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Sweetnecta:
So you likened these persons to the way the bible saw Ishmael; Yahweh naming him and blessing him, then turn around to curse him? If this is your view, don't you see that the purpose of saying that these people will go to paradise is defeated by your cursing them? Is Allah correct or if we differ from Him, we are not wrong?

your comparison is again wrong.i really expect you to be smarter than this.

Ismail (as) was a prophet of Allah (swt).prophets have ISMA.

those people you are refering to are ordinary muslims and followers of the ProphetMuhammad (sa) who do not have nubuwwah themselves.if the followers of Musa (as) could change while he was alive with them and they became apostates,then why is it difficult to believe that some followers of Muhammad (sa) turned bad after his death? at least you can see the many wars fought after his death and how they hated and killed each other.that is not the fault of islam or the Prophet Muhammad (sa) if that is how it feels to you.there is free will and people do as they please.the Quran in 2:256 tells us "there is no compulsion in religion".

If i read the above correctly, is there any reason for any muslim to curse an one that Allah says paradise is for them? Have you seen any verse that Allah guaranteed success for an one and then he ended up in ruin? Could you tell me if Muhammad [as] was not the final authority on Islam and why would Allah surround him to the end with people you term evil, even from his marriage? I looked in the history of mankind, there is no one Allah says is destined for hellfire that did not exhibit such quality [abu Jahal, abi Lahab, abi Talib].

take the examples of the wives of Noah and Lot (as) who were two wives of two great prophets of Allah (as) and yet in the end Allah (swt) destined them for the hell fire as recorded in the Holy Quran.secondly,Allah (swt) in those verses never promised anyone by name paradise.Allah (swt) cited the actions which merit paradise.if actions go bad,then the action will merit hell fire.blood relation or comapnionship to a prophet does not merit paradise.it is the deed and beliefs of men that Allah (swt) will judge.

lastly,Abu Talib (as) was a muslim before he died.you can check here.again,the distortions in islamic history have made Abu Talib a kafir because he was the father of Imam Ali (as) while Abu Sufya,the father of Muawiya was made a mu'min.see: Shia View of the Companions

may Allah forgive all muslims. Amin. While we label ourselves, Allah does not label us. Again, i am a married man. If somebody asked me to show my family, the first i will produce is my wife, then my offspring. then my other blood line members, if i do not have mother and father that is. In minimal effort i have devoted to Islam, i have not seen a man or woman among listed above that qualifies for "enemy' of Muhammad [as] and his household.

ameen!

but sincerely,i want to ask you a question:

what would be your judgement if your wife killed any of your children?

Sermon 34 of Nahjul-Balagha by Imam Ali (alayhis-salam)-To prepare the people for fighting with the people of Syria (supporters of Muawiya)

http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/

please pay attention to the last paragraph which starts by "O people" which clearly shows that the sermon was addressed to muslims/people generally and not to the "shi'at Ali" who were the close supporters,loyalists and followers of the Imam,commonly refered to as "shia".this was at a time when the 1st Imam (i.e. Imam Ali) was declared as the 4th caliph and Muawiya made an insurgency against his legitimate rule.

and for those demonizing the so called "shia" in the past for being bad followers of the Imams of the Ahlul-Bayt (as),a simple question:

if you have the opportunity to be a followers of the Imams of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) and be a good Shia today or be a follower of their enemies who conceal the truth,which would you choose? i would definitely be a good shia presently because a good shia is a good muslim first of all and because being a shia means to be a lover,supporter,loyalists,and follower of the 12 Imams of the Ahlul-Bayt (as) which is definitely the will of the Prophet Muhammad (sa) and will definitely please Allah (swt).i dont care how bad any shia was.my business is to be a good shia myself.simply because there are also bad muslims,does it mean no one should become muslim?or does it mean all of us should leave islam and stop being muslims because there were bad muslims?

Holy Quran,al-Hujurat 49:6:

"O you who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done".

Hadith of Pen and Paper

Saqīfah banī Sāˤidat

The Events at Saqifah

Hadith of Position

Hadith of the Pond of Khumm

Hadith of the Two Weighty Things

Hadith of Twelve Successors

Hadith of Mubahela

Hadith of the Cloak

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imamah_%28Shi%27a_Twelver_doctrine%29]Imamate[/url]

Battle of Karbala

Battle of the Camel

Battle of Siffin

Battle of Nahrawan

(note:all the sources of the above are neither shia nor sunni;they are from a "neutral" source.you can find out more on the above listed items by searching online).

Majlis urges UK police to end violence:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/193077.html

'Iran ready to send HR examiners to UK' :
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/193083.html

Ahmadinejad raps UK brutality in unrest:
http://www.presstv.com/detail/193256.html

for TRANSLATION and TRANSLITERATION,the dua (supplication) can be found in the link below in full:

http://www.duas.org/iftitah.htm

@frosbel

please,if you really believe the words of the bible and you stand against addition and subtraction in the bible,i would only ask you to watch the first video,which is the shortest and only about 10 minutes.

you will see who is really playing with the bible.

it was not Deedat that added an subtracted from Mathew and John.Deedat never had his own "version" of the bible.

so much nonsense talk and hatred from the pretenders and "turn-your-cheek" actors.

is this what your religion taught you on how to poke fun on the dead and mock their old age and health condition?

