael was a mistake which the whole world is reeling from, well I can only tell you that the history of the World did not

start with 9/11 in which Muslims were alleged to have carried out but the History of the world as I know it starts way back. And if you think

Yes, He was a mistake as a result of Sarah's impatience. If Abraham had not slept with Hagar, the world will not have Islam.

Yes, I know when the History of the World started recording the devastation caused by Islam dating back from Muhammad himself. All the raids he carried out. The innocent people he killed. how he became very rich by killing and stealing people's properties. taking their children as slaves and their wives as sex slaves. Jesus will Judge him.

I also know the Ottoman Empire tried to enter Europe and destroy it, which consequently called for the Spanish Inquisition. I also know how they have never stopped fighting to eliminate the Jews and Christians but keeps failing woefully.

We don't even fight back, for if we do, there won't be Islam today.

Live and prosper for at the end, Jesus shall judge us all.

HardMirror:
cant count how many people who claimed to have been healed. They say jesus healed them, but it was not jesus. Jesus cant heal

These people, did you know them before and after their claims?

And did what they claimed permanent? Like where the sick ones went on being sick or after their claims you kept seeing them healed?

No vex o

LordReed:
Anytime someone starts a deep analysis of the bible why does it cause people like you discomfort? I thought you guys are all about truth?

What is Truth sir?

LoJ:
I never asked nor inferred that you met him in the flesh. I said in person. You are the one that confused both.

What is the difference between in 'Person' and in the 'Flesh?'. You perceive you intended to mislead. When I caught you in your tracks, you reverted.

LoJ:
You are the one that confused both. Second, you still can't make the difference between Jesus and Christ (and Jesus-Christ) . It is not the same thing.

Jesus means Saviour, Chest Means the Messiah. So both of them points to the same mission. God came down on a Mission, His mission was His name.
Jesus-Christ doesn't mean anything other than what the Bible says He is. The SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

LoJ:
I said I have met the egregore called Jesus.

I was right when I said the entity which appeared to you as Jesus was an impersonator. Egregore Jesus is not Jesus of Nazareth but a psychic entity.
My Lord and Master Jesus Christ is The King of Heaven and the Lord of the Earth. The Only Potentiate, the Supreme Authority. The First and the Last, the Immortal the Invisible. The Divine Human One who sets up Kingdoms and overthrows Empires. The one who darkness flees before. who wears Light like a garment, who walks in the wings of the wind. You cannot stand in the presence of My King in His glory, for in the Spirit realm, He is in His glory.

LoJ:
I have never claimed to have summoned that deity. He appears to me out of his own choosing, or during my own journeys. We always have a nice time, but I have other and greater concerns. See, the one you worship and that I worshiped too, is now something I know and befriend. There is a difference.

Lol. The jesus who appeared to you is the psychic egregore jesus, not the Light of the World. You cannot meet Him and call him a sorcerer.

LoJ:
Yeshua ha Mashiah is an alleged jewish prophet who possibly has achieved the Christ consciousness like some before him, and after him. If true, he deserves to be called Jesus christ.

This is coming from someone who had met and befriend Jesus. Yeah right.

LoJ:
There is abundant evidence that he did not preach anything new that was not preached by others before him, and there is evidence that his true historical life is very different from what has been reported in the selected books that formed the Bible, if he even existed at all.

Can we now agree that we are referring to different Gods?

LoJ:
I am not a sorcerer, but I would be pleased to become one. I have not had the privilege to learn true sorcery in the like of nagualism or celtic practice. Unfortunately this is reserved to people who deserve it, and are of impeccable character. It is also a matter of calling. Let see if life has that in store for me.

An apprentice then? Sorcerers have impeccable character? Is that what Satan wld you believe? Lolzzzzz. Agents of Satan has impeccable character. What a laugh.

LoJ:
I am a mystic indeed, meaning a student of the mysteries of life on the path to gnosis and theosis.
There is nothing like hell in the real sense. I have been there and seen it all, until I discovered it is all a product of my own state of mind. If you find the god sleeping you, there is no way you will experience hell.

You wish. If you even saw the part of Hades which has fire, your language will change.

Hell does not exist right now. I thought you memorized the whole Bible, You missed that part?

If there's Hellfire now, Satan, his demons and his agents will be there, not here causing havoc. The White Throne Judgement seat hasn't happened yet.

