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Maynman:
So Yorubas now describe their God in Wikipedia screenshot?
Abi is that not what you posted for Lordreed?

See the mother of your creator.

Show me the written record where Yoruba people described their deity.

LordReed:
Attribution is not authorship.

Dont u get it, Peter had nothing to do with the gospel of Peter.
He never knew such gospel existed.

Maynman:
To help you also, this is how Jews described their god/Yahweh.
Abi Wikipedia is no more correct?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

So Jews now describe their God in Wikipedia screenshot.
Seriously I do t really know what to do with u.
U live on attention, I think it's time I starve info that thing u crave.

Maynman:
How did they take Independence from them in that verse
You said nothing, Chemosh defeated your god, Yahweh.
When was 2kings written?
When was mesha Witten?

Did mesha continue to pay tribute to the Israelites king after 2 kings 3?

I really don't understand your gloating. If we see the stone of Philistines, it will also declare similar things...isn't it.
Israelites did not always win their battle. In fact they lost more than they won if we are to go by records.

LordReed:
Oga when you start paying me you can demand I respond in less than 1 sec. LoLz.

Show where I said Gospel of Peter was written by Peter.

I don't know that church fathers confirmed the authorship of the 4 gospels. That is still up for debate.

When I am ready to teach you, you will learn.

Gospel letters are attributed to the primary source. If it says gospel of Peter's, it's assumed Peter contributed one way or another.

Maynman:
Shameless liar, mention the verses where mobiates their arch enemy was taking independence from them.

The Israelites worshipped chemosh, so what are you barking about?

Chemosh defeated your creator, Yahweh and destroyed his shrine, where is that mention in the Jewish book?
Just like Yahweh, chemosh too was given burnt offering and he accepted both man and animals.

Isrealites themselves are cannities, worshipping the head of the Cannanites god before they were taken as slave to Babylon and influence of zoostranism.

You may also want to study the kurtillet Arjud, where your creator has a wife and is lesser to his father, El.

Read 2 kings 3. The whole story is there....


4 Now Mesha king of Moab raised sheep, and he had to pay the king of Israel a tribute of a hundred thousand lambs and the wool of a hundred thousand rams. 5 But after Ahab died, the king of Moab rebelled against the king of Israel.


27 Then Mesha took his firstborn son, who was to succeed him as king, and offered him as a sacrifice on the city wall. The fury against Israel was great; they withdrew and returned to their own land


The passage even confirmed the name of the king that got independence for Moab as Mesha as written on the stone.

In fact 2 kings 3 and Mesha Inscription, describe the same event, the revolt of Mesha.

Read this link that was able to correlate and confirm actual events by studying both works.

https://biblearchaeology.org/research/divided-kingdom/3437-mesha-king-of-moab

LordReed:
LoLz. Always having his tips in a squeeze because I don't respond immediately as if he is paying me to do it.

Indeed! More than 24 hrs and multiple presence here yet no response to my last night rebuttal.
Anyway, not necessary to respond. B4 u make further gaffes and complicate everything.

I just hope u won't brandish gospel of Peter as written by st peter anymore.
and
U now know the early church fathers who confirmed the authorship of the 4 gospels.

We learn everyday, unfortunately I learnt nothing from u.
Bye.

LordReed:
What part of this was hard for you to comprehend?

Secondary thinking I'm attempt to cover your earlier gaff.
Compare below with above and summarise for me.

Maynman:
Apart from the Jewish people who else was worshipping the isrealite god in old testament?

Chemosh conquered your isrealite god in mesha Stele.

The bible records moabites obtaining independence over Israel. So what are u bleating about?
There's nothing on the moabite stone not recorded in 2 kings 3.
As per LordReed, the mesha stone dated 870BC is another historical evidence of the old testament...what u call myths and legends. Prior to its discovery king omri was a myth.
U may also want to study Tel Dal Steele, another ancient inscription from the Canaanites.

Maynman:
Mention the verses.
https://www.thetorah.com/article/who-was-balaams-god-yhwh-el-or-bull-el

Do u own home work. Some of us have real lives we attend to

Maynman:
I wonder where the region of ALL this people, why is yahweh fighting with other local gods?

What about the Celtics, the Greeks? The Romans? Ethiopians?

