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all4naija: Much ado about nothing!

is that a Yes or a No

thehomer: No it doesn't say anything about that because we don't need to know how the first form was made to know that they've changed.

actually u need to know how the first form was made in other to decipher the Maker, otherwise you have no basis of saying there is no Maker.

hisblud: @snthesis it looks atheists here have grown cold feet in deciding which premise to take a stand on. Please are you debating this on any forum apart from nairaland. Post a link, i did like to follow you on it. And its better than that generalization. Thanks for making me think.

i am not debating it on any other forum, but feel free to post it in any forum of ur choice, and you could send me a link.

thehomer: Why don't you simply read it where it is? Anyway, here is a snippet. Please follow it up on the website.

i have read it and the key point of evolution is change from one form to another it never ever mentions how the very first form was made?

all4naija: Create heavens and earth from what?

i will answer your question but first i need to set a basis.

do you agree that in other to create an object, the creator of the object will be far greater than the created object. i.e do you agree that it is impossible for an object of creation to be greater than its Maker.

Logic Mind: i come from the perspective that god is not thus mooting your premises and assumptions.
if there is a god, where is he?
what is his raison d'etre?

u come again, trying to hide ur lack of comprehension with big big grammar.

its either you agree with the premise or not, and state your reasons for your stance, how difficult is that

no more diversions!!!!
the thread is simple - to test a premise.
it is either you agree with the stated premise and provide a basis in support of your position
or
you disagree with the premise and provide a basis in support of your position


we are supposedly intelligent ppl, lets act it

ea7: argumentum ad nauseaum:repeating one argument over and over till your opponents drop away and then declaring you have won.

dude, this isn't a competition.

loony thread

ea7: he is just gonna go lalala im not listening or pull an argumentum ad nauseaum

these "intelligent" peeps sabi show off, abegi thanks for the new phrase

thehomer: But you're the one who believes in him. Why don't you ask him? Or are you afraid of the answer you'll get?

a question should have a purpose? what is the purpose of this question? what is its relevance?

thehomer: Check out a nice summary of it here.

please copy and paste the summary on this thread, thanks

all4naija: Sorry! He seems not to exist. Why can you that believe in him ask in-behalf of me?

Good , we are progressing.

thehomer: Because the theory of evolution is the best theory that tell us how modern humans came to be in a world previously without humans.

the Best theory? and yet you cant simply state what Evolution theory is all about.
btw- have you checked the meaning of a theory recently

thehomer: How long ago did God create the heavens and the earth?

dunno! ask Him

Logic Mind: because you are not sincere. it is futile to reason with you.

how have i been insincere?

Logic Mind: here we go again. you are meant to answer the questions, not ask another one.

in other to answer the said question, i need it to be further explained- no be everyone get IQ of 1000000

Kay 17: Self cause is illogical.

what makes it illogical

Kay 17: @sthnesis

God is self caused?? [b}We[/b] have agreed that's an absurdity

we? u and who

btw wat makes it absurd?

booty4me= seun

all4naija: Create heavens and earth from what?

ask Him, that is why He is God.

all4naija: What did you want to know than God created man from dust? Is like you're not asking yourself how come about the dust - if you are using such analogy you wrote above to question Atheists. Indeed, your God must provide evidences of where he got what he used to create.

Bible 101

Genesis 1
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

pretty quiet in here

^^^lol @d monkey part, got me enuff laffs

Ptolomeus: Where it is said that God is self-created?

can u explain ur comment?

buzugee: i see you are a stiff necked and thick headed israelite. did you not understand these words ' I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINIONS' ? where are the biblical verses ? you do know the scripture is of no private interpretation right ? 2 peter 1 vs 20 no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. you know this right ? see you have no light in you. thats why all you are dropping all over the place are your opinions and not the words of the lord. if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them isaiah 8 vs 20.

oh actually i see bible verses lol my bad. and those are symbolic and allegoric verses. thats why the lord says [b]read the bible line by line precept upon precept here a little there a little [/b]isaiah 28 vs 10. see thats why you dont understand the words. you dont know how to read precept upon precept. here a little there a little

Jesus spoke in parables

anyways my response to this thread wasnt for you, it was for other people that might read your thread and get confused, my work is done.

buzugee: YOU ARE UNLEARNED. THATS YOUR PROBLEM. AND NOT ONLY ARE YOU UNLEARNED, YOU ARE PROUD OF IT TOO. even common sense should tell you that your scenario is absolutely preposterous. the word of the lord is of no private interpretation. stop offending the lord by twisting scriptures to your own private interpretation

sowii o!! na u b d unlearned twisted and confused fella
read and understand- stop twisting the Word

21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the unclothedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the unclothedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's unclothedness.