Did you not read that there shall be resurrection and that all shall be judged according to their activities in the 'Flesh, and what they did will determine where they will end?

Has resurrection happened? No. Has the trumpet sounded? Not yet. So wait, keep studying your mystical Arts, when you die, you'd go to Hades like your brother in sorcery Alister Crowley and wait out for resurrection and Judgement.

Lukuluku69:
The Isaiah prophesy were not for Jesus. I will show you. On the Jesse issue, what was meant to be written is Isaiah 11:1 KJV

[1] And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of (Ishmael)Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

If you look at Isaiah 11, 41, 42, 52, 54, 59 and 60 clearly prophesied the coming of the Prophet from The Tents of Kedar. If you look

at the Chapters I quoted and the deeds as explained therein, it first perfectly to his works and mission.

You are still calling Jesse Ismael yet you Claim Ismael is not a Jew. So, King David and his brothers were the sons of Ismael?

Be reasonable nah

Pls post were Ismael became Jesse.

Lukuluku69:
How can all the Prophets be of Jewish descents? Who taught you that? Jonah of Niniveh was he Jewish? Job too, Balaam were all Edomites.

Descendants of Esau. Jethro nko? He was Midianites and the Bible somewhere says he is Ishmaelites! He was the one who Taught Moses how

to Judge and Moses Married his daughter! Exodus 3:1 KJV

[1] Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to

the mountain of God, even to Horeb. Read again.

Exodus 18:12-19 KJV
[12] And Jethro, Moses' father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses' father in law before God. [13] And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening. [14] And when Moses' father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even? [15] And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God: [16] When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws. [17] And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good. [18] Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone. [19] Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:

^^^^^ Jethro a priest of Median sacrifice unto God! Remember I told you that Midian is a son of Kitura, Abraham third wife. So, like I said,

The blessing is knowing God and serving Him alone. The Material thing is secondary.

And all Prophets can't be of Jewish descents, read the story of Religion in the world, you will see that Prophethood is not limited to the House

Abraham alone but to all inhabitants but thru Abraham Son, the World will be blessed.

The Magis that came to the Crib of Jesus came looking for something, it was their prophet that told them what to look for. The pity is that the

House of Israel muddled everything together and ascribe Divine inspiration to their house only.

Jethro was a Priest of Midian. and the midianites are not Israelites. The office of the priest is not the same with that of the prophet.

If you follow this logic you'd claim that the priests of the gods in Egypt and Assyria, in Babylon were all Israelites. hmmm.

Balaam was a Soothsayer.
Joshua 13:22 Balaam also the son of Beor, the soothsayer, did the children of Israel slay with the sword among them that were slain by them.

If there are other prophets, then we have to check out whose mouth piece they are. we must also check out their prophecies and how accurate they were fulfilled. Remember we are talking about Jehovah, the God of Abraham here. And He says that to know that a man is his prophet is when what that man says comes to pass.

If they are the prophets of YHWH then we have to vet them by the Word. How useful are their prophesies to humans? For YHWH does nothing except either to warn and then turn evil to good or tell people to prepare for the future.

The world is full of false prophets, don't forget that.

So, Bring on these other prophets.

Lukuluku69:
How can all the Prophets be of Jewish descents? Who taught you that? Jonah of Niniveh was he Jewish? Job too, Balaam were all Edomites.

Descendants of Esau. Jethro nko? He was Midianites and the Bible somewhere says he is Ishmaelites! He was the one who Taught Moses how

to Judge and Moses Married his daughter! Exodus 3:1 KJV

[1] Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to

the mountain of God, even to Horeb. Read again.

Exodus 18:12-19 KJV
[12] And Jethro, Moses' father in law, took a burnt offering and sacrifices for God: and Aaron came, and all the elders of Israel, to eat bread with Moses' father in law before God. [13] And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening. [14] And when Moses' father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even? [15] And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God: [16] When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws. [17] And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good. [18] Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone. [19] Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God:

^^^^^ Jethro a priest of Median sacrifice unto God! Remember I told you that Midian is a son of Kitura, Abraham third wife. So, like I said,

The blessing is knowing God and serving Him alone. The Material thing is secondary.

