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bashy_demy:
@ShiaMuslim we have been on this and they never wanna hear the truth you ask them Question give them proofs but still they turn it upside saying if you are not in spirit you cannot understand

they were making fun and have a good time.let them now face the reality."in spirit"?lol

yommyuk:
@vedaxcool

Have you forgotten that God rested on the 7th day after six days of creation.

the bible God needs rest.Allah (swt) does not need rest nor gets tired neither does He rests as the holy Quran 2:255 (ayatul-kursi) states:

Allah! There is no God save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous.

Salam dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

i found this forum and i was disgusted to read the rude posts made against islam and our beloeved Prophet (sa) in the other religion forum.i therefore joined to defend islam and the Prophet (sa) against the rude talk and baseless lies.

in this regards of bringing the fact to light,i am also aware that there is alot of misinformation among sunni muslims regarding their shia muslim brothers.as sunnis,i would like to know from you what you know about shia islam,the Ahlul-Bayt (as),Imam Hussain(as) and the battle of karbala,or what would you like to know?

if there is any shia in the forum,it would also be a pleasure to have him contribute.

Bi Amanillah!!!

yommyuk:
We christians will continue to have an enduring commitment to active belief in and allegiance to Jesus Christ whether you like it or not. Muslims will only have themselves to blame. Their sinful minds have made them proud and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. The bible says we only have one great High Priest who "HAS" entered heaven, Jesus Christ is his name. This is our belief on to which we hold firmly

To you, Jesus has become a stumbling block

obedience without understanding and reasoning is = BLINDNESS!!!

sinful minds? i wonder why muslim countries have the lowest rates of prostitution,HIV,robbery,illegitimate children,divorce,suicide,etc.on the contrary majority christian countries have the highest in all the sins listed.the holy spirit has gotten tired!oh dear!!!


who said the bible says you only have one high priest who has entered into heaven?you shebi?didnt Elijah too reach heaven according to your bible?but ofcourse there exist a contradiction regarding that between the new and old testaments.

thank you for that question.

i was really disgusted when i read one of the threads about the Prophet Muhammad (sa).it was full of lies and rudeness.its disgusting.they attribute all kind of lies to islam when the lies are infact not in islam but in the opposite direction,from the side of the liars.

all that i am saying is simple: you cannot rely on your bible.it cannot guide.false prophecies are only one example of that.as time goes on and i spend more time in this forum,you will see more and also you will see more of the beauty of islam and the Quran and the reality and truth.you can only be guided and delivered when you submit (islam) to God.only islam can guide you and only God can save you.those who design themselves on sundays with a bible under their arm and parading the streets dressing like models and going on preaching do not know anything about the bible.if they know,they will cover their faces and hide.

FALSE PROPHECIES ATTRIBUTED TO JESUS:

Mark 16:16-20
16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

According to the above,anyone who “believes” can do the following:
1.) Drive out demons
2.) Speak in tongues
3.) Pick up snakes with their hands
4.) Drink poison and will not get hurt
5.) Heal people

Ok.we’ve heard people claim so many things,but i have not seen #3 and #4 nor have anyone who “believe” claimed that.the last time a pastor entered a lion’s cage,he was tore apart.

Matthew 24:29-35

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Ok, its more than 2000 years and we are still waiting for those stated above to happen.still waiting and the evangelist is still intimidating people that the hour is at hand and they will be doomed with outdated unfulfilled prophecies!


Matthew 16:27-28
27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Ok, ”some standing here” have rotten in their graves!


Mark 13:30-31
30Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. [/b]31Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Ok, ”these generations” have long pass.


[b]Mark 9:1

1And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Na lie!!!all of dem done die!!!lol


Luke 9:27
27But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

All of them are died and gone!!!!!!!!!!!!


John’s Predictions:


Revelation 1:1-3

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

At whose hand?


1 John 2:18
18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, .even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time


Paul’s Predictions:

Hebrews 10:37

37For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

among all the false prophecies cited,the ones of paul are the ones that express the hope for everlasting life and the fear of death the most.lets see further!


