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gohf:
you have not yet answered me, define what a human sacrifice is?

Like the one yahoo plus people do

Kill a human being for riches.... usually sacrificed to moloch. He was the only one that was accepting human sacrifice....
Not God...who created life itself.

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂😂😂😂.
So Israel is the MESSIAH 🤦

No.. Isaiah 53 is not about the Messiah.

I have said this a thousand times .

It is about Israel..

And nobody is dying, resurrecting or ascending in Isaiah 53. Read it well

MaxInDHouse:
Stop this insanity jọọ!

If you call anything "SATANIC" you don't attach it to EVIL if you're in your right senses because you as in your very self said Satan is God's servant!

So your cult is evil...yes or No.?

gohf:
have you never read Psalms nor Isaiah 53.

I told you you do not know the Tanakh

Isaiah 53 is about Israel...

Show me where God planned that he would be needing a human/God sacrifice in other to forgive sins..

I am waiting.

Gabrielshow24:
That's why we say Jesus is not an human sacrifice.

And even the very tanakh from the prophecy of Isaiah, Isaiah 53:2, suggest the messiah will bear the sins of the people!!! Even as an offering for sin!

You are contradicting yourself
Show me where God planned that a God or a human being will be a sin sacrifice.
Isaiah 53 is about Israel
The entire Tanakh is about Israel.....
Israel is the suffering servant..

I opened a thread to teach that..you can look for it.

I am still waiting.

gohf:
God does not accept dead things, that's why those offered to God were dedicated to the temple/tabernacle, by being Nazarenes or something else like the daughter of that Judge that gave his daughter to God.

Even Abraham offered Isaac to God obeying God but he didn't kill Isaac. That's why Paul writes, offer your bodies as living sacrifice to God which is acceptable to God.

When you offer your heart to God, or cut your heart, circumcising it, it doesn't mean you put a knife inside your chest before God accepts you.

To offer yourself is to obey till death.

You are deviating from your beliefs..

Was Jesus a human sacrifice for sin ? You said yes...
I asked you to tell me when God planned it from the Tanakh. I am waiting.
It should be simple to you...

gohf:
it that what you understood from what I wrote? no wonder you have a poor understanding of the Tanakh.

I want you to tell me that you are advising God to accept a human being as a sacrifice...
I want to hear it from you..

Gabrielshow24:
What you allude to is human sacrifice 🤨.
What I allude to is the concept of reconciliation of man to God through the sacrificial lamb!!!

The lamb that taketh away the sins of the people!!!

Is it the lamb that takes away the sin of the people or God?
Show me where God ordered a human sacrifice from the Tanakh.

I am still waiting.

gohf:
you are not obviously ignorant of your own Tanakh, you read they could not enter the temple to minister without shedding and you wrote this as your response.

I asked you is the animal not innocent? And here you lie against the very Tanakh and the Torah given by Moses which obligated the children of Israel to give such sacrifices as regards their uncleanliness.

How can you even know God's position when you don't even know God's word

Ok...when did God order a human sacrifice?

Gabrielshow24:
You are going back and forth, I have resolved this by giving you a response.

"That man" - is the sacrificial lamb prepared by God from the beginning of the world!!!

Show me where God planned it in the Tanakh.

MaxInDHouse:
I thought you said Satan is God's servant? What happened to your brain again?
Are you now of the opinion that Satan is evil?

That does not change the fact that you belong to an evil cult.

That takes delight in seeing innocent people suffer.
The real God does not need a human sacrifice.
Human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer.

Gabrielshow24:
Like I said earlier, you always selectively choose what befits you from scriptures!!! 🤕

You act as if the same God didn't prescribe animal sacrifice as an atonement for sins 🤦.

Give me one place from the Tanakh were God accepted human sacrifice.
I will wait..

Gabrielshow24:
You are going back and forth, I have resolved this by giving you a response.

"That man" - is the sacrificial lamb prepared by God from the beginning of the world!!!

Proof please....I need quotes from the Tanakh.

Let's go..

MaxInDHouse:
I will endorse the sacrifice that will end it all and never to be repeated that's the blood of a PERFECT man who has no human father: Jesus Christ!

Lol...That's why you belong to a satanic cult.
Human sacrifice is an abomination in the real God's eyes...
He created human life ...why would he ask you to kill anyone for him? Those it make any sense?

Gabrielshow24:
It's part of the requirements 🙄.
You still have to use the sacrificial lamb!!!

