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FreeIgboho:
Those of you who fervently believe in FREE WILL, please educate me, was there ever the slightest chance that Judas would not betray Jesus?
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What I know about is freedom of choice. We make our own choices and live with the consequences.
The story says Judas betrayed Jesus. It's a story. Nothing more.
Does okonkwo have the slightest chance of sparing Ikemefuna's life?

Ken4Christ:
But the law of Moses has been abolished. It demands strict obedience to be blessed. But now, the just shall live by faith.

For instance, the law of Moses is eye for eye and tooth for tooth. That instruction is not written in our hearts. Rather, we have a new instruction which says that we should not render evil for evil but rather, overcome evil with good.

Read Matthew 5 and see a few examples of the contrast between the law of Moses and the instructions of our Lord Jesus.

So, we are not yet on the same page.

God gave one law in Sinai.

Nobody has the power to change it. It remains forever.
Jesus is a Roman construct. There is nowhere in the entire Tanakh that a prophet reported that God will impregnate another man's wife to sire a son. No where. That is the first question you should be asking.
Obey the Torah....stop following a Roman idol.

Ken4Christ:
Which point?

That God's laws are eternal.

Nobody has the power to change that.

The so called new covenant you posted is talking about writing his laws in their HEART. First time it was written on stone and paper, this time it will be written in their heart....same law. So it becomes effortless to keep and obey. Nobody is going from door to door to tell you to honor your parents or avoid adultery. God will write it in their heart......
Read the remaining part of post.
The new covenant is not a human sacrifice.....iy is the same law/Torah.

Ken4Christ:
It's not a personal idea. It's revealed in God’s Word. Prophet Jeremiah foretold of the end of the Old Covenant and the beginning of a new one:

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more - Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Thank you for proving my point.

I have keenly followed this thread and it is about time I come in to make a few contributions and set the record straight.
Firstly, Judaism and Christianity are two different religions. The holy book of the Jews is the Tanakh. It starts from Genesis Malachi. It is the Christians who refer to it as the "old testament".
Secondly, the first order of business at Nicaea was for the delegates to choose between Mithraism and Christianity. They voted to go with Christianity. This is because emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire.
Thirdly, The scripture are not I repeat are not to be taken literally. They are all allegories. We are expected to read them and learn the messages they contain..

elated177:
Neither is such spirit the spirit of any dead ancestor, zaheertyler.

Your ancestor were you in the past, you will be them in the future.

The mistake you keep making is that you keep thinking we are this body. We are not this body. This mud toy see. No we are not.
We are the God's spirit living within the body. Each of us, we are that one spirit of God experiencing life in multiple ways.
That's why I still maintain that death is an illusion. Where are you dying to? You are still in God. The spirit returns to God and becomes one with it. That is his default setting. That spirit is pure, it does not need to be saved from anything. That why when the Tanakh speaks of salvation, it is always from physical danger.....
Our ancestors is us, we are our ancestors. There is no me or I, that Is the ego speaking.

elated177:
Sonmvayina, just go ahead and teach what you want to teach.

Ok..

I am of the opinion that before creation, the only thing that existed was ONLY God. Nothing else, since he has not spoken them into existence.
Secondly, Whatever was created, was created within God. So I would not be wrong if I say human are part of God. And God is part of us. It means that God is omnipresent, meaning everywhere. So this point destroys all of maxindhouse and JW idea that God has a location.

gammarays:
]In your bid to sound enlightened you ended up portraying your ignorance.
Isaiah 53, 7:14, 11:1, 2 Samuel 7:12-16, psalm 110:1
Who told you God ended the office of the prophet with Malachi? Did He also end the office of Priests too? Everything God did then, every role is still available till today. Stop living in delusion.

Jesus Christ is the son of David as He came through the linage of David the same way the present Jews refer to themselves as children of Abraham.

Even the Jews still believe Jesus Christ came but didn't see Him as the promised Messiah because He didn't come the way they expected. Our cousins the Moslems who have a similar practice with Judaism even know Jesus as a high prophet.

I know what works in you. It's clearly visible. For you to say God ended the prophets with Malachi shows you're living in delusion. The Prophets worked with the priests and teachers and they're still available till today.

Thanks for making this thread active. Shalom

This is what you get when you take text out of context.
Macindhouse, come and see your brother. He is taking a text out of its context and passing it off as a messianic prophecy. Just like you do.

Oga, put those passages back in the sentences and read it, and come and tell me you see Jesus there.

gammarays:
Like I said you're arrogant in ignorance. God is more than existence as He's real. Man was created in His image and likeness even though He was made of Dust.
For Jesus Christ to do the redemption work, He had to take the form of Man and even died like a Man.
Man is flesh with a soul and spirit. The main man is never the body which is dust so the flesh is temporary and will perish. The main man is a spirit with a soul(consciousness) which is eternal like his Creator.

