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elated177:
We are not going down this part. We will stick to what you started as stated in that post of yours.

You even quoted Freddie M.

Sonmvayina, what percentage of the landmass of the world is currently inhabited by humans?

In that boasting of yours, did you call Yahushua the Messiah a fictitious character?

I just got this from a Jewish Facebook post

Prophecies of the Last Moshiach.

The concept of Moshiach is taught in the Tanach, and clearly teaches all the following criteria must be fullfilled for any person to be seen as Moshiach.

1. Moschiach will reign as King of Israel and gather all Jews from exile back to Israel. Jews will flood to Israel. Duet 30:3, Isaiah 11:11~12, Jeremiah 30:3, 32: 37, Ezekial 11:17, 36:24.
....however Jesus was not King and Jews didn't flock to Israel.

2. The Holy Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt. Isaiah 2:2~3, 56:6~7, 60:7, 66:20, Ezekiel 37:26~27, Malachi 3:4, Zechariah 14: 20~21.
.....the Temple was still not yet rebuilt.

3. World wide peace and an end to all wars. Universal disarming of weapons. Micah 4:1~4, Hoseah 2:20, Isaiah 2:1~4, 60:18.
...obviously war exists still, and many wars are fought in the name of Jesus.

4. Moschiach reigns as King and all Jews will follow commandments of the Torah. Ezekiel 37:24, Deuteronomy 30:8~10, Jeremiah 31:32, Ezekiel 11:19~20, 36: 26~27
...all Jews are not embracing Torah and certainly not following the commandents.

5. Moschiach will rule Israel and the whole world will put down all other religions and the world will reconize and serve the One true Lord of Israel. Zechariah 3:9, 8:23, 14:9~16, Isaiah 45:23, 66:23, Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 38:23, Psalms 86:9, Zephaniah 3:9
...obviously this hasn't happened.

6. Moshiach must be from the Tribe of Judah and a direct descendant of King David and King Solomon.
Genesis 49:10, 2 Samuel 7:12~14,
1 Chronicles 22:9~10, Numbers 1:1~18.
...Genealogy is only passed from father to son in Tanach. The Christian Bible says he didn't have a father from the Tribe of Judah

7, Ezekiel 46:1-4, the true Moshiach to come will offer HaShem burnt sacrifices of six lambs on the Sabbath and new moons in the 3Rd temple.. where does that leave your jesus?

8 HaShem does not accept human sacrifices!! It is an abomination to him... Deuteronomy 12:30-31

9. The Last Moshiach will re-establish Sacrifices to Hashem!
Ezekial 45:22וְעָשָׂ֤ה הַנָּשִׂיא֙ בַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֔וּא בַּעֲד֕וֹ וּבְעַ֖ד כָּל־עַ֣ם הָאָ֑רֶץ פַּ֖ר חַטָּֽאת׃
On that day, the prince shall provide a bull of sin offering on behalf of himself and of the entire population;"
Ezekial 45:23וְשִׁבְעַ֨ת יְמֵֽי־הֶחָ֜ג יַעֲשֶׂ֧ה עוֹלָ֣ה לַֽיהוָ֗ה שִׁבְעַ֣ת פָּ֠רִים וְשִׁבְעַ֨ת אֵילִ֤ים תְּמִימִם֙ לַיּ֔וֹם שִׁבְעַ֖ת הַיָּמִ֑ים וְחַטָּ֕את שְׂעִ֥יר עִזִּ֖ים לַיּֽוֹם׃
and during the seven days of the festival, he shall provide daily—for seven days—seven bulls and seven rams, without blemish, for a burnt offering to the LORD, and one goat daily for a sin offering.

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elated177:
We are not going down this part. We will stick to what you started as stated in that post of yours.

You even quoted Freddie M.

Sonmvayina, what percentage of the landmass of the world is currently inhabited by humans?

In that boasting of yours, did you call Yahushua the Messiah a fictitious character?

