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Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 9:44am On Nov 10, 2017

Maamin:
Crap...

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 5:23pm On Nov 09, 2017

Emusan:
You see where the problem lies now. You like Muhammad only after words and not the meaning which has given rise to many misunderstanding and misconception of spiritual words used in the Bible.

i don't get this

Emusan:
Injil according to ALL Islamic scholars means GOSPEL and Gospel simply means GOOD NEWS or GLAD TIDING!

So what is the ACTUAL good news given to your Isa by Allah?

yes Injil was translated to Gospel as the bible said in mark 1:14, Luke 20:1 One day, as he was teaching the people in the temple and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes with the elders came up

this is the book given to Jesus and inside this book contained laws, guidance, good news or glide tidings etc but the gospel is not translated to good news (not the second meaning) but the bible writer misplaces the gospel with good news. gospel is gospel and injil is injil but inside it, it contain including good news etc

Emusan:
I don't want us to derail this thread with this, you can open a new thread about this and invite me if you mind.

sure.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 1:15pm On Nov 09, 2017*

true2god:
Read your post concerning Quran 9:29 as given below:

the second was an instruction to fight those who fight them back as Allah has advised the prophet not to do so until He gives order and later this instruction came, this does not means now you can force people to Islam, tole another path pls.'

So my point is this, Qur'an 9:29 never asked Muslims to fight who fought them but to fight people based on their beliefs and force them to Islam. Christians and Jews are however exempted as long as they pay the jizya and feel humiliated. See hadith below:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" sahih bukhari 4:52:196.

This is only to burst your lies on Quran 9:29.

let me take you to school first, do you know for how many years the nonbelievers of mecca and their friends has been killing Muslim and Allah has severally told Muhammad that he should not fight them yet and be patience, but for year, these Kafiruns stop not from the killing, force to exile the Muslim with all the properties confiscated by the Kafirruns and the Muhammad has no alternative than to defend themselves against the oppressors, now comes the revelation of the Suratul Taobah, permitting the Muslims to now fight for their lives in defense.

then among these people are people who surrender or forced to and then there territory now fall under the rule of Islam, for good gesture of the Prophet Muhammad no one will fight or kill these people again and all their property and territory are save guards against internal and external attack and in return tax need to be collected by Muslims to maintain law and order of these state. read the whole surah if you need to lean more.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 12:32pm On Nov 09, 2017

Emusan:
I give up on you immediately I see you comparing two BIBLE VERSIONS/TRANSLATIONS as various Bible.

It's like saying Yusuf Ali's Version or Dawood's version are different types of Qur'an.

This is the same mistake Muhammad made when he thought, Zabul(Psalms) was written by David or Jesus is one who wrote Gospel.

I see you stylishly avoided my first question, which is: what is the ACTUAL good news that Allah gave your Isa?

Injil was sent to Isa and not news.
different translation you said? no i mean different bible, the bible of Catholic has about 7 more books than others, then RSV said because of great defect the KJV has made for the call by the 50 different denomination to revise the bible after that another revise standard came out, then among many are book of Momoh, Queen Jams version, satanic version etc

now my questioned is son and servant are they the same or nearest in meaning ? Act 3:13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.(KJV)

read same Act 3:13 from RSV The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant[a] Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 11:55am On Nov 09, 2017

true2god:
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. (Quran 9:29).

The instruction above is very clear, except you are a Muslim. See the hadith below that further show more light on this.

Narrated Anas ibn Malik ; Uthman ibn AbuSulayman: The Prophet (peace be upon him) sent Khalid ibn al-Walid to Ukaydir of Dumah. He was seized and they brought him to him (i.e. the Prophet). He spared his life and made peace with him on condition that he should pay jizyah (poll-tax).
Sunan Abu Dawud 19:3031

On the above, your prophet abducted someone and only spared him life if he agreed to pay the Islamic extortion money called the jizya.