And all Prophets can't be of Jewish descents, read the story of Religion in the world, you will see that Prophethood is not limited to the House

Abraham alone but to all inhabitants but thru Abraham Son, the World will be blessed.

The Magis that came to the Crib of Jesus came looking for something, it was their prophet that told them what to look for. The pity is that the

House of Israel muddled everything together and ascribe Divine inspiration to their house only.

What? Jonah of Nineveh? Jonah was from Nineveh yet he refused to go there and warn the people against their Sins? Do you read the Bible upside down? Jonah was from the Northern Kingdom of Israel. Is Nineveh the Northern Kingdom of Israel?

Job was never a prophet. He was called the servant of God. He never prophesied anything.

And, Balaam was a Soothsayer. a Fortune Teller. He was not a prophet of Jehovah. Tho God appeared to Him and stopped him from cursing the Israelite, that is becos Jehovah is Sovereign and can talk to Satan and have him do whatever He wants.

No prophet of Jehovah will be paid money to curse God's people. When he failed he advised the enemy to make the Israelite commit sexual sin and be destroyed. Only Satan does that.

HardMirror:
be typing rubbish everyone has become an expert on who i am and what i was. If i did not have faith he could get healed why will i go after him? Are you sure you even know what faith is?

Na, no be fight nah. Why una like quarrel like this here. I am not an expert on anything o. I just dey read dey ask questions.


And, in all your pastoral years, you never saw Jesus heal anyone? No any indication that He existed?

No vex just ansa me.

jesusjnr:
Get thee behind me Satan and all the tares you've sown in the church, and y'all can go and hang yourself in hell and burn to ashes for all I care for your opinions and suggestions are as good as dung here, if you didn't here me before now!

Ole of souls!

Okay o. May the gates of heaven open for you.

CreepyBlackpool:
I see no problem of morality here.


In fact the only problem I see here is
what if the clone decides to kill the original to take his place?

or what if the clones try to take over the world?
and we have a clone war

I.saw a movie where the clone killed the original who was dying of a disease and took his place since he already had his memories.

HardMirror:
let me tell you an experience. As a christian i discovered that most christians are terrible. They dont give a damn about other people's welfare. And they just gather to celebrate themselves.
A crippled begger once came to our fellowship. They contributed money for him and he left. I did not feel comfy about it at all so i left the church service and went after this crippled man. When i caught up with him. I asked him why he goes around begging. He said he cannot work.[b] I asked him if he did not know God could heal him. He said he knows but it has never worked. His family took him to many men of God before. I was confident God wld heal him and i told him the same. Bro God did not heal him. /[b]I dont care the excuses you want to give for God. It ramains that, god does not heal or answer prayers. It is self evident. Christians would laff at you when you trust god for a miracle and it does not come. If you are sick and you choose to pay than take medications and you die. They will call you stvpid. They will say God expects you to be wise. That sounds like God expects you to be faithless. It is a waste trying to talk sense to these people. They shld continue in their folly.

Serve God with all your heart and all your might. You will only remain a christian when you dont put your all into your belief in God. Follow the bible and you will see how worthless it is.

But, did you try putting your own faith to work unbehalf of that crippled man?

Reading your retorts here, it seems you didn't really know how to go about receiving from whom you claimed you believed.

Are you sure you really Knew Him?, becos without faith, no man can actually receive from God. Everyone who came to Jesus for healing answered a question, 'Do you believe I can do this?'.

Did you?

Pls let's keep it short and simple okay?

Lukuluku69:
They were all blessed. All the Children of Abraham. Everyone of them. This " Blessings" is not that of Cow and Sheep, Horses or Mules.

Tents or Palaces. The Blessing as we understand it is that they will know and worship God Alone. That's True Blessing. But God, added

other Material things to it to. The absence of the Material part doesn't negate or deny the real blessing. But the absence of the real

blessing make the Material blessing counts for naught. For if Material blessing alone is what matter, Jacob would have begged for Food in

Egypt. Of cos, one has to be picked. The Jews/Christians says it is Isaac but the Muslims says it was Ishmael. But one fact no one can run

away from his the fact that both are Sons of the same Father. The Quran explicitly mentioned Ishmael while the Bible says Isaac both can't

No, both the Bible and the Koran can't be wrong. And If I'm to be neutral, i'd go with the one which came first, becos for there to be a photocopy, there must be an original.

