₦airaland Forum

DadaHammed:
Nwa boy 'Igbo apprenticeship' system is recognised under the customary laws.
There is a reason why apprentices are exuded from paying taxes even when they are above 18 years.
Read wide and open your mind.

1. Apprentices do not earn an income so they are not expected to pay tax Mr. man.

2. I do not have time to teach you a whole lecture on customary law, but take this:

a. Nwa boy is incompatible with the laws of the land because the laws of the land have express provisions for apprenticeships

b. The specific aspect of nwa boy culture under examination will not meet what we call the repugnancy test even if there was no statutory impediment, which there is.

Whether you agree or not, no further replies will be honoured.

immortalcrown:
Maybe you do not know the meaning of the word, "argument". Once you disagree with a statement, it is an argument. If I say something is like this and you say it is like that, we are arguing. As for taking an apprentice to court, I have seen many of such cases. I know a case where a court ordered the apprentice to either prolong his apprenticeship under his boss or the apprentice's family should pay part of the money the apprentice stole from the master. The family will pay just a part and the remaining part would be taken as what the boss would have used to settle the boy. The court ruled the case that way because it was proven that the apprentice stole and mismanaged millions of Naira from the boss.

I never said you cannot take an apprentice to Court. It's like you are hard of hearing or just stubborn.

For the last time: I said the Court will apply the normal laws of the land.

You are talking about theft, which is of course known to the laws of Nigeria, and which the Court in your example, treated by ordering specific performance of the contract, failing which, payment of damages.

I'm sure you can find similarities between your case and what I said below:

If the nwa boy comes to court to argue that his settlement is too small, for example, the Court may admit such an argument and will likely favour the boy, because the law recognizes is vulnerability. But the oga can potentially win such a case, where it is shown that the settlement is actually fair: for example, by showing that the settlement exceeds the amount the boy could have saved if paid a fair salary, adjusted by interest to offset inflation and opportunity costs.

This is vastly different from when you want to assert an ownership right over anything the boy owns. That is slavery by Nigerian laws. So good luck arguing that in Court.

Anyway, all that is there to be said has been said.

immortalcrown:
1.
The normal law of the land will maintain that the apprentice belongs to the master throughout the apprentiship period. Even the apprentice's parents have no authority over the apprentice as long as the apprenticeship is on. The parents can only withdraw the apprentice from the apprenticeship and whatever the apprentice did under the master before the withdrawal is bounded by the apprenticeship.

2.
Everything you said about the law being sympathetic is senseless because if it is proven that the apprentice used the master's money to play the bet, the master will be awarded either the whole money or a part of the money. Even if someone testifies to have given the boy the money, there are many other things to consider. On which date and what time did the boy play the bet? If the bet was played when the boy was meant to be taking care of the master's shop, the master will either win the whole money or a part of it because the master's business suffered one form of loss or the other when the apprentice left the shop to play the bet.

I am not supporting the master to lay a claim on the money. I am just pointing out how such a case will be treated in a court of law. But it seems many people here do not know how the law opperates. Well, I have just made my point. I don't need to stress myself on this argument because there is no trophy for the winner in this argument. Suit yourself.

The normal law of which land? Lol. You still think we are talking about your traditional law here??

lol.

Please, I was never arguing with you. I only shared legal knowledge with you. If you doubt me, try and take any nwa boy case to court and see what becomes of yourself since you think its about proving some point on nairaland.

Knowledge is for you to accept or reject, and since you've chosen to reject it, good for you.

Impressed!

immortalcrown:
Few simple questions for you:

1.
Can a court of law handle an apprenticeship case? If yes, what is the essence of your saying the form of apprenticeship is unknown to law?

2.
If an apprentice is proven guilty in a case that involves his master, will the court rule the case against the master just because the apprentice is a weaker one? If no, what is your point?

3.
You said the law favouring the apprentice does not mean he will win the case. Therefore, I am right for saying the master can win the case.

