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Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 11:54am On Oct 19, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
Who then is lying in this verse below?

Exodus 6:3:
“And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El Shaddai, and by my name YHWH I was not known to them.”

Yahweh or the author of Bible?

I answered it in a previous thread.
Check the answer here

https://www.nairaland.com/7580234/why-jews-kill-messiah/7#123950383

Here is an excerpt that's relevant to your question

An example of this could be seen in the book of Samuel where the boy Samuel served on the temple of the LORD and found favour in his site, but was written that the boy Samuel didn't know the Lord when God called him.

Then Elkanah went home to Ramah, but the boy Samuel ministered before the Lord under Eli the priest. 1 Samuel 2.11

And the boy Samuel continued to grow in stature and in favor with the Lord and with people. 1 Samuel 2.26

Now Samuel did not yet know the LORD: The word of the LORD had not yet been revealed to him. 1 Samuel 3.7

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 6:08pm On Oct 18, 2023

Someone is using modern biblical scholars guess work and assumptions as evidence that Abraham didn't call God YAHWEH.
HAHAHA. I can't laugh loud.
Even Bart Erhman admits bible critics are not historians.
You have to do better. Bring real evidence or let's call it a day.

Good debating FOLYKAZE. seems you have some substance, at least he knows his stuff even if they are clouded with assumption most times. He should learn to be more open minded.

As for the usual nuisance, I've forgiven u. U can start mentioning me now, but learn to understand when someone doesn't want to talk to u. Nairaland isn't real life, dont kill yourself here.

My advice to all atheist: see the bible as a historical document. It will help shape your theological thinking.
Then maybe we can discuss theology, an area that gives u guys better advantage.

Dismissing the bible as a myth is only going to expose u as shallow and a wannabe . Ur arguments will fall flat when debated because it can't stand real test of scrutiny.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 5:51pm On Oct 18, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
Maybe is not certainty. An illness there isn't same as devolution into a goat. In Daniel, the subject is Nebuchadnezzar, not Nabonidus.

Quit all these fruitless revisionism

I told u I'm not here to discuss theology. I'm here to discuss the old testament as the history of the Jews.

So how we handle history? Swallowing it hook, line and sinker because someone wrote it down or rejecting it outright because we don't agree with it?

The bible is an invaluable and incredible historic evidence not only for faithfuls but also historians.

All works of ancient history are neither entirely factual nor entirely made up.
That's why your myth theory claim can't fly, it will fall flat when scrutinized.

By looking at details in history book and comparing with independent sources, as we do for the Jewish exile and return here, we do have a good chance of figuring out what is historically correct and what is later theological interpretation.

That's how u handle history. Not just calling it myth up and down because it doesn't agree with your bias perspective.

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 5:28pm On Oct 18, 2023*

So now that we know the patriarch in Genesis called God by the name YAHWEH.
Can any atheist produce a real evidence that proves YAHWEH is a desert God.
Thank you.

cc
FOLYKAZE

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 5:19pm On Oct 18, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
Abraham worshiped Yahweh... Lol

Let us focus on the subject here please

Even Abraham's servant, Isaac, Jacob and Laban knew the name of God as YAHWEH.

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 5:08pm On Oct 18, 2023*

FOLYKAZE:
Abraham worshiped Yahweh... Lol

Let us focus on the subject here please

So did the patriarch called God by his real name YAHWEH.
Well let's check what the Masoretic text says.
First is God calling himself YAHWEH to Abraham and Abraham responded with same name.

I do hope u know what it means when God is written as LORD in the bible.

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 4:53pm On Oct 18, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
Abraham worshiped Yahweh... Lol

Let us focus on the subject here please

What did Hebrew interlinear say....

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 4:43pm On Oct 18, 2023*

FOLYKAZE:
With this kind of response, I will never indulge myself discussing with you again.

Thanks for your time and efforts. Have a nice day

U will do well to mind your business and not put mouth in what u know nothing about
Did u reprimand your fellow atheist degrading response...no. hypocrite.

I will call u out if u declare my faith a myth because it's not. Your response is irrelevant.
Maybe if other Christians do justice I will let u be.
because I'm neither obsessed with the nairaland nor anybody here.
Unlike your fellow atheist who has turned himself into a pest and cant breathe without calling my name or insulting it.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 4:38pm On Oct 18, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
Abraham worshiped Yahweh... Lol

Let us focus on the subject here please

Genesis 22.13
Maybe I should read the book critically b4 calling it a myth.

13 Then Abraham looked up and saw a ram caught by its horns in a thicket. So he took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering in place of his son. 14 Abraham named the place Yahweh-Yireh (which means “the Lord will provide”). To this day, people still use that name as a proverb: “On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided.”