And no one talked abt material blessings, it's unnecessary to load the post with it.

Lukuluku69:
be true. Looking at the Bible, it states Clearly Genesis 22:2 KJV

[2] And he said, [b]Take now thy son, thine only son [/b]Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there

for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. When Isaac was born, Abraham has TWO SONS and not ONE. The

ONLY Time Abraham had an ONLY son was when he had ONLY ISHMAEL. So, to say, he was sent away was a fabrication to cover the lie.

But when Jehovah called the sacrifice was Isaac born or was it only Ismael around?

Lukuluku69:
Remember Abraham was 86 years when he had Ishmael and was a 100 years when Isaac was born. In between that, he was circumcised at

age 99! Which was when he circumcised ALL men under him whether born in the house or servants or son of servant. And I asked why?

Simply as a mark of the Covenant between him and God. Read Genesis 17:11 KJV

[11] And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. That was done when he

Was 99 years before Isaac was born. Read again Genesis 17:23-24 KJV

[23] And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the

men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

[24] And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

As you can see, the Covenant was as a result of Abraham not withholding his ONLY SON at that time. Also read Genesis 17:18 KJV

[18] And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! This pray of Abraham came about because he was commanded

You can't see what is stirring you in the face?

Pls follow that account very well. Jehovah had promised a Seed to Abraham, it took long to come, Sarah the wife gave her husband her slave girl hoping to have the Seed through her, Jehovah said no, that is not the Promised Seed. Later He told them Isaac will still come and from him the Seed shall be called.
Later, Jehovah called specifically for Isaac, the Promised Seed to be sacrificed.

As at this time, Ismael was already out of the house.

As far as Jehovah is concerned Isaac is Abraham's only son. Ismael was a mistake and the entire world is feeling the pain of that mistake today.

Lukuluku69:
to sacrifice him!

We are however not saying, Isaac was not blessed with the bl

Lukuluku69 post=76823151:
essing of not knowing God or that Prophets did not come from them. No, they

We're both blessed but the Seed of Ishmael is the Ensign that Gentiles should look for.

But the Bible you quoted from did not associate the Seed with Ismael.
This is what the Word says;
Romans 9:7-9 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.

This happened long after Ismael was born remember?

Ismael is the Child of the flesh, from adultery.
Read alsoIsaiah 54:1-5 KJV
[1] Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the Lord . [2] Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes; [3] For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. [4] Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more. [5] For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

This is specifically to the Nation of Israel. You don't stand a chance here.

Lukuluku69:
^^^ the barren is no other than the Arabs who after Ishmael lived among them no Prophets came and as you can see the "the Children of the desolate is more than the children of the married!

In this same vein Paul subtly alluded to this when he wrote Galatians 4:24-27 KJV
[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. [27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Pls read what Paul said there again. Paul explicitly says that Arabia and her descendants are slaves to the Jews and their time shall pass. See how Islam is trying to lay claims to the Physical Jerusalem, a city which shall be replaced by a new Jerusalem. lol.


You are forcing Islam into the Bible but you are failing woefully.

Lukuluku69:
^^^^ Paul says, there are Two convenants: Hagar and Sarah. Now, see how he twisted it. Hagar is not mount Sinai simply because Moses

obtain the Law from Mt. Sinai and it is not in Arabia. So, the Covenant that has been "barren" is the ultimate one, which the Children will be

more than that of the Married Children. Just compare Sarah and Hagar and this will become clearer

Pls note that you are not the only one reading what you are typing.
Let's look at that Scripture critically.

Galatians 4:22-31 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

The following verse encourages women who like Sarah were reproached as by Hagar becos she couldn't have kids, not the Arabs.

For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.


But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
^^^^^, look around the world and see what Muslims are doing to the Christians and Jews.

Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the free woman.

So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

This refers to Ismael, except you Claim that Isaac is the Son of the slave and Ismael is the Son of the Legitimate wife.

Lukuluku69:
Of cos the Jews knew that Muhammad was coming or rather they knew a Prophet

would come from Paran. But what they read into that scriptures was that he would

Still be from within the Jews. Do you remember when Jews sent people to The
Baptist? They asked him three distinct question vis: John 1:19-21 KJV
[19] And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
[20] And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
[21] And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. To recap, they asked him 1. Are thou Christ? 2. Art thou Elias? And Art thou that Prophet?