1.
Can a court of law handle an apprenticeship case? If yes, what is the essence of your saying the form of apprenticeship is unknown to law?

I've just told you the case will not be treated according to the customary rules of your apprenticeship system. In other words, the parties can come to Court but the case will be determined by the normal laws of the land. The "master" will have little to no argument whatsoever.

2. If an apprentice is proven guilty in a case that involves his master, will the court rule the case against the master just because the apprentice is a weaker one? If no, what is your point?


I told you quite clearly that the law will adopt a position that is sympathetic to the apprentice but not necessarily to the complete disadvantage of the master. That is to tell you that the probability of the apprentice winning any employment dispute is higher.


3. You said the law favouring the apprentice does not mean he will win the case. Therefore, I am right for saying the master can win the case.

No. I told you the general rule: in all matters of employment, the Courts will be sympathetic to the employee.

If the nwa boy comes to court to argue that his settlement is too small, for example, the Court may admit such an argument and will likely favour the boy, because the law recognizes is vulnerability. But the oga can potentially win such a case, where it is shown that the settlement is actually fair: for example, by showing that the settlement exceeds the amount the boy could have saved if paid a fair salary, adjusted by interest to offset inflation and opportunity costs.

But I also told you the specific rule: in this particular case, the so-called master cannot win. He has no legal claim because his claim is rooted in the customary rules of the nwa boy system.

I have told you that the law will not recognize these rules because they are legally akin to slavery.

immortalcrown:
See your statement below:
What do you mean here? If a court can handle an apprenticeship matter, why did you ask the question?

You are just kidding by claiming the court ruling will always favour the apprentice. If an apprentice steals his master's money or car and the master takes the apprentice to court, will the court rule the case against the master because the apprentice is a weaker one? If an apprentice attempts assassination of his master and the master has a cogent evidence, will the court ruling favour the apprentice?

Kai.

I assumed you had a certain level of understanding. That was my fault. I'll break it down

1. Nwa boy is not known to law and cannot be admitted in Court in its customary form. That is because the characteristics of the nwa bo arrangement are legally akin to slavery or human trafficking. This means if a case concerning an nwa boy and his so-called master comes to court, the Court will not treat it as an nwa boy arrangement. It will accept the case of course, but it will treat it according to the normal labour laws of the land. Do you understand now?

2. When I said the law favours the employee, this is within the context of labour conflicts, not murder or other matters that are irrelevant to the subject of employment relations. I thought that would have been obvious? Besides, the law favouring the employee does not even mean that the employee will win all the time: it means that by default, the employer has a higher argumentative burden.

So you see, you must never open you mouth to discuss law. You don't even know the basics.

immortalcrown:
If a deal lacks legal agreement and the parties take their dispute to court, won't the curt handle the matter? Did all the people that have taken their problems to court sign a legal agreement before starting the businesses that resulted in the problems? Answer these questions or remain the disgraceful one.

Still insisting on talking about things you don't know about??

You can't even read and comprehend what I wrote. Where did I say the Court won't handle the matteR?? I said the Court won't resolve it in favour of the so-called master!

Part of this is because nwa boy, a form of slavery, is not recognizable by law.

Secondly, in any employment dispute, especially where there is no legal agreement, the Courts will tend to take the side of the employee, on the basis of the fact that the employee has a weaker bargaining position.

It is not possible, never, nowhere, and in no place, that under such an nwa boy arrangement, the Courts will agree that the so-called master owns the boy's winnings.

Don't argue with me. I'm teaching you.

immortalcrown:
Why can't apprentices do such things without louding it?

A similar situation happened in Onitsha and the boss wanted the whole money. The boss said he is entitled to the whole money because the apprentice used his (boss's money) to play the bet. Meanwhile, the apprentice used his lunch money for the bet as his boss gave him 300 Naira daily for lunch. I don't know how they settled it.