He who holds fast to his religion, Judaism or Christianity, is not to be tempted from it. It is incumbent on them to pay the jizyah protection tax. For every adult, male or female, free or slave, one full denarius, or its value in al-ma'afir [fine cloth]. He who pays that to the Messenger has the protection of Allah and His Messenger, and he who holds back from it is the enemy of Allah and His Messenger.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 9, p. 75

In the above, Mohammed asked Muslims not to attack the Jews and the Christians as long as they pay the jizya.

Allah said, (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, (with willing submission), in defeat and subservience, (and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said, "Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley." This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace.(
Tafsir Ibn Kathir)

Even the tasfir of Ibn kathir, the most authoritative tasfir in islam, specified how Muslims should treat the Christians and Jews in an Islamic state. There is nowhere it said Muslims were under threat.

Islam is a religion of oppressors and naturally born tyrants.

so what your point?

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 10:29am On Nov 09, 2017

true2god:
Abrogated surah:
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.(Quran 2:256). This surah was revealed in Mecca when Mohammed was weak and oppressed.

Latest/newest surah:
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. (Quran 9:29). This surah was revealed in Medina when Mohammed had become powerful and commanded a large army. He also became a tyrant and a dictator in Medina. Thanks be to allahh, the all-knowing and all-wise. allahhuu ragbarr!

cant you talk without insult?
now these verses you quoted are instruction given at a particular time as the situation warranted, the first one said no computation in religion and this still stand till today and never any verse abrogated this verse and the second was an instruction to fight those who fight them back as Allah has advised the prophet not to do so until He gives order and later this instruction came, this does not means now you can force people to Islam, tole another path pls.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 10:14am On Nov 09, 2017

Emusan:
So the other books are edited before they were sent right

Besides, you haven't answered the question @OP raised, how was the Gospel (The good new) was GIVEN to Isa?

The point here is HOW

other books were edited after the departure of the prophet entrusted with this books, like bible you can clearly see the hand of human in it, in this we have revise, revise standard and revise of the revises and today we have over 50 different types of bible which each one is either slightly or wholly deffer from another and that gives rooms for contradiction and error of manipulation.

the question was answered go back and read my first comment on this topic.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 5:10pm On Nov 08, 2017

true2god:
So you are saying that there are some so-called revelations from allahh that are no longer in the Quran? That's good. So where are the earlier revelations that are no longer in the Quran? Do you mean they are lost forever, like a corrupt file on a computer system that is lost and irrecoverable? If you can open your mind, you will learn that both the abrogated surah and the replaced surah are all in your Quran.

Concerning the scribes that helped Mohammed write his Quran, some of them write things completely different from what Mohammed dictated. One of the sahabas that deceived Mohammed, when writing down his so-called revelation, is Abdullah ibn Sa'ad ibn Abi Saar. He is the foster brother of Uthman ibn Affan, the 3rd rightly guided khalifah. You can read Sirah rasul allahh by ibn Hisham to get more clue. You can also check this info online.

Abdullah ibn Saab ibn Abi Saar, upon learning that Mohammed's alleged revelations were fake, left Islam and went back to mecca to tell the Meccans that he doctored some of what Mohammed asked him to write and that Mohammed willingly accepted his suggestions on the modifications of the so-called revelations. If Mohammed was proofreading what the sahabas were writing, this wouldn't have happened, that is scribal errors.

If one of the scribes can manipulate the content of the Quran, what about other scribes who choosed to remain discreet?

Tora, Injil and zebur abrogated by Allah are not Qur'an, use your God given logic brother, if what Muhammad detected was written in error deliberately or by mistake or He himself fabricated the Qur'an you could have several contradiction, errors, scientific fallacy like what we have today in the bible

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 4:35pm On Nov 08, 2017

true2god:
Don't lie against allahh and his apostle. Mohammed forgot many so-called revelations. See below:

None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things? (Quran 2:106).

This is called the doctrine of abrogation in Islam. You said Mohammed was an illiterate man, how did he write down his revelation? If he was assisted to write them down, how did he ensure that what his scribes wrote are accurate?

