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LegatusGlaber:
Truth be told, his reputation as a disciplinarian is what this country needs

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Are you in any way calling for a coup?

Because coup plotting is the only reputation he has.

Even the devil can quote the Bible.

Firefire, giving the Buharistans a headache from time immemorial.












Say no to the coup plotter who promulgated a decree banning journalists from reporting official corruption.

To me, the desperate one here is Buhari who is gunning for the presidency for a record four times.

Okonjo-Iweala saw tomorrow. Unfortunately, she is being called names by the same greedy felons who did not want us to be proactive. Now, the chicken has come home to roost.

barcanista:
The Modus Operandi of TAN Apostles always follows a particular pattern. Someone will post nonsense, send them alert and they will come in their numbers typing gibberish just to fill up the first page in a bid to give the propaganda legitimacy and manipulate public opinion.

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Why are you accusing them of what you are a professional in doing?

hmohammed:
What about Mandela' scenario, was he not old when they elected him as SA president. To the best of my knowledge, he performed very well. I will rather have an old principled man than a very corrupt young Nigerian. Don't forget, age is just a number

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Apples to apples, bro. Mandela never overthrew a duly elected government with the gun and he was never a former head of state. He was a symbol of unity, forgiveness and reconciliation. He was not overly ambitious or desperate, hence he played his part and left the state for a younger Mbeki. Now, Mandela was not an exceptional President in terms of running the economy or all that. But he was just what SA needed at that time to move forward.

Now, the same cannot be said of the coup-plotting general that has suddenly loved democracy. He wants to benefit from what he killed. Do you know that if this man and his colleagues did not strike in 1983 Nigeria would have been a lot better than the way it is today. That singular action of his brought upon us the evil regimes of IBB, Abacha, Abdulsalam and Obasanjo. And if you hate GEJ so much that you don't want him, remember that his emergence as our leader is part of the chain reaction that Buhari started in 1983. So, you see, GEJ is indirectly a product of Buhari.

So, if we must change, the change must be a real change, and not bringing back someone who put us in today's mess.

hmohammed:
I will like u to be very honest with your self and temporarily place sentiments aside, do u think buhari will not perform better than Jonathan. I will like us to consider the future of our unborn children as I am almost concluding that the prospects of our generation is almost non existence. Please I am begging u one more time, we need to move forward at this point in time. Don't also forget that Jonathan had substantial votes in the North and south west when he contested in the last election. Please think twice

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The future of his unborn child will be worse if he voted someone who ruled his grand father 30 years ago. In fact his unborn child will not forgive him for not giving him a future if all he could do was to return to power the man who messed up the future of Nigeria through the barrel of the gun 30 years ago.

mrofficial:
Vote for GEJ then. You are not ready for change.

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How can voting a man who plunged Nigeria into sea by truncating democracy 31 years ago be change? Should we move backward or forward?

omenka:
This picture captures three of Nigeria's worst problems: Jonathan, Lady Eyes Froggy, and Madam Headress.

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You may be right. But if Buhari did not overthrow Shagari in 1983 we probably would not have had 'Jonathan, Lady Eyes Froggy, and Madam Headress'. So, all blames should go to Buhari for remotely bringing the trio upon us. It is even worse that we will have to bear the situation till 2019. It shall not be well with Buhari for kick-starting the tornado that has continued to oppress, repress and compress us.

FASHOLA TO BUHARI:


“When 40-year olds are now leading nations and our 40-year olds can’t even get to the Senate, they can’t even become governors. Are we
really preparing this generation for the future? Those are the issues really. We cannot point to success in other countries and refuse to do what those people are doing to get things right.”




GBAM!!!!!!!!!

This is not the view of New York Times. Rather, it is the opinion of an APC chieftain, Adewale Maja-Pearce, who is a supporter of the Buhari/Fashola combo. Is it no ironic that the writer thinks GEJ is a dictator but is rooting for the presidency of a first class criminal dictator who murdered democracy and set Nigeria back 50 years? See how he wrote that Buhari was removed by his colleagues because of his anti corruption stance but did not state that coup-plotting itself is a crime, an illegal behaviour or action--in other words, corruption. Can corruption stamp out corruption?