I am not in support of the boss's claim. But let us be factual and logical here. It is best to keep such as a secret. If you as an apprentice expose such, the boss can claim the money. He can even win in a law court because the apprentice is his responsibility and the apprentice is obligated to dedicate all his time to serving the boss during the apprentiship period, especially if the boss takes the boy to shop and gives him lunch from home. If the boss gives the boy transport fare or money for lunch, the court can establish that the boy owns the bet money because the boy has the right to decide whether to starve himself and spend his lunch money on something else. If the boy does not get transport fare and lunch allowance, the court will establish that the capital used for the bet belongs to the boss, therefore the boss will get the money won from the betting.

If the apprentice dies during the apprentiship period, the boss would be held responsible. This is why whatever the apprentice achieves under the boss is accredited to the boss.

So, if you are an apprentice and you play bet or anything for yourself, keep it as a secret. Your boss owns you when you are under him. So, use your brain.

It's really distasteful when you people do this thing of commenting on what you have no knowledge of. Which Court of Law will make such a ruling?

First of all, is nwa boy a mode of employment known to law? just look at the arguments you are making. Is it possible under Nigerian about law o employ someone and not pay them?

If I had my way you won't eat anything for the next 48 hours make hungry wire you small.

JohnPortar:
For those who are always too quick to call Nigeria and Africa in general dumb, read this.


https://news.yahoo.com/china-opened-overseas-police-stations-154545452.html


Europe is home to most of the police stations, with locations spread across the continent in places such as London, Amsterdam, Prague, Budapest, Athens, Paris, Madrid and Frankfurt. North America is also home to four of the stations, with three locations in Toronto and one in New York City. In all, there are 54 such stations in 30 different countries.

Read that report and tell me what reason they have for labelling them police stations. Do they perform any of the functions of the police??

herkeem:
That's very likely.....

Nope. Wike has already said it clearly, he does not support Muslim - Muslim ticket.

What Wike is doing is being strategically selectively. By 2023 you may come to realise that its not about aligning with parties but with powerful individuals.

sleekybaba:
Is eye paining you? Can't you read clearly in the judgement that he can be arrested again upon new evidence which i strongly believe the government and prosecutor has already prepared. You don't know these people at all. You think they will let him go? Dream on.

The judgment says no such thing. The issue is that the power of the Court to hear this case has been impeached by the illegality used in bringing him before the Court. As the Court will not participate in illegality, or cause the fruit thereof to prosper, it cannot, and will not try Kanu until Kanu is returned to kenya of his own volition, or released and given sufficient opportunity to do so, and then properly renditoned to Nigeria.

hegelian:
Alright isr.. but how do you justify china opening police station in nigeria??

There is no such Chinese police station anywhere in Nigeria.

Where exactly is the police station?

One of the ills brought about by the internet is this desire to publish all sorts of news for clicks instead carrying out simple and proper investigations.

Johnnyessence:
keep on deceiving yourself and your structureless Labour Party. Atiku Abubakar will win all the states in south south, Atiku Abubakar will win 5 states out of 6 states in the south west region of Nigeria. Go to town and ask who they will votes. The handwriting of Atiku Abubakar victories in the poll is on the wall. The electorates have rejected APC Muslim-Muslim ticket and the clueless Tinubu that never speak well of Yoruba unity. Tinubu is all about his interests.

My south south or another one?

Lol!

Good luck.

Johnnyessence:
where? Tell me where the incoming Nigeria President will lose. Starting from Osun State where Tinubu hailed from, Atiku Abubakar wins not to talk of oyo, Ogun, ondo and Ekiti State . We are working tirelessly for Atiku Abubakar victories in the poll. Our pvcs is our weapon. We decide who we want in the government. To hell with Wike and his empty chest beater cronies.

You and I know for sure that Atiku can't win anywhere in the South. It's not possible. How? Where?

As of today, the South East and South South are for Obi, with South West for Tinubu. Any remnant of South West that does not go to Tinubu will go straight to Obi.

Obi will still take half of NC and Tinubu will take half of the remaining.