Ahmad Deedat died a natural death after a life well spent.he suffered a stroke at old age.a stone did not fall out of the sky to knock him down.so i really dont know what downfall are the angry christians talking about.

the downfall that should be talked about is the downfall of the christian and missionary opponents of Deedat who debated him and lied against islam and the Quran.Anis Shorrous is in jail for arson.another popular evangelist Jimmy Swaggart was caught repeatedly even after his confession with pros.titutes and committed adultery.now those instances the opponents of Deedat faced are disgraceful and downfall from grace.on the other hand,illness and death is no downfall because everyone of us will encounter them and all will have to taste the painful test of death even the wicked christian that wrote the appallling article.

you can mock Deedat's health as you like,but his message made perfect sense and he individually demolished christianity in all its false doctrines and denominations with his powerful debates and lectures,which can be found widely on youtube.

Anu Yakubu:
@Lagoshia.
Thanks for d info. However, it's obvious that you have wrong view of Jw.

no i do not.

i do have unfavorable and also favorable views about them.since this is a religious forum where beliefs are propagated,i am obliged to make things clear by exposing what i see as unfavorable and not the truth.

Remember u are a muslim, and I am pretty sure u know little or nothing about d scriptures, hence, this topic is not one of those topics u could have a meaningful contribution.

i would challenge any JW on the bible and prove to you that i am more knowledgeable about the bible than you are.i open any bible and read.i am not fed patches of bible verses that are explained and interpreted and tailored to suit any doctrine from only one version.i open the bible not with any magazine or preconceived nition.i can point out many things to you only from the bible if you wish.i am not boasting but i am sure you cannot say the same about the Holy Quran.

besides,there are differences in your New World Translation (bible version of JWs) that i strongly disagree with.those i have already discussed in the other thread (link presented in my previous post).

i find it suprising that JWs boast of scripture knowledge and use big terms when infact they are aquainted with the awake and watchtower magazines than the bible.you are taught the bible from those magazine,thus the bible is your secondary source of knowledge and not the direct source for you.you are taught well from the bible in those magazines to cushion your beliefs and i dont doubt the effort you put.but talking about the bible as a whole,you are even told not to approach it personally because you lack the knowledge.

i have attended meetings in your kingdom hall more than 10 times.i know many things about the religion as i have associated myself with your brethren.but to be honest i see many things sugarcoated and concealed from you and i see mind control and serious programming and brainwashing that render the minds of your brethren very fixed.

As for d website u posted, we are used to it, there are millions of them, google can help you out to fetch them, just be very careful of such money making websites as most of them are designed by scammers who wants to feed haters like u with info your biased mind wants to hear and not for free, they would definitely expect u to donate. Open d site u posted yourself and confirm, they will ask u to donate money. The site claims to disclose some bad things about watchtower, do they really need your donation to do that? Moreover, point out any bible truth they have thought you in d website. They are just helping u to miss d point.

i am not a hater nor do i need anyone to teach me any bible "truth".there is really nothing mysterious in reading english if your bible is written in english.

the website accused your organization of doing likewise.your organization also collect donations.does the watchtower organization need money to spread the truth especially when it is "foot soldiers" like yourself that go door to door to preach and fish for converts?

i have gone through the website.now its your turn to.

just dont pick on a point to build a mountain.examine the message and dont pick on the messenger.

Nonetheless, if at all JW is that bad, no matter what, islam would not b the next option, I don't know where u stay, but I have been in North for a while now, and have experienced a lot of u people's activities when it comes to killing, Desecrating, stealing and destroying innocent people's lifes and properties in d name of religion, I think u should spend more time sCrutinizing your religion rather than critizing one. Have u ever heard about JW killing people, stealing or destroying people's property? Be sincere with yourself. No, rather we look for ways to help people.

i actually think from your above words that you are not a so-smart-JW.otherwise i expect better than those words from you.are you telling me that it is islam that make people steal or commit crime?i as a muslim know well that there is really no religion that ask its followers to do evil because religion is meant to bring goodness.

the problem with your attitude is the fact that you take people's actions as the command of their religion.what religion teaches is different from what people may do.

i can already see you have a preconceived notion that i am a northerner.

i am not telling you you are bad or your religion is.i am only telling you that JW is not the truth and far from it.it is only disguised with half-truths and fallacies that when you really think deep you see nothing but falsehood.your doctrines are really well packaged and marketed.as for islam being the next option,i dont expect a JW to see it as an option.you have to first open your "pad-lock" that cages you and make a sincere and unbiased research.i can help you on so many topics and we can discuss them here one by one.

Check out all watchtowers publications, good morales is being taught, principles of how to live a healthier live and maintain a good relationship with your neighbour and God is being taught. And above all, your attention is directed to God as d only solution provider to human problem, and He is going to accomplish this when our Lord'd prayer is fully answered; Our Father, who at in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth, as it is done in heaven,

no one religion monopolizes universal truths and values.so dont boast of them.

