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tctrills:
Today we shall read directly from the bible.
Matthew 24
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Note, the rumours of wars is not yet the end time.

Verse 7
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
There is greater production and supply of food that at any time in history. There are less famines that any century in history.
Verse 11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Everyone would agree, this is happening. So let's look out for other signs.

Verse 14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
This is a difficult one. Though one form of Christianity is being preached in basically every country, there are still many countries where most citizens are not exposed to Christianity because of restrictions. Some may be taught in secret but most remain unexposed to Christianity.

Now over to you, which signs do you think have been fulfilled so far.

Your great great grand children will still be opening this kind of thread in their own time if you don't put an end to this rubbish...

MaxInDHouse:
Everything you typed is based on your own personal opinion so you have to learn how to convey your thoughts in a way that will appeal to your listeners not just quoting a book simply because it was written by Jews!

I am not quoting from anywhere...did you see any up there...

Like I said, it is about peace ..not about quoting from any book.

Peace within and peace without...End of the day, we are all God's spirit or breath or active force experiencing life in different ways..At death, the active force or spirit returns to the creator and the body returns to earth... God's active force is pure, it does not need to be saved or ransomed from anything. I wonder what jesus death is Ransoming...

This can only come by setting boundaries and learning to follow them and teaching others to do so...

The laws are the same basis of the Yoruba traditional religion...it is the same as the Igbo omenani/odinani...

The only difference is the person telling the story, the core message in the story is consistent..if the Jews uses David and Goliath...and the Igbo uses Emeka and Osayi or the Yoruba uses Femi and Ajana....the message is still that the God within is greater than the obstacle in front of us..........

Your problem is that you think bible stories are literal...they are not. They are oracles....

Learn the messages and teach it...

MaxInDHouse:
We are saying the same thing but from different perspective!

How do you convince anyone that God exists and even if he believes in God how do you convince him that what you're quoting is from God?
Remember anything can be God to anybody it's until you're able to convince someone that what you're quoting is from God that your listener can think of obedience!

You are still warp in this kind of mentality...

God is not a man, God is the universal consciousnesses..
I know you may not agree with me...but you have to think until it hurts...and be open to new knowledge...it will help shine a better light on things....

The only way to convince them why some actions are considered evil....and teach them the laws so they can make better judgement and decisions...

Jesus is just a distractions.....he has no role whatsoever to play in the scheme of things...

Learn the Torah...so you can teach it...

MaxInDHouse:
Go and listen to different Nigerian politicians in the case of Nigerian politics then come back to me and let's talk about the positive results of politics in Nigeria.
Ọmọ quoting a Jew when you can't make good use of what he's saying is BRAINWASHING!

Go and learn the art of teaching where after reading or listening to someone who makes sense to you you can put what he said in your own words and bring out the practical application for the benefit of those putting it to good use.

Where are those PRACTICING what your Jewish scholar is saying?
It's after seeing how his utterances yields positive results among them that intelligent persons like me could take him seriously.

Do you think right thinking people just pick up what the Jews wrote down about their history and carry it in our heads?

NO! It's after seeing how practical it's application is and the benefits that follow that makes us believe in the God of Abraham!

The practical application is in encouraging people to obey Gods divine commandments so that we will live in peace and in a peaceful earth. Believing in anything outside of the creator of heaven and earth is taking us back. That is what I have been singing to you...

Belonging to a cult that worships or reverences an idol will not guarantee peace, because it is against the divine injunction.....

Comprende ??

Kobojunkie:
These folks like to major in meaningless things it seems!

Daniel 9 highlights the coming of two Anointed ones. So also does Isaiah 45. So, if we are to hyper-focus on the capitalization or none of the word Messiah in Daniel 9, is this all so we should ignore the fact that in Isaiah 45 where the one Anointed one is called by name, the second is referred to as the Lord, God — God who called Cyrus by name, also named Himself as the one to save Israel with what is everlasting salvation? So, the second Anointed one is God Himself — says so right there in Isaiah 45. .

I just ready the whole of Isaiah 45.

I don't see anything there...

It was God admonishing Cyrus to free all his captives in Babylon. Who God had earlier sent there(by his anointed Nebuchadnezzar) so that they will learn about him as the only true God.

He even about 5 times that there is no one beside him....He is the God who created the earth and humans upon it...He is the saviour and there is no saviour beside him...

So where is jesus there?

Or you just like throwing passages around as if they support your point..

MaxInDHouse:
See what i mean?
A video of someone speaking is your evidence that Jesus was created by Romans.
What a pity!

A renowned Jewish scholar speaking on the disputed Daniel 9...