The events of last weekend were critical. I doubt you will find a single southerner willing to vote for Atiku today, with what he said over the weekend. I sincerely doubt it. Meanwhile, those in the north are beginning to open up to PO, and with his recent meeting with Gumi, he has positioned himself as the unifier in practice and not the one who claims to be a unifier in words alone.

So what is the hope for Atiku?

Kwankwanso will not let him drink water and drop cup in Kano, el Rufai is pressing his neck in Kaduna, and Buhari has no choice but to deliver katsina for his party.

Face reality. All this online ranting cannot change things for you.

Johnnyessence:
Whenever Wike is ranting, show him this picture. Wike is a clueless loser and clueless wailer. Atiku really deal with him no be small.

HE Waziri Aminu Tambuwal is not only the hero of our convention, he’s the hero of our democracy. He saved Nigeria �� from shame.

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But if Atiku loses, which seems highly likely now, won't the joke finally be on you all?

Huh?

Kasssandra:
Let's remind you of your comment.



You brought it in.

The thing is, I am annoyed that some people forget about the corruption and misrule of GEJ because he was a Southerner. Thanks to that, we have gotten 8 years of rule of APC and Buhari....8 nice years (lol) not. 8 years of the same misrule...because these people could not run our country well.

Yes, SLS has his skeletons, but the discrepancies were swept under the carpet.

Me, bad government is bad government. I am still waiting for an explanation of the discrepancies under GEJ, just as I am waiting for explanations for the mess of the last 7 years.

Ultimately the reason why we had the discrepancies is because of things called subsidy, which your GEJ did not courageously remove, and which still continues today under APC. Yet we still keep the subsidy, because....

I really don't know where you're coming from with this.

I never said anything that could be construed as saying GEJ was better than Buhari. Even though that might prove to be the truth, that angle of comparison is irrelevant to my argument, which is/was solely that Sanusi threw GEJ under the bus for partisan reasons.

That is not a defence of GEJ either!

Kasssandra:
There were some discrepancies...and you guys know it. But because politics means that you must support your side, even if there is evidence of corruption, you people still supported GEJ.

There were a lot of reasons why GEJ lost. Boko was running riot in the North.Bomb blasts, kidnapping and so on (and you GEJ supporters were blaming Buhari and his northerners for the mess, not the incompetence of your leaders then ). Most people were not benefitting from the oil boom, and we were losing billions from oil theft. The oil crash of 2014...not his fault...meant that by 2015 Jan we were borrowing to pay salaries...plus our forex reserves were drained to 32 billion from 60 billion dollars.

So, most people voted for Buhari. They were wrong. At the end they were voting for a Buhari that was well past his sell by date. And yes, I did not even consider APC then. But let's not pretend that things were OK...or that Sanusi's allegation was the only reason why GEJ was voted out.

The sad thing is, Buhari came in and made a bad situation worse. (Yes, oil was low for most of his rule...but there were things he could have done that he did not do).

I was not a GEJ supporter at the time. Till today my friend likes to remind me of that. So you, see, I have no idea who the "you people" you are referring to is.

The subject of today is Sanusi and his pretences. Did he or did he not fabricate a report which was audited and found to be entirely without evidence, right on the verge of elections?

He was handsomely rewarded for this. By the way, that is only the surface of Sanusi's past. He is yet to be held accountable for his role in the murder of Gideon Akaluka. Or if he would deny this story, can he come out and explain why he was taken into Sanni Abacha's dungeons for 2 years, which he at least admits?

The man is guilty of the same partisan politics he condemns today.

I don't know how GEJ vs Buhari entered the discussion.

Acedude:
“Sanusi further urged states to free themselves from excessive reliance on the federal government”

This is one of the major cardinal point of Atiku’s policy thrust when he talked about devolution of powers to the states, it’s because of these singular reason I am voting for him in 2023. He’s the only presidential candidate who has seen this and has consistently advocated for it. I don’t care if he’s from the north and not from the south as some are advocating for. Once we have this in place, Nigeria will be begin to take shape gradually.

Atiku cannot be trusted to do as he says.

