₦airaland Forum

clarocuzioo:
Please kindly point out the section and phrase clearly for us in the Armed Forces Act that justifies this show of shame.

I've already done that.

Section 8(1) and (3) basically provides, without any qualification whatsoever, the power to deploy the Armed Forces to maintain public safety and order is entirely at the discretion of the President.

plaetton:
This is just plain ol sophistry on your part.

In the United States, I remind you , all militias and most seperatists are fully armed , fully aggressive about their agendas, and do not subscribe to political correctness . In other words, they publicly canvass online and offline, civil disobedience, a open call to arms against the united states government.
The Us government keeps tabs on them, infiltrate them to gather criminal evidence against their leadership, with a view to criminal indictment once in while, carefully cognisant of the sacred protection that all citizens enjoy under the umbrella of the constitution.

Nnamdi Kanu, on the other hand, has never committed a single act of terrorism, has never caused a single loss of life, yet he provokes so much fear in the government. Isn't that an indication that our so-called unity is contrived and maintained by fear and intimidation ?

You are discussing politics while i am discussing legality.

I have no issues with the quest for self-determination of the Igbo people.

clarocuzioo:
but subject to such conditions as may be prescribed by an Act of the National Assembly;"

Was the National Assembly involved in this show of shame, or was there an act to from the National Assembly as thats the only thing that can prove that this is not a hate action.

Try to first understand what is meant by an Act of the National Assembly!

An "Act" is different from an "act", and there is already an Act in place that deals with this: The Armed Forces Act of Nigeria.

plaetton:
Ha ha ha.
Wrong Wrong.

In the United States for example, there are 441 Active militias.
There are active separatist movements in 13 states of the US.

There are 939 hate groups in the US.

There are and have been separatist groups in Canada for most of her history.

There are separatist groups in the UK, France, Italy, Spain, Germany, Mexico, etc etc.

Pls upgrade your knowledge.

You are the one who needs to upgrade his understanding first of all.

Separatist groups are not the issue. Neither are hate groups nor are militias.

Us laws permit militias (even promote them in some interpretation). Freedom of association and freedom of speech laws mean you can express opinions and you can form organizations. None of these are the issue.

Sedition is the issue. Where there is incitement to undertake rebellion in the pursuit of an illegality.

Sedition does not mean you cannot go about seeking to separate, sedition simply means you are inciting people to go about it in an unlawful manner.

I really hope you get it now.

ensamy:
If your definition is right, then Buhari should have been behind bars for the inciting statements he made before and after he lost 2011 election that led to the brutal killings of innocent southerners in the north, thesame people he was to rule as President

i'm not here to show any support for Buhari so lets not get into that.

plaetton:
Thank you very much.

A reminder that sedition as a crime first appeared in the Elizabethan era, in the eras of absolute monarchy, where monarchs enjoyed the divine right over life and death, as obviously a means to maintain their monopoly of power and checkmate public dissent.

Now, in the modern era, sedition is a favorite tool amongst the world's most brutal tyrants and dictators.
We hardly ever hear the words sedition in a modern democratic state.

Sedition , by definition, if and when applied liberally today, would inevitably ensnare nearly all journalists, all opposition parties, all trade unions, all political activists, all environmental activists, most online commentators like you and I.

In fact, president Buhari himself, as well as El Rufai, Lai Mohammed, and many members of the APC who spoke against and organized strikes and civil disobedience against the former government of the PDP.
For good example, " A war against book haram is a war against the North", The speech about " soaking the blood of dogs and Baboons " , the one about " making Nigeria ungovernable " ( which inspired the murdering of NYSC youths ) could very well be construed as a seditious speech if the last administration was desperate for scapegoating .

Are you getting my drift ?.
Only desperate tyrants invoke the "sedition" bogey to silence opposition.

In a democracy, every single individual is entitled to free speech, that includes angry speech at the incompetence , excesses or injustice of the current government or system.

In fact, Nigerians have been soooo docile and cowed for sooooo long, that we have even forgotten that it is our CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY to express anger, if and when necessary at the government, and agitate for a change.

Nnamdi Kanu appears strange to most of you, simply because you don't even know that what he is doing can be done.

