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bayooooooo: Let's start this way: who created God?

nope lets start from the beginning- how were u created?

Kay 17: Try to spring your premise together. What's is the design in man? What is his purpose?? WHO is his creator? Why does he need to be created??

basically, Man was created for God's pleasure FULLSTOP

you can relate it to Man's Creations
anything Man makes was done for the pleasure of Man and the tool created cant question why it was made-hope this puts it in better perspective.

thehomer: no it is not off topic. It clearly demonstrate the erroneous way you're reasoning about this God of yours. Why should I accept that humans have a God? Are you willing to accept that Ganesha is out there?

wu is Ganesha?

thehomer: Have you heard of the idea that the location of an atom's electron is determined by probability? i.e a maybe?

d irony u believe in an electron that cant be seen- hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

thehomer: You have effectively shown why your argument is a fallacious false dichotomy. The fact that humans are born means that they are neither self created nor created by someone else.

Humans procreate, but the Human Specie was created - why are u finding this concept so difficult to understand- does it break ur unbelief.

Martian: Ok, let me take a leap of faith say there is a "God". One "God".

Can you show us how we can know without.
1) Religious texts because we are not religious so those texts are like Harry potter.
2) Religious dogma/doctrine because of the same reasons listed.
3)AnecdoteS. You can't use them because extraordinary stories rquire extraordinary evidence. Unless you have "hard" emprical evidence, don't use them.
4)Personal beliefs are excluded because some of them can be ridiculous and irrational. Besides if you can't prove it, then it's just your personal BS.

Deal?

PS: DON'T QUOTE THE BIBLE AND THEN SAY, "IT'S NOT THE BIBLE, IT'S THE WORD".
SO DON'T QUOTE THE BIBLE OR "THE WORD" OR "THE WAY" OR "BASIC INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE LEAVING EARTH" OR "ANYOTHERFUCKINGNAMEYOUCANCOMEUPWITH"

easy peasy-
as i stated b4:
if a creature was not self created it implies it was made, it has a Maker , a God.
now if a creature is self Created, then it is a God unto itself.

thats all the proof required to believe that Humans have a God. now its very easy to kill this Human "God" only if Human can self create itself.

ea7: If you don't know something try and find the explanation. By the way, do you know the proponent of the bib b.ang theory was a christian, btecha didn't!

interesting, a "christian" proposed the big b-ang theory, and you had no doubt believing
but another christian states there is a God - and you have trouble believing


dont argue ambigously

Seun: If God created all good & evil in the universe, how can God not be at least partly evil?

another thread derailer- the Nature of God is actually inconsequential to this thread, but i will enlighten you a bit, but before that i would like you your point of view on the following-

wats ur definition of evil? and how is evil created?

Seun: If God created all good & evil in the universe, how can God not be at least partly evil?

Who created God? If the universe is to intricate to not have been intelligently designed,

sowwii o, this doesnt add up- too intricate and yet not intelligently designed shouldn't it be the reverse case -an intricate piece of work shows that a lot of skill and knowledgeable effort was inserted which would definitely speak volumes of the Maker. it is not fathomable that an intricate design can occur by random - that is sheer madness.
in terms of logical probability- which is more intricate in design and thus less likely to occur at random- an amoeba or a light bulb if you answered honestly your answer would be an amoeba- this implies that it is more likely to find an already produced light bulb before an amoeba can occur.

Seun: then a creature who designed such an intricate world must have been intricate himself

hey!! i see a light at the end of a tunnel- basically u admit that whoever created this world in general and humans in specific must be more knowledgeable that the creations He made. Basically He is God because He made us.

Seun: Who created God? If God could just exist without a designer, then the universe could have sprung up the same way!!

i sense pride- wow!!!, another root cause for atheism discovered, hmm!! the prognosis is quite fascinating.
i previously clearly logically defined what it entails to be a God unto ur creations. i'll repeat it once again.

as i stated b4:
if a creature was not self created it implies it was made, it has a Maker , a God.
now if a creature is self Created, then it is a God unto itself.

now where does that leave Man
is Man a self Created Being?
if we are, it implies we are God(s)unto ourselves
but if we aren't, it implies we have a God.

and i will break it down a bit further -eva wondered why "He says He created us in His Image"- one aspect of that which is often overlooked is the fact that He gave us the ability to also "create" to be designers and builders just like Him, ever wondered why the Human mind is so innovative. anyways back to the illustration-

God created Man
Man created Robots with artificial intelligence.

