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What other works were authored by gospel writers?
Who wrote the John 1, John 2, John 3?
Who wrote the acts of apostles?

LordReed u see why I hate talking to some people here. Their fingers types faster than the neurons in their brain.
If I ignore him now people will say he's making point, not knowing he's just a nuisance. Without me, he can't breath.

LordReed:
SIRTee15
Saw this and thought about you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-Ucq5QrAc?si=7OpGX3a7f6xldIxz

More on objections raised in the video.


One of the most common objections to the authorship of the gospels is that they didn't include their names.
It's quite a common practice in ancient literary world for writers not to sign their works.
The popular book, the Republic of Plato was anonymous but correctly attributed to Plato.
Julius Caesar also did not sign his works and sometimes writes in 3rd person. Caesar's writings, including his commentaries on the Gallic and Civil Wars, were presented in the third person and did not include a personal signature.

It was not uncommon for individuals not to sign their literary or political works with their names.
The works of prominent figures in ancient Rome and Greece were often attributed to them by later scholars based on style, content, or other considerations rather than being explicitly signed by the authors themselves.
To discredit the gospels for being anonymous is to be disingenuous and crafty in thinking.

Besides we don’t have the original scrolls that the gospel authors wrote on, they very well could have signed it off informally and this wasn't copied on further scripts. A letter like Luke, addressed to a certain person, was unlikely to have originally been written anonymously.

The video also argued that since Matthew’s gospel refers to Matthew in the third person he couldn’t have been the author.
As shown earlier with Julius Caesar, it was common in writings at that time to refer to yourself in the third person when you weren’t the primary focus.
Another example of this is Josephus who depicted himself as 3rd person in some of his works.

He who had the first lot laid his neck bare to him that had the next, as supposing that the general would die among them immediately; for they thought death, if Josephus might but die with them, was sweeter than life; yet was he with another left to the last, whether we must say it happened so by chance, or whether by the providence of God.

Josephus, Jewish Wars 3.8.7

The video made a ridiculous statement that Matthew couldn’t have written Matthew’s gospel because he was an illiterate.
Matthew worked as a tax collector for the Roman government not the Jewish officials. He will need to communicate both verbally and written in greek to enable him function in his role otherwise he will be replaced.
And as shown in my previous thread. Some of jesus disciples had greek names and spoke greek.
It's just obstinacy in display to insist all Jesus disciples are illiterate.

As for John, I don't understand the guy's problem with a secretary. Even learned Paul sometimes use secretaries to write his epistles, and Peter equally confirmed he used secretaries to write his letters in 1st Peter.
LordReed unfortunately all what the guy has done is just compile well known anti gospel repetitive scripts and present it as of he has discovered something new.
It's the same bori g thrash as usual.

LordReed:
SIRTee15
Saw this and thought about you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-Ucq5QrAc?si=7OpGX3a7f6xldIxz

Same anti biblical claim with deliberate distortion of facts. He clearly avoided evidence that will nail his argument dead.
I already discussed here most of the claim the video raised. I can't be repeating myself all the time.
What I can do is this..bring up any of the claims in the video u find interesting or curious and we will debate it.
Good thing about the video is that it admitted the synoptic gospels were written in the 1st century AD. Most atheist dispute this claim.

Let me give u a bonus.
The video claim the first time the gospels were attributed to the acclaimed authors was 185AD
Well the first new testament compilation- Muratorian cannon was written around 175 to 180 AD and confirmed the 4 gospels.
The guy also conveniently left out father Iranaeus contribution to authorship of the gospels in his book against heresy written in 180 AD.

BlackhatMentor:
Rants.

What about gang related crimes?

Have u even seen those people talk? They talk as if they just can't wait to harm u yikes... their females literally cannot talk without shouting.


Both their celebrities... no one is left out maybe except Shak the basketballer.

What is the biggest fuel of this crime gangs?

Explore2xmore:
You obviously know that the screenshot you just shared describes the content of a false accusation and there Al Tabari is referenced.