He was created by Rome...

The Messiah God promised the Jews is a normal man like you and me. He will be from the line of David through Solomon his son. He will have a father and mother. Genealogy is only transferred from father to son. He is coming to usher a new era . He is not coming to die for sins or change God's laws or set up a new convenant. God already gave a solution to the problem of sin. Confess and forsake , he would forgive...no human sacrifice was ever required or necessary. Human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer. More over the Jews don't have gods mating with humans, it is a Roman/Greeks mythology...
All those stuff claim by Christian concerning jesus are irrelevant to the Jewish Messiah.

Jesus was created on the other of emperor Constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire...he has got nothing to do with the Jews...

elated177:
1.Light represents the day and darkness is the night. YHVH Almighty, our Father in heaven, made them all.

However, in terms of the deeds and affairs of mankind, light and darkness denote different things. While light denotes good, righteousness and other praiseworthy and virtuous human behavior; darkness denotes evil, unrighteousness, wickedness and filthy human behavior. Light and darkness, when used in this way, are not equal and opposite. Light is always better, greater and powerful than darkness. YHVH Almighty, our Father in heaven admonished his children to embrace light - do righteous deeds and desist from darkness - avoid evil deeds.

Must I spoon-feed you, sonmvayina?



I have taken care of that as in above.



I won't spoon-feed you here, sonmvayina. Show us that you actually know what you are saying.



2."Chukwu" is a title and not a name. Hashem is not a name. It is used when they don't want to call the Father by his name - YHVH. Actually, the name of the Creator can be the same in all languages. Why not? Title can change but not name. I don't think our people, the Igbo, have any proper name for the Creator.

3.Let us say, hypothetically, of course, that the "Chukwu" our ancestors referred to is the Creator, YHVH Almighty, didn't he give a body of instructions? Doesn't this body of instructions constitute his Word?

4.It is YHVH - Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh. And it is his proper name. His name shows who he is - his attributes and all. Just as his Word tells who he is and his requirements and differentiates him from all other beings that claim to be god.



5.You see, sonmvayina, the Name and the Word of YHVH Almighty explicitly show who he is - his attributes, requirements and such and unequivocally differentiate from any usurper or impostor. If your odinani/omenani are not in line with the requirements and attributes of YHVH Almighty, as explicitly, ambiguously portrayed in his Scriptures, then, we are not talking about the same God.

6.You see, different beings might come up and claim to be the God or the same with the God that the Scriptures clearly talk about, but they are exposed when one delves into requirements and attributes. There is no hiding place in that.



7.YHVH Almighty created the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them. Why did it take you that long to state?

You no get one single sense.....
1. There is light and darkness

And there is good and evil..
All God's property. He created everything. ...
But he placed both in front of us and asked us to choose...
He also gave us wisdom to know what is good and what is evil and to discern the grey areas....
It was God who planted the tree of good and evil... remember.

2. They do...the Igbos have a proper name for the creator. If you don't want to accept it. It's your choice.. you are just too funny. How can Gods name be the same in all languages? I don't want to believe you are a dummy. The Babylonian called him Marduk, the Egyptian called him Ra, the Indian call him Brahma, the Bini's call him Osanobua, the Yorubas call him Eledumare....different names of the creator in different cultures and languages...

3. God is not a man or human being. The only way to communicate with God is through an oracle. And it is only spiritually minded people that can interpret the oracle....and most times it is usually through parables.....the "word of God always comes out from the mouth of men"..the body of instruction is how we should relate with ourselves and with nature and why some actions are good and some not good...and detrimental to the over all benefit of the whole. That was why he recommended death for some sins..

4. There is only one God and power. That's why it is called a UNIverse. It is just the name that is different. ..what you think are gods are actually laws and principles within God like Amadioha, which is Sango in Yoruba and Thor in Norse mythology...they represent the personification of lightening and thunder and not a god..there is only one creator of all...read Isaiah 45:1-25. If you visit a good dibia, he would still tell you same thing..The only power they have is the one God gabe to them and it must be used within the boundaries set by God..