The Tora, Injil, Zebura etc are all from Allah and in Allah's mercy and wisdom decided to abrogate them all and for the one Allah coursed to be forgetting are not more part of the Qur'an, haven said that, on accuracy of Qur'an, several companies of the prophet do write down the revelation as they were recited by the Prophet and he asked each one of them to recite what they wrote back to back, one by one for Him to make sure they were all correct.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 2:24pm On Nov 08, 2017

Emusan:
Have you even tried to ask yourself an honest question about the GOSPEL?

I mean, if gospel simply means GOOD NEWS, then what is the ACTUAL Good News that was given to Jesus?

The GOOD NEWS is about what?

For instance, if you tell your junior one that you have Good News for him/her, what do you think s/he will be expecting?

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 2:23pm On Nov 08, 2017

Emusan:
The question is, how was GOSPEL given to your isa?

Imaging a book sticks to an illiterate memory, is it hard cover or exercise book?... This is what you said not an insult.

not an insult but miracle for unlettered man to bring the never reversed or edited book called Qur'an with accurate scientific prediction for the mankind for internal life as well as good living. your question was answered for the gospel.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 10:56am On Nov 08, 2017

malvisguy212:
lies, Jesus never receive any book, Jesse came to preach the gospel. Muhammad misunderstood everything, he thought the gospel is a book, the gospel Jesus bring is the GOOD NEWS.

take it easy Baba, Jesus was preaching the gospel in form of what? word of mouth or deaf sign

Christianity Etc › Re: I Need Good Muslim To Answer This Quetion by smoy: 9:46am On Nov 08, 2017

Ayomivic:
Pls i need answer to this question from good muslim. I have asked a muslim friend but he could not provide answer to it
The quetion goes like this

Torah was given to Moses ( musa' and Seburah was given to David ( Dauda) Injeel was given to Jesus ( Issa)now my question . How was Injee given to Jesus?

Apart fro Prophet Muhammad (saw) whom Allah reveal Qur'an for span of years (23 years) as the situation warranted but for all other prophets including Jesus they were given their books at once, though Prophet Muhammad did no tell us much about their compilations but we were made to know that they were given books and must of the prophet were learned and could write and read, Muhammad was only prophet who could not read and write, the book sticks to his unfailing memory and recited for his companions who could write them down. But Allah know best.

Politics › Re: The Politics Of The Cross (why Bribing The Guards To Lie? Matthew 28:12-15) by smoy(op): 8:54pm On Nov 05, 2017*

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Were These Sacred Books Removed From The Bible? by smoy: 8:41pm On Nov 05, 2017

Augusto20:
Did Jesus Christ ever Quoted or referred to any of those scared books during his life time on earth?
OR
Did any of his Apostles or early church father in the New Testament, ever quoted or referred to any of those scared books?

The answers to those two questions is however NO, Christ nor the early church fathers or New Testament church never referred to any of those scared books. if this book were truly inspirational by God, Christ will have referred to them. The present bible we have is complete, from Genesis to Revelation. it is the divinely inspired word of God, from the infinite God to the finite morals. read it, u will be best and it will prepare u for heaven. forget those nor inspirational books.

did Jesus also refers and quoted these too?

Song of Solomon 7King James Version (KJV)

7 How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.
2 Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.
3 Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.
4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.
5 Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries.
6 How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!
7 This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes.
8 I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;
9 And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.
10 I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.
11 Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.
12 Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish, whether the tender grape appear, and the pomegranates bud forth: there will I give thee my loves.
13 The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Right To Drink Alcohol In A Church? by smoy: 7:23pm On Nov 05, 2017

bidemz:
lol
but dat still doesn't justify them to drink it in the presence of God na

what justification do they need again even the first miracle of Jesus was to turn water to wine.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Right To Drink Alcohol In A Church? by smoy: 7:15pm On Nov 05, 2017

bidemz:
There is this catholic church around my area, anytime they are through with their service on Sundays i always see some of their youth members immediately after service, they go and buy crates of beer and drink in the church premises
it always left me wondering if they see nothing wrong in drinking alcohol in the church
please is it right??