What is the title of this article? Prophet David: Unravelling false narratives

In the earlier text is the origin of the false exegesis not described?
Can you simply read the translated text of the Quran verses without relying on exegesis? Relying on the exegesis brings on unnecessary questions as there are views that the litigants were actually assasins, true litigants or angels yet the verse 26 emphasizes conducting justice and not following desire while following the path of God lest we go astray.

The Koran never said they were angels that's my point.

Swiftgrp:
Wikipedia has a very dark side to it because the entries easily get vandalized or re-edited and used for spreading propaganda, defamation and fake news especially under the politics and history sections.

This is the reason why the Wikipedia founders issued a disclaimer on their site that folks should beware of vandalisms in entries and also, academic institutions worldwide do NOT accept citations or references lifted from Wikipedia by students.

Can u submit a chaptgpt generated article as assignment I'm any academic institutions?

I use chatgpt a lot. It's so bland, monotonous, vague and predictable. It lacks the detailed and specificity u want for a researched answer.

There was a time I became interested in Nigerian music industry the early colonial period especially the 1920s. Chatgpt just came up with some general and vague answers about the Nigerian music industry in general. It couldn't cone down into the 1920s I wanted.

Anaskie:
I pray these capitalists don't destroy Open AI, by monetising it.

Chat GPT is the best thing to have happened to the world, post COVID era. They should leave it free for us to enjoy.

There's nothing special about chaptgpt. It's just an app that helps summarise Google search. Sincerely I don't see it's benefit over Wikipedia.

grandstar:
BlackhatMentor

You need to understand where black Americans are coming from and the root of the problem:

1. They suffered from slavery for over 200 years, which ended in circa 1865.

2. After 1865, they suffered from legalized segregation and discrimination which frustrated their ability to rise. Had there been no prejudice
, they would have outpaced the Whites.

3. Most importantly, the US set up a welfare scheme in the 1960s (AFDC) that gave welfare money to single mothers who did not have a job. It also came with free health for her and the kid. The more kids you had, the more money you got. Any increase stopped at 4 kids. Also, the welfare from the state stopped the second they got married. Many simple chose never to marry.

Long suffering black woman grabbed this checks with both hands. Many simply chose not to work and just have kids. The stigma associated with being a single parent disappeared.

In the early 1960s, 70% of all black kids were born to 2 parent families. Today, 70% are raised by single mothers.

Why is this important? Because children raised by single mothers then to fare worse in life.

Sons raised by single mothers are many times more likely to become criminals than those raised by single fathers or 2 parent families.

Daughters raised by single mothers are most likely to become single mothers themselves.

Though the generosity of the AFDC was reduced in the mid 1990s, it already had its devastating effect on the black family.

They have no shame having 3 kids for 3 different men by the time their 23. A man on the Steve Wilkos show said he had 9 daughters, and by the way he said it, all from different woman.

At a time, a third of all welfare dependants were blacks, and a third of all blacks are welfare dependents. It could still be like this. This stats was like 10 years ago.

In the city of Baltimore, 56% opf all black men between the ages of 18-35, is either in jail,in prison, on parole or on probation at any point in term. I got this stat like 2011. It may still be the same.

Many black kids grew up in neighborhoods where they never saw a man wake up and go to work. Their role models were drug dealers and pimps.

Even in Germany, some stupid Nigerian women too, exploit such schemes. A man was shocked to one day discover his wife had divorced him. Why? So she could be collecting welfare checks and doing nothing. Would you allow your son to marry her daughter? You see where I am coming from

This is really powerful. Thanks for bringing this insightful piece. A departure to the shallow rhetorics parroted by the op.
Articles like this is how we move forward. Recognise the problem and then talk about solution.
Not just shouting black Americans are lazy up and down.

grandstar, u omitted the master of all problems affecting the BA community...drugs.
The introduction of drug business by the CIA and FBI into the black American community during the Regan yrs destroyed the work ethic spirit amongst the blacks. Unfortunately the business put them at constant breach of the law and risk of arrest.
The funny thing is African Americans themselves don't use these drugs, the biggest consumers of drugs in America are whites. The importers are Hispanics not blacks. The big players in the drug business are whites and Hispanics not blacks.
But the street traders are blacks. They are the ones pushing and selling the little grams on the street.
The consequences are dire. Blacks gets arrested more for selling drugs, that means more blacks get jailed for drug related offences compared to other race.
The decision to push drugs into the BA community in the 80s was a deliberate one by the American govt to further weaken and destroy the cohesion/value system within the BA community.

