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Gabrielshow24:
Well said Dtruthspeaker.
Death is the conceptual consequence of sin. It doesn't cure the actor of such sin. Thus, even if he is "acquitted"👀 by death, his life still hangs in the balance and subject to God's judgement.

Man is God's breath plus body made of dust. If a man experiences "death" it means God takes his breath and the body is buried.
What exactly is judged? Is it God's spirit or breath or the body that is buried. I really want to hear your explanation.

gammarays:
You're still creating confusion for yourself. In the context is "Him" or "He" which is an entity.
He was punished for our transgressions means an entity was punished for other people's sins. How can you now interpret it as them punishing Israel on behalf of God?

By His stripes or wound we were made whole or healed. Between the afflicted and the punisher according to your explanation, who should be made whole or healed? This shows you lack understanding.
According to the context, there's an entity "Him" and a group of people "we". What occurred is an exchange where the "He" took upon himself the transgressions, afflictions, sins, sickness of the "we".

First you acknowledged Israel sinned or so they thought. How come you concluded Israel was innocent? So they punished Israel by mistake 😂
According to history it was correct that Israel sinned and was punished by God. How can you conclude they were wrongly punished by those kings and you even said they were acting on behalf of God. They knew God's counsel of Judgement for them to embark on that task of punishment. How come you conclude by saying they now realise it was a mistake? Where did the error come from? God was with Israel yet the same God was punishing same Israel through them?
A victor or oppressor now needs healing or satisfaction instead of the conquered or oppressed?
Confusion at it's peak 😯

Ok, simple question,

In your opinion, who do you think was talking in Isaiah 53? From verse 1.
Who is the "we " and what did they hear?

gammarays:
Sorry I was flagged so couldn't reply earlier. I said initially that's a prophecy foretold of Jesus Christ. It was repeated in Isaiah 9:6

You're lying already. Isaiah mentioned a virgin not a prophetess which was later fulfilled.

Okay explain to us about Isaiah 53:5

I have taken the liberty to paste the direct translation from Hebrew to English. This is what it says.
"5 But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed."

Like I said before, Isaiah 53 is a soliloquy. It is what the kings of the earth will say when they witness the salvation of Israel. They thought it was God that was punishing Israel through them. They were healed(satisfied )when they saw that they were inflicting pain on Israel for nothing and God was with them all along.
All these will happen as they know and hear now that Israel was innocent of all the crimes they had labelled against them.
Verse 1. Who has believed what we have heard(the salvation of Israel).

Do you get it now?

Context is key.

gammarays:
Sorry I was flagged so couldn't reply earlier. I said initially that's a prophecy foretold of Jesus Christ. It was repeated in Isaiah 9:6

You're lying already. Isaiah mentioned a virgin not a prophetess which was later fulfilled.

Okay explain to us about Isaiah 53:5

Isaiah 7 speaks of an "Almah" which means a young woman, which is In reference to the young prophetess and was also Isaiahs wife or concubine. The child she was carrying is Isaiah's son. Before the child know how to choose between good and evil the two kings will be deserted. Read it to verse 16. Why stop at 14?
Isaiah 9:6 is about a child that has already been born. The son has already been given. As a matter of fact, he was 6 years old when Isaiah wrote those. He was referring to future king Hezekiah. Who was already born. Not a child that will be born 700+ years into the future. You really need to learn your comprehension and your tenses.

FreeIgboho:
Folks, please forgive us but we have a serious problem that we hope you can help us resolve. Please observe the scenario below. No matter how we configure it we arrive at the same conclusion: there is no such thing as freewill. This has led us to helplessness, hopelessness, and depression. Please is there ANY WAY we can configure this so there's space for freewill. (Please disregard for now the assumption that God already knows everything you'll ever do - that's story for another day)

Here's the scenario:

A child is born, he has no hand in anything he was given including his very brain, personality, circumstances of birth, experiences, etc. His brain starts working immediately, gathering info and programming itself, all independent of his input. Based on these info, thoughts appear in the child's consciousness without his input and based on these thoughts he takes actions. These are his thoughts and he has no real power to override them. And even if he could, he'd still override them with thoughts that come from the same brain processes he has no control over. This continues all life long - his thoughts, intentions, and feelings appear from processes within his brain that he's not even aware of talkless of controlling.
Please can you find us space for freewill in all this OR can you please tell us where freewill can come from? Feel free to use AI.
Thanks.