Family › Re: My Wife Calls Her Family For Everything by SIRTee15: 1:48pm On Oct 18, 2023

Kenturkey048:
God... How did we get here??

How did Men become so weak that they can't even control their own home... God.. Why are men of today so weak??....

OP.. Send her back home to be with her brothers until she learns contentment because from the look of things you can't control your marriage.

Other than giving a stern warning, you are begging her to stop. If you don't stamp your feet, she will keep taking you for a ride... But come to think of it, did you court before marriage??

Like you saw all these red flags and went ahead to marry her...

He be like say u never date girl from a rich home b4.
That girl will never back down, that's the way they were raised.
The marriage would rather crash than give in to penury demands of her husband.
It's will be sooo difficult for his wife to see things from his own perspective because the husband's reasoning can never make sense to her.
It's not her fault, she's from a wealthy home.

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Sports › Re: OGC Nice Suspended Youcef Atal For His Social Media Post Supporting Palestine by SIRTee15: 12:33pm On Oct 18, 2023

naturallysimple:
Because it not Ukraine that is been bomberded. Hypocrite they are, if you can apply the same logic to same issue

Did Ukraine attack Russia. Did Ukraine killed Russian civilians unprovoked.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 12:29pm On Oct 18, 2023

Maynman:
The name Israel comes from EL, and he was the main deity giving inheritance to Yahweh and his other children.
Yahweh is not a Cannanite god, he was worshipped by the midianite before adopted by the Israelites.

Yahweh comes from Egypt.

Have u asked your parents. See what u wrote about them below:

If Maynman parents are of any worth will he be abusing other people's parent, doomed vagabond.

That's what you get when slavery and uselessness runs in Maynman lineage.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 12:24pm On Oct 18, 2023

FxMasterz:
Avoid any discussion with maynman at all cost. The discussions usually lead no where. He's very rude and immature. A very bitter soul who always seeks to insult and abuse Christians during discussions. He'll then come back to say you started it first, when you accuse him of being toxic.

A simple talk such as 'ask your parents' which could have delivered such a response as 'I'm mature and knowledgeable enough to unravel matters by myself. Why should I ask my parents?' Or, I need an answer from you, not from my parents' is what led him to start calling your parents Jewish slaves.

The other day, I was discussing with him and told him about a babyfish caught by Russians in the 90s during the gulf war. I actually thought he'll be aware of the incident but he claimed nothing of such happened. I told him that we could retrieve the information from the archives of national dailies or he could ask elders around. He replied me that his elders are not liars like mine. Can you imagine? Every conversation I have ever had with him always ends with insults. He wouldn't even bulge if you're not replying him back with insults. He'll continue until you're pushed to the wall. He's such a dark soul with a very devilish mind. That shouldn't come as a surprise since he's godless, he cannot be any better. However, I must admit that there are atheists who behave more maturely and engage in mutually respectful conversations on this platform. Maynman is not the case. After a few lines of discussion, you'll find out he's not worth the engagement. Shun him from henceforth.

He's lost.
I gave up on him the day he justified sex change in children. He claim children are only aware of themselves as a person and we adults are the one pushing girl/boy concept into their heads.
U can imagine such reprobate thinking. I must say atheism is a disease of the mind.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 12:16pm On Oct 18, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
And we have trashed this issue in the past.
https://www.nairaland.com/5682778/historicity-bible-justification-christian-faith

Let us focus on the subject of this thread

I wasn't active in religious section when above happened.
However, I already did a good job of curing so many ignorant claims by u atheist here on nairaland and will continue to do so.
U guys have nothing on the bible, worse off with the new testament which is the foundational basis of Christianity.

Your comment of Yahweh being a desert god already expose your shallow knowledge of old testament history

Yahweh was known as a deity in the levantine region even before Israel nation came into existence.
There was some knowledge of Yahweh in the mesopotamian region where Abraham came from, Yahweh wasn't the main deity and was generally viewed as a fringe/lesser god.
Laban, Abraham's nephew worshipped Yahweh amongst his other idols because that's what he knew.
Nahor, Terah and their ancestors may have known Yahweh is some capacity but not fully.

Abraham was the first man to fully worship God properly in contemporary recorded history era and he passed this down to his children.
That doesn't stop other levantine nations from knowing Yahweh or worshipping him in some unacceptable ways they dim it fit.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 11:31am On Oct 18, 2023

Maynman:
They are not Jewish slaves like your parents

Continue dragging your parents to shame. Shameless fool
That's what u get when u fail to instill Godliness into your kids.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 11:30am On Oct 18, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
Hahahaha

He had a very long tail too

Was the king illness cured by Daniel? Maybe

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 11:27am On Oct 18, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
Hahahaha

He had a very long tail too

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 11:27am On Oct 18, 2023

Maynman:
Where did the text say this?