1 Thessalonians 4:13-17
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


1 Corinthians 15:49-55
49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, and then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

In the above,Paul said he would be catch up with others in the cloud and meet the Lord in the air.in other words,he will be flying!!!the christian imaginative belief in the Rapture is from these verses of false and unfulfilled prophecies that failed expectation.paul predicted in the above that:

1.) The Lord will decend
2.) The voice of the archangel
3.) The dead will rise first
4.) Those of them alive will not die
5.) They will follow those who rose from the dead and catch up with them in the clouds
6.) They will meet their lord in the air
7.) And they shall ever be with the lord and he will never die.
If one examines the Last Testament of God,the Holy Quran,you will find it clearly stated that “every soul shall have the taste of death”.
Every soul shall have a taste of death: in the end to Us shall ye be brought back. (Holy Quran 29:57)
Truly thou wilt die (one day), and truly they (too) will die (one day). (Holy Quran 39:30)

but here in the new testament we have the fake prophet paul,who distorted the teachings of Jesus by adding his own ideas wishing that he will never die!!!fear of death!!!

I can hardly believe that someone like paul can just be believed and taken seriously with no examination while christians even go as far as lying to condemn islam and its Prophet.about 3 quarters of the books of the new testament were written by Paul,a fake prophet!!!!look at paul’s contradictory words:
ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED BY GOD[/B]

[b]2 Timothy 3:16
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

According to the same Paul,not all scripture is from God.Some are personal contributions:

1 Corinthians 7:6
6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

Does God give man the permission to make false prophecies and utter commands contrary to His will?

1 Corinthians 7:12
12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

Did Paul ask the Lord about the above issue? Or does the Lord compromise with His law? or is Paul allowed to go contrary to what the Lord says and issue wrong opinions and not facts obligatory to abide by?

@ bashy demy:

dey no fit, wallahi dey no born dem well to insult MUHAMMAD!!!is it not the yeye bible they believe is the word of God?!!!we shall know where the truth is and where falsehood is!we shall see all the absurdities,false prophecies,*p*o*r*n*o*g*r*a*p*h*y*,non-logic and contradictions that is contained in that book and in the beliefs of christianity outside that book.

all they have been blabbing is ignorance.let them bring their pastors and all their preachers.infact,let the pope himself come.i am ready to expose falsehood.all they have done in this thread is to present ignorance and texts taking out of context,either misrepresented,misunderstood,mistranslated or mis-read,or deliberately twisted.

we know where all the falsehood belongs in.inshaAllah as time goes i will be exposing the falsehood of christianity.

let me admit that,ive tried to understand why ignorance can overtake men,but your own ignorance here is alarming.and you think you are making sense. when it comes to the nonsense found in the bible "excanny" can explain nonsense.biblical nonsense is explanable.but things he doesnt understand from the Quran is so many negative things to him.but he doesnt know that his ignorance is blinding him when it comes to the Quran.he does not know the reason why muslims believe islam and the quran are superior to christianity and the bible.i really now understand why people always kill yourselves.lol.i think I now see the reason wahhabis like killing the “infidels”.lol.you’re just evil liars and I will expose you inshaAllah with logic and facts.

DOES THE QURAN SAY YOU CAN TAKE THE WIVES OF MEN CAPTURED JUST LIKE YOU PICK FRUITS FROM A GARDEN or as “excanny” says[b]:” as sexual property of their captors with Mohammed's blessing? What a shame!” ?[/b]

AND WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT WOMEN CAPTURED FROM WARS WHOSE HUSBANDS ARE DEAD?WE SHALL SEE NOW!!!

"excanny" SAYS

What i mean is this. Take for an example this Quranic verse and its Hadith interpretation.

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:
And forbidden to you are
wedded wives of other people
except those who have fallen in
your hands (as prisoners of
war).

FROM SAHIH MUSLIM,
VOLUME 2, #3432
            Abu Said al-Khudri
reported that at the Battle of
Hunain Allah's messenger sent
an army to Autas and
encountered the enemy and
fought with them.  Having
overcome them and taken them
captives, the Companions of
Allah's messenger seemed to
refrain from having intercourse
with captive women because of
their husbands being polytheists.
Then Allah, Most High, sent
down regarding that:  "And
women already married, except
those whom your right hands
possess (Quran - 4:24), (i.e. they
were lawful for them when their
Idda (menstrual) period came to
an end).

Captured married women as sexual property of their captors with Mohammed's blessing? What a shame!

DOES THE QURAN SAY YOU CAN TAKE THE WIVES OF MEN CAPTURED JUST LIKE YOU PICK FRUITS FROM A GARDEN?AND WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT WOMEN CAPTURED FROM WARS WHOSE HUSBANDS ARE DEAD?WE SHALL SEE NOW!!!


Tonye-t clamors for ignorance:

Let me try to understand your claim here

According to Sura 4:24 - another man's wife should not be taken in as your wives except that they possess them in war

According to  SAHIH MUSLIM,VOLUME 2, #3432 - Allah's messengers refrained from sleeping with the women of fallen soldiers until a word came down from Allah that they should go ahead.

