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MuttleyLaff:
"The life of every living thing is in the blood,
and that is why the LORD has commanded that all blood be poured out on the altar to take away the people's sins.
Blood, which is life, takes away sins."
- Leviticus 17:11

The shedding of animal blood only provides forgiveness. It doesnt reconcile or redeem souls back to God. The blood of animals was only capable of facilitating forgiveness. It didnt reconcile man, back to God. It is the shedded blood of Jesus that reconciled man back to God. Jesus' purpose on earth was to be the Lamb of God taken to slaughter for the sin of the world. Redemption, reconciliation and/or the restoration of friendly relations with God, came through the shedded blood of Jesus.

read this and tell me what you think

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism%27s_view_of_Jesus

MuttleyLaff:
You at one time or the other, will have to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour. You will have to at one time or the other acknowledge that Jesus is God and that you believe in Him. If you tick the boxes, you, at the very least, get a free pass to the kingdom of Heaven

Lol.. So it also comes with conditions.. Meaning it did not work or it is a failure..

Get sense, is God a man or a human being?.. Number 23:19...

MuttleyLaff:
"The life of every living thing is in the blood,
and that is why the LORD has commanded that all blood be poured out on the altar to take away the people's sins.
Blood, which is life, takes away sins."
- Leviticus 17:11

The shedding of animal blood only provides forgiveness. It doesnt reconcile or redeem souls back to God. The blood of animals was only capable of facilitating forgiveness. It didnt reconcile man, back to God. It is the shedded blood of Jesus that reconciled man back to God. Jesus' purpose on earth was to be the Lamb of God taken to slaughter for the sin of the world. Redemption, reconciliation and/or the restoration of friendly relations with God, came through the shedded blood of Jesus.

OK, let us for the purpose of argument assume that the blood of Jesus was necessary.. So it means everybody irrespective of actions will all go to heaven.. Is it..?

Dtruthspeaker:
When you learnt that you could die by various means and ways, did you Truthfully restrict it to physical things alone, especially being a kid born in Nigeria?

How do spiritual things harm?

MuttleyLaff:
"The life of every living thing is in the blood,
and that is why the LORD has commanded that all blood be poured out on the altar to take away the people's sins.
Blood, which is life, takes away sins."
- Leviticus 17:11

The shedding of animal blood only provides forgiveness. It doesnt reconcile or redeem souls back to God. The blood of animals was only capable of facilitating forgiveness. It didnt reconcile man, back to God. It is the shedded blood of Jesus that reconciled man back to God. Jesus' purpose on earth was to be the Lamb of God taken to slaughter for the sin of the world. Redemption, reconciliation and/or the restoration of friendly relations with God, came through the shedded blood of Jesus.

Where did you get this from?.. When did God start accepting human sacrifice?.

He called it an abomination

budaatum:
What is God, Sonm?

The creator of the Universe..

MuttleyLaff:
Forgiveness, doesnt mean a price has been paid. The purpose is to reconciliation

I laugh in Aramaic at you saying that Jesus is useless in the whole equation. It betrays a glaring lack of understanding correctly the whole essence of why God had to come to earth, why it was necessary that its Him who had to come, why God had to die, why et cetera

Jesus Christ is not an idol. Jesus Christ, is God incarnate. I am sure, you're intelligent enough to understand what that means and/or implies

Where did you get that idea from?.. Old testament quotes please..

MuttleyLaff:
Forgiveness, doesnt mean a price has been paid. The purpose is to reconciliation

I laugh in Aramaic at you saying that Jesus is useless in the whole equation. It betrays a glaring lack of understanding correctly the whole essence of why God had to come to earth, why it was necessary that its Him who had to come, why God had to die, why et cetera

Jesus Christ is not an idol. Jesus Christ, is God incarnate. I am sure, you're intelligent enough to understand what that means and/or implies

There is just no where in the entire old testament where the plan was hatched.. No where,

Why should a god die?

budaatum:
So you wrongly believe.