5. I am talking about the creator of heaven and earth, if it is him you are talking about them it is the same...but I am sure you don't even know what God is...

6. There is only one being that Answers the name God in the universe..
It is impossible for a stone to answer when a human being is called. No other God is showing up....He is Omni present. He fills the heaven and the earth..

7. I have always said that....you just don't follow..

elated177:
A butterfly thinks itself a bird. Don't be too fast to arrogate to yourself what you don't possess. When you said "we kneel to greet our elders", you never mentioned kids. Besides, we are talking about your odinani/omenani in Alaigbo, of course. Where did Yoruba factor into it? Is odinani/omenani a Yoruba word? So, in your village both male and female children kneel down to greet your elders?

Learning what? Chai!

Eeeem, "lace your shoe" in terms of what, sonmvayina? Money, wisdom, supernatural gift of YHVH Almighty or what, sonmvayina? Be specific?

Stating the obvious is not insult, sonmvayina? Besides, it was you who started it.

Do you understand all that I have said ?

elated177:
You have your own eyes and mind, read for yourself.

In your boasting, did you refer to Yahushua the Messiah as a fictitious character? Even if you, why bother exasperating yourself on a fictitious character?

Who is a Messiah
And

How does jesus qualify ?

Let's start from there..

Faithfulness88:
I know he will come back. He only instructed us to live a godly and peaceable life style.

Who is Us?

You that is reading the story 2000+ years later or his disciples ?

judedwriter:


Na you talk am o.

Nah me talk am...

elated177:
This guy is confused.

Sonmvayina, in which part do males kneel down to greet their elders?

Children..kneel to great elders..we do so in my village and the yorubas do it too...


I guess you are learning....any other question.

Ask them politely I will answer them..

But desist from insult, I don't think you can even lace my shoes in real life...


I will let it pass for now..

elated177:
Chai! Chatting with you, sonmvayina, really lowers someone's reasoning.

What did you ask? Please Enumerate them...

Let me educate you..

judedwriter:


So hell is a scam??

The truth will always prevail no matter what or how long.

In one mouth you said jesus paid the ultimate price

In another mouth you said he'll exist.
Ok oh

judedwriter:
If it was a story, why did Jesus narrate the incident in the NT?

IT'S A CLEAR HISTORY NOT STORY!

Because Jesus never existed..the writer of the gospel put that in the mouth of his character...

elated177:
Stop being dodgy, sonmvayina. Answer the questions. I asked you some questions there. When will you answer them? It is been two years, sonmvayina.

So what has natural disasters got to do with jesus..

Natural disasters are inevitable,...your only chance of survival is to get out of its way..

So how does tsunami affecting the Japanese got to do with a fictional character?...

I don't get it..

elated177:
But you just denied the existence of the devil?

Satan means adversary...

What does devil mean??

It is a story not history...

There is a message or spiritual truth in the story..one of which is that God does not need a human sacrifice before he can forgive sins..

That is what is there for us..

jesusjnr2020:
Why should I when I haven't done any evil or sinned against him?
God is not willing that anyone perishes but that all come to repentance, so He would only do that where necessary as the righteous Judge of the Earth, however could have still forgiven them if they truly repented even after He said that as He did in the instance of Nineveh.

That's the difference, one never destroy unless it is absolutely necessary, the other never comes unless it's to steal, kill and destroy. John 10:10.

That's his plan A, plan B, plan C, up to plan Z. Destroy! Destroy! Destroy!

Do you think the devil can destroy and God would not know about it?

judedwriter:
Hell is so terrible, no one can describe it.

That's why Jesus paid a very expensive price for our eternal salvation.

So why should it still exist?

419 people..

Scam of the highest order.

elated177:
Go to the message.

What has natural disasters got to do with jesus coming in the sky?