I strongly believe the BA community has what it takes to surpass other race in America including whites. They did it in the past even in the face of terrible oppression.

BlackhatMentor:
Read the history of those countries before comparing them to countries in Africa.

You are a joke for this your comment.
South Korea was bombed and bombed until there was nothing to bomb anymore. The people were so poor that eating a meal per day was considered a luxury, even their govt was so poor it couldn't afford money to build schools.

Singapore woke up one day and they were told they've been cut off from Malaysia and henceforth they should be on their own. No warning, no compensation, nothing. Malaysia simply told them go and that was it. This was a country that had no natural resources, even their water is from Malaysia.

Vietnam went thru a terrible civil war. Fought France, then America and finally China. It was 30 consecutive yrs of constant war. After that came heavy sanctions for another 30 yrs.

No African country went thru what south korea, Singapore and Vietnam experienced yet we are so far behind.

Explore2xmore:
Did you review your argument before presenting it?

You share an extract authored by Aqeel Ahmed Kang in alhakam.org who reviews a number of Tafsir's including Al-Tabari, Tafsir-e-Saghir and Ishaq Al-Thalabi then makes the statement "Two of his enemies – not angels – scaled the wall of his private chamber". If there aren't Tafsir's saying these are angels WHY will he make such statement?

Note that Kang dissected the erroneous narrative of Prophet David's relationship with Bathsheba which is often depicted in a scandalous and sensationalized manner, perpetuating a distorted view of Prophet David's character. Or tell me you missed that intact don't bother!

Didn't you see the source of the story which I underlined?

Ok I finally found a source that agreed with u that the litigant were angels but do u also agree with Al tabari that David killed Uriah?
Explorer u can't be picking and choosing at will, it makes no sense and brings your argument to mockery.

Abagworo:
But in truth Lagos culture and ethnic composition is distinguishable from proper Yoruba because Slave returnees, other Nigerians, Europeans, non-Yoruba Egun natives, Asians and other factors are in the mix. It is what it is and shouldn't be a big issue

Your statement would have made sense if u included Lagos Yoruba native.
There are Yoruba people who are native to Lagos. That's what you and that gbadebo guy don't understand.

Armaggedon:
He is a native of Lagos, those attacking him are not. That's what is important.

Again, what he said about Lagos having always stood seperate from Yorubaland is true. The colony of Lagos was different from the rest. When the west became a region, Lagos was the FCT outside the control of all the regions (that's how the idea of no man's land started)

Finally, with the collapse of the regions, Lagos became a separate state. It is important to note that lagosians objected being part of southwest region during the national conference in 2014.

People should learn to keep shut if they don't know enough about a topic instead of running their diarrhea mouth online.
Lagos state today comprise of 5 divisions. 4 of those divisions belonged to the western region and was under the control of Awolowo western region govt. They are Epe, ikorodu, badagry and Ikeja. Even the coveted Lekki was under western region. Only Lagos division was the former Lagos- capital of Nigeria.
To put into proper perspective, 95 % of Lagos state landmass was under western region. So how dare u say Yorubas don't have a stake in present Lagos state. U must be dumb as your GRV who thinks Lagos starts and end on Lagos Island and VI. He go shock am.

See the map of Nigeria in 1900 and check what was called Lagos colony

Explore2xmore:
Alas you don't fail to display your ignoramus. My statement that some does not signify all or does it?