I don't think so.. Your problem is you are still yet to figure out what God is and is not...

Dtruthspeaker:
That is what I was doing to Sonny until he did not want to participate anymore.

I dey here oh... My ba3 died.. I had to charge it..

MuttleyLaff:
"¹⁸“Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they will be as white as snow; though they are as red as crimson, they will become like wool.
¹⁹If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the best of the land"
- Isaiah 1:18-19

"Getting wisdom is the wisest thing you can do!
And whatever else you do, develop good judgment."
- Proverbs 4:7

"Wisdom is a shelter as money is a shelter, but the advantage of knowledge is this:
Wisdom preserves those who have it"
- Ecclesiastes 7:12

Christianity, sure will prefer, you leave your brains at home when you participate in its organised set ups, but the bible will always invite you to come and reason (i.e. Isaiah 1:18a)

Proverbs 4:7 articulates it, as much as, Ecclesiastes 7:12 above does, if not better.

If sins where forgiven at the time of Isaiah, what is the purpose of Jesus?..

That is my purpose for this thread..
If, we truly have the knowledge of God as we claim, then it is so glaring that Jesus is useless in the whole equation.. An Idol at worst that God never planed or ordered..

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes, you have taken care of the physical ones that you have seen like everyone else is doing, but now, it is Reported that This Dangerous Person Can not be seen, would you be concerned about a danger which you can not see?

How can something that has no matter harm me, do you believe ghost can harm people, exactly how?

WINNERSMOG:
I have no words for you my friend. We don’t believe the same way so it will be a waste of time arguing with you. I have made this clear to you in the past- it will be like a traditional worshipper trying to convince me that Sango is God. There is freedom of belief, enjoy it my friend. But I must tell you that without faith in God you cannot get ANYTHING from God.

Lol... So God will punish me for obeying his commandment..?

chukemmang:
Your Marduk and eledumare and others are dead on arrival as they are adapted from the Sumerian texts.

I have never heard of the Enuma Elish. Let me go research on that then give my inference.

Please do... Very interesting..

chukemmang:
From all accounts of the Sumerian texts, there was no mention of the creation of the universe by the Anunnaki's or them creating the vegetation or the animals walking the surface of the Earth.

I can assume they met every other thing on Earth but only man was their making through their advanced knowledge in cloning and bio-engineering.

So from this, I can say that the Anunnaki's are not God (The Creator of the Universe). The Sumerian texts, The Book of Enoch and The Bible has made us worship and reverence extraterrestrial beings from another planet or Galaxy.

These books have misled us into worshipping the creatures rather than worship the true God (The Creator of everything), whom we don't still know yet even after hundreds of thousands of years.

This leads back to my topic and question, Who Is God (The Creator of the Universe)

Asper the bold, Marduk, Eledumare, chukwu, Ra, Vishnu... Etc.. All different nomenclature of the same thing.

Read the enuma Elish, it details the creation of the Universe by Marduk.. And how he gave each God their station and domain.

budaatum:
Why do you ask? Is it because you want to know like they do?

They have responded, adequately, I must say, yet you sound like a high school grad asking a seasoned surgeon how to hold a scalpel, though I'm sure you know the many years of training you need to go through before you become a surgeon.

Good thread though, if you could stick to the premise of it, and try to understand the answers you get.

So you tell me what you got from what they have said so far?.. I am waiting..

budaatum:
You are not actually currently hearing what is being said here, sonm. Both said they know instead of believing, yet you still accuse them of being mere believers then you ask them to prove to you what they know.

Maybe come back to the thread when you can hear and can understand.

What's your own take on the discussion?.. I can see you are eager to contribute..

Dtruthspeaker:
Many!

1) He is Very Great indeed!
2) He is Very Good indeed
3) He is Who He Says He is


I can go on and on!

Are you referring to superman... All these can also apply to him..

1. He is Very Great.. He used the moon to block the sun to defeat the nuclear man in super man 4.
2.he is very good indeed.. He saved the president from general zod in superman 2
3. He said he is superman.