Everyone, I think, this is where I shall be saying bye to u guyz. Anyone that really wants to learn about JW and God's purposes with an open mind can contact me on the contacts I earlier posted. Thank u all.

the issue is not about whether people want to learn.ofcourse if they do want to learn you can teach them easily what your religion is as it is.the issue is are you willing to also listen to others and question your programming you have undergone?

even a herbalist can teach others juju.but does it make it right?

limpopo:
hi there, am a muslim bt i dont pratice it which i dont like myself mostly because i cant read d koran. pls how do i start

get a copy of the Holy Quran in english.

like these:

http://quran.com/1

http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/

also try to get a good tafsir (commentary) of the Quran in english.i would recommend tafsir-al-mizan.

here is the link to tafsir al-mizan:

http://www.shiasource.com/al-mizan/

For  God’s sake you do not even pronounce/write the word correctly.

TAQIYYAH IN HOLY QURAN (SIX QURANIC VERSES AS EVIDENCE):

First verse
"Anyone who after accepting faith in Allah utters unbelief except under compulsion his heart remaining firm in faith but such as open their bosom to unbelief on them is Wrath from Allah and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty"
Surah An-Nahal, verse 106 transliteration


Second verse
Let not the believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
Surah Al-Imran, verse 28 transliteration of Abdullah Yusuf Ali

Bukhari records in his Sahih:
وقال ‏{‏إلا أن تتقوا منهم تقاة‏}‏ وهى تقية

“‘Except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them (3:28)’ and this is Taqqiyah”

Interestingly, late Salafi scholar Maulana Waheed uz Zaman who has translated Sahih Bukhari into Urdu translated the above portion as follows:

"Yes, it is permissible that you, on your own implement precautionary measures in order to keep your self safe from infidels (while apparently become their friends) i.e. adopt Taqqiyah"
  Sahih Bukhari, Arabic to Urdu by Maulana Waheed uz Zaman, vol 3 pages 767-768

extensive research with documented references on the Tragedy of Lady Fatima (as).

[size=18pt]Tragedy Of Fatima Zahra (as) : Proofs [/size]

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234990547-tragedy-of-fatima-zahra-as-proofs/

Hardeyorlah:
y shld i called Muhammed when abd Rahman,Raheem,Malik etc are there

who is "abdul rahman"?

P3:
@ SWEET T, if only you were properly brought up, So i say to you, GOD PUNISH YOU!, and may you live to regret the insult on the Prophet Muhammad (SAW). AMEN

dear brother,

may God not punish him because he is ignorant.may God open his eyes and heart to see the light of al-islam.

Digriz:
As a xtian myself and many other xtians,we hv the habit of calling the name of our lord Jesus or Jesus Christ weneva we experience a danger and that name is doing wonders for us. And my question nw goes to our muslims brothers if they also do same to Mohammed as we do?

DO WE CALL THE NAME OF 'MUHAMMAD' IN TIMES OF HARDSHIP?YES WE DO!but do we worship him?no we don't!!!

so why do we call the name of our beloved Prophet (sa)? do we call the name of our Prophet (sa) as christians deify and call Jesus (as)?no we dont.

yes we do call the name (especially shia but also sunnis as the videos below show a sunni sheikh defending the practice of tawassul) but not in form of worship but tawassul!

this is known as "tawassul" or seeking intercession or nearness to God through His chosen ones and seeking aid from God through His favored ones.as shia we do not only call the name of the Prophet (sa) but we also call the names of the Ahlul-Bayt (as).

PART 1:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5bRzDRzBEY&feature=player_embedded

PART 2:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb3Mzz4QF1U&feature=related

muhsin:
• Shiites concept of dissimulation wreaks on simple-minded Muslims.

TAQIYYAH or “Expedient Dissimulation” in the Holy Quran:

"Anyone who after accepting faith in Allah utters unbelief except under compulsion his heart remaining firm in faith but such as open their breast to unbelief on them is Wrath from Allah and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty"
Surah An-Nahal, verse 106


Let not the believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
Surah Al-Imran, verse 28

[Holy Quran 40:28] A believer, a man from among the people of Pharaoh, who had concealed his faith, said: "Will ye slay a man because he says, 'My Lord is Allah'?- when he has indeed come to you with Clear (Signs) from your Lord? and if he be a liar, on him is (the sin of) his lie: but, if he is telling the Truth, then will fall on you something of the (calamity) of which he warns you: Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies!

Surah Qasas verses 10-12 wherein this matter is discussed:

And the heart of the mother of Moses became void, and she would have betrayed him if We had not fortified her heart, that she might be of the believers.
And she said unto his sister: Trace him. So she observed him from afar, and they perceived not.
And We had before forbidden foster-mothers for him, so she said: Shall I show you a household who will rear him for you and take care of him?