Lessened the text and emboldened for you to see. Are you on your own incapable of research to find exegesis that call the litigants angels? When you arrogantly refuse to share what may or may not be useful knowledge hiding on a claim that it will do me no good as you see the future that I will not agree with you. 😁😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why not use this same clairvoyance or supernatural ability to find the exegesis saying the litigants are angel.
SILLY ENTITY

Now that we both acknowledged that your tafseer is corrupt, we can't use it as a basis to settle this matter, it should be rejected as an authentic source because it's not reliable.
Isn't that what u guys do to the bible claiming it's corrupt.
Pls don't bring up the tafseers anymore, they are not reliable. If u dont have any other reliable source, just end it. Ok.
Let's go to the bible. Let me teach u real exegesis and not your 419 scholars who need to first know what's written in the bible b4 making up their mind how to interpret the koran.

Explore2xmore:
Alas you don't fail to display your ignoramus. My statement that some does not signify all or does it?



Lessened the text and emboldened for you to see. Are you on your own incapable of research to find exegesis that call the litigants angels? When you arrogantly refuse to share what may or may not be useful knowledge hiding on a claim that it will do me no good as you see the future that I will not agree with you. 😁😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why not use this same clairvoyance or supernatural ability to find the exegesis saying the litigants are angel.
SILLY ENTITY

My friend, u denounced your own tafsirs right here on this thread, u claimed they are filled with errors and the scholars made mistakes
So why should I go and research tafseers u used your own mouth to denounce as false.
When u were choosing and picking tafsirs at your own convenience, u never thought about the reciprocity of such folly.
One tafseer said David coveted Bathsheba, another one said David killed Uriah and nothing wrong with it, one even said this men were normal human beings. Now u brought one that said the litigants were angels.
Which one should we believe in the growing pillage of confusing tafseers.



Mr Man I want authentic islamic literature that u have not used your mouth to denounce. I want evidence from the Koran or the hadiths u consider authentic.

Explore2xmore:
Now you show your arrogance that all this is not but for sake of winning an argument.

Probably why you hide that if you tell me certain things of your own scripture under your claim that I will not believe.

Do you all deceive yourselves that there aren't situations amongst humans where only one plaintive states his case in a dispute and the other is disallowed?


A reference to Guinness world records betrays your propensity to worldly views when your own scripture tells you the wisdom of man is but foolishness before God.
Yes both persons came for a settlement and only one stated his side of the dispute and a hasty reactive statement was made to his comment without listening to the other.
Are you all stuck up in your reasoning to see this?

All can bear witness that I gave explorer the opportunity to provide evidence for his claim that the litigants were angels but he declined to take up the challenge.
This proves only thing...the angelic claim is just a figment of imagination from Explore2xmore without any authentic islamic literature to back it up.
Cased closed

Ok, let's go the bible since u ve been itchy to go there since this debate started.
Now I will teach explorer how to answer theological questions without garnishing it with lies or false tales.

Free to ask me any questions. I will go thru out posts and reply to bible questions u asked earlier.
Feel free to ask more

Uptownerd:
Another uneventful meeting that is going to end with Xi Jinping embarrassing Joe Biden on the biggest stage yet again. President Xi would rather have a 24/7 siesta, but the show must go on.

China has refused any military talks between the two countries because USA just have nothing to say than give orders and ultimatum even as they know that it is meaningless.

With Huawei breaking the chip barrier for the Chinese government, give it 3-6years and China will confidently take a hit to completely decouple from the USA and be the centre piece of its Belt and Road initiative. With Russia's energy and military might, the multipolar new world order will sweep across the global south.

I just hope Nigerians would have taken back their country from the thief's by then. It would be very sad for a new world order to emerge and as usual, Nigerians will be left behind.

So who will buy Chinese finished consumer goods?
Africa or Russia?
Forget China can never decouple from USA.

VIKTO83:
When did seretide become 50k not to talk of 52k.
U people should fear God for once na.
I just called the pharmacy now and it's 20k.

Why do Nigerians like spreading evil news?

Even if there are other brands that sell for 20k, Is 20k cheap, something that asthmatic people needs to buy every month.