Dont these statements assert the same thing? does your quote show any differentness between the Quran and the writings of the Hadiths?. . .i really dont get you my friend.

While the Quran says that muslim men can marry women captured from war,there is no hint but infact the contrary that the marriage must  be forced upon the women or as the ignorant “excanny” describes: “as sexual property of their captors with Mohammed's blessing? What a shame!” I think shame is upon the ignorant or the fool who maybe deliberately twisting Quranic verses and quoting hadiths out of context.

What does sura 4 verse 24 to 25 REALLY say?lets take a read:

Pickthal:
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. thus hath Allah ordained (prohibitions) against you: except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,― desiring chastity, not lust. Seeing that ye derive benefit from them give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, ye agree mutually (to vary it) there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-Knowing All-Wise. (24) If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: and Allah hath full knowledge about your Faith. Ye are one from another: wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: they should be chaste not lustful nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint: And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Yusuf Ali:

Sura 4:24

And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

If those men consider those captured women as sex property would they really give them dower as the holy Quran instruct them or would they care about them being "content"? The verses clearly show that is not the case.

So now the question is why did the companions hesistate to marry those women?because in sura 2,muslim men are not allowed to marry free non-captured polytheists.the above is making an exception of those captured polytheist women,who through the muslim men,these captured women may believe in Allah and therefore be married.

THE QURAN ON ADULTERY:

And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way. (HOLY QURAN 17:32)

The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment. (2) The adulterer shall not marry save an adulteress or an idolatress, and the adulteress none shall marry save an adulterer or an idolater. All that is forbidden unto believers.(holy Quran 24:2-3)

WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT WOMEN CAPTURED DURING WAR?

"Now therefore KILL every male among the little ones, and KILL every woman (female) that hath known man by lying (having sex) with him. "But keep ALIVE for yourselves all the GIRLS and all the women who are VIRGINS." NUMBERS 31:17-18



"And the Jews salvaged for themselves 32,000 virgins, verse 35

WHEN EXAMINED CLOSELY,A READER WOULD ASK HIMSELF:HOW CAN A SOLDIER IN THE BATTLE-FIELD EXAMINE OR IDENTIFY A VIRGIN?THE ABOVE VERSES OF THE BIBLE ARE BELIEVED TO BE INSTRUCTIONS BY GOD.SO IT DOESN’T MATTER IF THE VERSES ARE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.I KNOW THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE GOD OF THE NEW AND THE OLD TESTAMENTS IS THE SAME GOD.THAT GOD IS TELLING HIS SALVATION ARMY TO despoil VIRGINS AND KILL WOMEN THAT ARE NOT VIRGINS.NOW TELL ME WHICH IS MORE HUMANE,THE QURAN OR THE BIBLE? THE QURAN IS TELLING US TO MARRY THOSE CAPTURED WOMEN THAT BELIEVE,WHILE THE BIBLE IS TELLING YOU TO KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT IS NOT VIRGIN!!!!AMAZING!!!AND PEOPLE STILL HAVE THE EFFONTERY TO TALK ABOUT THE QURAN AND PRETEND ON THE BIBLE!!!!!!


ADULTERY IS DEMONSTRATED BY MEN OF GOD IN THE BIBLE:

David:

2 Samuel 11:4 (New International Version)
4 Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then [a] she went back home.

Judah (the grandfather of your "lord and saviour" COMMITS INCEST AND ADULTERY:

Genesis 38:15 (New International Version)

15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a love-peddler, for she had covered her face. 16 Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the roadside and said, "Come now, let me sleep with you."


INCEST IN THE BIBLE:

LOT:

Genesis 19:33-35 (New International Version)

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.


SON OF DAVID *R*A*P*E*S* HIS SISTER IN THE BIBLE:
2 Samuel 13:13-14

12 "Don't, my brother!" she said to him. "Don't force me. Such a thing should not be done in Israel! Don't do this wicked thing. 13 What about me? Where could I get rid of my disgrace? And what about you? You would be like one of the wicked fools in Israel. Please speak to the king; he will not keep me from being married to you." 14 But he refused to listen to her, and since he was stronger than she, he despoiled her.



TASTING YOUR FATHER'S *V*A*G*I*N*A* JUICE IN THE BIBLE:

2 Samuel 16:22 (New International Version)
22 So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he lay with his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel.