Three question. And according to Christ himself, John the Baptist is Elias, and himself

Christ, who then is "That Prophet"?

You see reading the Jewish Scriptures, you will come across the Name Kedar, who

Was the Second son of Ishmael. In Isaiah Chapter 21, 42, 60 a particular mention of

A New Prophet and a New Message would come from the "Tent of Kedar". The Jews

Understood this Prophesy to mean that the last messenger from/for Israel would

Come from there. So, after the sack of Jerusalem and destruction of the Temple, this

Prophesy seeking Jews moved to Yathrib known then as Isaiah 21:13-14 KJV
[13] The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye travelling companies of Dedanim. [14] The inhabitants of the land of Tema brought water to him that was thirsty, they prevented with their bread him that fled.

As I said earlier, they were expecting God to raise him in Arabia but of Jewish

descent! Since, an Arab can't look to claim a prophesy in the House of a Jew, how

can a Jew claim one in the House of Kedar?

In other words the Arabian Muhammad was not the Promised Prophet for all Prophets are of Jewish descent.

jesusjnr:
If that's what you perceived then that means your perception is under the influence of the satanic forces you spiritually dead Christian, as I said earlier get thee behind me Satan, old serpent, fallen angel, father of liars, chief devil, etc.

Using unchristlike christians to drive the sheep of the Shepherd from him, and keeping them away from Him.

We knew they are the tares you came into the church and sowed among the wheat of Christ while men slept, but the men who slept have awoken, so the days of you and your tares are numbered, you murderer.


Coming to spoil God's work, because you never come but to steal, kill and destroy, but Jesus has come to Nairaland to destroy all the works of the destroyer.

Reading your threads here, your responses are very volatile to those who even remotely point out any error to you. Are you implying you're completely right?

You are very quick to brand people satanic here. You know, witches are very quick to call people around them witches, is that the case with you?

hayoholla:
we cant say he's right or wrong, but my personal conviction tilts towards the premise that he might be right, but because you let your hands think faster than your noggins. therefore, we all leave you to spit trash from your mouth and think from your anus like a turtle, save for Loj who choose to entertain your dissent and have got the patience to boil you like boiling stone. but since we know they cannot soften. then we can't help but put you back to where you belong. among your fellow stones, stonehearted fellow.
Loj, would you please continue?

If you know how loud this made me laugh.

This is all you have to say? By all means leave me to my stone-headedness while you continue in your self deception.

You wish he boiled me. lol.

Lukuluku69:
Trace when the Jews changed the name? How possibly is that? From Prophesies and accomplishments of these Prophets we know whose

Message is for the whole World. I have some hints earlier follow it and publish your findings for all to see. I had to run that genealogies to for

you to know that I know what I am talking about. You were the one that alleged that I said Ishmael was a Jew.

But you can't claim they made changes if you can't point where and where the Changes occurred and why.

Seeing that Isaiah's prophecy has been fulfilled will you say it's not accurate in Christ?


Yes you did say Ismael was a Jew by saying he is Jesse whom the Jews Changed to distract the Nation's attention.

And yes, you know what you are talking abt, but you'll cleverly falsify the Bible and mislead those who don't know it, not everyone

Lukuluku69:
The Jews were Jealous of Ishmael for so many reasons. I will enumerate them here for you. I will back them up with verses from your book of Authority. Whether you believe them, I leave you with your Creator, who will bring everything to Account.

1. He was the first Son of Abraham as such the beginning of his Strength. Deuteronomy 21:15-17 KJV
[15] If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: [16] Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: [17] But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.

2. God himself gave his name! Genesis 16:11 KJV
[11] And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction. The name means "God heard" heard what? Abraham prayer for an heir.

3. Genesis 17:20 KJV
[20] And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. "While Isaac inherit their Fathers old haunts, Ishmael was ruler over other tribes, and his twelve sons were Princes in the midst of people they dwell.

4. It was the descendants of Ishmael that brought about the fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham in Genesis 15:17-18 KJV
[17] And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. [18] In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
This means all the Lands from Egypt to Palestine. The House of Israel could only be Masters of Palestine but from River Jordan to the Nile, and that of Palestine was liberated by the descendants of Ishmael.

5. The Jews left the Holy Lands as Captives, Refugees when they enter Europe and the rest of the World. Jacob had to go looking for food in Egypt. The Arabs entered as Conquerors.