Sedition must contain the necessary element of incitement towards an unlawful action. The instances you quote do not meet the threshold.

Whether or not Nigeria's sedition laws are in keeping with the times is really not the issue at the moment. Secondly, no state democratic or otherwise would allow a person to canvass for the virtual dissolution of that state. Nowhere, anywhere is this allowed!

Expressing anger and asking people to engage in actions targeted towards the achievement of unlawful goals are entirely different things.

plaetton:
Kindly define sedition for us.

Simple definition:

incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority

- Merriam Webster Dictionary

Legal definition (according to Section 50 of the Criminal Code Act of Nigeria):

NB: Take note of the bolded.

(2) A "seditious intention" is an intention-
(a) to bring into hatred or contempt or excite disaffection against the person of the President or
of the Governor of a State or the Government of the Federation; or
(b) to excite the citizens or other inhabitants of Nigeria to attempt to procure the alteration,
otherwise than by lawful means, of any other matter in Nigeria as by law established; or
(c) to raise discontent or disaffection amongst the citizens or other inhabitants of Nigeria;

plaetton:
Mo.r.ons,
What happened to democracy and the rule of law ?
What happened to the Nigerian constitution ?
What happened to freedom of speech or expression, and freedom of association ?
Yet, when people call Nigeria a Zoo or even worse, you feel insulted.

Kindly tell us what crime or crimes Nnamdi Kanu committed.
When, and in which other nation in the world is it a crime to be angry at the government or the system , or to speak angry words at those who rule, or against injustice and marginalization ?

What generation do we have in Nigeria where angry agitation against the government or system , an erstwhile very positive civic responsibility, is now scorned upon by the very people whose lives are most likely to be positively affected by the positive outcome of the struggle ?

Ask people in any advanced democratic nation.
The government must always fear the wrath of the people they people that they govern.

Sedition is a serious offence everywhere in the world.

unohbethel:
@smartypants
i said it, ur a comfam fool..the only tin t know is quotin the constitution upandan wit out


now let me educate u

“By virtue of section 215 (3) of the Constitution the Nigeria Police Force has been conferred with the exclusive power to maintain law and order and secure public safety and public order in the country.


so u mean the constitution contradicts itself?
this part of the constitution shows that yes the president can deploy the military anywhere he deemed fit but for the army to come into a crisis, it must av overwelmed the police..

and as u quoted, the army can be deployed to restore public order and peace, pray tell me wen did u hear of any public disorder in east that wud warrant the army been deployed? also has d police attended to the disorder to the point of calling the military?

pls tell me how many people was killed before the army came to south east and how many has died since they came?


its u guys that is standing reasons on its head..
kiss the truth.

I dunno why you want to be stubborn. But i'm here for you ok?

Now, can you show me any place in the laws of Nigeria where the bolded exists as a requirement except in your own imagination?

boostdom:
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Crap.

In a democracy, all instrument of the state, including the military, are all subservient to parliamentary laws (Senate).

In a democracy, the constitution supersedes all instrument of state.

Why are you confusing yourself?

The constitution says the army may perform civil duties, and that this may be subject to an Act of parliament.

An Act of parliament has been established, reiterating the same thing.

You are here confusing yourself over constitutional supremacy whereas the constitution was never contradicted by an Act established by constitutional fiat in the first place.

lol. gerrarrahia mehn...you are lost

veekid:
How was he tracked down?

They were given a tip off.

READ!!

boostdom:
You dropped this

Because it is not relevant.

Subject to any Act means that in the absence of such an Act, the provision stands as is stated in the Constitution.

However, i have shown in my post before this one, that the Armed Forces Act does address the issue, and it provides even more legal room for the army to perform civil roles.

See: Section 8(1) and (3) of the Armed Forces Act of Nigeria

unohbethel:
fool!
didnt u see that it mustbe passed by d NA?so wen did d NA pass d act

You are an illiterate. The right to use the army is established by the constitution. It is the limits to the use of the army, in this section, that have to be established by a further act of the National Assembly.

This is education you should receive in a classroom but i'll give you for free.