Whose plan is the bold?

Who asked for a man to die before he can forgive?
When did God say he would impregnate another man's wife to sire a son who would be sacrificed to him??

Show me, I am waiting

Ken4Christ:
The Jews have been delivered from the Law of Moses. In Christ, there is no more Jew or Gentile. Christ has made us one. There are Scripture evidence to this truth. If you want them, I will give them to you.

Where do you get all these ideas from?
Don't let idolatry blind your eyes.....
God's law is for ever...see proverbs 4:1

It is an ever lasting covenant and relationship.

Rome borrowed from Judaism and from ever religion and cult in the empire to create Christianity. Emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire......

The jews did not follow in the new religion. Because they already have a covenant with Hashem ....

Don't miss the two.

gammarays:
1. God is the universal eternal King not a Jewish Man. God is reality not a consciousness and other religions believe He is real and exist.
2. He exists as Father, Son and Spirit
3. Son came to the world for the sake of redeeming mankind. He came as a Jew to fulfil God's word as He has chosen Israel as His own right from the days of Abraham
4. He came as a Man so will urinate, eat and do other things as a Man
5. He was a wanderer because of His assignment to preach the gospel from city to city not because He couldn't afford a place to stay. He wasn't unkempt either. The crowd always besieged Him. People won't go close to someone dirty, smelling and unkept in real life

It means you don't even know what God is and is not. You still have a long way to go.
God is existence itself. God is the totality of the consciousness of the universe.....not a man or human being. Man was created from Dust, God can't be dust. It is an insult.
God gave humanity laws to keep so that they can live in peace and evolve. Not believe mundane absurdities..
Man is a creation. Not the creator.

You have a lot to unlearn....

gammarays:
[b]1. John the Baptist was a prophet and wasn't anointed physically with oil like the prophets of old

So if he was not anointed like of old, how is he a prophet? It does not mean anything in God's eyes, God has already told them how he wants his things done. Any other thing you do.....has got nothing to do with God. So, whatever John the Baptist did, was not confirmed by God. God took away the gift of prophecy after Malachi, so he can't be a prophet.

2. Jesus Christ has been foretold by David, Isaiah and other anointed prophets of old

please can you quote the places in the Jewish scriptures, I am waiting. I have read the places where Christians says Jesus is in the Tanakh, I did not s3e him there, maybe you have other places. Provide it. Talk is cheap.

3. Jesus Christ anointed by the Holy Spirit which superceded the anointing of oil Acts 10:38

Does not count, that is not what God ordained and is passed down from the prophet. There is no provision by God in his laws about being anointed by a spirit. That is not how it works. The priest will pour the oil and God will send his spirit to the person. So,

4. A Messiah in the real Hebrew context is an anointed deliverer serving in the position of prophet, priest and king. Jesus is called the Son Of David as was prophesied in the old testament. David operated as Prophet, priest and king in his time and was the only one to do so in the old testament. Jesus operated in same.

How is Jesus the son of David if the "Wholly spirit" is his father. He has no blood relation to David. Just how? The Messiah is a man, not divine in any way. That is anointed by a special oil to the service of God. God is not the Messiah. Makes no sense. God can't anoint himself, to his own service. Jesus is not the Messiah.

5. Idolatry is the worship of any god aside God the father. The major problem the Jews had against Jesus is they didn't understand He was the begotten of God and the Messiah who would come even though they had knowledge He'll come. He just came in the way they didn't expect as He's to liberate the entire world not just the Jews.

He is not. He is not anything. There is nowhere in their account where it says so. It is what you Christians are claiming, not the Jews. The Messiah God promised them is a man that will liberate them from their enemies and restore peace. He is not coming to die for sins.

6. Real Christianity is never Idolatry as we worship the true God. [/b]

No, it is the worship of a man as God. It breaks God's second commandments. It is idolatry. God has no physical body or form. Jesus is an idol created by Edom(Rome)

Ken4christ, Judaism and Christianity are two different religions. Christianity is not derived from Judaism.
The isrealites have a covenant with God with has to do with them obeying his laws and statues. The Roman/Greek who created Christianity don't have any...they used information gotten from the Jewish laws to create their religion and proceeded to super glued it to the Jewish scriptures....to give it some credibility.
God's laws is for ever.

OT2024:
The Bible never specifically says that Adam and Eve ate an apple.


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What the Bible actually says

In Genesis 2–3, the story describes:

God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil."

They were tempted by the serpent and ate the fruit from this tree.

The type of fruit is not mentioned anywhere in the text.



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So why do people say “apple”?

The idea that the fruit was an apple comes from later Western art, literature, and tradition.

The Latin word for apple, malum, is very close to the Latin word for evil, malus — this pun may have influenced the association.