[Holy Quran 12:4] When Yusuf said to his father: O my father! surely I saw eleven stars and the sun and the moon-- I saw them making obeisance to me.
[Holy Quran 12:5] He said: O my son! do not relate your vision to your brothers, lest they devise a plan against you; surely the Shaitan is an open enemy to man.

• Prophet’s Companions are far from deserving curse.

We read the following traditions in Sahih al-Bukhari:

Hadith: 8.578
Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount". 'Abdullah added: The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount, and some of you will be brought in front of me till I will see them and then they will be taken away from me and I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' It will be said, 'You do not know what they did after you had left.' Hadith: 8.584

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "Some of my companions will come to me at my Lake Fount, and after I recognise them, they will then be taken away from me, whereupon I will say, 'My companions!' Then it will be said, 'You do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you."
(also Sahih Muslim, part 15, pp 53-54)

Hadith: 8.585

Narrated Abu Hazim from Sahl bin Sa'd:

The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor (forerunner) at the Lake-Fount, and whoever will pass by there, he will drink from it and whoever will drink from it, he will never be thirsty. There will come to me some people whom I will recognise, and they will recognise me, but a barrier will be placed between me and them.

" Abu Hazim added: Nu'man bin Abi 'Aiyash, on hearing me, said. "Did you hear this from Sahl?" I said, "Yes." He said, " I bear witness that I heard Abu Said al-Khudri saying the same, adding that the Prophet said: 'I will say: They are my companions. Then it will be said to me, 'You do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you left'.

I will say, 'Far removed, far removed (from mercy), those who changed after me." Abu Huraira narrated that the Prophet said, "On the Day of Resurrection a group of companions will come to me, but will be driven away from the Lake-Fount, and I will say, 'O Lord (those are) my companions!' It will be said, 'You have no knowledge as to what they innovated after you left; they turned apostate as renegades (reverted from the true Islam)"

Hadith: 8.587

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "While I was sleeping, a group (of my followers were brought close to me), and when I recognised them, a man (an angel) came out from amongst (us) me and them, he said (to them), 'Come along.' I asked, 'Where?' He said, 'To the (Hell) Fire, by Allah' I asked, 'what is wrong with them?' He said, 'They turned APOSTATE as renegades after you left.

' Then behold! (Another) group (of my followers) were brought close to me, and when I recognised them, a man (an angel) came out from (me and them) he said (to them); Come along.'I asked, "Where?' He said, 'To the (Hell) Fire, by Allah.' I asked, 'What is wrong with them?' He said, 'They turned APOSTATE as renegades after you left. So I did not see anyone of them escaping except a few who were like camels without a shepherd."
Faced with such explicit traditions the Nasibis often try to re-define Sahaba here, namely that the words dont refer to the Sahaba per se but in fact refer to the Ummah as a whole throughout history (ie. that the vast bulk of the Ummah will be in the fire). To counter this we suggest Nasibis check the Arabic it says the words Sahaba. We are yet to find any Arabic dictionary that states the word Sahaba has the connotation of Ummah.

Further proofs come from the wording of the traditions. In addition 8: 587 'They turned APOSTATE as renegades after you left.' When you LEAVE somebody, you do so having already BEEN WITH THEM, (i.e. he had been amongst them). The words "after you left" clearly indicate that the group being referred to are those who survived the Prophet (S) ie. the Sahaba. This is absolutely logical, when a parent dies, they leave behind them their children - they have survived their parents-they dont leave behind all their descendents until the day of resurrection.

Moreover in tradition 8: 585 Rasulullah (s) says There will come to me some people whom I will RECOGNIZE and in 8: 587 "While I was sleeping, a group (of my followers were brought close to me), and when I RECOGNIZED them. Now in both of these hadith our infallible Prophet (S) refers to a group "whom I will recognise" - I can only recognise someone if I have SEEN that person - common sense Rasulullah (s)s surprise is because he is seeing those who he sat with (companions) being lead into the fire.

These authentic traditions make it clear that the vast bulk of Sahaba

(1) Innovated
(2) Became Kaafir
(3) Only a few will be saved from the fire!

These are the Sahaba who are kafirs and yet the Shias are called kafirs for repeating the words of the Prophet (s). If calling the Sahaba kafir makes you one then this is the view espoused by your beloved Shaykh Bukhari.

• Ahlus Sunnah and Shiites: which one is on the correct path?
How can there be any compromise or link between the Ahl-us-Sunnah and the Shi’it? The Ahlus- Sunnah are those who uphold the Qur'aan and the Hadeeth (Sunnah). It is through them that Allah, the Exalted, has protected the deen. They are those who engaged in Jihaad for the glory and dignity of Islam and established the glorious history of Islam.

First let me remind you that Iran and Hezbollah the foremost fighters and supporters of the palestinian cause and who actually give them support in all forms are shia and not sunnis.the sunnis especially those of the arabian peninsula,which coincidentally is the cradle of islam,only care about dubai,flashy cars,gold and finding loopholes to escape sharia and do haram acts.

Who are the saved ones and who is right?let us hear the words of the Prophet:

The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your companions and your Shia (followers) will be in Paradise."