Dtruthspeaker:
Ok!

I only said, if you heard or it is reported that there is a Dangerous Person Who Could kill you, would you look into it?

Yes oh, my house is fenced and I use iron gates too.. Who be the person.. I get my shakabula with two mouth...
Tell me who be the person..

budaatum:
You are not actually currently hearing what is being said here, sonm. Both said they know instead of believing, yet you still accuse them of being mere believers then you ask them to prove to you what they know.

Maybe come back to the thread when you can hear and can understand.

I was asking them what they know about their god.... What knowledge do they hold about it?

Dtruthspeaker:
Right!

Now, while you are still watching out for the things and persons that could kill you and while you avoided them all, it was finally Told You or Brought to your attention that There is One Great and Mighty Person, Who No One Can See, Who can Kill you, While you shall not be able to even hurt Him, is it not reasonable that you are going to Put Him in Your Watchlist?

Whaaaaaaat?

I don't watch nollywood movies.... Who be the person?

What if the Vatican come out now and says they invented Jesus and ask for forgiveness for misleading people... What would you do?

Kobojunkie:

EOD

Dtruthspeaker:
Good question.

It is settled then that you do not want to die.

Now, If you do not want to die, is it not reasonable to study as best as you can and identify as far as you can, those things and persons you have seen who can Kill you or cause you death or bring death to you?

Yes.. I choose life..

Kobojunkie:
we have already been through this loop now...

You did not provide any answer..

spartan117:
Firstly I want to categorically state that Satan is in no way the opposite of God, he is too small to be compared to God. When there was war in heaven it wasn't between him and God but between angels led by the arch angel Michael and fallen angels led by Satan. We all know how that war ended.
Therefore I fail to see any part of my post that will make you perceive otherwise.

Secondly Satan is not and can never be in the same team as God. Please correct yourself.

Have a blessed day.

Lol.. OK.

Kobojunkie:
i didn't come on this thread or any to debate the basis with anyone who does not claim to worship the same God I do.

You are free to serve whatever God you choose.

Which God do you serve.. What knowledge do you hold of this God. That's all I was inquiring of you.. Nobody is debating..


You really don't know anything about your God.. You are just a follow follow..

Dtruthspeaker:
And this is the first lesson, for you have just done and admitted doing what in truth is a Be and Live.

For one, I am sure you can remember your own experience that Warned you and Taught You that if you do not breath you shall surely die, especially as a child, when one Idiot choked you in the name of play and you struggled for breath and you remember screaming "do you want to kill me?"

That experience is Your Be, for it gave you an information which you have just found out to be True.

And Your Live, began when you never ever played that strangling game again.

And this Be, Live, concluded your knowledge that you can die by strangling, or holding your breath, of your head is cut off like chickens and goats.

Hence Your Be, Live makes you avoid All Occasions that You Now know that can bring You Death.

Also, Your Be, Live has taught many other things which includes the truth also, that You Do Not Want To Die!

I'll wait for your queries here.

I am following your line of thought.. Which I have always taught here too.

So how does believe in God come into the equation?

Kobojunkie:
your basis is obviously your, and i choose not to debate it, as it does not concern me.

Lol.. OK..

So tell me what I missed out or what is wrong with it, I could reconsider, I think that is the purpose of this thread.. I want to learn..

If you have any intelligent contribution to made me re access my stand, I would..

Kobojunkie:
He chooses

You are just a clown... Lol.

Which part of my own basis do you not agree with..

spartan117:
Good evening brother. Pls point out the part of my post where I insinuated the above, so that I will consider it and make corrections if need be.

Your whole right up suggest that God and devil are enemies, equal and opposite...

This is false...

Satan and devil are in the same team as God.. They work for him.. They report back to him...

They only do what he has commissioned them to do.. No more no less

Dtruthspeaker:
Thank you! Therefore, would it be correct to say that you then thereafter, avoid and avoided every occasion, which may result in the Chopping of your head?

Yes I would..