That part where you read that he was removed was a fabrication from your Jewish Master. God commanded Abraham to take him to Paran

while he was still a Baby! Read.

Genesis 21:14-16 KJV
[14] And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba.
[15] And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.
[16] And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bowshot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him , and lift up her voice, and wept.

You can see child, child and child. He was 16 according to your Bible, why put him an his Mummy Shoulder?and His Mum looking for water for

a 16 years old guy? Please think. It doesn't hu
rt.

I think we shd first settle the matter of who the 'Seed' is. For the Word did not say 'Seeds', it says 'Seed', meaning One.
Genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Here is Jehovah Himself settling the matter between Isaac and Ismael, which of them is the chosen Seed.

So, In Isaac shall Abraham's promised Seed shall be called forth, not Ismael.

Now that the Seed matter is settled let's now go to the land inheritance.

You quoted this
Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
and you added this

This means all the Lands from Egypt to Palestine. The House of Israel could only be Masters of Palestine but from River Jordan to the Nile, and that of Palestine was liberated by the descendants of Ishmael.
But you forgot that Abraham did not hate Hagar or Ismael. It was just a mistake out of their importance and lack of Trust in Jehovah.

Remember before these children came, a 'Seed' had already been promised. So, this is not a matter of who is first or last. Besides Jehovah does not choose by birth rights. What happened to Ismael happened to so many other descendants of Abraham, but only the Muslims are fighting their battle.

Ismael and Isaac were born, Isaac was picked.

Esau and Jacob were born, Jacob was picked

Jacob had 12 sons, Judah the 4th was picked to carry the Seed gene.

Judah had Zara and Pharez, Pharez the second son was picked.

Joseph had two sons Manasseh and Ephriam, Ephraim was picked.

Jesse had 8 Sons, David the 8th was picked. and on and on it went. Where did you hear the Jews hating and killing each other becos the second became the first?

For are forgetting it is the Lord who chooses.



So, you believe Ismael is the Promised Seed?

LoJ:
The same way most Christian get their own alleged conviction. Somebody brainwashed me into going to his church and memorizing Bible verses. which I was very good at.

The day of graduation from theology school, I was required to quote 75 Bible verses by heart without any interruption. I quoted 100.


I would habe become someone in the direction to what I am now.

HMMMMMMMMMM. Conviction is 'alleged' to you? Meaning you never really had any tangible encounter with Jesus which convinced you for a fact that Jesus is Lord. Interesting.
You listened to someone tell you about their own experience and you built your Walk on that without seeking out Jesus for yourself? See, Jesus doesn't like that. You by-passed Him and depended on man instead of Him, that's why you were empty.

All you did in all those years was trying to gain the approval of men instead of Jesus, little wonder you opted out and today you are claiming Jesus is a sorcerer.

My brother, that you built your Walk on hear say, doesn't mean all others did. You memorized Scriptures and regurgitated them, they remained in their most outer, superficial and literal form, they never became Spirit, pulsating and alive to you.

Your inner Spirit was closed so the ears of your Spirit could not access the voice of the word you read.

All the while, the scriptures were still in the Bible, not inside of your being. You opened them, read and memorized them, but when you closed the book, that was it.

LoJ:
I would habe become someone in the direction to what I am now.

In other words seeing Jesus in person does not make you a better believer in Him, but a better sorcerer? For i know you are a sorcerer or a mystic.

LoJ:
Yes. I mean by Jesus the egregore of Christianity. Christ in himself is more of an internal godly state of consciousness.

Oh, Jesus is a state of consciousness now no more a Physical walking, talking material human being?

LoJ:
You seem to believe that a person is limited to physical body. A thesis that even the Bible disagrees with.

Lolzzzzzzzzzz. When you asked if I had seen Jesus in Person, you didn't infer a Spiritual Encounter. You meant Physically. And, I said I hadn't met Him in flesh, but spiritually. Jesus is a Spirit, even in Spirit, He chooses to reveal Himself to whomever He chooses. If you called Him up and he appeared, just know that that was a demon impersonating Jesus. Not Jesus of Nazareth. You have no power or the authority to summoned Him. He is no respecter of persons. He answers to no one.