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All your premise are wrong . We need to address that first.

oridavid:
So you think everything in the Torah is true? Is that what you're saying?

It is God's law.
How true can something be?

It is the truest of the true.

MaxInDHouse:
Mr Reincarnation i'm not talking to you!

Stop spreading false hold and misleading people. Or better still stop commenting of topics you know nothing about.

MaxInDHouse:
This your Abel Damina has condemned most of your pastors and many of you have called him names for that but now that he wants to talk about Jesus being God you're celebrating him.
Please how many of his church members are out there preaching from house to house and door to door just as Jesus commanded all his disciples?
Well Jesus has said about you people:

"This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me.  It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines." Matthew 15:8-9

Jehovah's Witnesses are worshipers of the God who sent Jesus because Jesus himself said:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

So Jesus is one of our brothers we all worship the same God Jesus is not our God!

Your two quotes are contradictory.
Did you notice it?

Or should I point it out for you?

MaxInDHouse:
Death is the direct opposite of life so at death man returns to oblivion!

Death is the direct opposite of birth.

Life is all there is. Just like time.

confusedlady:
If you have been into so many religious denominations and churches before becoming Agnostic as you claim then it is still possible for you to retrace your footsteps and in a full 360 degree turn around return into religion. You appear unstable but there is still hope for you. Jesus loves you.
Good morning.

You are still not getting the point.
Would you be willing to embrace Islam? If no why not.
The same way you see Islam as a scam is same way we see Christianity as a scam. They have nothing to offer anybody. They were only created to control the minds of feeble men.

confusedlady:
It doesn't matter the names of who wrote the Gospels. The importance is to grasp the messages therein.
How does the message in the gospels touch your heart and how do you utilise the message in your life as a Christian.

1. What is the gospel message?
2. If it is about the message, does Jesus have to exist?

I just love the passage quoted by Anti Christian . It really captures what I want to say.

I was in my office on Tuesday last week and one of my colleagues was telling us about the poor health of his father and blamed it on demons and devils. I was forced to ask her,what kind of God she worshipped. She was still using God and devil in one statement. I had to explain to her the thing she was missing.
God is sovereign OVER all his creation. They only do what he has created them to do. Nothing more nothing less. Both the good and bad spirit belongs to God. All the Angels and demons are God's property.

I can only stick my head out for the Torah.
All other are just foot notes or outright cow shut.
The Torah walks with us on a journey of self discovery and shows us what really matters. It teaches us on how to achieve a higher consciousness.

All the book after the place marked "New testament" are not worth the paper they are written. You will do well to disregard them.

Man is the form through which God experiences his creation. We are Gods experiencing the physical world. What we call death is just God leaving the body that was made from dust. It becomes one with the source and the body is buried for it to become like dust... because that is what was used to make it in the first place. It is like somebody taking off his cloths. So, there is really nothing like death, it is an illusion.
God's spirit returns to the source waiting for another opportunity to return to earth or moving on to experience other dimensions.
We are all the image and likeness of God. We are not a drop in the ocean, we are the ocean in one drop.
If jesus actually existed, he is no different from us. Well, but he belongs to the realm of mythology.

Depending on the gospel you read. Mathew, Mark and Luke all describe a one year ministry for Jesus. That is from the baptism to the cruxifiction was a one year ministry. Only Johns was a 3 years ministry. So another problem arises, did Jesus do the things he did in one year or 3 years. Well it's all fiction anyway. The writers were making up things as they moved along.

DeepSight:
You made this up.

It is the seeker that always denies the truth, the truth has never denied the seeker.....

When you really dig deeper, you will find what I found too...

FreeIgboho:
sonmvayina please explain how Romans would create a God that destroyed all their cherished gods and reduced their god-emperor to a common sinner needing forgiveness and salvation

Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire. The first order of business for the delegates at Nicaea was to choose between Mithraism and Christianity (the worship of serapis) . They voted to go with Christianity.
Then and there they formulated the Nicaean creed.
Constantine asked Eusebius to prepare a uniform document from the scriptures they have scattered across the empire. He was the one who combine the different stories into one uniform document. Jesus in the gospel is a composite of various figures.
The history of the church was written by Eusebius the master forger.