Explore2xmore:
Are you playing dumb or actually are?
This is my brother.
Quran 38:23 He has ninety-nine sheep while I have ˹only˺ one. ˹Still˺ he asked me to give it up to him, overwhelming me with ˹his˺ argument.”
Quran 38:24 [David] said, "He has certainly wronged you in demanding your ewe [in addition] to his ewes. And indeed, many associates oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they." And David became certain that We had tried him, and he asked forgiveness of his Lord and fell down bowing [in prostration] and turned in repentance [to Allah].

All this argument will be laid to rest if u can just provide one single evidence from the Koran or hadiths that these litigants are supernatural beings.
Provide just one and u win the argument.
U claim they are angels, show us how u came about that claim.
I've been begging u since yesterday to provide evidence to above but prefers to keep numb.
Don't u want to win the argument?

Explore2xmore:
In absolute Truth Jesus has no earthly father. How then is his case treated?

We debating the Miriam, Mary and Maryam conundrum. Stay on topic.
Defend the Koran alone.
U like talking off point too much.

I've told u, it u want to talk about the bible create a thread and tag me.

Explore2xmore:
the sister
'achowth (aw-khoth')
a sister (used very widely, literally and figuratively) -- (an-)other, sister, together.

My friend, Jews don't make reference to their genealogy with sister or uncle.
It's always son or daughter when linking themselves to their lineage.

The first time using sister or uncle as reference to JEWISH ANCESTRY came up in the Koran, a book written by non Jews.
No Jew will ever say Mary, sister of Aaron to establish Mary's ancestry. It must be Mary daughter of Aaron and Imran.

show me anywhere a Jew was linked to his or her genealogy using sister or uncle.
Just one evidence.

Muhammed confused Miriam for Mary when dictating the Koran because the two names bear Maryam in the Arabic language.
So Muhammed must have heard Arab Christians mentioning Maryam being the sister of Aaron and also heard Maryam being the mother of Jesus.
When u understand above, the confusion and extrapolation becomes obvious.

Explore2xmore:
This doesn't mean zit.
Bringforth historically documented persons showing common Ashanti and Yoruba heritage.

Though they may speak different languages and eat distinct foods, people from far-flung geographical locations are genetically very similar, researchers say.

Lineage refers to the direct line of descent from an ancestor, typically through the male line. It is a term used in genealogy to trace family relationships and establish a person’s ancestry.

Ancestry, on the other hand, refers to a person’s family or ethnic background, including all of their ancestors, both male and female, and their cultural heritage. It is a broader term than lineage, encompassing all of the people who have contributed to a person’s genetic makeup and cultural identity.

Show me pre islamic evidence that Arabs linked their lineage to Abraham or claim they are descendants of Abraham.

Then show me evidence Arabs had any interaction with Israelites in the 10th century BCE to know enough about what's going on in david's court.

Explore2xmore:
So you have done scientific study to authenticate all the people you are related to?
Is there this much dishonesty in your family so you disbelieve who your parents tell you are relatives?

Were these scientific studies done to prove kinship by the people you read about in your bible?

Don't be a clown.

Guy rest u just waffling.
DNA evidence proves Ashanti and Yoruba shares same west African ancestry. But that doesn't mean they should be correcting Yoruba history on Sango.
That's my point.

If u choose to believe your wife's story over DNA test when it comes to paternity of your child, all when and good. U won't be the first. Feminists worldwide will celebrate u.
Sha don't complain when the child grows up and start looking like your tenant.

Explore2xmore:
Pure Bunkum. Tell me exact persons in their ancestral lineage not genetics. When you tell me a common character between Ashanti and Yoruba not geographical generalization there may be an axiom for discussion.

So u will take oral tradition over science? Is that what u saying. Are u arguing historical records trumps scientific evidence? Seriously.
Then why all the noise about DNA test. If your wife tells u this is your child why do u dispute it when DNA evidence says otherwise.
Abegi, this one no be talk.

Explore2xmore:
Where did Arabs come from? Can their ancestry be traced?