LoJ:
Yes, and going by that standard, anybidy that opens an assembly, a church building or Organisation, clearly does not know him. Jesus did not build any church, nor encouraged people to.

That there is an error. That is what Satan will have men believe so that he will have swell time gathering humans for hell.

You memorized all those scriptures yet you did not understand what they meant? Pls take a peak at the first 3 pages of the the book of Revelation, you'd see Jesus writing letters to His various Churches.

Do you believe in harvesting crops when they are due? Did Jesus call the human race crops and the world the harvest
filed? Yes He did. And where do you harvest crops and store? Barns or Silos. So Churches are Barns or Silos. Can you truly say you have gathered when you can't account for what gathered?

And if Jesus is against Churches, He wouldn't call the Temple His house and definitely wouldn't say this;
Haggai 1:7-10 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways.
Go up to the mountain, and bring wood, and build the house; and I will take pleasure in it, and I will be glorified, saith the LORD.
Ye looked for much, and, lo, it came to little; and when ye brought it home, I did blow upon it. Why? saith the LORD of hosts. Because of mine house that is waste, and ye run every man unto his own house.
Therefore the heaven over you is stayed from dew, and the earth is stayed from her fruit.

LoJ:
Even a litteral understanding of the Bible is enough to know that Jesus taught a way of life, a inner Christianity and not a religion.

lolzzzzzzzzzz. In this we agree. Jesus taught Love. Love in a relationship. He taught giving, compassion. Peace, forgiveness, and all these boils down to Love.

and the religion that he prefers most is the religion of Loving the orphans and helping those in need. That is the true religion.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

LoJ:
Very nice. Keep following him then sincerely, and you will see the truth in what I am saying at the appropriate time. When you are ready.

I will eventually see the truth is Mystical Christianity?

jesusjnr:
Yeah! like Jesus had when He said it to Peter His disciple.

Any one that allows himself to be used by the devil to frustrate the efforts of God to bring back His creation to Him is worthy of being told, rebuked as such.

That's why the likes of hardmirror left their faith in God because of unchristlike Christians as yourself, who don't care about the sheep, but their own selfish interests.

You shouldn't have come here in the first place, if you knew that you had nothing positive or good to offer, for even hardmirror an atheist knew who I meant by the Jesusmirror.

But of course you had to be your usual unchristlike christian self, to spoil one's effort to bring the sheep of the Master which had gone astray, back to Him, as characteristic.

So "get thee behind me Satan" for the second time, just in case you didn't get it the first time, for your useless presence here is unwelcomed!

Tempers indeed!

#nonspiritualsense!

And how did I do that? I only perceived you were rather glorifying yourself before hardmirror instead of Christ.

Lukuluku69:
Oga, where did you read that I said Ishmael was a Jew? Where? Please if need be put on your reading Glasses before you read o. Abraham is

The Father of Ishmael, Isaac, Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah (8 in all)

Let me start with the one you know.

Isaac had two sons. Jacob and Esau . Jacob had 12 son. Reuben, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun: Joseph, and

Benjamin Dan, and Naphtali:Gad, and Asher. These Twelve were Original called the Israel after their Father's name. These are the so called

Twelve Tribes of Israel. Now, immediately after Solomon's reign, the Ten of these Tribes rebelled and form the Northern Kingdom of Israel.

Leaving Judah and Benjamin to form the Southern Kingdom of Israel. Judah being numerous and powerful assimilated the fewer Benjamin

Tribe. The Word "Jew" came from Judah and subsequently the Southern Kingdom came to be known as "Judea". So, properly speaking, Jews

are just two Tribes out of the Twelve originally. The Other Ten were deported when the Chaldeans sacked their Kingdom and have been "Lost"

till date. That's why you here of the Lost Tribes of the House of Israel and not of Jews!

Esau was Edom and not a Jew and can't be called an Israelite because the name was given to the Children of his twin brother. Understand

Ye?

Now, Ishmael was taken to Paran in the wilderness to dwell. He he was there and his wife took a wife for him among the inhabitants which the

Bible says were Egyptians. So, he can't be an Israelite neither can you call him a Jew. The same for Abraham.

The other sons that Abraham had all have a Territory assigned them and they were all kings/Rulers among such people .

Jonah, Balaam, Job all descends from Esau, the Edomite. While Jethro descends from one of the Son of Ketura, while Muhammad rose from

Kedar the second son of Ishmael.