Sunni references:
1. Fadha'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p655
2. Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v4, p329
3. Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v12, p289
4. al-Awsat, by al-Tabarani
5. Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v10, pp 21-22
6. al-Darqunti, who said this tradition has been transmitted via numerous authorities.
7. al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar Haythami , Ch. 11, section 1, p247

On the other hand the state of the Shiites is that they are those who curse and insult the Sahabah ((RAma). They are those who are denigrating and demolishing Islam. For, indeed, it is the Sahaabah (RAma) who are the ones through whom the Deen has been passed down to us. So those people, who curse and insult them, in reality, are destroying Islam.

The sahabas should no doubt be respected for the good they did.there are good ones among them and also bad ones and hyporcites.you just cannot lump all the sahabas as one as if they were angels sent from heaven.that is the simple common sense you fail to see and you try to use over-simplicity to make your case which does not hold.

Therefore, how can there be any association or compromise between the Ahl-us-Sunnah and the Shiites whilst they Shiites curse and denigrate the three Khulafaa: Abu Bakr Siddeeq, Umar Faarooq and Uthman, (RAma) ?

If they had any sense, they would know and appreciate that they are in reality cursing the Holy Prophet (S.A.W) himself. Abu Bakr and Umar (RAma) were both fathers-in-law of the Prophet (S.A.W). Also, during the lifetime of the Prophet (S.A.W) both were his right hand men; and after his demise, it is they who had great worry feeling for the welfare of the Deen. Who else has ever been honoured with such a position and honour as was granted to these two? Again, it is these two who had always participated and had been with the Prophet (S.A.W) during all the Ghazaawaat (battles). These facts are enough to refute the Shiite beliefs.

Allah does not need the help of men to make His deen prevail.if men do good it is for their own good.if they do bad,Allah’s will will prevail all the same.do not be deceived that it was this man or that man that helped Allah’s chosen men or helped make islam prevail.Islam will prevail whether anyone does this or that and that is the promise of Allah.the Quran is an everlasting testimony to that.

He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.(At-Taubah: 33)

He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion. And Allah sufficeth as a Witness.(al-Fath: 28)
“If anyone thinks that Allah will not help Muhammad in this world and the hearafter, let them stretch out a rope to the ceiling and cut themselves off, then let them see whether their plan will remove that which enrages them.” [Al-Hajj: 15]

“We surely will give aid to our Prophets and those who believed in this world and on the day when the witnesses will stand forth. The Day when the oppressors’ excuses will be of no benefit to them, to them is the curse, and to them is the worst of dwellings.” [Ghaafir: 51-52]

“Those who oppose Allah and His Prophets, they will be in disgrace. Allah has written My Prophets and I will be victorious.” [Al-Mujaadalah: 20-21]

As for Uthmaan (RA), he was the husband to two daughters of the Prophet (S.A.W). It is clear that Allah, the Exalted, does not choose for His Rasool (S.A.W) a son-in-law and companions except those who are the best.

So why did Allah give and made out of the loins of Noah (as) a son that is cursed?

The point you should know when talking about relations,is the fact that blood ties have no role in making one enter paradise.your father can be a prophet like Noah and you can still be destined for damnation.

See how Allah denied Noah his son and even pointed out that because of his unrighteousness,he is far from being related to Noah.dont use sentiment and drama to separate right from wrong and truth from falsehood:

[b]HOLY QURAN 11:45-46:[/B]
And Noah called upon his Lord and said: "O my Lord! surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true and Thou art the Justest of Judges!" (45) He said: "O Noah! he is not of thy family: for his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou become one of the ignorant!"

If the Shiites are true to their claims, then could they explain why Rasoolullaah (S.A.W) did not forewarn the Ummah and clarify the alleged enmity of the Khulafaa ath-Thalaatha (ie Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthmaan (RAm) towards Islam?

How can a companion who insulted the Prophet be so beloved by you?
Did your umar not disobey the Prophet and refused to give him ink and paper to write a will after which the muslims will not go astray? What word did he use to insult the Prophet? didnt umar said the Prophet was talking “nonsense”? was the Prophet not angry with him? You can try to cover up for him over your own Prophet and the Messenger of Allah.but I would not.read the “hadith of the pen and paper”. you are annoyed about someone who insulted and angered the Prophet because of his own worldly plans.

Their insults and curses are not limited just to the Khulafaa ath-Thalaatha but are also directed towards Ali (RA). Because Ali (RA) himself, in Masjid Rabia, gave the oath of allegiance (bai'ah) to Abu Bakr (RA) and also gave his daughter, Umm Kulthum, (RA), in marriage to Umar (RA). He also willingly gave the oath of allegiance (bai'ah) to Uthmaan (RA). Not only this, but he was actually the right hand man and a well-wisher of the Khulafaa ath-Thalaatha. So could Ali (RA) have chosen a kaafir as a son-in-law for himself? And could Ali (RA) have given the oath of allegiance (bai'ah), as he did, to a kaafir? Subhaan Allaah! This indeed is a great accusation!

If you want to debate or hold a sane dialogue with me that is far from drama (as you’re used to) or making up fairytales then you’re welcome.if not,then keep your stories to yourself.