they got the inspiration from bible 1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Christianity Etc › Re: Quran Is Not A Story Book!! by smoy: 6:51pm On Nov 05, 2017

folafola:
whenever we engage Muslims in dialogue and were asked to show one evidence or another like for instance explain HOW GATHERED JESUS UP ABOVE TO HEAVEN* or *HOW ALLAH MADE CRUXIFICTION APPEAR SO etc

Muslim dawah preachers had been trained to say either allahu Allan or worst still *the Quran is not a story book*

HOW TRUE IS THIS CLAIM?!

in fact Quran is not only a story but Allah is the best story teller!! Let Allah himself speak from his Quran

Sura 12:3
نَحْنُ نَقُصُّ عَلَيْكَ أَحْسَنَ الْقَصَصِ بِمَا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنَ وَإِنْ كُنْتَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ لَمِنَ الْغَافِلِينَ

(Sahih International)
We *relate to you, [O Muhammad], *the best of stories* in what We have revealed to you of this Qur'an although you were, before it, among the unaware.
.............................
Bonus of quranic verses talking about Allah the story teller.............
Sura 7:7, sura 18:13, and sura 28:3 said WE RECITE TO YOU

In summary , we agreed bible contain stories and it can be called a book of stories!! But now what does Allah called Quran? *Best of stories* and he himself *the reciter* and *narrator* of story!!

...................
Happy Sunday to you all
Fsp, November 2017

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Gen 19:30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

37 And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Were These Sacred Books Removed From The Bible? by smoy: 3:23pm On Nov 05, 2017

ChrisKonor:
I really wanna know why these 30+ books and more are not in the bible. Why? Are you sure this current edition we all use aint a tool of colonization? Tool of power? The truth is that if these books were in the bible there will be more faith and less hypocrisy because most of them are very spiritual illustrating the power of God. So i really need to know because im giving up on the current "christianity"

you better give up Christianity brother because bible has created many problem for humanity against his creator and shall be dealt with on the day of accountability, not only these ones you mentioned but even the present bible are full of discrepancy, scientific misfires,moral degeneration, unfilled prophecy, mathematical imbalance and gross misconception of God the Almighty.

Politics › Re: The Politics Of The Cross (why Bribing The Guards To Lie? Matthew 28:12-15) by smoy(op): 2:15pm On Nov 05, 2017

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Biblical Procedures For Burial? by smoy: 2:07pm On Nov 05, 2017

toltee4real:
I am deeply concern as regards the dictate of Christianity as a religion, the guides and procedures for burying our dead relatives. I found it necessary to bring it up here as the Muslims has a unique way of handling it. Does bible stipulates any guidance?

you will never find anything like that in the Christianity because many thing Jesus has to said then but they could not understood them until the last prophet come i.e Muhammad (saw)the He will guard all humanity to all truth.read Jonh16:12

Islam › Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by smoy: 1:57pm On Nov 05, 2017

malvisguy212:
are you sure you've read the Qur'an before ? did you understand the convanant allah is making with the prophet ? did this prophet fullfilled this convanant ?

.....old age

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Make Mistakes?? by smoy: 1:53pm On Nov 05, 2017

TheControversy:
How about the reverse, kids who lose both their parents and become orphans with no one to look after them. Is God testing their faith still?

when you look after an orphan your reward is special in the sight of God and for the kid himself his record are clean until maturity

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Make Mistakes?? by smoy: 8:17pm On Nov 04, 2017

TheControversy:
That statement of yours is the reason why people become atheists or simply irreligious. Are you implying that the reason why kids die prematurely of malnourishment or cancer is because God is testing whether they are faithful to him?

kids are sinless and for any of them with problem or pain is now a test for the parent bc you shall be worry over him and you will be rewarded for his well been and you will be punished for his maltreatment

Politics › Re: The Politics Of The Cross (why Bribing The Guards To Lie? Matthew 28:12-15) by smoy(op): 2:28pm On Nov 04, 2017

still waiting

Politics › Re: The Politics Of The Cross (why Bribing The Guards To Lie? Matthew 28:12-15) by smoy(op): 10:17am On Nov 04, 2017

Hofbrauhaus:

Why do you think those guards decided to guard the tomb of Jesus? The guy is dead na, why guard the tomb of a dead man?