THERE ARE MORE EXAMPLES.BUT I WILL CONTAIN MYSELF WITH THE ONES LISTED.

every abomination is found in the bible.it is like poisoned honey.evil is mixed with goodness.you also have every disgusting belief against God.and here you come preaching ignorance and attributing it to islam.may God make you pay for the rubbish you post and for the time your have made me waste replying to your nonsense.

quote-Tonye-t :

FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH MUSLIM, vol. 1,

1.582: Abu Huraira narratedAbu Huraira was one of the writers of the Quran who gave his own account about Muhammed, just like Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were to the gospels)

Allah's Apostle said, "When the Adhan is pronounced Satan takes to his heels and passes wind (farts) with noise during his flight in order not to hear the Adhan. When the Adhan is completed he comes back and again takes to his heels when the Iqama is pronounced and after its completion he returns again till he whispers into the heart of the person (to divert his attention from his prayer) and makes him remember things which he does not recall to his mind before the prayer and that causes him to forget how much he has prayed."

see above bold as just one example of a lie and a hadith taken out of context.

1.) abu huraira was NEVER a writer of revelation (Quran).he was NEVER a scribe of the Poprhet (pbuh).he converted late into islam and hardly spent two years before the passing of the Prophet.the Prophet spent 23 years preaching.

2.) you are comparing in the above the scribes of the Prophet to the writers of the so called 4 gospels.the writers of the 4 goespels are anonymous.these gospels are attributed to those names-mathew,mark,luke and john.internal evidence in those 4 books themselves show that those books have being written either partly or wholely by someone other than the name attributed to the book.also the Quran was written under the supervision of the Prophet himself,while in the lifetime of Jesus there is no evidence that he instructed anyone to pen down a stroke or letter.

3.) if it is ridiculous to you to say that satan takes to his heels when the name of God is mentioned,how much more ridiculous can any man be to "command" demons as your pastors do "in the name of, "the hadith in the above has nothing wrong or funny in it.even if that hadith was not uttered by the Prophet,and the chain of its narration is weak or rejectable,logically there is no lie or evil in it and i or anyone can accept it.the hadith has morals to teach about satan's unending quest to distract man from the worship of God.it also tells us about the power in the remembrance of God.

4.)another clear sign of ignorance in your post,is assuming that the jinn mentioned in the Quran are demons.Jins are spirit beings.they are not demons nor demonic.there are good jinns and bad jinns.there are believing jinns and unbelieving jinns.they can take forms just as angels.they are just like humans in terms of evil and good.logically speaking,we have heard of aliens.they may be aliens based in other planets or in another universe who frequent visits to the earth.

i must really lament the fact that the moderators of the forums are not applying tough rules that would stop people from posting nonsense.

Salam,

of all the Quranic verses presented on the topic,i cannot find one that is hilarious.the topic starter has showed his ugly face and ignorant state by going through hadith books like that of bukhari to bring out ridiculous hadith that even muslims do not accept.as for myself as evident from my username,i am a shia muslim and therefore all the hadith you quoted are from sunni sources,we do not consider them as authoritative even though one may yet find true ones in the lot.in other words there are hadith in sunni books the shia do also accept. but no matter what,that does not give you the right to justify your ignorance by mocking a man who is revered by 1.5 billion people and who was foretold and prophesied by your so called "lord and savior and suicidal lamb" based on your beliefs of fanatasies of pagan origins.ofcourse as a muslim first of all,i do believe in Isa (Jesus) as a prophet of God but i do not accept the beliefs you ascribe to him.you have no right to use words like "foolishness" no matter the nonsense of those hadith.

going back to the issue of hadith books,you must know that there are hadith no less ridiculous than some bible verses.i am a muslim and i am telling you that many things are found ridiculous in the hadith because unlike the Quran the hadith was narrated by different men from different places and was not preserved just as the bible unlike the Quran.as i have registered i would be opening threads to expose the falsehood of christianity as a whole and its pagan and nonsensical roots.

Jeremiah 8:8 (King James Version)

8How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

i would also like to note that some of the hadith,like the ones narrated by abu huraira presented by the topic started are totally rejected by shia muslim.abu huraira is considered unreliable and his hadiths are totally unacceptable to shia.this is the same man who forged a hadith in order to sell onions for instance.

even though we dont deny the presence of false hadith which are exposed and identified by muslim scholars,both shia and sunnis,the ignorance of the topic starter is also overwhelming and his rudeness is alarming.no parental manners to say the least.i do not intend to go through each hadith he presented and analyse it but i can confidently say that some hadith were taken out of the context and can be proven right.