While Buhari may be less corrupt and unostentatious, there is ample evidence to suggest that corruption thrived in the Petroleum Trust Fund when he held sway there. Remember also that the man who appointed him the head of PTF has been Nigeria's most corrupt leader. Buhari never at any time spoke against that corrupt regime. Instead, he was invited by that regime to 'come and chop' and he wholeheartedly accepted. He even canonised the regime not too long ago. Under his watch as head of state some state governors looted their states. Yet he did nothing.



For instance, the then Brigadier Ike Nwachukwu (whose mother was from Buhar's Katsina State) was appointed by the dictator as the governor of the old Imo State, replacing Sam Mbakwe whose government till date remains the gold standard in governance east of the Niger since the end of the civil war. Ike Nwachukwu came up with what he called survival levy, forcing pupils, students and civil servants in the state to pay between N12 and N20 (that was big money then). I was in primary 3 then in Aba and I paid my N12 levy. Till today, nobody can point to what Ike Nwachukwu did with the money that accrued from that levy. Meanwhile Mbakwe, in all the development he brought to the old Imo State, never levied anybody. Yet, the coupist dictator did not see the corruption in Ike Nwachukwu's action.

The idea that the democracy killer has the mojo that will stamp out corruption is wishful thinking. He is part of the establishment that led our country to Golgotha. What we want is positive change and not negative change.

While we clamour for a better playmaker for the Super Eagles, we cannot replace Mikel Obi with Felix Owolabi while a younger and fresher Kelechi Iheanacho is there.





So, OP, replace the New York Times in the title of this post with 'APC chieftain, Adewale Maja-Pearce'. It is the later's opinion and not that of the former. Don't mislead the public.

hairyanus:
If i slap you now your brain will reset. Where did you sign one term agreement with Buhari....I am not one of those gullible Nigerians being decieved by the messianic mission of Buhari. The APC leaders planning to bring Buhari to power is corrupt. Tinubu and co. And you think he will be president and probe Atiku or Tinubu. Wake up and smell the capaccino. This is 2014 democracy not 1983 military rule. In democracy, you govern by negotiation and diplomacy. Not by barrel of the gun. Buhari is neither a diplomat nor a negotiator.

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It boggles the mind why young people think that a man who truncated Nigeria's progress will solve Nigeria's problem. A man who as a young man of 43 could not see the importance of a metro will not see that at 73. So, my problem with that criminal despot is not his age per se. But just to paraphrase Bill Clinton's view of Bob Dole, my problem with him is the age of his ideas.

Collynzo9:
What is renovating a house compared to the projects Buhari did in the north with the same PTF money?
Instead of answering the question, you are giving me a long and boring epistle.
How does renovating a late politician's house alleviate the suffering you are talking about.

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Buhari's PTF did not renovate Zik's compound. That pix was photoshopped. The usual APC propaganda. The irony is that theses Buharistans said they do not bother about the vote of the SE and SS. Yet, they are trying to blackmail the SE into supporting the criminal coup plotter. Buhari cannot get up to 200k votes in the SE. You can take that to the bank.

MOBJECTIVE:
Trust me, Its not coincidence that Fashola did not spend $250million (42 billion naira) on a stadium.

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Yea, you are probably right. That is just as Akpabio did not pour N8billion of tax payers into the Ibeno beach (in the name of Surnburn Yatch) or buy back concession rights of any tolled road in Akwa Ibom with over N25billon of the tax payer.

Is it not hypocrisy that Awolowo is still praised for building Liberty Stadium in the 1960s why Akpabio is maligned for building a stadium in the 21st Century? I am sure if Fashola built this stadium his army of praise singers would have told us why it is the best thing that has happened to the human race since penicillin.

