₦airaland Forum

madridsta007:
Currently Boko Haram and ISWAP control swathes of territories in the North East and the border towns with Lake Chad. They may not be having flags there as before, however they visit there at will. The Nigerian Army has been pushed back from those towns and the local populace have either fled or simply pay tax to these insurgent groups. This sounds like failure to me.

Currently in the North West, the Nigerian Army is battling bandits groups in Sokoko, Zamfara, Jigawa, Kaduna and Katsina. These groups kill, maim and kidnap at will. This has continued till today, despite the Army waging a so-called war in these areas. Again, this is failure to me.

While Kenya and Egypt has its own similar problems, they are certainly not at the failure level of Nigeria and its Army. Hence the United States warning for Kenya and Egypt is low in comparison to these areas in Nigeria where the department of state have advised that, "all but essential travels should be avoided." [https://ng.usembassy.gov/nigeria-travel-warning-2/]

It is simply a failure of intelligence and a failure of the Nigerian Army. Again, we should stop giving funny explanations to failure. It does not show accountability.

How did we get here? We are talking about African militaries and you are talking about accountability which is a political issue. The question of excuses does not even arise. I never even said that the Nigeria army has not failed in containing the threat...where did that issue even arise?

I showed you the local factors that make the Nigerian situation similar to the situations faced by western forces in the middle east as a reply to your comment that the situations are different. What does accountability have to do with this?

Egypt and Kenya are not facing the same entity. Kenya is facing al shabab which is not even based on Kenay but Somalia whereas boko haram is spread out over a huge geographical area with a steady source of recruits.

the threats Egypt faces are also not as intense and that makes it even more telling, that they have not been able to quell them.

Yujin:
Lol. Caliber of armoured personnel carrier you manufacture is those used against militia groups and not for a national army. Are you serious with those questions you asked? Any country that can't manufacture bullets are not fit to protect her territorial integrity. Do you know SA manufacture guided missiles? You better wake up from slumber. Nigeria is still far back in the 1930s according to military standards. No Submarine with your vast shorelines? Mr man you're dreaming.

You should have just answered my question to the best of your ability instead of forcing yourself down the same tangent you are on. It was a simple question and let me illustrate the answer.

We start with economics. There are very few countries in the world that produce all their weapons for themselves. It doesn't make economic sense. You instead follow the principle of comparative advantage and you produce only where necessary, and you buy the rest where necessary.

Israel gets the majority of its weapons from the USA till today. France and UK too buy from the USA. So does Nigeria.

So my question as to the relevance of producing your bullets is rephrased this way: If you make your own weapons over there in South Africa, and I buy my own from USA, who then has the better weapons? Is manufacturing capability then a factor in quality of weapons at ones disposal? Reason it for yourself.

madridsta007:
The military hasn’t been able to quell the terrorists attacks by Boko Haram, ISWAP and the Herdsmen because they are lacking intelligence capabilities— asides their multitude of other problems. Without proper intelligence, a military force is simply a civilian-like riot group with arms.

Conventional armies are ill-equipped and lack the capacity to defeat terror when these conventional army operate on foreign soil. It’s simple. When foreign armies fight terror in foreign groups, they loose as the locals— where the terror groups gain support— see them as colonialist invaders. For example, the US Army in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Nigerian case is quite similar to terror attacks in the West. The British do not need to deploy the Royal Marines or Navy; they use the MI5 in intelligence. The Nigerian Army has no viable intelligence unit. Hence the intractable “war” which they’ve effectively lost. The failure of intelligence is the failure of the Army. I don’t know why we want to sugarcoat things.


Unless for reasons of delusional patriotism, they should never be put as Top 10 fighting force in Africa.

@ bolded, vastly different. but i'll come back to that.

My first question, since this is a comparison of African countries, which country in Africa has every successfully outfought an insurgent group? Don't forget there are over 30 such groups in operation all over Africa. Has Egypt defeated their own? Kenya? Answer this question too.

Back to comparing the Nigerian situation with the Western situation. There is a vast difference.