SIRTee15:
WHY SPEAKING FOR HIM, LET HIM COME OUT AND DEFEND HIMSELF.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, U ARE STUCK WITH ISAIAH 53.
U DON'T BELIEVE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SO I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY U HERE.

UNTIL YOU TELL ME WHO THE ANCIENT JEWISH RABBIS THINK ISAIAH 53 IS ABOUT....I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE U HAVE NO IDEA WHAT U WORSHIP.

That should be your focus.

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant.
8 times prior to Isaiah 53, Isaiah told you who the servant is. For example in Isaiah 45:1-7, with attention to verse 4 it says

4 For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me.

So why will it mean something else 8 chapters later. Why would God lie? You don't seem to get it do you? You really don't want to learn. Isaiah 53 is a soliloquy. This is what the kings of the earth will say when they see the redemption of Israel. It is the kings of the earth that is talking......
You really need to learn it.

SIRTee15:
DID THE GOSPEL PREDATE PAUL'S LETTERS OR PAUL'S LETTERS PREDATE THE GOSPEL?

WAS THERE ANY GOSPEL EXISTENCE PRIOR TO PAUL'S LETTERS?

IF U ARE CONFIDENT ENOUGH OF YOUR SO CALLED KNOWLEDGE...ANSWER THE QUESTION

All the so called authentic Paulina where written before any of the gospels..... according to scholars. The first book of the new testament to be written is 1st Thessalonia....

The gospel came much later.

A religion founded on human sacrifice....
An abomination in the sight of the creator of all.
The idea of vicarious atonement is absurd.
Every man must bear his sin and its consequences.
The prophets echoed it....

Why would a God who abhores and forbid murder of any kind, ask for a human sacrifice? Thou shall not kill, he says.
Out of our strong heartedness he approve animal sacrifice....but the animal must be blameless.
What he actually desires is a broken spirit. He would not spurn.

Human sacrifice is a pagan practice. And j.man did not qualify as a kosher animal.


Come to your creator with a contrite heart and a broken spirit....he will forgive.

The idea

Steep:
Paul is not a real person? What a dunce! You can as well say Christopher Columbus is not a real person.

Well, I know the truth is hard to swallow sometimes. But it is what it is. Paul is also a creation of the Roman church. It is just an attempt to put the origin of Christianity in Palestine. But scholars know it originated from Egypt as the worship of serapis.
Apolinius of tyna actually existed, but the Paul of the Bible, not so much.
May be you have to rethink the garbage they have fed you for a long time

FreeIgboho:
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Jesus is not God. Jesus is a creation of the Roman empire/çatholic Church on the order of emperor Constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire.
Gof is the universal divine consciousness. Not a man or a human being. People talk about the Christ consciousness, I really don't know what it means.

CreatedtwoRule:
Chrysostom-- who must be ibo man from the way the name sounds.

Lol.
He is one of the church fathers. He and later Eusebius where the brain behind much of the forging going on.

Ken4Christ:
Take your time, read the Bible chapter by chapter, verse by verse and you will understand the doom that awaits everyone who reject Jesus.

I have and that's is how I discovered that Jesus is an idol created by Edon(Rome) with the purpose to deceive. You fell for it. I figured it out a long time ago..
You are stock with believe and threat. It is high time you read to understand, not read to believe. You clearly don't understand what you are reading. So you resort to believing. If you know, if you really know what God is and is not, you will cry for all the time you wasted believing absurdities.
Wake up from the programming.

Goosethetruth:
Paul formerly known as Saul at around AD33-AD36 had an epiphany on the road to Damascus.
Acts 9:35

At this point in his life Paul realised
1. Jesus is his Lord.
2.Jesus is alive
3. Persecution of believers is persecution of Jesus who is his Lord.

4. Jesus is the son of God risen in power. He is not just a messiah,he is also a son of God made more powerful by resurrection.