In medieval Europe, the apple was a common and symbolic fruit, so artists used it to depict the forbidden fruit.

Other cultures and traditions suggest different fruits like figs, pomegranates, or even wheat.



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Bottom line:

The Bible says “fruit” but does not specify an apple.

The apple is a popular symbolic choice, but the actual fruit is unknown.

It was an apple. End of story.

If you don't get it, forget about it

elated177:
Sonmvayina, how do you mean?

I mean, before creation appeared, what things existed ?

1. Only God
2. God and .......list them...

This is like abolishing God.

Nobody has the right to abolish God's laws. It is for ever. Even when the real Messiah comes, he will be very versatile in it. That is what he will use to judge among nations.

Who is man?

Or

What is man?

Because your understanding of the nature of man will be paramount in making sense of what you posted.
Please, let us start from there...

Jesus can be anything to Christians.

There is no description of Jesus in the Bible, because he never existed. He could be yellow like the Simpsons or white like the Griffins....

The creator of the Jesus character, painted him white....who am I to argue with them?

The word Messiah means an anointed king. Somebody anointed to the service of God. As part of their coronation, they are anointed with a special oil usually kept inside the ark of the covenant. The oil is usually administered by a priest.
Was Jesus anointed? NO
Is Jesus the Messiah? No

Then why are Christians not waking up to the deception? Why are they not seeing the idolatry in their action?

We should have passed out his stage....No time again

Let us assume for once that jesus actually existed.
And you also was alive during that time....

If somebody pointed to you. Hey gammarays, look at God...He is going behind that bush to urinate.....
You are going to throw up at the sight, because what you will see is a man, so unkept, who has not had a bath in weeks, with long un cut nails and sand underneath it. Smelling mouth/mouth odor......and a wanderer with no home and lies down on bushes to sleep.

You go throw way spit. ..you won't even mind him. But now, the story was brought to you hundreds of years later, you swallowed it without a single thought....

God is not a man or a son of man...God is the universal divine consciousness....not a Jewish man up in the sky.

Speaklove:
What would you have done If you were in this nairalander's shoe ?

She saw a purse that has 40 thousands naira in it and returned it to the owner while she herself was in need .
At the end; people criticised her for doing so .

Would you have done the same or otherwise ?

What the guy did is perfectly in order, but what I find confusing is the response of the first person in your screen shot.
This kind of story always helps to restore my hope in human. Keep em coming...

DeOTR:
Explain to you as how? I'm not responsible for your blindness mate.
Codedly dodge to answer why God has to kill an innocent animal for Adam and Eve?
If God doesn't need sacrifice, why did he reject that of Cain anyways, since according to your wisdom, the bit of God in us can't make us go wrong?
Oga, for every of your disobedience, there's a consequence, except of course, you're not arguing from the biblical point of view in which case I won't bother to waste more time with you.

I was specific "human sacrifice"
God said he hates human sacrifice, why are you advising him to accept it after he said multiple times that it is an abomination.
So if God killed an animal to clothe Adam and Eve, what is the purpose of another sacrifice? Your comparison is flawed.
God gave the Jews, the animal that can be sacrificed , where and by whom. There is no where he appointed Roman soldiers to carry out human sacrifice on his behalf. It is a pagan ideology anyway.....you know it, but the indoctrination has tap root already. You are finding it hard to believe that you have wasted your whole life believing a lie.

elated177:
Only the Creator of the Earth can influence and control the natural phenomena of the Earth. He created them, he made the rules that govern them and they are, therefore, subject to him and his designated servants.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

What existed before creation?

Please work with me, I want to establish something.

Prayer is a waste of time....and Energy.
For God's sake, we are Gods just having a human experience...make declarations and it will be established.
Why waste your time begging yourself. Speak your reality into existence....work towards it.

Not declare and go and sit down.....the universe does not work like that. And for more result. Go directly to God like he asked, loose the "in Jesus name" or the "Through Christ".....God warned us about going to him through subordinate, he is more closer to us then we think......
For better result, use Alligator pepper..(ose oji), it does not walk the walk of shame...

Thank you.

SeraphEl:
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Ok. If you say so. Your choice entirely. Will not argue with you on existence of Christ which by the way has solid numerous historical validity both of secular and of Jewish sources.

Listen, Read and move along then unless you have question on particular content of post. At least on judgement day, you cannot say "you did not know".

I can only answer to Yahweh for my part in being obedient to post what I have been given. You are solely responsible for your response to what I post.

You were indoctrinated with a lie and you think it is the truth? You really think if there was really power in the name of Jesus, the Europeans will give it to you?
The Jews have a covenant with God. And it does not involve a human sacrifice or a demi god. Read the Torah and keep your creators commandments.....stop the idolatry.

SeraphEl:
Did you actually read anything I have been posting? Luke 24.27 Christ plainly tells you the entire scripture from Genesis is about HIM.