Your ignorance is epic..

phidipe:
Please help me, this issue is killing me gradually. how do i get over this bad dream of dreaming about the Old places i have lived in before, my former schools. And this is causing massive set back and bad luck for me. please help me

There is something you needed to learn then that you have not...and you keep reminding yourself.....

Only you know what it is.....figure it out, learn it and improve yourself..

elated177:
Jeremiah 23:23 “Am I only a God nearby,”
declares YHVH,
“and not a God far away?
24 Who can hide in secret places
so that I cannot see them?”
declares YHVH.
“Do not I fill heaven and earth?”
declares YHVH.

God is the totality of the conciouseness of the universe...he is not a man or human being..

There is no devil anywhere....Satan just means adversary, whose only job is to test man. We can either choose to fall or not. End of the day it is up to us....there is no rival anywhere that is fighting God...

MaxInDHouse:
So you have no point!

Lol..

Suit yourself..

elated177:
1.Which one has the Creator admonished mankind to follow, light or darkness?

2.What does light represent in the Scriptures, righteousness or evil/wickedness?

3.Aren't beliefs part of choices?

4.YHVH is one. Is the Word of YHVH Almighty part of YHVH Almighty or not?

5How is the emboldened part of your odinani/omenani equally the Torah?

6.Did you ignore what I asked you about the seas?

1. Both light and darkness are creation of the creator...light is for us to work and earn our living while darkness is for sleep and rest, (and sex, most of us was conceived at night) so we need both. They are not opposing forces, they are complimentary. We need both to survive.

2. Light represent day time where we have time and light (sun) to carry on our business. There are animals and people who work or are active at night.....it does not mean it is evil or bad..

3. I doubt....but I will listen to the context you are driving at..

4. CHUKWU is one. And CHUKWU is not a man or human being. So the concept of word does not apply. .CHUKWU is the Igbo name for the creator, just as Hashem is the Hebrew name for the creator. Remember God confuse the language of man in genesis . You can't expect the name of the creator to be the same in all languages. Same creator different nomenclature. YHVH is an abbreviation of YAW HEH VEH HEH..which has to do with the power of the creator...not a proper name.

5. God gave humanity his divine laws. The Jews wrote it down and called it the Torah. The Igbos passed it down orally from father to son, son to grand son....etc. it is collectively referred to as omenani/odinani some enlightened Igbos are already trying to put it down on paper for easy teaching.

6. God created both the heavens and the earth and everything in between... including the seas...

elated177:
He continues to be evasive. I don't think you read what I posted. Did you see your very own assertions at beginning of the thread?

Yes I did...

What about it?

MaxInDHouse:
What concerns you with the Jews?

Nothing...you are the one in error...

I have proved to you that Christianity is not derived from Judaist...that's all I have been doing..And the fact that it is only laws God gave to us to keep. And that the Jewish laws as contained in the Torah is the same as the Igbo beliefs too...the only difference is the person telling the story.....the messages /laws are consistent...

But you are hell bent on worshipping an idol disguised as "a son of God".....

Learn, unlearn and relearn...

elated177:
What do you mean by "indivisible"?
Mention some of those your odinani/omenani.

I can you didn't mention the seas, only heaven and earth. Why?

Of course, YHVH Almighty created both darkness and light. However, we all know what the Scriptures mean when they mention light and darkness within the contexts of the deeds of mankind. Didn't you know this?

It is mankind choices that can be judged as good or evil
Light or darkness..

Which ever way it is God who created both.

He has placed both in front of us...

Our choices determine if we are righteous or not...it is not our beliefs..

God is one... Deuteronomy 6:4
That is what I mean by indivisible
Not 3 in one or 5 in one...

Omenani/odinani means laws and culture of the land..like "thou shall not murder

Thou shall not have sexual with another man's wife or close relative.