1. The Nigerian army when it operates in the North is considered an invasive force. Local communities are cooperating with the insurgents. That's the fact. The Nigerian army operates in the north under the same condition coalition forces operated in in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.
2. Boko haram has a large physical presence within Nigeria (again, because it does have local support), compounded by porous borders with difficult neighbors. Do the westerners have to deal with that?
3. Nigeria has a difficult geographical problem given its proximity to Libya and Mali through which arms and fighters flow into Nigeria.

HarryDuce:
Thanks for the correction, but, Africa's militaries are still nothing to write about. Despite the changes in the SA military, compared with the rest, they still perform albeit below expectations.

Really? By what metrics of performance?

madridsta007:
LOL.
Military that can not fight and win a rag-tag Boko Haram terror group for 10 years should not make the list if the most powerful 50 armies in Africa.
Nigeria. We just like to deceive ourselves.

Let me ask you this. In the post colonial period, is there any army in Africa that has ever fought and successfully defeated a rag tag group of fighters like you put it?

While you search for answers let me then ask, is there any army in modern history that has ever successfully defeated such a group?

Do you think there is a reason for that?

Yujin:
Not exactly true. Some did leave others remained. Do you know SA manufacture fighter aircrafts? Ordinary bullets Nigeria don't even manufacture. Lol

I didn't say they all left.

What does manufacturing aircraft have to do with having a strong military?

Nigeria may not make our own bullets but we make our own armored personnel carriers and even some water vessels, so what's your point?

HarryDuce:
This is your personal emotional rant. Emotions and facts should not mix. South African troops and military equipment have aided in the fight against boko haram; they were/have been efficient by the way.

Although not recently, the South African military has been involved in several African countries including Angola, Namibia and so forth. That counts as experience in my book.

Not a single South African soldier played a role in the fight against boko haram. Those were mercenaries and they have little to do with the current South African army.

Secondly the South African army drastically changed after apartheid. The whites who were well trained and highly respected largely left to become mercenaries.

wingmanII:
Losing wars you mean. The Egyptian army is useless, you need to see how IDF toyed with them until Egypt begged and signed a peace treaty.
The only army I might respect in Africa would be Ethiopia and South Africa.

You respect the South African military for what exactly? Which wars have they been successfully involved in? What is the basis of that respect?

A South African military that is ridiculed at home?

Ever since the fall of apartheid and the disbanding of the pro apartheid special forces, the South African army has not been the same.

The truth is that if not for corruption, Nigeria's army is right up there next to Egypt. The sheer number of conflicts our military has directly participated in makes it the most experienced, added to the strength of our alliances and economic power, we really should be second to none.

But nepotism will not allow them recruit from the most diverse pool, while corruption will not allow them equip the boys.

Gandollar:
I get the point you are making that even if I was right, it still doesn't mean you are wrong.

Yes, good luck to me in proving that flight details are leaked by internal informants , I was not there, not a soldier, neither one of the bandits

Having said that, I have relatives in the Army rank and file and it is through them we get to hear about some of these things which again are mere suspicions because I have not been told by them yet that there's been a court marshal of army personnels suspected to be informants to these evil people.

Their strong suspicions have been based on the manner by which supposedly classified info about strategies and countered brutally by the opposing forces in the field.

I lost an in-law very dear to me three years ago to BH around Kafanchan. They were conveying a large cache of arms to maiduguri from Lagos when out of nowhere, in the middle of no where, they were ambushed and finished off by BH, with a few soldiers surviving but with serious injuries.

Though you seem to be harping on bandits, but I classify them all as terrorists and the internet is awash with many instances of very deadly ambushes.

If the zamfara bandits have not recorded any successful ambush of soldiers yet, it is a matter of time judging from the tone of the bandit speaking with the emir.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

The reason i am specific in mentioning the bandits is because it's a different theatre of conflict entirely. Boko haram is a religious and socio-political entity that obviously will have sympathizers within the security forces. But banditry is an economic thing and it's much less likely that there will be sympathizers within the army.

In a wider context, i have no doubt that many of those who qualify as bandits may very possibly operate as boko haram and so called fulani herdsmen on another day.