It is a known fact from sunni hadiths,that the issue of allegiance of Imam Ali to abu bakr is disputed.some hadiths report that Imam Ali never paid allegiance.some other report that he did six months after he had refused.he only finally paid allegiance after the passing away of his wife,the Prophet’s daughter,who was well opposed to abu bakr.whether he did or did not,it does not change the fact that on the day of Ghadir Khum as also reported in sunni hadiths,the Prophet declared Imam Ali as his divinely appointed successor.see “the hadith of the pond of ghadir khumm”
Imam Ali giving his daughter to a very old man called umar is out of every logic.the Prophet had denied umar marriage to his own daughter,Sayyidah Fatima.how would that old man marry one of the youngest children of Sayyidah Fatima?it is also known that umar had more than one wife by the name of “umm kulthum”.the story that Imam Ali gave his daughter to umar is another fantasy story made up by fools just like the so many fake and fabricated hadith stories invented to cover up the tragedy of ashura and its significance in relation to Imam Hussain.

I do not discuss your fantasies.keep them to yourself.if you want to discuss issues that are of dispute between shia and sunnis,then please do.not some dubious stories coined for known purposes.

Furthermore, how do these Shiites curse and insult Umm ul Mu'mineen (mother of the Believers) A'isha (RAha) when Allah, the Exalted, Himself has mentioned her in the Qur'aan as the mother of the believers?

Allaah tabaarak wa ta'aalaa says:

"The Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their (believers) mothers (as regards respect and marriage)." (al-Ahzaab, verse 6)

“mother of the believers” means you and I (meaning any muslim) cannot marry the wives of the Prophet after his death.the verse doesn’t make them “mother of the believers” because they are your “mothers” when at the same time the Quran says the Prophet is not “our father”.if they are our mothers then the Prophet must be our father.but the Quran rejects that.the verse was revealed in order to forbid any muslim from marrying them after the Prophet.aside from that,the many evidences that stand against Aisha from the mouth of the Holy Prophet are enough for us to simply at least just ignore her.

There is no doubt whatsoever that only that person will curse and insult Umm al-Mu'mineen who does not consider her to be a mother. Because for one who does have a mother, does not curse and insult her, but loves her.

It doesn’t mean because a woman is your mother,if she is evil people would not say the truth about her.again you’re using sentiments and stirring emotions to make a case.your case must be based on facts and logic.not emotions.

Hadith:

Abu Sa‘eed al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said: ‘Do not slander my Companions, for if one of you were to spend an amount of gold equivalent to the size of Mount Uhud, you would not even come halfway up to their level." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3379). So by slandering the Companions (Sahabah) you would be committing Kufr!

The Prophet said: "The best of my nation is my genaration, then those who follow them, and then those who follow them." Sahih Bukhari

So how can we insult someone who were more pious and who loved the Prophet (S.A.W) more than any other generation. All I say to the Shiites is fear Allah and stop these insulting lies about the wives of the Prophet (S.A.W) May Allah Guide the Shiites to the True Islam, and May Allah show us what the Shiites really are, Ameen.

Firstly,I have provided you hadiths from sunni sources where the Prophet showed that (some) of his companions will go astray and be turned away from paradise.

Secondly,there are many noteworthy companions of high esteem and we truly love and honor them.it should be of note to you for you to ask yourself:why is the problem only with those who held power?these men were corrupt and went out of the way.they didn’t even spare the Prophet before he passed away.both abu bakr and umar were picked for the army under Usama Ibn Zayd but they refused to go when they sensed the Prophet’s end was near and their time to grab power was getting closer.

Afghanistan, Iran condemn Quran burning in US

Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Thursday strongly condemned the burning of the Quran by a US evangelical preacher in a Florida church and called on the United States to bring those responsible for the incident to justice. "President Karzai on behalf of the Muslim people of Afghanistan and on his own behalf denounce the disrespectful and abhorrent act," a statement from his office said. Karzai called the incident an effort to incite tension between religions. American pastor Wayne Sapp burned a copy of the Quran on Sunday. Terry Jones, a US pastor that cancelled a plan to burn copies of the holy book last year to mark the anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks, was also present at the Florida church. Sapp, a member of the Dove World Outreach Center, claimed that the holy book had been found "guilty" of crimes in the course of an eight-month trial and was therefore "executed," Iran`s semi-official Fars news agency reported. Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehman-Parast also condemned the act, which he described as "blasphemous and repugnant". ??"Such radical acts are the result of Islamophobic moves in the US and those who have committed such crimes are contributing to US hegemonic plots, which seek to create a rift between divine religions," Mehman-Parast said, as cited by the news agency. ??"The US government, under the international norms and laws, is obliged to prevent the spread of religious hatred," he added.? The U.S. Embassy in Pakistan condemned the incident on Tuesday and said that it was an isolated act done by a small group of people. Ambassador Cameron P. Munter added that the United States absolutely rejects religious intolerance in any form.

http://en.europeonline-magazine.eu/afghanistan-iran-condemn-quran-burning-in-us_118642.html

Pakistani president condemns Quran burning by U.S. national

10:08, March 23, 2011 

Pakistani president condemns Quran burning by U.S. national 10:08, March 23, 2011     

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari Tuesday strongly condemned the burning of the Holy Quran by Wayne Sapp under the supervision of the infamous Terry Jones in Florida.