The answer is in Matthew 28:63. Read it and learn!!

read my queries well for better understanding and answered the questions

Politics › Re: The Politics Of The Cross (why Bribing The Guards To Lie? Matthew 28:12-15) by smoy(op): 10:14am On Nov 04, 2017

mangood74:
there re 1001 scriptures where JESUS and GOD said That HE will died
i know u ve nt read them
i not here for arguement but to make it straight so that u might believe and be savd
i will post those scriptures in a while

waiting

Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Jesus Is The Only Way To God. Don't Get It Twisted, Religion Won't Help by smoy: 9:43am On Nov 04, 2017

Clevergeo:
I love muslims, buddists etc
I grew up with a lot of them around me as childhood friends. As a matter of fact, my late bosom friend seun was a muslim and I loved him so much, but you see religion is simply man's attempt to seek God. God created man with an intuitive revelation of his person; I mean when God created man the spirit of man traces its source to God, so no matter how far man drifted from God, there was always a spirit in him that maintained the knowledge of God. This knowing remained in man even after the fall at Eden, and is responsible for the birth of all world religions in history.

religion is man's attempt to reach God; pathetically it all proved to be abortive. Christianity is God's only attempt to reach out to man.
So friends, Jesus is the way to your salvation. There is no other.

Salomon is the salvation 32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.

proverbs :33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.

Sura 3 - Al-E-Imran (MADINA) : Verse 85
Whoever seeks a faith other than Islam, it will never be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.
35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord.
36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Jesus has finished his work on earth john 17:4

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Make Mistakes?? by smoy: 9:34am On Nov 04, 2017

EmperorHarry:
LMAO... Like I'm supposed to be scared of hell that is most likely for every human due to the tiny thread they are asked to walk on in order to make it to heaven
Dude i just asked for a different opinion or counter Theory not judgement or condemnation

good day, God created heaven and earth to house the humankind and jinkind for the purpose of test through live and death to see who be the best in service to him, Only in Christianity bible God regretted but in the real seance God made no mistake.

there is punishment attached with disobedient and reward for obedient to the rules, Noah people went contrary to the agreement and there were punished.

Politics › Re: The Politics Of The Cross (why Bribing The Guards To Lie? Matthew 28:12-15) by smoy(op): 8:51am On Nov 04, 2017

mangood74:
have accepted THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR?

answer my questions

Politics › Re: The Politics Of The Cross (why Bribing The Guards To Lie? Matthew 28:12-15) by smoy(op): 8:44am On Nov 04, 2017

mangood74:
PLEASE ALWAYS READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURE TO UPDATE UR SELVES
for CHRIST also had once suffered for sins both for the righteous and unrigtheous that he might bring us to GOD being put to DEATH IN THE FLESH BUT QUICKEN BY SPIRIT 1peter 3:18
verse 19 of the same chapter 3 explained where he was for those three days

show me where Jesus Himself or God said that Jesus will die on the cross for the 3 days
in contrary he gave you sign of Jonah matt 12:38-40 that he shall be ALIVE for these period

Politics › Re: The Politics Of The Cross (why Bribing The Guards To Lie? Matthew 28:12-15) by smoy(op): 8:26am On Nov 04, 2017

mangood74:
HE gave up the ghost on the cross.
when HE said it is finished
FATHER INTO THY HAND I COMMEND MY SPIRIT
kuke 23:46 john 19:30
joseph of arementhia took permision to carry his dead body for burial john 19:38

Luke 23:46 and John 19:30 were not testimony of Jesus and not of God. note that Joseph was his secret disciple whom loved Jesus and as well as many who don't wont Him dead and were ready to help him to survive.
He said it has finished from the work God gave him not that he is dead.John 17:4

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