Xisnin:
It doesn't matter whether he is a house husband or not.
Community ownership means the couple owns the wealth of the household together.
Everything except inheritance.
He will get half of it.

http://www.portner.co.uk/news/divorce-myth-busting-the-couple-s-assets-are-always-divided-50-50

Stay up to date.

I fail to see how these arguments are cogent or reflect any points of law.

I doubt he will get anything close to that. This is an amicable divorce and there is no claim of bad behavior on either side so the settlement won't be much. Plus it's not like the guy was a house husband either.

halfbloodprince:
You're a fool if you believe schools get involved in the personal issues of students, so much as to demand a fee for student abortions.

Think about it for a second. What happens to the school if the student dies during this $600 abortion? Are there no hospitals in Russia? And since when did students start reporting pregnancies to school authorities? But of course its nairaland so, I expect y'all to question nothing.

Why are you reading the story like this?

The girl is a minor remember? The school could have assumed some guardianship or perhaps they have a student welfare officer who goes above and beyond the call of duty. Think about it... Would the school prefer for the girl to die or suffer complications while they stand by with arms folded?

And then of course the 600 USD is for the operation to be performed in a hospital. Where else?

alabi484:
He's running for the USA already

When and where has he run for the USA?? Someone that ran for Nigeria at the Olympics just three years ago?

Ozkar:
This sounds nice, but those figures there didn't break any of Bolt's records for 100m or 200m.

He probably just beat Bolt's winning time in Rio. That in itself is impressive all the same.

People should also not forget that if Bolt had not slowed down to celebrate early the time would have been even shorter.

Gandollar:
Is this a cross-examination or what? I countered you with equal and opposite facts and you are still asking for articulation of what else

You really didn't counter me at because first of all you asserted I was wrong as a matter of fact but then you presented a hypothesis (not proven) which itself if proven could not disprove my assertion. That is to say that they bandits coukd have multiple sources of info, but in the context of a secret mission (if such exists), what I've suggested is a more probably source.

The first person I replied to stated that flight missions are usually secret so I was pointing out that there is another way that espionage usually works. I didn't say there is no incidence of internal espionage or sabotage either.

For you to say I'm wrong you must prove that flight details are leaked by internal informants. Good luck with that. What I've said are obvious facts that have been alluded to several times by military authorities IE that local communities are supporting these criminal elements.

Troops dont wear invisibility cloaks. As they move from their base towards where these bandits stay, the communities in between obviously are aware of their movement and the bandits know the local terrain very well. Contrary to what you seem to believe, the troops don't leave the base and arrive at the target immediately. Some of these raids may require hours for the forces to converge at the location, and this means once the bandits have an idea they are coming, they can prepare.

Speaking of ambushes however, has there been any report that soldiers where successfully ambushed by bandits?

Gandollar:
You are wrong. What about the ambushes of foot soldiers, is it the neighbouring community that gives information on time, day and route of the forces to the terrorists?

First off, articulate why I am wrong.

Naijaguy123:
Nigeria army over to you. Is this true ?
My opinion is the guy might be on codeine diet. Sending out an aircraft for aerial bombardment doesn’t involve a lot of personnel. It’s always a secret mission involving top order .

Not quite. What happens is that the moment an aircraft is seen taking off from the base, informants from the neighboring community may text or call the bandits to inform them and then they move.

That is a common mode of spying that usually happens when a foreign force is facing insurgents.

danhiels:
"into her weed"so she smokes weed? who says she won't start doing cocaine without anyone "sneaking it into her weed" na clap Dem take Dey enter dance

It is not a fact that everyone who smokes weed will progress to more serious drugs. The fact is that the boy introduced her to weed, and then got her on cocaine without her consent or knowledge.

sweetrace:
How is that possible? I thought weed was smoked like cigarettes while cocaine was sniffed into the nose or injected through a syringe. Unless I have been misinterpreting all these movies.

Well from what i understand, cocaine comes in different forms. The particular form of cocaine that can be smoked is what they call crack.