"I on behalf of the people, government and my behalf strongly condemn the deliberate desecration of the Holy Quran by a fanatic in Florida," Zardari told the parliament.

"We condemn this act in the strongest possible words. It is a serious setback to the efforts at promoting harmony among civilized communities throughout the world," he said.

He urged the Pakistani parliament to adopt a resolution, urging the UN to address the issue for the sake of harmony and peace in the world.

The Pakistani Foreign Ministry said the leadership and the government of Pakistan strongly condemn the reported despicable act of the burning of the Holy Quran by Wayne Sapp in Florida.

Commenting on the report, the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, Hina Rabbani Khar, stated that such a reprehensible act could only be the work of extremists and is evidently designed to provoke dissent and discord among communities and people across the world.

"There could be no justification for such acts. This has deeply hurt the feelings of the people of Pakistan and Muslims all over the world," she said.

She said Pakistan expects that the U.S. Administration and the American people as well as all civilized societies will take due cognizance and express their revulsion on this sacrilegious act.

"As a strong proponent of inter-faith harmony, Pakistan believes that in troubled times, civilized peoples and societies must resist and oppose any tendency towards 'extremism' of any kind," she said.

source:Xinhua

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90851/7328383.html

Quran-burning preacher headed to Dearborn

7:21 PM, Mar. 23, 2011

Terry Jones, the Christian pastor from Florida who drew international attention last year for threatening to burn the Quran on Sept. 11, says he's coming to Dearborn on April 22 to protest against Islamic law outside the Islamic Center of America, a mosque in Dearborn.

Jones backed down from burning the Quran on Sept. 11 after many urged him not to, including President Barack Obama and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who spoke with him over the phone.
But on Sunday, Jones led a Quran burning after he set up a mock trial of the Quran, Islam's holy book.

Jones said today that he's not against Muslims, but wants them to "honor, obey, and submit to the Constitution of the United States." He said he's worried about sharia, or Islamic law, coming to the United States.

Dearborn has the highest concentration of Arab-Americans in the U.S. and is known for its established Muslim community. Muslims and other critics have said Jones is promoting hatred and that his fears about Muslims are unwarranted.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110323/NEWS02/110323053/1001/rss01

March 22, 2011
Koran burned after Fla. church "trial"

Pastor Terry Jones presides as judge over mock execution of Islamic holy book after jury finds it guilty of crimes against humanity

(CBS News)  Terry Jones, the Gainesville, Fla., pastor who ignited rage across the world with his scuttled plans to burn a Koran on September 11, has overseen the burning of a Muslim holy book, after a mock trial found the Koran guilty of crimes against humanity.


The torching of the book was part of an event Jones called International Judge the Koran Day, which was streamed live online and promoted on Facebook.


Jones, pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center, himself presided over the trial Sunday as "judge," hearing evidence and testimony against the Koran.


Jones, speaking from a judge's bench, said that like in an American court, if one is found guilty, there are consequences.


"If you are found guilty," he said, "if you are convicted of murder, you don't get to go home. It does not matter if we love you, if your mommy loves you, if your daddy loves you - you do not get to go home, because you have killed someone.


"And because of that you will face punishment. You will go to jail, you will possibly someday be electrocuted, or you will be shot up with poison and you will die," he said. "That is what justice is."


And to anyone watching who may disagree with the verdict, Jones said, "All you have to do is put together your own trial."


The "jury" considered the charges of crimes against humanity; of promoting terrorist acts; of death, violation and torture of people worldwide "whose only crime was not being of the Islamic faith"; and of crimes against women, minorities and Christians, and with promoting prejudice and racism.


The trial featured as prosecutor a Christian convert from Islam. An Imam from Dallas, Texas, served as the book's defense attorney.


After several minutes of deliberation, the jury handed its verdict to Jones: Guilty on all counts.


An online poll had helped decide the punishment following a guilty verdict. (The choices: Burning, shredding, drowning, or firing squad.)


The kerosene-soaked book was placed in a metal tray and ignited with a barbecue lighter by pastor Wayne Sapp.

About 30 people attended the trial and execution. One supporter of Jones, Jadwiga Schatz, told Agence France-Presse that she was concerned about the growth of Islam in Europe.

"These people, for me, are like monsters," she said. "I hate these people."


The U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan, issued a statement condemning the burning, and rejected religious intolerance in any form.


"The deliberate destruction of any holy book is an abhorrent act," Ambassador Cameron Munter said. "The U.S. commitment to freedom of religion and freedom of expression goes back to the founding of our nation and is enshrined in the Constitution."