Have u checked the new testament for other wider regions.

The history of the Jews will only write about people they have contact with, isn't it.

Maynman:
Apart from the Jewish people who else was worshipping the isrealites in old testament?

People of nenevih
People of land of uz- job and his friends
Moabites- Ruth
Hittites
Cannanites
Arameans- Naman
Samaritans
Balaam the priest from mesopotamian region.

Maynman:
Check mesha Stele, He conquered your god, Yahweh.

Mesha stele didn't say chemosh is a universal god.
Show me where chemosh is worshipped as a universal God otherwise keep quite.

LordReed:
This is a silly argument. There is a god of thunder in Yoruba mythology and there is a god of thunder in Norse mythology therefore the god of thunder is real. It is just patently silly since that is not how any of it works, having in similarities in mythology is no proof of the reality of those myths.

And trust you to miss the point of my statement. It doesn't matter what the myths are called, they are simply replacing one myth with another they have not shown that any of it is real.

Who cares what theological interpretation you give your favourite Jewish myth, theological interpretations are a dime a dozen. The fact is, your theological interpretation is based on the Jewish myth.

Dude I did not agree that your Jewish god myth and other culture god myths are the same. I said they are all myths, don't put words in my mouth. Twisting what mouth abi it is you trying too hard to twist my words and failing woefully.

Of course the god of the Jews is different, they are different myths!

Which is which my friend, be consistent.
Why didn't ajayi crowther give a different name to the God of the Jews when writing the yoruba bible.

Maynman:
He is coming to answer you, calm your balls.

Of course, in the Moabites Scriptures, the Moabs are the chosen one and he created everything.
Just like the Greeks have their creator gods and they are the chosen ones, latins have theirs, Celtics have theirs, Yorubas have theirs and also the Jewish people also have it.
In the Jewish book, the god will be showed to be powerful and conquering other gods.

When Nebuchadnezzar II conquered he thank his god, Marduk, Cyrus the great also thanked his god, Ahuda.

Show me where chemosh is called a universal God.

Maynman:
Lordreed is coming to answer you.

Is the God of the Moabs also the supreme God in other cultures.
Don't forget chemosh defeated your god Yahweh as recorded in mesha Stele.

LordReed that's yet to respond to my rebuttal last night.
Once he meets superior arguments he gas out. He appears to be intelligent but he's not. He's just another wannabe.
The problem with nairaland atheist is that they think because they are educated and read some books, then they are intelligent.
Well the report card is coming out and doesn't look so good.

As for chemosh, did he ever say he was a universal supreme deity. Was he ever worshipped in such manner anywhere including in Moabites.
God called himself a universal God. He rejected being a regional God. That was why he sent Jonah to nenevih.

Maynman:
Otondo atheist.

Help your confused atheist, seems he's gassed out again.

Is the God of the Jews also the supreme God in other cultures.

LordReed:
They are all myths so interchanging one name for another makes no difference.

To help u answer your question here's how Yoruba described Olorun/Eledumare.

LordReed:
They are all myths so interchanging one name for another makes no difference.

Really...lolz
now it makes no difference when u realised the Supreme God is the same everywhere.
Earlier u insisted Jewish God deity is different from that of other cultures and I'm following the former.

As u guys can see this is the big problem with atheist argument. It's filled with inconsistency. They work from answer to question, from conclusion to inference. If they get stuck along the way, the simply twist the inference to arrive at the same conclusion. Thereby making inconsistent claim along the way.

Right from onset of this debate, I've made it clear that the theological interpretation of the old testament is different from it's history.
I'm not accountable to the history because I'm not a Jew, but accountable to the God in the old testament because he's a UNIVERSAL GOD not just the God of the Jews. He's God of the yorubas as well as any African culture.
LordReed disagreed and insisted the myth and God are the same and are of Jewish origin.

Now that's he's been slapped with hard facts, he is now twisting his mouth and saying it doesn't matter if the God worshipped everywhere is the same.

Again for benefit of doubt I wil ask LordReed, is the God of the Jews different from the supreme universal God in all other cultures?

Maynman:
see this hypocrite, why don't you listen to your advise and learn about your own people, maybe if you did you won't believe a Jewish man died for your sin, which of your people believed that?