Tell me too are the Indians cut off? I know no mention of an Indian prophet in the Bible.

I see your problem is the source of information. How lowly you view the ability of God.

🥱🥱🥱🥱
Seriously I don't even understand what u talking here. Where did Indians take enter the picture. Did their gods also gave them a story about David and bathsheba?

My friend rest. West African history u no sabi. Arab history that u follow their religion, u no sabi.

I've been asking u to provide just one evidence from the Koran that the 2 litigants are supernatural beings. U failed to give a response.

I think this case is now done and dusted. Muhammed's story is a big lie. Baba iro.
Thank u TenQ for doing a good job bringing this up.

As for my faith. I think I have debated the bible with u b4. If I'm right, we discussed the book of 2nd Peter.
I'm never afraid nor ashamed to discuss the gospel. It's the power of salvation to everyone.
Feel free to tag me whenever u open a thread about the bible and we will cure your doubt/ignorance

Something u guys couldn't do here.

Maranatha. God bless.

Explore2xmore:
David realised he did not give perfect justice haven not listened to both sides of the dispute.


You talked about Ashanti and the Yoruba mythological Sango. What do Yoruba and Ashanti share in common?


Arabs getting cut off removes a shared ancestry through Ishmael to Abraham. Please explain. Or what exactly were they cut off from?

"try another religion. I'm very much happy to welcome u to the Christian fold." You say yet?



Are you expecting me to blindly follow or come under your spell? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Just saw someone refer to you as having some anointing. Oh please.

Yoruba and Ashanti share the same west African ancestry. The Haplogroups E1b1a and E1b1b are found in both tribes in varying frequencies.
Go and read about the battle of atakpame to learn about engagement btw both tribes prior to your colonial division claim.

That we share same ancestry doesn't mean Ashanti should be correcting the history of sango for the yorubas. It makes no sense. Sango is a unique historical events for the Yorubas only.

The Arabs were never called Israelites, they are not levants, they were never regarded as cannanites. The story of David happened when Israelites had settled in the land of Canaan, they had no interaction with the Arabs.
Maybe if the philistines had written about David and bathsheba, I would give it serious consideration because they had regular engagement with the Israelites.

Arabs never linked their lineage to Abraham until Muhammed appeared on stage.
The kabba was a shrine dedicated to a Nabataean deity called Hubal for hundreds of years. There's no pre islamic evidence that Abraham and Ismael built the kabba.

Muhammed is the one who should explain how he came about all these fascinating tales. Simple.

Explore2xmore:
How convenient?
You already see errors in your arguments before sharing with me which makes you sure I wouldn't find them credible? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I see how high you rate your Biblical Christian arguments.

Take a thorough look at yourself and the Christianity you profess. Perhaps you have done this and wish to relieve your regrets by seeking faults elsewhere?

Sadly I hope it eventually does you some good.

My friend leave all this whataboutism and give us dawah. We here to learn about Islam and its tales by moonlight, not your lecture on what u know nothing about.

If u want us to talk about the biblical version of David, open another thread. But here we want to know about Islam and to test it's book.

I just don't understand all these modern Muslims, u ask them a question about Koran, they quickly run to the bible.
Can't Koran be defended standing alone, must u seek validation from another religion b4 the Koran makes sense.

Explain to us how a poor man convinced a rich man to climb wall so that the poor man can report the rich man to the king.

Give a logical explanation to the forgiveness asked by dawood in the story.

You said the 2 men were angels and u claim they disappeared, back this up with evidence from your koran. Show me anything from your Koran that depicts them as supernatural beings.
If they have powers, why are they climbing walls like thieves.

Is this too hard to ask for of the koran? Why are u dragging the bible into your mess created by your own book?


I've debated you and other Muslims on this platform multiple times, u will never see me ducking to the Koran to defend the bible. Not once.
It makes no sense seeking validation for your faith in another religion. It's an indirect way of saying 'my religion makes no sense, so I must also discredit yours so that both are inside potopoto- mud'

My friend, if islam no make sense, try another religion. I'm very much happy to welcome u to the Christian fold. if u want to give Jesus Christ a chance, trust me u will never regret it.