Honour / Respect for elders...(we knell to great our parents in the morning)

Worship of one indivisible creator of the universe which we call CHUKWU ...and recognition of the "alusi" or how the bible puts it "the sons of God".....
Resting from work on a certain day..for my town it is "Eke"....we have the 4 day cycle Eke, Nkwo, olie and Afor......

Etc..

elated177:
Sonmvayina, here, again, is the thread.

You made some bold assertions on which this thread is "premised". Why did you dodge the questions? Didn't you even see your very own assertions at the beginning of this thread?

The thread even has your very own name.

What did I miss? Just went through..


Which stage of awakening are you now?

Arkmanbuddy:
"But he was wounded as a result of our transgressions, he was crushed as a result of our iniquities. The chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wounds we were healed.

All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has visited upon him the iniquity of us all."


So you say Israel was wounded and crushed for the sins of the whole world? You're actually saying that the sins of the world were visisted on Israel, right?


Na wa for you o! People who don't read the scriptures to understand but would rely on rubbish written by confused people who think they know more than others are actually one of the problems of Christianity.

That passage clearly speaks of Christ, even Isaiah 9. Everything was fulfilled on the cross. By the way, the 2 chapters I mentioned are poetic descriptions of Jesus Christ. If you read your Bible well, you'd understand.

No..the servant. The servant is those that where keeping the laws and commandments of God. But where also in exile with the rest of the Jews who where not doing so...
The song was to encourage them not to give up and that their salvation is near and God has not forgotten them...

You just take two verses out of story . That's why you keep missing it. You take two text out of context...read everything ..Isaiah did not add chapters and verses, it is a continuous narrative...

Maynman:
It was a messianic prophesy that was directed to hezekiah.

Noo..that is Isaiah 9:6...the son that has already been given is Hezekiah..

Don't miss them up..

MaxInDHouse:
Says you!

Ok...in all sincerity, what has jesus has to do with God?
Did God ever tell any prophet he had a son he was sending as a Ransome or that he will change his laws and commandments...

You just scared of accepting the facts that Christianity was created by Rome...

And getting de fellowshipped from JW

Maynman:
It was a messianic prophesy, you should look up what “messiah” an hebrew words mean to the jews, and how it’s used.

Hennn...read again..

elated177:
You will soon laugh in engligbo.

Sonmvayina, each time you mention God, I always wonder the God you are talking about. Which god do you even worship? What are even your believes?

Challenging is always allowed. How will darkness be humiliated if it doesn't challenge light, sonmvayina? You know what our people say? Mberede ka eji a mara dike.

I believe in one indivisible, omnipotent almighty God the creator of heaven and earth and everything in it. I also believe in his divine laws and principles as contained in our odinani/omenani.....which the Hebrews call the Torah. Ours was passed orally from father to son to grandson....

I believe God created both light and darkness and he is the lord of both..how else will he be almighty?....

Are you ok now?

elated177:
Sonmvayina, if I refer you to a particular thread now, you will dodge and hide away from nairaland for sometime.

Which thread?

I try to keep up...

Please draw my attention to it...it might be an over sight..

bobestman:
you are very wrong. Isaiah 53 is very clear. It speaks of the identity, mission, appearance suffering of the messiah in the future. All these were fulfilled in the NT. He was short and ugly in appearance that ppl hardly associate with him. His face can scare you. A typical example of a black man from west of afra. The irony of it all is that the vatican gave the ignorant churchians their son. A sisi looking handsome oyibo with palmed hair. They even made images for them they put in their churches and homes. So isaiah 53 help you know the appearance of the true messiah. It exposes the fact that jesus is an impostor messiah. Isreal was first a person before it became a people. It is the name of sm1

Nobody died...if you read it in context, there is no death and resurrection...which is the hallmark of Christianity..

The servant shall see his offspring, he shall prolong his days and the will of the lord shall prosper in his hand....

It is not talking about a "son of God"...it is about a faithful servant.....

It is not a messianic prophesy.

It was written to encourage the Jews(the servant) who where in exile in Babylon at this time....