God is "God" unto Man
Man is "God" unto Robots

case in point- a Robot called Seun with his Artificial intelligence says "who created Man? if Man could just exist without a designer, then "i- Seun the robot" could have sprung up the same way!!, ,

the boundaries of the creation and the Creator is very clear and simple "if a creature was not self created it implies it was made, it has a Maker , a God" no long thing

harakiri: All you've written here still doesn't prove the biblical god exists. These are mere sentiments that carry no weight.

basically u are saying God doesnt exist because you do not believe what was written in the bible>>>> hmmm! i think i just found a root cause for Atheism- d lack of believe in "religious books" - now that i have identified a root cause, hopefully a solution to ur unbelief in GOD is not too far away- i pray it wont be too late for u sha

Kay 17: Third point: there is no God, but priests and pastors lying and pretending to be his mouthpiece. And if there is God why would he want you to believe rather than KNOW he exists?? Disbelief wouldn't stop him from existing right?

why is it difficult to understand simple terms
i defined what God is, and it has nothing to do with religion
how can you (MAN) say there is no GOD- are you implying that you created yourself
if YOU didnt create yourself, it means you were made, YOu have a GOD!!!!

harakiri: @Religious folks. . .A few questions for you since that's what this thread is all about :


(1)How did Judas Iscariot die? Was it through hanging or falling?Let's take these two inconsistencies for starters:


(a) Matthew 27:5: Here Judas threw away the silver and went to hang himself and thus : JUDAS DIED BY COMMITTING SUICIDE.

(b) Acts 1:18: Here Judas bought a field with the silver,fell headlong and his intestines spew forth and thus : JUDAS DIED BY ACCIDENT (there is no proof of suicidal tendencies here rather Judas was investing his money in real estate).


(2)Who did Cain marry? Who are those mysterious people in the land of Nod? The bible clearly depicts another established civilization there so they are evidently NOT children of Adam and Eve.

thread derailer alert
open a thread on Judas iscariot and ur 21 questions and i'll explain them berra
dis thread is to help atheist

thehomer: Maybe you should refer to biologists for a more apt definition.



You need to know that conservapaedia is a poor source of accurate information on such topics.

since u r better versed in the concept of evolution- pls enlighten me

i'm back

apologies for my absence

thehomer: Does this then mean that initially, this God of yours wasn't omnipotent, omnipresent or omniscient but later came to have these properties and thus became a God?

off topic, accept Humans have a God first before we discuss about His attributes.

thehomer: This is a poor definition because according to that definition, I'm a God, computer programmers are Gods, sculptors and potters are Gods etc.

you finally get my point
yes it means Computer programers are Gods unto the Programs they create
Scultpors/ Potters are God unto the artforms they create - they can choose the dimension, color longevity of the works of thier hands and guess what the Creations have NO SAY!!!

thehomer: This is a logical fallacy known as a false dichotomy. If one encounters a dog, the options on how it came to be there aren't that it either created itself or was made. Again, it could have been born.



You're still following your false dichotomy. I already answered this by telling you that humans are born.

its not logical fallacy if the point of contention is the origin of the specie not the

everything is either yes or No, there are no maybe's

so you agree that Humans are born in otherwords not Self_created which means the Very 1st Human was fearfully and Wonderfully created by a God. We are the works of His Hands.

will reply other posts later brb

Baaby: Can cramping on the left side of a uterus means ur carrying a baby boy?

wat does cramping on either side of ur body have to do with the sex of a child
except the baby gats a big bo,n,e.r

uhb

hola

Kay 17: I disagree with you. Man is not an object of creation. Ok prove otherwise.

d proof is in d eating of the pudding right

here's is my proof


if a creature was not self created it implies it was made, it has a Maker , a God.
now if a creature is self Created, then it is a God unto itself

now the following are hard facts not theories:


Man didnt decide to exist and it came to Pass.
Man had no will to its Creation
Man had an external factor in its creation.
Man is not Self Created thus this implies it was made

mantraa: @idango
How do you know that you are worshipping the right god?
You did not choose where you were born. If you were born somewhere else you would probably be worshipping a different god.

Have a look at the different imaginary gods that people believe in, than ask yourself if you think your imaginary god is gonna send them all to hell just for being born into a different culture?