24And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren


now how is this any different from what i explained and why would u say those verses talks about a s-ex.ual act between Ham and his father wife- where is d correlation

snthesis: by the way ur argument is flawed- why d deliberate twist please read the bible (Gen 9: 20-24) first and not some online crap
"logically" wat happened was the old man Noah shacked and got wasted , young son Ham saw his popsy knocked out Unclad(probably with vomit all over ), ran out laffing to gist his bros like" see that old paale - e don shack scatter room,off cloth" the elder smart ones realized the gravity of what happened and did the "right" thing- they went back in to cover their Dad, rather than mock him. Ham was cursed, not for seeing his dad's unclothedness but for mocking his dad openingly instead of covering his shame

if Ham slept with his dad's wife it would have been clearly recorded e.g Gen 49: 4

Genesis 49:3-4
New International Version (NIV)

3 “Reuben, you are my firstborn,
my might, the first sign of my strength,
excelling in honor, excelling in power.
4 Turbulent as the waters, you will no longer excel,
for you went up onto your father’s bed,
onto my couch and defiled it

why are you trying to be a medium of confusion

buzugee: No problem mi amigos snthesis. if you go to
. http://concordances.org/hebrew/127.htm

\another wrong misintepretation of the Bible
1st one: when God states "let Us make Man in Our own Image" the image He meant wasnt Physical rather Image here refers to the ability of man to be able to Create Just like God.

secondly: if you really want to understand the Creation story, you have to be a creator yourself else you would get lost. As a designer by Profession- before i embark on a project i know what it entails based on the project scope, i know all the equipment i need to buy and where to place them and the functions of each equipment and how they would interact and feed off each other, this design is in my head ever before the final project is completed. that is why i can afford to order "Long lead items first" ever before the other components come into play.

now lets relate it to the creation of the EARTH. The real product is Man, but as the Master Designer God doesnt make Man First, he designs the layout where man would reside, he designs the Food man would eat,and gave man a job, He designs everything that would make man happy. To ensure that folks like you wouldnt think Woman was made as an afterthought, God Clearly states His Objective "in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them"

buzugee: Thats your own interpretation of what unclothedness is. the bible has its own interpretation of what unclothedness is and i have provided the 2 verses that shows you what the bible means by unclothedness. as the scripture says 1 thessalonians 5 vs 21 prove all things because the scripture is of no private interpretation 2 peter 1 vs 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation

wrong again!!!
that verse isnt defining unclothedness as u allude it to mean. you were tryin to juxtapose two very different scenarios to make ur point- "which is Ham wasnt cursed rather it was Canaan" when the bible clearly spelt out what really occured. abegi stop trying to misdirect ppl wit ur wack teachings

buzugee: [/b] so basically what happened here is that when noah got drunk, ham, his son, went and slept with his (noahs) wife (his step-mother), and by sleeping with his fathers wife, he has seen his fathers unclothedness. and the product of that union was canaan which is why noah cursed canaan because this was the product of his son sleeping with his wife.

by the way ur argument is flawed- why d deliberate twist please read the bible (Gen 9: 20-24) first and not some online crap
"logically" wat happened was the old man Noah shacked and got wasted , young son Ham saw his popsy knocked out naked(probably with vomit all over ), ran out laffing to gist his bros like" see that old paale - e don shack scatter room,off cloth" the elder smart ones realized the gravity of what happened and did the "right" thing- they went back in to cover their Dad, rather than mock him. Ham was cursed, not for seeing his dad's unclothedness but for mocking his dad openingly instead of covering his shame

if Ham slept with his dad's wife it would have been clearly recorded e.g Gen 49: 4

**always read ur bible **

The premise is simple- no long thing

"if a creature was not self created it implies it was made, it has a Maker , a God.
now if a creature is self Created, then it is a God unto itself"

This premise is open for test, and if it fails not, then we can conclude that God exists.