Lol, forcing the criminal coupist down our throats. The guy is just a hard sell.


Replacing Jonathan with Buhari is like replacing Mikel not with Kelechi Iheanacho but with Felix Owolabi. That cannot be progress but retrogression

barcanista:
She oversaw the Solid Mineral Ministry before the appointment of Obiora even as Education Minister. Her own case was purely different and commendable

My stance on Okonjo Iwaela as regards to what transpired, actions and inactions of President Obasanjo, her removal from Finance Ministry and as Head Economic Team remains unchanged. It is only a blind fellow that did not read the Message in Aaondoakaa's sack from Justice Ministry

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Are you saying what happened or you are saying what you think? Your argument is simply untenable. You said she was indicted. When challenged you brought a hearsay link. Now you are talking of Aaondooaka. Please, apples to apples. Aaondooka never resigned. He was removed. Okonjo resigned. You have not made any point regarding "what transpired, actions and inactions of President Obasanjo, her removal from Finance Ministry and as Head Economic Team" apart from hearsay. When you bring facts, you will be taken serious.

[quote author=barcanista post=27999895]Bros, Oby Ezekwesilli combined both Mines and Education. She was the one that was assigned to Oversee the Mines Ministry despite her redeployment.

I am not accusing NOI of Corruption, don't misquote me. I only quoted from a source on her alleged removal from Office as Finance Minister and the Head of Economic Team. I see it that it bothers on conflict of interest where one of her relative benefited from a deal or so(though it never said it was illegal) according to that source.

As regards fire/resignation, one thing these BIG MEN and Politicians does is to give SOFT LANDING to some Highly Placed Individuals. Even Stella Oduah was said to have resigned her position and not fired by the President. The question to ask is was it a Voluntary Resignation or a Resignation out of "Necessity"? I only cited her in my write-up to drive home a point. In advanced countries, Officials step down just to face trial so as to save their honor and the position they occupy.

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Interesting! You have changed from an emphatic indicted to "alleged removal".

Ezekwesiri did not oversee education. She was a substantive minister of education. When she left Solid Minerals Ministry, she was replaced with the Professor Leslie Obiora who later resigned in 2007 after she was redeployed in the Special Duties Ministry.

Maybe Obiora was also sacked since in your books everybody who resigns has been sacked.

barcanista:
First, Iwaela did not resign from the Cabinet and the Economic Think-tank, She was fired!
Secondly, Obasanjo is not interested in "Committee" and Panel to look into allegations/indictment that bothers on fraud/corruption against cabinet members or big officials if he wants to act, he let you go- Eg Tafa Balogun, SP Wabara, Fabian Osuji and few others including Atiku Abubakar(He couldn't sack him but demanded for his Impeachment in 2007 though unsuccessful). Dude, Oby Ezeks was fully part of the Cabinet and the Think tank, she's alive.Same with Obasanjo, elRufai and Nanadi Usman- who was the Finance Minister of State and elevated to the Finance Minister. I know you will argue though.

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Sometimes it is good to keep mute when you don't have anything to say. So, presidential candidate for the Peoples Mandate Party (PMP), Dr Batos Nwadike, is the body that indicted Okonjo Iweala? Is it not ridiculous that you now see Pointblank News as a bastion of truth? Will you also believe any of their report that casts Buhari in a bad light? You mentioned Balogun, Osuji and Wabara, I hope you know they have one thing in common: They were formally charged. While Balogun opted for a plea bargain, Osuji and Wabara pursued their cases to conclusion (or are still in court). So why was the 'indicted' Okonjo Iweala not prosecuted. Sometimes, you guys bandy words you seem not to understand their meanings and usage. Indict means 'formally accuse of or charge with a crime'. Its synonyms include: arraign, censure, charge, impeach, incriminate and prosecute. So, you see, okonjo Iweala was NEVER indicted. She resigned honorably and Obasanjo still has high regards for her. You don't sit behind your laptop and accuse people falsely just because you want to win an argument. Arguments are won with facts and not fiction.