AFRICAN GODS
AUSTRALIAN GODS
AZTEC GODS
CARIBBEAN GODS
CELTIC GODS
CHINESE GODS
EGYPTIAN GODS
FINNISH GODS
GREEK GODS
INCAN GODS
INDIAN GODS
JAPANESE GODS
MAYAN GODS
MESOPOTAMIAN GODS
MIDDLE-EASTERN GODS
NATIVE AMERICAN GODS
NORSE GODS
OCEANIC GODS
ROMAN GODS
SLAVIC and BALTIC GODS
SOUTH AMERICAN GODS
SOUTH-EAST ASIAN
TIBETAN GODS

The're all there
http://www.godchecker.com/

urs is a case of too much god syndrome

jim jones: amen, brother...amen. evidently, we best not take this...piece of clay up on his offer. i'm saying, i've heard better arguments from the sheep aka religious folks...and at best they were illogical, fact free, and foolish. but this op of ours is special...he thinks pretty highly of his abilities, while the evidence shows that his arguments are acutely imbecilic and well short of the already low bar the theist are famously known to hit.

come , let us reason together

you've said alot and yet said nothing.
if what i say is illogical disproof it with ur "logical" reasoning -i await albeit not with bated breathe

ea7: If you go to conservapedia, you ain't getting accurate info. Though I doubt you are interested in accurate info as you must have skipped wikipedia at the top of the list. Besides, humans are still investigating abiogenesis, we will find out, we are not omniscient. Your god is and he says people think with their hearts. Well then. It seems you have dropped all pretense of not advocating the bible god. And my reply is this again, who made god?

thanks dude for the clarification, (i thot wikipedia was even more unreliable) anyways since you know best- can you give a very brief definition of Evolution i.e the concept and rationale. i dont want to make assumptions.Thanks

Jack65: Actually, I want to believe and sometimes wish there really is a cosmic big brother up there who will answer all our prayers and make all our troubles go away. Who wouldn't want that ? If you've ever been to a hospital and see small children die or abandoned by their parents because they can no longer afford the treatments, then you should wonder like me where is god or the so-called men of god. I want to believe that there is god to take care of these kids (knowing that their parents prayed) to heal their sicknesses, but I can't because that god is no where to be found, nobody answers our prayers and I refuse to pretend otherwise like many Christians.

i honestly relate to your pain, and the truth is stuff like this are what turns theist into Atheist (with very. very good knowledge on religion). So, you have cried out and "noone heard your cry" bet u felt abadoned, all alone and as logically thinking beings u say to urself "if my Maker didnt hear me", it means He doesnt exist.

hmm!! i do i comfort you- lets see
1. He exists- He made you, and He knows you.
2. this Life is about you, and you alone- you carve ur own path.
2. Good things happen and so do bad things, - the nature of the activity is not what matters, its the lesson learnt- a kid dies, you can learn one of two lessons-(a) God is unfair, He is a Meanie, He is Non-challant etc. or (b)You learn to appreciate the gift called Life, you pay more attention to the needy,you realize the futility in grudges, etc, you make the most of each situation.
either of the decision taken changes nothing in the attributes of God, all it changes is you.

thehomer: Sorry but what you presented wasn't a definition of the word "God". Also, what happens if the heaven and the earth weren't created? Would that mean that what you're referring to as God doesn't exist?



No. Creating a robot doesn't make you omnipotent or omniscient. Creating a robot doesn't mean you can make its metal parts turn into salt by magic.

I said your question is meaningless because humans are born not made.

i think you are confused here- i never mentioned the xteristics of a being a God
i gave you the requirements to be a GOD

and i"ll repeat it.
What is God? God is Defined as a Creator, a Maker.

as i stated b4:
if a creature was not self created it implies it was made, it has a Maker , a God.
now if a creature is self Created, then it is a God unto itself.

now where does that leave Man
is Man a self Created Being?
if we are, it implies we are God(s)unto ourselves
but if we aren't, it implies we have a God.

and yes you can threaten to short circuit, melt, inactivate, destroy the Robot atwill, u know its inner workings you created it.you are its God.(you can also warn it not to view P.or,no sites, else it wud catch a virus )

thehomer: Yes humans evolved.

manmustwac: YES! Mankind evolved.

so lets c i get two affirmatives from two Atheist, and their basis of Man origin is Evolution.i guess i will tow d line that most Atheist believe in Evolution.

now lets define Evolution: Merriam-Webster's dictionary gives the following definition of evolution: "a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations"
p.s
i typed evolution in google and came across the cool site [url] http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution[/url]

now lets break down evolution: from its definition "the origin of a new specie comes from other pre-existing specie" if this is true what/who created the very 1st specie

**reading the discussions from afar****

and ofcourse in my seemingly absence i didnt reply to any of the post even though i created the thread - does that mean i dont exist

nw lets see whr did we stop

thehomer: Are you familiar with the theory of evolution? I ask because based on that theory, the reasoning behind your question is faulty.