Realtord43:
Basic education n common sense should had let you knw that hard drug is bad. you made your choice, your boyfriend never force you..

If you didn't watch the video why are you commenting authoritatively??

The boy was sneaking cocaine into her weed without telling her

erifeoluwasimi:
There use to be a lecturer in chemistry department unilorin , he won't tell you set questions buy if you don't know the answer to his questions and you set yours he will mark it as far as it's within his course outline. Can't remember his mamn though. Don't even know if he's still in the school. 2008set

If he never told you guys to do this... How did you guys discover that he would do it?

It means one bold person just decided to write his or her own question one day like that?

Interesting!

GavelSlam:
They are the elite based on the 'hustle' of their parents.

Question now is, what is their hustle?

What are their expectations?

If they have a car and home already, I'm assuming they want more.

All well and good, but is that a realistic expectation?

If you have all these, then your only rightful complaint should be issues relating to insecurity.

Wherever else you find yourself you would hardly have more than a car and home.

I think you make quite a valid point, because according to the guy, all of them have successful businesses or careers. So what more does he demand from Nigeria?

At first I thought his points resonated but now it seems entitled and unrealistic.

Naughtysite:
Una don come again.

Just like pythons, black mamba can come in any colour, black, white, green, blue, grey..

But most are shinny grey or black.

Wrong.. A black mamba is a very specific breed, while there are other types of mambas like green mambas. But they are not the same, and what OP has there is a cobra

sod09:
This is black mamba

That is a cobra.

Xander85:
The way i see her, i think Wike will be the ‘soft touch’ for the kids, while his wife would be the strict one! They’d be going to Dad for something they want and know Mum would say no to!

I tend to think the same as the woman is a senior judge. Plus most men of rugged reputation are known to be soft with their kids.

duwdu:
I'll be surprised if the Judge handed down a sentence outside that prescribed by law or allowed per the Judge's discretion. There are many parts, sections, and aspects to the Criminal Code - some rather convoluted; so please be circumspect in what you claim and propagate as being applicable to a trial Court and in this particular case.

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I think i did highlight the possibility that the sentence may be connected with the other charges preferred against the man. Given the manner in which the report was written, however, readers have been somewhat directed to infer that the sentence was a consequence of the particular charge of criminal defamation, and the discussion on this thread has therefore centered around this issue.

Also, there is nothing so convoluted about the provisions of the Criminal Code that would make it incomprehensible, and certainly not in respect of the provisions concerning defamation. It's quite explicit.

mapet:
This is where some of you lot tries to be clever by half, yet only exposes your "incomplete education" and thinking. Did you read the details of the judgement?



Try comprehending the above and if you fail at that.....

You are the one exposing yourself. My first comment was in response to a fellow who claimed that 12 years was suitable for libel. I replied to him that 12 years was extreme for libel. You then jumped into the matter and specifically claimed that no 12 years was not extreme for libel, and that "we" should all be aware of the seriousness of libel. I then showed you the law and proved that libel is a minor offence. Now you want to change tack? In the course of this thread all your comments specifically addressed libel and not any of the other charges.

Do you suffer from memory loss?

okay the officer at all times fired at the ground, and the fact is the man was resisting arrest.

duwdu:
What length of jail term would you have recommended to the judge in this particular case, knowing that no two court cases are exactly the same?

And are you prepared to force your rep and senator to change relevant laws?

Just asking.

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The jail term handed out is not in line with the existing legal norms in the first place, unless it has more to do with the other charges than with libel. The criminal code already prescribes either 1 or 2 years. where law is stated in concreto, there is no room for judicial maneuvering.

mapet:
Nope. It is not.

We need to understand the grave consequences of libel

Of course it is. What does section 375 of the Criminal Code Act of Nigeria say?

Maximum sentence is 2 years

Enlighten yourself before commenting in the public sphere.

tactius:
So I can open a facebook page and make allegations that you are a thief and adulterer, and by your logic I can get away with it.

You did not read the article. Guy you are defending made an allegation on facebook against a government official. Asked to prove his case, he had zero evidence.

Of course, he got into trouble for libel

12 years is extreme for libel.