If you had situated your point on this within the context of rumour, it would have been understandable.

Cheers

[quote author=barcanista post=27997685]At least Obasanjo showed it(though selectively).
He fired the Minister of Finance, Okonjo Iwaela in 2006 based on an indictment, and removed her from the Economic Team
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Please can you provide a link to the report of this indictment. I will be glad to see it. I do not mean hearsay but a report of a panel, committee,etc.

Eziachi:
Have you read things I have posted, those are the points and not generalized statement. He is still over the top wrong.
Yes he was.
No It's wrong to detain anyone without trial but guess what it a military junta environmental. Even America detained people in Guantanamo without trial despite being the beacon of democracy.

Check the meaning of Onus again. You brought church and God into it because your sentiment about Buhari lies on religion and tribal lineage. And Buhari is not my messiah, far from it. But I don't need to tell lies about another person just because like their politics or their person.

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You said what I posted was a lie. And I said if I posted lies the Burden (onus) was on you to point out the lies. You have yet to. Please stop accusing me wrongly. I never brought any religious or tribal sentiments into my posts. Perhaps you need glasses to read my posts. The mere fact that you called Buhari's government a military junta means that you accept his government was an aberration, an illegality. So, everything he did was illegal. Can you tell me those America detained at Guantanamo? So, Ekwueme is now a terrorist. you don't need to support illegality because you want to defend a criminal coupist. Until you point me to the link where a court or tribunal found Ekwueme guilty of any crime, I will not respond to you.


One last thing: Always read a post well so as not to accuse one of what one never said.

Eziachi:
Am sorry if you felt that I insulted you. Mine and yours understanding of the word THEM is different. I said that them denote an institution and not a person. If you find that as insult, them accept my apologies.
If know any junta government that doesn't detain people without trial, please let me know. So habeas corpus is fact not an alibi.
If Buhari was in power for 6 months and Ekwueme was held for 20 before, am not a maths expert but how does that make sense to you?
The argument of who was detained is quite nonsensical to me. What difference does it make if he was picked first or last? I kept asking you guys what tribe or religious was Umoru Dikko or Akinloye who suffered more than Ekwueme. Ambrose Ali almost died from his detention, Jakande was detained. Why is Ekwueme detention different. I don't care how quickly or how long he was detained, he was corrupt while holding public office. I don't care where he comes from or where he prays.

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I am sorry, I don't do tribalism. I hate Buhari's hypocrisy but in all my posts, I have never accused him of tribal or religious bigotry. I will be happy if you point out where I did that. Please, Buhari was in power from Dec 31 1983 to August 1985. That is not six months. Read my posts, I focused on Ekwueme and not Jakande, Dikko, et al. Perhaps, you mistook me for another person. Ekwueme was corrupt while holding public office? Please you said you deal with facts. Point me to the court or tribunal that found Ekwueme guilty while holding public office--and please don't point me to Buhari's allegation against Ekwueme because allegation does not equate guilt. Bring the link or shut up on this for ever.

Eziachi:
I Like people that debate issues with facts and not emotion of how they feel. Counter my argument with alternative facts and not generalized fiction laden with hateful raw emotion.
It's waste of time trying to beat a dead horse. I have no time for self imposed mediocrity. Knowledge is like a gem. You have to dig deeper to find it. That's why you never see diamond lying around on streets and that's why gems are not for the poor. If you want to know about Nigeria, you can, but leave your tribal sentiment behind and you will be amazed at what you will discover.
This is why I believe that the best future for us Igbos is independent Biafra and not Nigeria. How can any nation advanced with such hateful mentality against one another? Nigeria can never work.