Explore2xmore:
Interesting analogy you drive haven fallen into the colonial division of Africa that broke up tribes through the arbitral creation of colonial units and eventually countries.

Why didn't you say Benin republic and Togo where you also have the Yoruba tribe?

Don't you know Joktan who descended from Eber and his relation to the ishmaelites?
The 12 tribes of Ishmael?

Are u ok? how Ashanti take relates to Yoruba that they will be ones correcting our history.
And what has the white man got to do with this? U well so? Wetin concern colonial division of Africa with our native ancient history, is it the white man that wrote it? My guy u not making sense here.

My example is same everywhere. A french man cannot be correcting the history of king Henry VIII and his 7 wives, neither can an English man be telling us what actually happened to queen Marie Antoinette.

If I want to learn about muhamed, I will check Arab sources. I wont travel to Israel to start researching Muhammed in the Talmud. Do u get it now?

Besides, If at all we should even accept the Abrahamic genealogy of Arabs, they got cut off from chain link 1000yrs b4 the story of David and bathsheba happened. Arabs are in no position to be telling us the history of the Jews.
It makes no sense my friend and you know it. If not for religion and blind faith, u would not even consider it.

Explore2xmore:
Before we further digress; Acts 13:22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.’

Did your christian God have David commit adultery and plan a murder?

Let me ask u a question? because I notice u ve yarning about private chamber up and down, claiming they dont have physical walls.

How do fresh air enter private inner chambers?

Explore2xmore:
Before we further digress; Acts 13:22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.’

Did your christian God have David commit adultery and plan a murder?

The focus of this thread is the version of the story in the koran. U Muslims already said the biblical narration is false, so why should I discuss it with u.
Will I change your mind if I explain the biblical exegesis to u? No?
My friend, tell us why the version of the Koran is true. That's what this thread is all about.

The Jewish people wrote the history of their kings in a book. 1500 yrs later, Muslims from Arab land claimed they have a better version.

It's like the Ashanti people of Ghana claiming they have the true version of what happened to sango and the Yoruba narration is false.

Explore2xmore:
Do you abrogate a family religion between the 12 tribes of Israel?
Anyway there are notes of exact racism in your Biblical literature so much so your Biblical Jesus made difference between the Jews and Gentiles.
Then in circumspect Paul and Christians want to force a Jesus who restricted himself upon the whole world.

In essence your concerns and errors in slandering the one the Biblical God says is after his own heart.

Acts 13:22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.’

So God wanted David to commit adultery or fornication with Bathseba then further place her husband or Bethroted to be killed?

Do take your confusing contradictions to your private corners

Talking about racism.
Maybe u should explain to us why muhammed sold two black slaves to purchase the freedom of one Arab slave.
I guess the two blacks slaves told Muhammed they loved their chain.

TenQ:
This is what happens when lies are invented to prop up other lies of islam: as if the new lies would erase the old.

Stay blessed bro

Thanks bro.
I just read your number one question. I don laff taya.
Imagine a poor man convincing a rich man that they should both jump fence to get the king's audience.
Koran no go kill person

Explore2xmore:
When you limit your definition of a fence you fail to understand. David had an inner chamber he withdrew to for deep worship. Here he was isolated from external disturbance while worshipping God.

Has there come to you the story of the litigants when they made an entry into the private chamber (of David) by climbing over the walls? They entered on David, and he was frightened of them” (Qur’an, 38:21).

Wall/Fence/Barrier?

Show me evidence in the Koran those two men had supernatural powers, just one.
According to your Koran did they climb over the fence or not? How can angels be climbing walls like thieves.
So are u saying inner chambers don't have walls, is that what u saying? I think u need to research more on ancient structural design.

Your argument is funny, it's not ok for David to be covetous because he's a prophet, but it's ok for angels to jump walls like common thieves because they wanted to talk to someone.