As you can see, God did not limit the blessing of Prophethood to Isaac son a lone but all of Abraham sons and grandsons were all blessed

With Prophethood. Remember, it was Jethro that housed Moses when he fled Egypt, gave him his own daughter to wife and also Taught him.

This has been what the Jews and the Christians would have otherwise.

Understand ye?

You totally went off track. The reason I responded to this thread is your claim that Jesse was Ismael, and that the Jews had the name changed to deceive the other nations of the world.

I was expecting you to trace from the point where the Jews changed the name and why. But, you went running down the genealogies of people who have no business being here.

If indeed Ismael was not a Jew, how then can he be Jesse, for Jesse was a Jew from the tribe of Judah.

Explain how the change happened.

Lukuluku69:
What I meant to say is that Jesse was a name contracted from Ishmael. And that the Jews knowing fully well the implication change the name

Ah okay. But, I'd believe this if the Bible did not keep mentioning Ismael instead of Jesse where necessary.

And again, If the Jews knew Muhammad was going to start Islam several hundred years after their books have been written, then maybe they would have indeed changed their texts, but how can they change their text when they didn't know Islam was coming to claim what you are claiming now? Or, Do you know at what point in history this alteration was made?
Let's see the meanings of the two names if one can replace the other

Lukuluku69:
and would rather have it read Jesse to put people of the Truth. That ultimately, the Nations of the World must follow the "Rod" from "Jesse"

In other words, the rod of Jesse or Ismael should have been Muhammad?

But if that is the case, then David and his 7 other brothers would come from Yemen in Arabia and not Jews from Bethlehem.

Besides the Jews do not even believe that 'The Rod of Jesse who is Jesus' is who the Bible says He is.

Lukuluku69:
Isaiah 11:1-3 KJV
[1] And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

This is Jesus in Prophesy, except you Claim Jesus came from Ismael. or as you said before Jesse is Ismael, then the Rod would mean Muhammad. But this Rod was prophesied to be born in Bethlehem Judah. Was Muhammad born in Judea? Or, that was Changed by the Jews too?

Lukuluku69:
[2] And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord ;

[3] And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord : and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

The point to note in this is that, when Isaiah wrote this David or "Jesse" his father are long dead!

Read the whole of Isaiah, where you see Jesse, the Original name should be Ishmael.

Yes, Jesse and David were long dead, that is becos the prophecy was not about them.

Prophecy speaks of the future, things to come, not the past. That was Isaiah telling his people from from tribe their Messiah will come from.


And again, pls step away from names and get into what the people did. Their actions. You know people not only by their names but by what they did.

For example, when we talk about prophet Muhammad we know we are talking about the foundation of Islam.

Jesse was a Jew, Ismael was not, becos only Jacob's Children are Jews.

LoJ:
You are not answering the question. I take it you never met him. So your faith is based on hearsay. All right then

You mean hear say as in people telling me they met Him in person?

I have had several Spiritual encounters with Him that I know beyond every reasonable doubt that that was Jesus. In person, tho, flesh and blood, standing and talking to me with a human voice, no, I have not met Him. But anytime I get confused about a thing and I need direction, I ask Him to point me through, He does it.
He even did 2 days ago.

jesusjnr:
Get thee behind me Satan!

Oh!!!. Temper, temper, temper.

LoJ:
No I never met him before becoming a pastor, which is why I became one in the first place

You never met Jesus in the flesh that is why you became a Pastor? So, where did your conviction of Him being the Lord and Savior came from?

LoJ:
Had I met him, I would have known it is useless to be a pastor.

What would you have become if you had met Him in Person?

LoJ:
Now I have met him a couple of times.

Oh, now that you have become a sorcerer you have met Jesus in Person a couple of times? Can I see a picture of him please? Don't tell me you'd meet Jesus of Nazareth in Person and you forget to take some pics.

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I do consider becoming a pastor again though[/quote:
Well, the world is booming with pastors like you now- -a-days. "Mystical Christians" as you rightly called them.

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There is much money to be made being a jelly haired sweet speaking deceiving prophet.

I'm glad you know that those who don't really know Him but claim they do are deceivers, who by the way, know that they'll stand before the very Jesus to answer for their activities. Don't believe it, it's okay.