.

Do you believe man is as a result of evolution? All I want is a yes or no.

mjconcept: In a simpler Term Atheism is the rejection in the existance of a supreme being or God but my question is can you prove that human beings evolved from outer space or theory of evolution by some scientist.

Think u got me mixed with another dude

Valon4ego: Just to make my debut in this section. Hello to you all

Hi

emisun: this guy's argument is unsound.just like someone already pointed out.there is nothing like 'your maker' to an atheist.guy,if u wanna argue on this issue,i suggest u change the thread's caption.

Can you please, expantiate- pls define Atheism?

Martian: Damn simpleton. lol . What about the baby dying from leukemia?

p.s why are you quoting mark 4 12, if religion is not involved?

yea, what about the baby
why is whitney dead and not Bobby
why was i born a jamaican
bla bla bla
it changes nothing

Martian: Damn simpleton. lol .

I will use the simple things of the world to comfound the "wise"

Martian: why are you quoting mark 4 12, if religion is not involved?

to you it's mark 4, 12
... to me it's Word.

plaetton: [/b][b][/b][b][/b][b]

The real questions are "what is man"? and what is god?
Is God is just a generic term we use to fill a gap in our knowledge about origin?

There are an estimated 20 billion Suns in our milky way galaxie, and there are an estimated 35 billion galaxies in the universe, and it speculated that there are many universes layered on top of each other in this 3-dimensional reality.
The important questions are whether all are the creation of one or the manisfestations of one.
I have always maintained that the simply ascribing all creation to the work of an unknowable generic god and then worshiping such is a sort of copout and derelection of our responsiblity as thinking beings to investigate and search for the mysteries of our existence.In searching, we have to be able to open our minds to all possiblities, including the idea that the universe might not have needed a creator in the manner that we assume.
We must continue to ask" what is god?", a conscious being or just energy? If at the root of every atomic particle,there is consciousness( as has been theorized by physicists), then we can say that all of existence is the manifestations of consciousness, rather than saying that god is consciousness.


















If On the hand, we say or accept the notion that electromagnetic energy is at the root of all existence, then we can also say that all existetence are the manifestations of energy rather than saying that god is energy or that god created energy.

If there is only one consciousness or energy whose manifestations give rise to the universe or uiverses,then that one source is embedded 100% in all of existence. Therefore, there would be no need for a creator or to create since all there is and all there could be already is.
The idea of a creator, in my mind, is therefore null and void.

The problem with those who suscribe to this notion of a creator is that they seek, and in most cases, synthesize a being whom they can they can award the grand honour of fashioning the universe, and then, they tactfully evade the questions about the source and nature of such a being, usually by invoking such phrases as "self-created being", "uncaused cause" and other self-contradictory terms.

whew!!! long post, cant you guys just keep it simple.

what is Man? that is a name the Human specie calls itself.
What is God? God is Defined as a Creator, a Maker.

as i stated b4:
if a creature was not self created it implies it was made, it has a Maker , a God.
now if a creature is self Created, then it is a God unto itself.

now where does that leave Man
is Man a self Created Being?
if we are, it implies we are God(s)unto ourselves
but if we aren't, it implies we have a God.

Martian: Since you want to pretend that you're not refering to the christian god, let's see if you can answer some questions logically.

Can you tell us why you believe in the existence of this particular God,why you refer to him as a male, how you know he is responsible for "creation" and how everyone else(especially atheists) should come to know what you know. Also, tell us why you think the "creator" is singular.

Since there is no religion involved, please do not use a holy book, religious dogma/doctrines, anecdotes, or personal beliefs.

dude, ive been down that road, read my replies, it wud educate you.
p.s
this thread is foremost to proof the existence of a God, His attributes gender, color is for another thread.

p.s 2
vessels are referred to as "she" does that mean vessels have life?

does this apply to brushing with kpako

actually the common mistakes modern folks make is actually not vigorously rinsing ur mouth after each meal, bad breathe is caused my germs that accumulate on food stuck in the mouth.

am i missing sumtin?
y is the transport coy rep so sure that the girls weren't raped, did he organise the raid