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The number one fact is that Buhari was the head of the coupists who seized power illegally in 1983. I hope you know what it means to be involved in a coup. Let me ask you, if the coup had failed after Buhari read his speech, would he have gone scot-free? Which other fact do you need? In fact, you are the one who should be debating with facts. I raised my points on an issue and you said they were "101%" lies even when you did not have any shred of fact to back your claim. Again, you are the one debating with emotion. It is clear in your posts. That is why you have been throwing insults instead of stating your facts.

Eziachi:
Am not an expert in English language but take a look at word he used "THEM"? Does them denotes a conflict with an individual or an institution? And who is them? Buhari or the tribunal/SMC?
One undeniable aspect of every junta government is the absent of habeas corpus principles, but that is not down one person. If anything, it was down to Akpamgbo and Rafinfadi, both were the two main people fingered by the amnesty international at the time. Many of you are young and bright but thinks like cave men. Use you brain and unlimited vast instruments of knowledge around you. Not wallowing in pure ignorance. Gosh!

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I don't do insults. At your age, you should know how to make your point without throwing insults. You have yet to answer these questions:

Was Ekwueme tried after 20 months?
Was Ekwueme ever found guilty?

Your habeas corpus alibi is neither here nor here. It doesn't explain why Ekwueme who was about the first politician to be arrested by Buhari's men was not tried for 20 months and others arrested later were tried and sentenced. Doesn't the fact that a tribunal headed by an eminent jurist exonerated Ekwueme suggest that Buhari was totally wrong in keeping an innocent man in detention. If I were you guys, I will continue to highlight the coupist's best attribute-which is that is is not materialistic- but will not defend the indefensible. Remember, not being materialistic does not equate not being corrupt, for Buhari is CURRUPT. Coup plotting is a crime, an illegal action and as such is corruption.
Who else apart from Buhari/Idiagbon saw the phantom $56,000 in Ekwueme's house?

Eziachi:
Since you wanted to learn, there is nothing like Buhari's coup in 1984, it was Babangida, Abacha, Vatsa, Dogonyaro , David Mark, Umar, Idiagbon, Ayuba, Adisa, Rasaki and Onoja's coup of 1984. You can rightly say, Buhari led military government of 1984. Two different scenarios.

Yes, it was a corrupt government led by Shagari just like Balewa government before but on individual basis there was no evidence that both Shagari and Balewa enriched themselves or were corrupt, just clueless and incompetent and those are not crime. Ekwueme was corrupt while in office, all the evidence was there, that is why he was jailed by a military tribunal not by Buhari.
The sentence was ratified by the ruling council SMC of which the likes David Mark and Ike Nwachukwu etc were members like Buhari.
The likes of Umoru Dikko, suffered more than Ekwueme and he is a northerner. Barkin Zuwo almost died in jail, Awwal Ibrahim died there and they are northerners. You people should get the simple truth and not bending fact any 30+ years old should know like nursery alphabet.

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1984 coup was Buhari's coup. You can't spin that. In his last interview with The Cable, the criminal coupist gave himself away when he said that they deliberately did not kill during that illegal move. So, all this Buhari was invited does not wash. He led the coup!

Eziachi:
God help some of you. Because every single thing you said above was 101% blatant lies. Probably you will go to church this Sunday and use the same mouth to call on God. Jeez!!

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Oga, why not point out the lie rather than make sweeping statement? Was Ekwueme ever found guilty? Was it right to detain an innocent man for 20 months without trial? If there was any evidence against Ekwueme why wasn't he charged to court? The onus is on you to point out the lie. And don't bring church and God into this. If you have any alibi for your messiah why not come up with it?

barcanista:
A man kills or is accused of murder, he is held in Prison on awaiting trial, government changed and a Kangaroo Corrupt Government came onboard and FREE every suspected fraudulent Officials and convicted ones. This is the true story of things. We all know what IBB represent, no wonder both of them are founding members of PDP. I would have believed Ekweme if he had given tangible explanation as to how $56,000 found its way into his house. That money in today's equivalent is about $56 million or there about. Ekweme is CORRUPT same with IBB

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Now, Ekwueme didn't need to prove anything. The onus was on the corrupt coup plotter to prove Ekwueme's guilt in either a law court or a tribunal. But because he had no evidence, he was ashamed to charge Ekwueme.