Ask your parents

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 10:41am On Oct 18, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
You brought a source that was written not even by the eye witness and call that primary source? Do you know what primary source is? Please save us from the concorted tales.

I have shown you the text from Cyrus cylinder and it explicitly dictate that he identified with Marduk and reestablished sanctuaries in Mesopotamia. You are the one claiming he made further declaration so give us evidence... Not just a concorted garbage from the bible but data from primary source.

And we have trashed this issue in the past.
https://www.nairaland.com/5682778/historicity-bible-justification-christian-faith

Let us focus on the subject of this thread

Give me evidence Persian kings do not give further edicts after initial verdict or safe me your waffling.

I'm not here to discuss theology with u but history. The old testament will be used as the history of the Israelites.

Jews were deported from their homeland and then returned. The bible told us how it happened.

Now u calling that a myth without any evidence why or how it's a myth. U don't twist logic on his head n expect to use it

The Cyrus cylinder is evidence that Cyrus ordered all deportees to return to their homeland in mesopotamia and other regions

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 12:15am On Oct 18, 2023

Maynman:
What's the sources of the Septuagint?

The reason why it was called Septuagint was because it represented number "70" representing the scholars that interpreted it now that we know that wasn't the case and there was no 70 scholars, who are the people that interpreted it, which text did they use?
Think, Yahweh worshipper.

If I pounce on u now people will think I'm wicked.
Stop mentioning me!!! how many times will I tell u.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 11:29pm On Oct 17, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
If you know he gave a further declaration then show evidence.

When presenting evidence, please give us primary source and not sme overcopied tertiary source like the one below

Flavius Josephus is simply retorting the garbage in Torah.

Primary source for something that happend more than 2500 yrs ago.
Do u know when the cylinder edict was found? 1879.

My primary source is the Septuagint that was written 250 yrs after the said event.

Now bring your own primary source that says Persian king do not issue further decrees to reiterate given edicts.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 11:06pm On Oct 17, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
Ate grass and walked on four limbs....

What do u think they depicting when they say someone ate grass. Can someone in his sane mind eat grass.
A Babylonian king was in that state of mind.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 10:27pm On Oct 17, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
Please go back to what you firstly quoted. I was saying bible is simply an amplified Jewish nationalistic propaganda. And that Cyprus declaration is one of the proof of fabrications, revision and distortions of fact in the Bible.

You would have believe that Nebuchadnezzar ate grass for seven years because he is a historical figure and was mentioned in the bible

A Babylonian king actually ate grass though not Nebuchadnezzar.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 10:23pm On Oct 17, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
Bro read the excerpt from the declaration..

Now compare with Ezra 1

Where was Israel, Jerusalem, Yahweh or Judah mentioned?

When did Cyrus identify with Yahweh?

If you cannot see the fabrications, distortion of fact and revision done by Israel there then you are a hypocrite

And who told u the Cyrus decree in the book of Ezra is meant to be the same as the edict in the Cyrus cylinder.

When did Cyrus issue the cylinder edict? He gave it after conquering Babylon and ordered it to be buried into the ground in Babylon.
It was an example of general verdict given by Persian kings after conquering a city to stamp their authority.

So u saying he couldn't have given further specific decree in pursuant of his earlier policy of deportee returning to their homeland and building the temple.

Is that what u saying?

Here is another extra biblical source depicting the policy of Jews returning to their homeland as ordered by Cyrus. From flavius Josephus, antiquities of the Jews.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 8:49pm On Oct 17, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
I have shown you quite enough evidence of fabrications, twisting and heavy distortion of facts in the Bible as against the Cyrus cylinder.

If it is half truth, it is as good as a lie

I don't know your background so I'm not here to discuss theology with u.
I'm here to debate historical fact. I mentioned u because u claimed Jews exiles returning to Jerusalem was a myth which in all practicality your claim makes no sense.

The Cyrus cylinder is evidence Cyrus gave an edict that deportees are to return home and to restore their religious temple.
Of Jews were exiled in Babylon during the time Cyrus conquered Babylon, then the verdict applies to them.
Simple.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 8:18pm On Oct 17, 2023

KnownUnknown:
Were the “prophecies” written after the fact. Yes or No

Which prophecies. I'm not here to discuss theology but historicity.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 5:24pm On Oct 17, 2023*

FOLYKAZE:
The declaration debunked the claim in the Bible as mere fabrications and prophetic gloss reek of jargons.

The bible and tales from the Torah made us understand that Cyrus declared the repatriation of the Jewish people after they were taken into captivity and repatriation of Yahweh sanctuaries in Judea. Meanwhile, the excavated cylinder exposes the obvious fraud as the text identifies only Mesopotamian sanctuaries, and makes no mention of Jews, Jerusalem, or Judea.