5. Jesus is a crucified saviour.
1st Corinthians 1:23-25.
Romans 3:24-26.
Galatians 2:20

6. Jesus is a cosmic creator.
1st Corinthians 8:6
1st Colossians 1:15-17


7. Jesus is the new Adam.
Romans 5:18-19.
1st Corinthians 15:45

8. Jesus is the mediator and intercessor.
2nd Corinthians 5:19


Paul's view of Jesus which were later copied and embellished by the nameless writers of the gospels were the following facts;
1. Jesus is the risen son of God.
2. Jesus is divine Lord.
3.Jesus is a crucified saviour.
4. Jesus is a cosmic creator.
5.Jesus is the new Adam.
6.Jesus is a heavenly intercessor.
7. Jesus lives within every believer.

Paul's Jesus was never on earth. It is thosr who edited and redacted it

Goosethetruth:
First of all,none of the names on the four gospels in the Bible are the names of the writers of those books!
Mathew,Mark,Luke and John are not the names of the writers of those books. These names are pseudonyms of the unknown writers of those books.
None of these nameless writers were witnesses to the gospel stories they wrote about nor were they followers of Jesus.
Jesus himself did not write a single word in any shape or form about his work.
The writers of these gospels simply relied on oral traditions, myths, and the letters of Paul formerly known as Saul to create the content in their stories.

They used several sources like the writings of Josephus and ancient tales about Marduk....

I don't think Paul was a real person too. The works attributed to Paul are all works of Apolinius of tyna. It was edited probably by John chysostom.

Ken4Christ:
Ok. Remain in your unbelief. Your brain will reset on judgment day but it will be too late.

I suspect fear as the basis for your hasty conclusion. There are many things you need to understand. You are still in the believe stage.

Ken4Christ:
Your unbelief will be your undoing.

Belief in absurdities ?

Did God ever tell us to believe anything?

When he has endowed us with a brain to know.
I choose to have knowledge of God rather than faith .I have not turned back since then.

gammarays:
Why not tell us the person that passage is referring to if not Jesus Christ?

Put Isaiah 7:14 into its proper context. And read the whole narrative. It is about a war. The northern 10 tribes and Syria formed an alliance. They wanted to go to Judah and put somebody as king who will be loyal to them. When king Ahaz heard about it, he was scared Then God sent Isaiah to him to tell him that whatever they are planning will not work or come to pass, he was still agitated and Isaiah told him to ask God for a sign that would assure him of his that his kingdom will not fall. He said he can't , and he does not want to put God to a test. But God on his own part said he would give him a sign, and that "This young woman (pointing to the prophetess ) is with child. He would give birth to a son and she( the prophetess ) would call his name Immanuel. And before the child learns the good and not evil, those two kingdom will be deserted.

That is what happened.........


There is no Jesus there ...

Gabrielshow24:
👯 is this coming from your "Universal" God that keeps spawning himself 👀 without "ever" achieving his goal🤨? definitely, something is not just right! 😂😂😂

I don't understand..

Whose goal? Whose spawn?

FreeIgboho:
Actually you THINK you have freedom of choice but it has been scientifically proven you don’t!

Scientific?

I don't understand. I can choose to do what I want to do. Who is stopping me?

Ken4Christ:
No, Jesus is not a Roman idol. He is the Messiah. He fulfilled over 300 prophecies in the Old Testament. Even Prophet Daniel predicted the exact year of his death. Not a single human on earth has fulfilled written prophecies like Jesus did.

The Romans were the one who killed him with conspiracy from the chief priests and elders in Israel. But thank God he is alive. And you are the evidence that Jesus lives. Your birth, events are all cited with reference to Jesus. It's either BC or AD. You don't know the date you were born if not for Jesus. Jesus is Lord. If you don't accept him as your Lord and Saviour, you will meet him as your judge. And your final destination will be the Lake of fire. So, repent before it's too late.

Jesus did not fulfil even 1 of the messianic prophecy. He did not fulfil anyone.
The Messiah is a man like me and you, who will be anointed with oil by a priest to the service of God. Not a demi god.

The Jews don't have the idea of god mating with women. It is the Hallmark of Greek/Roman mythology.
There are so many things that are not just right.