If you want a proper scholarship on how jesus was created..I can do you the favour...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjKLYEo2AMk

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus of Nazareth!

Yes,
He was created by the Roman oligarchy...

terrezo2002:
This question shows you don't read the Bible yet you talk about it. There are 66 books in the Bible. How many of them was written by Paul. Besides, what Paul wrote were letters to certain people inspired by the holy spirit. If you too become a true Christian today, you can be inspired to write words of God.


I'm short what is Christianity?


What is Christianity'

Does it mean you don't know this too? Why talking about what you don't know anything about?

Please help me..

What is Christianity'?

And which of the 40k+ denomination is the right one..

But known of them is referencing jesus....

We just have to do a historical check.

Sometimes some of these things has already happened before they decided to write them down...

terrezo2002:
Not true. Christianity is not centered around Paul. Even before Paul was converted, there were Christians growing in large numbers.
The christian teaching is directly from the Holy spirit.

So what did the others write about Christianity?
Why did their "holy spirit " inspired writing not make it to the bible...


I'm short what is Christianity ?

terrezo2002:
Was it Paul that built the spiritual temple or Jesus?
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

But much of Christian theology is derived from Pauline epistle...

Why

David was a very righteous man but wasn’t selected to build the temple which was Gods house, because God wanted it to be built by a righteous without blood on his hands. Keep this in mind.

Now let’s look at Saul/Paul in which most of the theology of Christianity is based off of Paul from Tarsus . Saul before he claimed to change his life from a vision with no witnesses was a very wicked person . He had a lot of blood on his hands and not from war from war of religion.

Here is my point , why would God have Saul/Paul construct a spiritual temple with his books about how you are saved by Jesus if he had blood on his hands ? He wasn’t worthy to write any books at all,

I wouldn’t believe anything Paul wrote …. Start there

I think the anointed in Daniel 9 is Cyrus....

I will check to confirm...

guysbewise:
Daniel did not say we should go and read Isaiah, Ezekial, Jeremiah, etc to know the "ruler—the Anointed One" he was talking about. There was no ruler who was the Anointed One 2000 years ago.

If you quote me anywhere again THUNDER FIRE you wherever you are.

Be patient with him..

He has slow understanding.......he is following but at a snails pace...

Sometimes he can be an ass wipe.......

But just be patient, he surely will come round.

It is tantamount to idolatry to put our faith and hope in something or someone else apart from our creator...

He never asked any one to...

And he can't share his glory with any one else..

Very laughable ..


1.According to the Jews, who developed the concept of a Messiah, what does the word mean?

2. Prove that Jesus is a real historical character

2b. Show that the Jews have Gods or spirit mating with humans is part of their religion.

3. Which if the parameters of being a Messiah did jesus fulfil ?

These are some of the stuff I want you to cover in this thread..

A Suffering Messiah?

Weren’t there any Jews who expected the Messiah to suffer and die? The short answer is that so far as we can tell, there were not. Christians often find this hard, even impossible, to believe. They have been raised in Christian churches where it is taught that the Messiah, in fact, was supposed to suffer, and they are guided to such passages as Isaiah 53, in the OT, as proof: He was despised and rejected by others,a man of suffering and acquainted with infirmity ,Surely he has borne our infirmities.and carried our diseases yet we accounted him stricken,struck down by God, and afflicted.But he was wounded for our transgressions,crushed for our iniquities;Upon him was the punishment that made us whole,
and by his bruises, we are healed (Isaiah 53:3-5) Christians will sometimes quote these verses and then say, “See! The Messiah was predicted to suffer!” Ask them to show where in the passage the word “Messiah” occurs. They are typically stunned since in fact, the word messiah is not to be found anywhere near this passage. They would say but this sounds just like the crucifixion of Jesus! And so does Psalm 22. And Psalm 69 — in each case, look to see if the author is talking about the Messiah. In all of these passages that speak about someone suffering, they are never talking about the Messiah.

It is Israel who is God’s servant, who has suffered for the sins of the people and so brought healing. Isaiah 53 was written during the Babylonian exile when the Babylonian armies had taken the leaders of Judah hundreds of miles away and forced them to live in Babylon. Isaiah is lamenting the exile, but indicating that the suffering will bring atonement for the sins of the people, and God will restore their fortunes. He is not talking about the future Messiah.

Aaronsrod:
Are you blind as well as dumb?

He has prepared a place for us in Heaven.

We are destined to reign beside Him.

Which tailor wan sew all these white cloths for everybody ?


Abeg I need the contract....I am working on behalf of my client...Mr Tommy Hilfiger. He is a renowned designer....