This empty barrel has NEVER read anything on Yoruba mythology.
Go and look up "Iya nla". Jewish slave.

I will bury u in Yoruba belief system.
U think I'm like u.
Bible u dont know, atheism sef asking stupid questions up and down.
Asking who create non existence. Your meta physics knowledge is wack.
Tell me who created nothing?

Yoruba heritage knowledge is zero. Saying olorun had sex with oduduwa. Very dirty mind.

Maynman:
Which Yoruba mythology have you read?

I'm talking about God, stick to God. That's the debate here.

LordReed:
They are myths.

Humans came from the evolution of hominids. I don't know where life came from. I would speculate that it was some kind of progressive accumulation of complexity in carbon and nitrogen based molecules but that's my speculation not any kind of certainty. It could have been from something else I don't know.

since u dont know, then I will leave your origin of creation aside. No need debating guess work.

Now lets go back to your claim that my creation believe is hinged on Jewish history and not on other cultures.

let me ask u a question, Why did Samuel Ajayi Crowther adopted traditional Yoruba deity names, such as "Olodumare/Olorun" for "God" when translating the Bible into Yoruba.
Yorubas were already worshipping Eledumare/Olorun b4 Crowther brought forth the Yoruba bible. Why use such names.
same for chukwu in ibo. Why were those names retained in native bible.

Why didnt the writers of native bible who are theology scholars use a different name for the jewish God since according to u they are not the same deity.

Maynman:
Who created life, who created existence?
If it's eternal, then what did your god create? Did he create existence and non existence?

what does non existence mean?
how can u create non existence?

Maynman:
Where should I study it?
From ODU-ifa or where?

You are the filled of jargons, empty barrel!

I thought u interested in divinity worship. so what stops u from studying the divinity of your own people. all information is on google.
Or u just obsessed with that of the jews? I will say that's inferiority complex.
LEARN ABOUT YOUR PEOPLE. THEY ALSO HAD A WELL DEVELOPED AND SOPHISTICATED BELIEF SYSTEM. DONT BE ASHAMED OF WHO YOU ARE.
atheism is not an excuse to deny your heritage.

[quote author=Maynman post=126665424][/quote]God is life. no one gave him life.
asking who gave God life indirectly mean there was a TIME he had no life and that negates the concept of eternal. DO U GET IT NOW.
God created all existence in physical reality including those with life.

Maynman:
Everything comes from Iya nla aka oduduwa.
Everything is symbolic, olorun literally means heaven, visible sky, oduduwa is earth, when they both had sex(raining), olorun impregnates her with creation.

pls go and study Yoruba pantheon.
what u saying here is rubbish, better still just keep shut.

LordReed:
Show where I said I believe life came out of nothing.

The fact is you don't believe that the other gods from other cultures created humans except the one from the Jewish culture shows that what you are saying is just a red herring.

Who is Eledumare in Yoruba religious mythology. who is Olorun in Yoruba Pantheon.

So where did life and humans come from? big bang?

Maynman:
How does my question revolve around time?
"Is your god lifeless?
If he has a life, who created it? Where did it come from? Nothing?
If it's eternal and he didn't create life, then what exactly did he create?"

Drop this delusion, look up difference between creation and emanation.
You can't bring anything from non Existence to Existence.

what does infinite mean, what does eternal mean. why were those words created?

your question about create means u asking at what time t was God created. u asking when was the life of God created.
God exist outside the physical reality of time, u cant measure him with it.
That does not mean life doesnt exist outside of time, u just cant measure it with time.
Do u get it now?

Maynman:
I'm quoting you.
"Life only exist in this time", so your god is lifeless?

Show me where I said life only exist within time.
What u doing here is equivocation of fallacy.

You've started again.

Maynman:
"Life only exist in this time", so your god is lifeless?

Prove it.

Maynman:
Time does not exist, only the present moment does, the eternal now.

Who created that outside where he is existing?

Time doesn't exist, u do t know what u talking about.

Maynman:
Is your god lifeless?
If he has a life, who created it? Where did it come from? Nothing?
If it's eternal and he didn't create life, then what exactly did he create?

All your questions revolve around a dimension called time.
God is not bound by time. He exists outside of it.