Furthermore,

Refer to Section 8(1) of the Armed Forces Act (which is such an Act as is is referenced in the Section 217(2)(C) of the cons.)

(1) The President shall determine the operational use of the Armed Forces

Interpretation is then provided in sub-section 3 as follows:

(3) In this section, "operational use of the Armed Forces" includes the operational use
of the Armed Forces in Nigeria for the purpose of maintaining and securing public safety and
public order

The impact of these legal instruments, my dear boy, is that the Armed Forces may perform the role of Civil authorities such as the police, and the only requirement is that the President should authorize such.

I hope you are capable of understanding?

I am dissapointed that a legal sage like Mr. Falana could err so gravely in the interpretation of the constitution.

He said in loose paraphrasing "The Nigerian Police Force has been granted exclusive responsibility to maintain law and order in Nigeria"

This is patently false since sec 217(2)(c) of the Cons. states:

"(2) The Federation shall, subject to an Act of the National Assembly made in that behalf, equip and maintain the armed forces as may be considered adequate and effective for the purpose of -


(c) suppressing insurrection and acting in aid of civil authorities to restore order when called upon to do so by the President, but subject to such conditions as may be prescribed by an Act of the National Assembly;"

This implies that the army may at any time, effect an arrest, or otherwise mimic the functions of the police when called upon to do so by the president.

Themandator:
Search warrant can be printed in any business centre ... The most appropriate way to be sure you are not dealing with criminals is for them to stand down while a check is carried out with their superior ... You can't be armed and expect the others to loose guard and be calling your commissioner.


Where are other members of the team is it just the two of them that went to search somebody's home?

Wrong again. The monitoring team had no right to ask them to stand down. Once there is a warrant the most they should have done was standby to monitor the process.

Once you are shown what appears to be a valid warrant in possession of clearly identified officers of the law, your only available move is to step aside!

Any checks can be made after. Besides the story shows that they refused to call the commissioner which means they were not interested in genuine confirmation.

Dunno what you are trying to defend here. A clear illegality has occurred.

Themandator:
It doesn't matter ...Stand down means stand down ....The IG team is superior to that of the commissioner. Even the commissioner cannot just call the IG in this matter because by the intransigence of his team they have proved to be disloyal to constituted authority

Wrong. The highest authority in this case is the search warrant handed down by A COURT OF LAW. No igp's monitoring team nor the igp himself can issue an order superior to that one.

FreddyKruger:
When U enter the police force with FSL Certificate then u probably end up like this or worse.
Cuz if the useless police officers were properly educated, a simple call to the Commisioner of Police or ACP would prevent this disaster.

Dunno why you guys don't want to read between the lines.

The suspect called a member of the igp's monitoring team who rushed to intervene despite the fact that the Sars guys had a warrant.

What does this tell you?

Clearly the suspect is politically connected and used that to evade search/arrest. The monitoring team guys have a serious case to answer... We need to know why a suspect is on personal terms with the igp's monitoring team.

Welcomme:
The nigga is positive..

It just crossed my mind to follow up on this story shortly before you updated me

How sad.

In theory there are very few jobs where true economic skills are needed, and these are mostly in government, International Organizations. Economics graduates can fit in a number of jobs but then whats the point of studying something for four years only so that you can fit in in an alternate area?

Accounting not only has a lot more job openings, it also gives you much more leverage for self-employment. You can set up your own firm or work as a consultant. Most economists would die of hunger if they tried this.

nwaire:
Nice, but how much will get to the players

The money is not meant for the players. It is meant for the club, which may then give them bonuses as may be in their discretion (except where stipulated otherwise in their contract).

ireneony:
You are talking about hiv ....there are other stds that are more deadly like hepatitis B . I will addvice u to do all stds check up.

According to hiv research in Nigeria prostitute and homosexual men increase the outbreak of hiv in Nigeria.

it does not matter if you always use condoms....one break from condom can transmit the virus.
The reason why hiv is high in africa is because people don't know their status. And the viral load is high because and they don't take Anti retrovirus drugs and the disease can easily spread to a non hiv positive person.