Sanusi lost his job because in the run up to the 2015 elections he fabricated a report of a missing $1bn in order to throw Jonathan under the bus.

It's amazing how little people remember.

Jennylove21:
She's really a Borden
She's married,she has a family,she shouldn't rely on her younger ones

Burden please.

AllTheWayUp:
Okowa you are performing well.
Obaseki great job
Delta and Edo State (BENDEL) representing well

I have always believed Bendel as a nation is the most viable divisible unit of current Nigeria. We have everything it takes to succeed.

Edo is really the quiet giant of Nigeria.

owobokiri:
Obviously a slip of tongue.
Most probably was talking about Ebubeagu. But trust Tinupoo reptiles to make a mountain out of a molehill.
For some of you agbadorian generational cowards, IPOB-ESN is such a monstrous king Kong gulping pregnant women and beheading unborn foetuses, ,but for most people from the East, the problem is not necessarily IPOB, because IPOB is nothing but a reactionary force that arose as a result of the janja-weed rulership of the Evil APC!

The problems are the marginalization, the favoritism and nepotism that caused these series of insurgencies. There will be no ESN without buharis atrocious leadership! So when folks moan about ESN while defending Buhari and the epileptic emilokan, they only end up sounding like broken gongs.

He was asked to condemn ESN. That was not a slip of the tongue.

Malocity:
How many states in the South did Buhari win to be Nigerian President?

Don't be advertising dullness everywhere.

Are the conditions the same now, as then?

Felimax:
Your short clown of a governor!
That tout! With your smelling Matt!

Ehen?

It's not too late. Try this site:

https://www.mentalhelp.net/

sleek214:
. Atiku will win al 6 SS states and maybe 3 of SE states.

ok.

charzyh2:
Which part of the law says you can roam the streets when the FG declared curfew?

Let's not be dishonest.

You can clearly see where I mentioned El Rufai's detention for 48 hours, which clearly exceeds any curfew.

You can clearly see where Obi himself stated the reason for the detention, which has nothing to do with a curfew.

So address the issues with sincerity.

BluntCrazeMan:
Go back and read your Election Guidelines very well..
Pay more attention to “Election Day”...
Then come back and delete this trash..

Please go and sit down if you have nothing to say.

Felimax:
Wike go and die!

Not all of us are fools like you guys.
What Atiku said is the utmost truth and no matter how you twist it the truth must prevail.

@ this moment of our dear nation we need a good, experienced and like Obi said ATIKULATE leader hence we are not voting Atiku because he is Hausa, Fulani, Yoruba or Igbo.

Wike thinks so much of himself and when I told him he will be humbled he never believed.

Even in your dreams, where you wan see Nyesom Wike to tell him anything? Gerrout of here my boy.

Thinkam:
Wike should first apologize to the PDP, for the incessant tantrums he has been throwing.

And moreover Atiku was not wrong, in 2015 APC said the same message to northerners, so what is wrong with Atiku repeating same message.

After all Tinubu is singing the same song in the west.

Let everyone vote their own


Atiku is coming

That was an own goal. Sorry.

Atiku will not win a single state in the south with this. I can guarantee you now.

I have a nominal respect for Atiku but I can now see that another 4 - 8 years of Atiku will be another 4 - 8 years of northerners riding roughshod over the rest of us.

Too bad he had to play undermine his own unifier message by playing the ethnic card.

charzyh2:
There was curfew but Elrufai kept parading the city with his escorts constituting nuisance. In fact, Jonathan was the one who ordered the DSS. Anyone can't be anywhere at anytime when there's curfew. Obey the law.

El Rufai said he was under a 48 hr detention. Was there a 48-hour curfew sir?

Besides, these are Obi's own words:

“I am aware that during the said election he referred to, security agents merely restricted his movement because he has no business being in Anambra as I would not have any being in Kaduna on an election day.”

So I am still wondering which part of the Laws of Nigeria Mr. Obi was relying on when asserting that a fellow Nigerian has no business being in his state on election day.