On a larger ground, Cyrus identifies with Marduk, the Babylonian chief God, showing no relationship or knowledge about yahweh. So where did Isaiah get his misrepresented vision from?

The Cylinder only contain first known declaration of human right, indicating people had the right to choose their own religion and establish racial equality. Does this corroborate with what the Bible which fixated on Judaism?

Did the Cyrus declaration states that deported people in Babylon be repatriated. Yes or No.
Did the Cyrus declaration ordered the restoration of temples and religious cult of people destroyed by Babylon. Yes or No
Were Jews exiled in Babylon or u want archeological evidence of that too.

Mr Man u have no point.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by SIRTee15: 2:21pm On Oct 17, 2023

Raheeqilmaktoom:
1. I have not seen those christians that do that, hes obliterated most of the ones he met.

2. Now this is funny, even the bible, like authorities in christianity are trying to debunk the myth. Like you have 2 blocks one dosent believe a thing about trinity and considers everone professing that as a polytheist and the other shouting to the heavens about trinity.

Unitarian Christians have always existed since time.
Waraqa, muhammed's mentor and kadijah' s cousin was a Unitarian Christian.

Who are the Christian authorities debunking trinity. Bring established Christian scholars not some heretics.

So long as any Unitarian Christian believe Jesus is the Son of God, then he validates Trinity. The rest is simply semantics.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by SIRTee15: 2:10pm On Oct 17, 2023*

TenQ:
They prefer to change the subject of conversation and talk irrelevancies rather than deal with the issue before them

Why is it that Allah seem to have copied Jesus who spoke some profound words 600 plus years before Islam.?

They don't have answer to these questions because they dont read their Koran.
U can't fully read the Koran, understand it and remain a Muslim. It's impossible, ask all ex-muslims.

There was one I asked here that if truly Allah has a son, should that Son be worshipped.
He got the answer wrong despite the Koran having the expo.

The only thing they now use to argue is that Islam is growing and Christianity is dying.
Therefore Islam is true.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Was The Land Of Israel Before 1948 by SIRTee15: 12:10pm On Oct 17, 2023

FOLYKAZE:
Like the Cyrus declaration or the Exodus that have been debunked as theological propaganda?

Who debunked Cyrus declaration as propaganda?
Have u heard of the Cyrus cylinder?

And who told u cannanites are today's Arab Palestinians?

U would do well not to allow sentiments cloud your reasoning. Do objective research b4 forming an opinion.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does Allah Seem To Copy Jesus Words? by SIRTee15: 12:04pm On Oct 17, 2023*

Raheeqilmaktoom:
As always, its always your lack of comprehension that lead you to dead ends.

The El-Lah dumb argument?
The Muslim pray to Muhammad (S.A.W) in Tashahhud dumb argument?

Be better than that.
Your sources are being debunked left, right and centre. Apostateporhphet, Robert spencer was dragged through the biggest sewer in history, Rashid dosent know what an apple is.

Thing is, its your Christians that dont know what to hold onto, is it 3 Gods in one - polytheism in disguise, against every bible injuction, old and new testament, every christian clergy worth his salt disbelieves in polytheism - even our own local champ Reno, not you guys.

Thing is, you guys are so enmeshed in your mess theres no way out but to twist and turn A into Z.
The 'do Muslims pray to Allahs face or hands' argument comes up. You have no way to hold on than to create chaos and confusion, unfortunately for you, everything is very open.

Your line of work is dying profession, look for a better one.

Jesus is God my friend.
Even your extremes of islamic apologetics now admit that if the gospel of John is true, then Jesus divinity isn't in doubt and he's truly God.
Their argument is now hinged on the gospel of John is forgery. Something that can't prove.

Muhammed hijab shouts more than he makes sense. Once he meets Christians that are ready to debunk him, he shrinks away.

Everybody knows Palestinians are the oppressed and Israeli are not sincere. It would be easy for anyone to defeat the no longer inconsequential 'israel has a right to defend itself' claim.
That claim is too old to be relevant now. Israel is no longer under any threat. They should allow Palestinians to breath.

But Jesus is definitely God. Even your Koran confirms it.

Crime › Re: Woman Flogged For Allegedly Stealing Three Bunches Of Plantain In Akwa Ibom by SIRTee15: 8:58pm On Oct 16, 2023

rickleye:
If that is the farmers profit for a day he is certainly in the wrong business.
And for you to ask a human being to sell herself is monstrous . Would you ask any of your female relative to resort to that ?
If you believe a crime to be committed call the cops . You and I are not the law and shouldn’t take such matters in your hands .

If any relative of mine engage in robbery or prostitution, I'll immediately cut her off. It's different sides of the same coin.

I won't bother to reply to your ignorant comment on the farmer's profit. It's a waste of time.

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