From your symptoms...
you have heavy sweating in the night...hmmm that is one of the symptoms of hiv.
well I'm not a doctor u better go for check up

Heavy sweating at night is a symptom of tuberculosis not HIV though TB is symptomatic of AIDs. However this would only manifest itself when HIV has matured to AIDS I believe.

I'm all liklihood, OP is experiencing medical student syndrome, where he has read or heard of these symptoms and his mind is dwelling on them out of fear.

OP just do a test.

UncleRichy:
so Pastor Adeboye was right after all...

Dunno whether he was right or wrong but this particular std is not new.

Opinionated:
Africa is the world’s second-largest and second-most populous continent. It is second to none in terms of wildlife, wild lands and rich cultural traditions. Jumia Travel, the leading online travel agency, shares 5 thought-provoking facts about Africa.

It Has a Large Percentage of the World’s Elephant

Africa is believed to have over 85% of the world’s elephant population. It is also believed to have over 99% of the remaining lions in the world. In other words, over 99% of the remaining lions are on the African continent.

Suggestions that the Ancestors of Human Beings Originated From Africa

Charles Darwin was the first scientist to suggest that the ancestors of human beings may have originated from Africa. But racism and the prejudicial attitude of many people in the Western world to Africa, made many people in the West highly resistant to such suggestions until very well into the twentieth century.

Lake Malawi is Believed to Have More Fish Species Than Any Other Freshwater System on Earth

Lake Malawi is located between Malawi, Mozambique and Tanzania. It’s the ninth largest lake in the world, and the third largest and second deepest lake in Africa. It’s a meromictic lake (that is, it’s water layers do not mix), and its waters are rich in fish. The lake is believed to have more fish species than any other freshwater system on earth, however the wild population of fish in the lake is increasingly threatened by overfishing and water pollution.

Africa is Home to the Only Nation in the World to Voluntarily Abandon Its Nuclear Weapon Program

South Africa is the only country in the world to voluntarily abandon its nuclear weapon program. The reason the then president of South Africa, F.W. de Klerk, gave for dismantling the nation’s nuclear weapons was that he saw no value of nuclear weapons in fighting wars, and the prospect of using them against neighbouring countries was too appalling for him to consider.

Africa is a Continent of Extremes

Africa is considered a continent of extremes. It is a continent that’s very rich in mineral and agricultural wealth, but at the same time considered the world’s poorest continent, with many of its people suffering poverty and sicknesses. The continent is also extremely large, as well as extremely dry, with an extremely young population, so young that over half of the continent is under the age of 25.

Source: http://www.opinions.ng/5-thought-provoking-facts-africa/

He didn't want nuclear weapons to fall into black hands. Especially, not while neighboring countries like the then Rhodesia were still white ruled.

alex81:
u can share ur idea here. am sure there are lota premium members in this thread.



https://www.nairaland.com/178041/nairaland-official-chess-thread

thanks mate

Hello guys...had no idea there was an official chess thread here....


Would love to play against some nairalanders, and i'm thinking we should organize a tournament online.

Who's up for it?

alex81:
exactly! create a private tournament online. all players must be on chessdotcom.

I have looked into it...it requires premium membership.

I'll see if i can get that and then ill open up a thread and tag you and others in it. Conversely, if you or others can sign up for premium membership, that person could just take the lead on this

alex81:
yes very possible

I'm very very interested in this...
Would we create a private tournament on a site like chess.com or something?

Wonder if its possible to have a nairaland chess contest?

Its just a shortened way to say "sorry to bother you"

This is not shyness...she clearly does not love that man.

24sqm:
And who says guys don't? We do because when a girl leaves, that's final cos she will never look back.



This reminds me of someone

Speak for yourself Mr. Even when a friend died and I really wanted to shed a tear...it just wouldn't come. Talkless of crying over a girl.

Na not me.

lonelydora:
This is how bribery started in Nigeria. Paying money to someone to do his job. Why the $10000? Is their job not to score goals? Don't they receive salary? This will make them to always demand for stipends whenever they play game.

Go to Ministries, you pay people to take your file to the next person, which is their job. Ohh! I remember we are in the zoo.

Playing for the national team is not a job. They are not being paid amy salary hope you know?