"This is an isolated act done by a small group of people that is contrary to American traditions," the embassy said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/22/national/main20045858.shtml

illusion2:
Like I said what you are proposing is GENOCIDE !

how unfortunately that the victims of genocide are the ones being accused of committing genocide themselves:

[size=18pt]Sectarian Cleansing in Bahrain: Stop the genocide, now!Sayed Mahdi al-Modarresi :[/size]

(watch and listen to the message in english)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXT_VCx3Xqo&feature=player_embedded#at=21

Sweetnecta:
@Lagosshia: Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah.

Please help me with these issues;

1]. If the Bani Israil [Jew] have been muslims, could the palestinians who are majority muslims could the two parties have been at war, all these while?

a. could the jews have started out the way they did to establish another nation, alongside their brothers in faith?
b. could each have been so intolerant about the other?

2. has any muslim nation or people invaded another muslim nation so that they can establish a new nation?

3. issues of Sharia; what is the sharia on muslim killing anyone or muslim just because they are foreigner who happens to be loved by the opponent? use the condition of the bahrain as your example if you will.

4. was Ali bin AbiTalib [ra] a shia?

5. which one[s] of his children was/were shia, the exact sect of islam that you say is the true islam?

6. show me an ayah of the Quran that says shia islam is the right guidance.

7. show me a hadith of the prophet that says shia islam is the right guidance.

8. which is better; the masajid haraam and al nawawi and aqsa or the way the shia masajid?

thank you sir.

all your questions have been answered with "LagosShia" but the post has disappeared.a mod should kindly restore the post.or you can go to my "LagosShia" profile and search my posts.

my posts have being deleted,a mod should urgently fix them please.

"Massacre in Bahrain 17 Feb 2011 - The king killed peaceful protesters in cold blood" :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vaz7kF9aUH4&feature=related

@bilms

Undisputed Sunni References acknowledging that Imam Ali was the first to believe in the Prophet’s message:

Ibn Abi Shaybah and Ibn Asakir recorded on the authority of Salim Ibn Abi Jaad that he said: I asked of Muhammad Ibn Hanifah, "was Abu Bakr the first of the people to adopt Islam?" He replied: "No".

And Ibn Asakir on a reliable ascription from Muhammad Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqas, that he said to his father Sa'd: "was Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq the first of you in embracing the faith?" He said: "No, for there were more than five people in faith before him"
Sunni reference:
Tarikh al-Khulafaa, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p33 (History of the Caliphs translated by Major Barrett)

4.) It is also narrated that :

Anas Ibn Malik said: "The Messenger was commissioned on Monday and Ali believed in him on Tuesday."
Sunni reference: al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p112

5.) al-Hakim also narrated that:

Salman al-Farsi said that the Messenger of God said: "The first one of you to drink from the Basin on the Day of Judgment is your first Muslim, Ali, the son of Abu Talib."

Sunni reference: al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p112
Ibn Hisham recorded that:

6.) Ali Ibn Abi Talib was the first male to believe in the Messenger of God and that he prayed with him while he was only ten years old.
Sunni reference: Biography of the Prophet, by Ibn Hisham, v1, p245

7.) The famous Sunni Historian, al-Tabari also wrote:
The first three to offer prayers were Muhammad (PBUH&HF) , Khadija and Ali (AS).
Sunni reference: History al-Tabari, v2, p65

8.) Also Khateeb al-Baghdadi, in his book quotes Imam Ali that:
Ali said: "I was the first one to accept Islam at the hands of the Holy Prophet."
Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v4, p333

Undisputed Sunni References acknowledging that Imam Ali was the first to believe in the Prophet’s message:

1.) Ibn Abi Shaybah and Ibn Asakir recorded on the authority of Salim Ibn Abi Jaad that he said: I asked of Muhammad Ibn Hanifah, "was Abu Bakr the first of the people to adopt Islam?" He replied: "No".

2.) And Ibn Asakir on a reliable ascription from Muhammad Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqas, that he said to his father Sa'd: "was Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq the first of you in embracing the faith?" He said: "No, for there were more than five people in faith before him"

3.) Ibn Kathir says: "it is clear that Muhammad's family believed before every other - his wife Khadija, his freedman Zaid and the Wife of Zaid Umm Ayman and Ali and Warakah."

Sunni reference:
Tarikh al-Khulafaa, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p33 (History of the Caliphs translated by Major Barrett)

Undisputed Sunni References acknowledging that Imam Ali was the first to believe in the Prophet’s message:


Ibn Abi Shaybah and Ibn Asakir recorded on the authority of Salim Ibn Abi Jaad that he said: I asked of Muhammad Ibn Hanifah, "was Abu Bakr the first of the people to adopt Islam?" He replied: "No".

And Ibn Asakir on a reliable ascription from Muhammad Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqas, that he said to his father Sa'd: "was Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq the first of you in embracing the faith?" He said: "No, for there were more than five people in faith before him"

Ibn Kathir says: "it is clear that Muhammad's family believed before every other - his wife Khadija, his freedman Zaid and the Wife of Zaid Umm Ayman and Ali and Warakah."

Sunni reference:
• Tarikh al-Khulafaa, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p33 (History of the Caliphs translated by Major Barrett)

It is also narrated that :

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