Send us the size and quantity...

orisa37:
A MESSIAH IS THE ANOINTED OF GOD, LORDGOD AND THE LORD FOR SOME SALVATION.
MESSIAHS ARE PROPHETS OF GOD, JESUS AND THE APOSTLES OF CHRIST.

Solomon and David where Messiahs..
Anointed with a special oil kept in the ark of the convenant...

Not baptism...which is a Mithraic ritual...

It's Jewish creation mythology..

Every tribe has one.....

I wonder why people are fixated on the Jewish one?

terrezo2002:
Hmmm. What you are expecting is the antichrist not Jesus Christ.

This is exactly what am saying....

You guys are in big trouble...


The Messiah God will anoint has not come, and he is coming once, no idea of second coming in the Tanakh...it is when he can ensure peace, that is how they will know he is the Messiah...

Your anti Christ idea has no place in the Tanakh. Jesus was created by the Roman Catholic church to deceive...

Learn the truth and know peace..

Christians will really have themselves to blame when God eventually sends the Messiah...from the tribe of Judah..
There is no idea of an anti Messiah in the Tanakh. (Antichrist according to Christian) The Messiah God will anoint is coming to bring peace and built the 3rd temple and continue the animal sacrifices as ordained by God in the Torah. These are the same things Christian think the anti Christ is coming to do...
I think they might put them selves in arms way and become the major casualty of the coming king......
I just pray Christians learn the truth before them and embrace the creator and his divine omenani/odinani for our benefit...

Kobojunkie:
Exactly as it is written is how.

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lawani:
Persia assisted the Babylonian Jews to resettle into Palestine led by Nehemiah. Cyrus was the Persian King. They were able to settle but Rome rose and subdued the whole area including Israel/Palestine. It was because of the Roman occupation of Israel that the Jews needed a messiah son of David To rescue them from Roman rule. Many political messiahs rose and were crushed by Rome. The Romans did not allow a particular one of the messiahs to be buried because his followers will start a rumour that he has resurrected. They therefore left the body to rot in a gully. The need for a nationalist hero to save the Jews from Rome is the foundation of Christianity, though Jesus unlike other messiahs did not rise in arms against Rome as did others before and after him until Israel was sacked around AD 70 by Rome. After then the Jesus story was tinged by Grecian, Egyptian and European theology to form modern Christianity.

Well you tried in your attempt to lay a historical foundation to the whole concept of a Messiah. But what you must understand is that Messiah simply means anointed king or priest. Anointed for kingship or priest hood. It is not even a big thing. The heart and soul of the Jewish religion is the Torah...
They only longed for a king that would raise up a great army and defeat their enemy and restore peace. Such a king would be backed by God else he would not succeed.
It is the idea of a Messiah of the Jews that the Catholics used in creating the jesus character. He was created from mistranslation of the Tanakh.
The gospel stories themselves comes from ancient tales about Marduk. Marduk is the son of Enlil and the creator of the universe...but he was never a MAN.

tctrills:
Why do you believe the process would take years

It is taking millennia...

We don't have a soul

We are a soul....

Soul is the living human being..

MaxInDHouse:
Is it true that you've been begging people for money on this forum?

Hahahha

Mumu, low life..

Kobojunkie:
What explanation abeg! Na the same book you and I dey read so and the content hasn't changed for over 1500 years. So, what part do you want more understanding of apart from what is clearly written there?

How did the holy spirit impregnate Mary ?

How would you explain that to the Jewish scholars..?

I too, want to know..

MaxInDHouse:
If you're in your right senses you won't have mentioned me on this thread because i never came for you before you typed this:



So you asked for trouble but me i won't follow you into insults.

Rekhina said:



That's the hot soup you're into now because she tried to do the same with me but instantly her accusation was falsified even though i turned it into a joke. But in your own case you angrily started cursing her in the name of your useless, hopeless and worthless demons:



And Leiylau has not come to bail you out so come on speak up, have you been begging people for money on Nairaland?

So why did you not just answer the question?

When did the God of Moses say he was sending his son as a Ransome??

MaxInDHouse:
No wonder you're always antagonizing God's organization for taking the Bible seriously?

Literally..

MaxInDHouse:
Oya sorry sorry no tek vexation cover the case, Rekhina said you're a social media beggar and instead of you to face her you started cursing her in the name of a hopeless worthless and useless demon.

So that's what's on ground not stylishly using curses or insult as cover i will not follow you to that canal!

Bunkum like you....

If you had sense you would not tow that line...

Stupid Jehovah's witnesses low life