Thankfully, your Koran got it right this time. The men were not called angels or ascribed any supernatural powers.

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Alas you feign blindness at things evidently clear:

"[David] said, "He has certainly wronged you in demanding your ewe [in addition] to his ewes. And indeed, many associates oppress one another, except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they." [b]And David became certain that We had tried him, and he asked forgiveness of his Lord and fell down bowing [in prostration] [/b]and turned in repentance [to Allah]."
(QS. Saad 38: Verse 24)


And has the news of the litigants reached you? When they climbed over the wall into (his) Mihrab (a praying place or a private room). When they entered in upon David, he was terrified of them, they said: Fear not! (We are) two litigants, one of whom has wronged the other; therefore judge between us with truth, and treat us not with injustice, and guide us to the Right Way.

““Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: ‘Hand it over to me,’ and he overpowered me in speech.”David said immediately without listening to the opponent: “He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few.”And David guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.O David! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah.

https://muhammadsufian./2010/12/25/the-story-of-prophet-dawud-two-litigants-the-authentic-version/


"Verily, this is my brother (in religion) has ninety nine ewes, while I have only one ewe, and he says: 'Hand it over to me,' and he overpowered me in speech."

Dawud said immediately without listening to the opponent: "He has wronged you in demanding your ewe in addition to his ewes. And, verily, many partners oppress one another, except those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and they are few."

And Dawud guessed that We have tried him and he sought Forgiveness of his Lord, and he fell down prostrate and turned to Allah in repentance. So We forgave him that, and verily, for him is a near access to Us, and as good place of final return Paradise.

O Dawud! Verily! We have placed you as a successor on earth, so judge you between men in truth and justice. And follow not your desire for it will mislead you from the Path of Allah. Verily! Those who wander astray from the Path of Allah shall have a severe torment, because they forgot the Day of Reckoning. (38:21-26 Quran).

https://www.islamicboard.com/prophets-of-islam/1711-prophet-dawud-david.html

You believe in partial or impartial justice? Perhaps you can give fair justice without holistic consideration of issues.

Please you have an attribute you pretend to be incapable of using. Or do you draw faith in attributing detestable things to prophets of God as a means to encourage improper behaviour in faulty hope that you will be forgiven? Why will you deliberately do wrong in belief that you will be forgiven. Where lies your sincerity?

How did u know that the 2 litigants were angels. Did the Koran mentioned or hadith mentioned them as angels.
The Koran said the two men scaled the fence. I dont think angels should be jumping over the fence to see someone. If they have the power to disappear, then they should have the power to appear not jump the fence as written in Koran.

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Prophets do not commit such sinful acts. We believe that these stories from the Old Testament regarding the prophets are partially embedded with fabrications and warped narrations to create a spicy/false stories.

A prophet of God would never commit adultery and be enslaved to his temptations to the point that he causes a woman’s husband to die in the battlefield so he could marry this woman who he lusts after. In Islam David is a pious, righteous king and prophet for his peoples just like how messengers and prophets of God are supposed to set examples for the people whom they were sent to.

There are other such stories in the Bible such as Lot and his daughters, Elisha and the kids mauled by bears, etc that is totally out of character.

Is (QS. Saad 38: Verse 23)
"Indeed this, my brother, has ninety-nine ewes, and I have one ewe; so he said, 'Entrust her to me,' and he overpowered me in speech" the statement of one litigant or both of them?
What did the other litigant who wanted judgement say? Did he say anything?

Is this not the mistake David a.s committed in not hearing both sides of a dispute?
How is there fairness without reviewing the interests or it suits your goal to destroy the character of one God deemed close to him in making him a callous dictator?

David, without hearing from the other party, said: "He did you wrong by taking the sheep back, and many partners oppress one another, except for those who are believers.

So are u saying David err in his judgement. Didn't Allah endow him the gift of decisive judgement.
Is this not a contradiction.

Anyway, unless u bring your Scholastic source. Above is your own bias opinion and desperate attempt to justify the Koran against the bible.