Even at that, Ekwueme was not given any opportunity to prove his innocence. That opportunity could only come in the law court or tribunal but he was not taken there, another indication of Buhari's propensity for abusing innocent people's fundamental human rights.

barcanista:
A man kills or is accused of murder, he is held in Prison on awaiting trial, government changed and a Kangaroo Corrupt Government came onboard and FREE every suspected fraudulent Officials and convicted ones. This is the true story of things. We all know what IBB represent, no wonder both of them are founding members of PDP. I would have believed Ekweme if he had given tangible explanation as to how $56,000 found its way into his house. That money in today's equivalent is about $56 million or there about. Ekweme is CORRUPT same with IBB

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Thank you for agreeing that Buhari is a Boko Haram sponsor. Let us now ask the corrupt criminal coup plotter, Buhari, where he kept the so called $56,000 he found in Ekwueme's house as he could not find the liver to try Ekwueme after 20 months. This even more ridiculous given that Ekwueme was about the first politician to be arrested when Buhari illegally seized power. If he found the evidence to try those that were arrested later, I wonder why he could not try Ekwueme after 20 months. For 20 months he was still building a case against Ekwueme. This your alibi as ridiculous as it is pathetic.

The last time the OP created this thread, I reminded him that the loan was not money to be handed to anyone but military hardware which the country would pay back over seven years. I also directed him to the explanations of the Senate Joint Committee on Finance and that of Local and Foreign Debt by the Chairman, Senator Ahmed Makarfi, regarding the loan:


www.punchng.com/news/senate-okays-jonathans-1bn-loan-request-for-arms/

Now, since this is not a black market cash transaction, you have to expect red tape and bureaucratic bottlenecks before the arms arrive.


But because the OP appears full of mischief he keeps recycling this thread to give the impression that $1b has been embezzled by government.

barcanista:
You and I have talked about this. You wanted to accuse Buhari of Selectiveness based on tribalism while it was clear that he was a truly patriot. Mr. which evidence are you looking for again? Did Ekwueme deny keeping the money in his house? is it my father that kept it? What is the difference between Ekweme and Bakin?

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Please don't accuse me falsely. I hate Buhari's hypocrisy but I have never accused him of tribalism. Not because he is or is not a tribalist but because I don't do tribalism. Read through all my posts-which mostly are to highlight Buhari's hypocrisy-you will never see where I accused the criminal coup plotter of tribalism. In fact, I do not accuse people of tribalism.

Now, can please provide a link of any judgement where Ekwueme was found guilty and sentenced. Buhari had no evidence against Ekwueme, for if he had, he would have charged him to court-even if it is a kangaroo court. But because he had none, he just left Ekwueme to die. At least, you indicated that Zuwo was sentenced 300 years. That means there was a judgement and he was found guilty. So, provide a link to where Ekwueme was found guilty. Or do you now equate allegation with guilt? And if that is what you are saying, then you have to then agree with those who have accused Buhari of sponsoring Boko Haram. After all, in your books, allegation is equal to guilt.


So, not providing any evidence to nail Ekwueme even in a tribunal set up by him (Buhari) suggested that the allegation against Ekwueme was a figment of the criminal coup plotter's imagination.

barcanista:
Publised Jan 21, 1984 Let us analyse this carefullu.

$56, 000 was found in Ekweme's House, an Igbo man he was jailed

$4.5 million was found in Former Civilian Governor Sabo Zuwo House, a Fellow fulani from Kano, he was equally jailed for 300 years.

Please where is the discrepancy??

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The difference here is that Bakin Zuwo was tried and sentenced. There was apparently no evidence against Ekwueme. So he was neither tried nor sentenced. He was just dumped in Kirikiri to die.