You asking for passages highly reveal you haven't actually read the bible at all. Else you will not be asking for references.

Listen, move along. Tell the devilish spirit worrying you that I do not want argument on this post. Please don't derail this thread. Thank you.

Ok in not more than two paragraphs show me how the Tanakh points to Jesus, with passages .you can't just through statements with reckless abandon.

DeOTR:
Jesus not being needed for anything is your personal opinion.
Maybe you missed the part where God had to make coverings for the fallen Adam and Eve. Did you think the animal was skinned alive? Man, an innocent animal was sacrificed for that purpose. Without shedding of blood, there's no remission of sin. Actions and inactions have consequences. [s]Someone has to pay the price once and for all [/s]and if you don't see all the events in the old testament pointing to Jesus Christ, I'm sorry wasting my time with you.

Are you advising God?
That he has to accept a human as sacrifice so that this your "someone has to pay the price once and for all" will be in order?
God says, confess and forsake, I will forgive and remember your sins no more, you want to advice him to accept a human sacrifice....

You really can't tell that you have been received?

Why does God need a human sacrifice for? Please explain to me...

Abel has a father and a mother.. but the story says Jesus only has a mother is father is a god.

Only Greek and Romans mythology have that kind of stories, not the Jews. So Jesus is a Greek/Roman creation. He never existed in this physical realm......
Nobody is coming from anywhere to save or rapture you. Your life is your responsibility, the only thing the Torah does is to teach us to make better choices and make us better human beings, by so doing bring heaven to earth. If you really understand it, you won't link the J-man to it.

SeraphEl:
Re: sonmvayina, the poster above.

All of scripture makes it clear that satan was the same serpent present from of old.

ALL of scripture makes it clear Yeshua was there in the beginning and HE was really the basis of the Law and was revealed in various characters through out Israel's history. "....and HE began from the Torah and the prophets and the Psalms showing the disciples all things written concerning HIM". Luke 24.27.

I do not really consider myself 'Christian' by today's semantics, understanding and practices.

I follow THE WAY. Yeshua is the WAY. Yeshua is the living TORAH. Yeshua said so HIMSELF.



The adversarial nature of Israel and her natural enemies was foreshadowing the spiritual Israel (the church) and her spiritual enemies (the devil). The 1st covenant initiated by Moses foreshadowed Christ and was entirely physical rituals, animal sacrifices and laws written on stone. The 2nd covenant initiated by Christ brought better covenant of HIS own blood, with modified laws, yet the same laws now being written in hearts of flesh.

Even now, much of prophetic scriptures wrote about two main things: 1. the 1st coming of Christ as ethnic Israel's deliverer. 2. the 2nd coming of Christ as ALL Israel's deliverer (all believers in Christ are today's Israel).

I do not blame you for NOT seeing Christ in these types and shadows. THIS is only something the Spirit of Yahweh reveals and illuminates.

I pray that Yahweh touch your heart and that you return to the right path in HIM.

All you posted are all your opinions. I don't need them. Give me scriptural references.
I don't want to hear your opinion. Give me scriptures.....to read. Let me read them. I want scriptures from the Torah or Tanakh.....not the Christian propaganda. Thank you

The only war remaining now is the Gog and Magog war.
The real Messiah will appear afterwards and many will go to the Jews to teach them their way and about their God'.
The only reason NASA wants Ukraine to continue with the Russia war, was to weaken Russia. They know Russia has a big role to play in the end of end of things. Funny enough, God is protecting Russia for a reason, to destroy America (Lucifer) she will be destroyed. Marduk shall destroy her finally, because she is a deceiver. The Roman empire...the Roman church and America will go and a new era of world peace will ensue....

No wonder they don't want to release the third secret of Fatima.

FYI there is no such thing like an anti Messiah. Don't be lead astray.

Through anything. That's why I got my ears to the ground to listen..
Wisdom and understanding is key.

I was invited to a reunion party in Benin some few years ago. I really did not want to go, I just wanted to stay home and relax that weekend.
When I wanted to watch the early kick off of the premier league, my wife took the remote from me and said I should go, and no TV for me as she wants to watch "woman of steal" on Telemundo. I decided to go...
I had not taken more than 5 steps out of my gates, I saw a snake, it crawled from one side of the road to the other side . I stood all these while. After wards, I took two more steps and it crawled back and stopped at the centre and was eating some ants . I just went back to my house and told my wife what happened, she said I should join her to watch the Telemundo. Which I did.
Later that evening, when I went to see how the party went on our Whatsapp forum, that when I heard there was a fight and some people went home with broken heads and arms. Them never still rest for "wetin be your colour " matter, After how many years.
When I should my wife....she was taking God, me I understood what God was telling me through the snake....I just said "Chineke Daalu" out softly.