But never a human being right??

gohf:
What is the point of repenting if they will die with the wicked and remain dead with them? Seeing as God's word doesn't change.
A loving and Just God who doesn't change his word, but send his word to deliver and save those who truly repent from their sins and seperate them from the curse of sin and death

You are mixing Judaism and Christianity..that's where your problem is.

God in the Tanakh echoed it very loud that he hates human sacrifice.
Jesus death has got nothing to do with God.

There is no curse of sin. Death is for everyone.
Man was never meant to stay here forever.

gohf:
God forgives us not because blood is shed, God forgives us because we repent that's why the gospel is repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.

The blood which was used in the very temple mentioned in 2Chronicles 7:14 could only provide a temporary re-connection to God by cleansing the people according to the mosaic law, which was the only way for them to approach God who said, 2Chr.7.12 - Then one night the LORD appeared to Solomon and said, "I have heard your prayer and have chosen this Temple as the place for making sacrifices.
But even that temple was destroyee though a copy of the original seen by David, magnificent, it was destroyed. Now there exists the original the true temple, were the sacrifices of goats, cows and sheep do not count, so no one can actually approach God there and seek for forgiveness but Jesus offered himself to God, not his blood for God is not a bloodsucker, and God accepted him, to represent us and obtain mercy with a promise of permanent healing for a land and a nation that won't ever be destroyed.

So you are advising God to accept a human sacrifice?

gohf:
why kill an innocent animal?

God's solution was confess and forsake your evil ways...I will hear from heaven and forgive and restore. Animal sacrifice was a traditional practice not a requirement from God.
A contrite hearth you will not spurn Psalm 51.

"I desire obedience and not sacrifice " says the Lord.

That is the position of God. Not animal or human sacrifice...

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't matter the false dichotomy you present the so called "confess and forsake your evil ways" result in animal sacrifice.

So your ill veiled attempt to reduce the entire Jewish proceedings to "that" is dubious and shows you're intellectual dishonest.

How will they take away their sins? 🤔
Are they the ones taking away their own sins?

There is a method already prescribed for that!!
It involves soul exchange, except you want to turn a blind eye to that then it's you that has the problem because you have selectively chosen what fits you!!!

It is God's requirement..

Are you insisting it is not enough?

Gabrielshow24:
Because in the first place "that man" is God in flesh that came to deliver men from their burden.

Everything alludes to the soul exchange which we can't see physically save for the shedding of blood.

Hence I beg to differ, it even shows God as a loving God that intends to save man by using an escape character even in their present framework!!!

But he already gave a solution in 2nd chronicles 7 :14 and it does not involve a human/God sacrifice. Just repent sincerely, he would forgive or are you advising him that it is not enough??

I have always said it here that judgement takes place on earth. We are here because we failed in our last incarnation.

Gabrielshow24:
It's like asking me to choose between long term advantage and short term advantage!

Most advanced chess players will choose long term advantage that can be converted!!!

While most medium and beginner level chess players chooses short term advantage.

Repent & forgive is dependent on human actions!

And will always give an entitlement mentality where people will try to make their way to heaven through works.

And if it's by works no man will make heaven, because in fact our actions have unintended consequence that affect others gravely and what you think is good might have cancerous consequences.

So at the end of the day, you will be forced to define a good and bad decision based on its consequences both general and specific!!!

And when every decision you have made is weighed you cannot tell whether everything will indeed sum up as good or bad!!!

Also the mystery of Forgiveness is silence!
Do you hear a confirmation or feedback whether you have been forgiven or not?

So who knows whether you are forgiven or not except by believing so?
Which alludes to the supernatural and unseen.

you are so used to physical things so you would prefer physical things you are comfortable with but infact the God you serve is spiritual and immaterial 😁.

I will choose a divine substitute that absorbs men to himself and takes away their sins!!!

Is it not humans that committed the sin?
Are they not the ones to make the restitution?

Why ask to kill an innocent man as a sin sacrifice.
It does not even work with humans with their frailty. Why should a loving God adopt it?

Gabrielshow24:
Well this is false dichotomy.

But even if I were to allude I would say a permanent solution is what is required.

The first one is temporary and there will be no end to the killing of cows and bulls.

And most of them at the end of the day will turn into religions cronies - doing it for doing sake!!!

Hence from the beginning it's rather wise that if God were to give man free choice he must have had the mechanism that would have used to bring men back to himself!!!

The first mechanism which your temporal choice alludes to his soul exchange.

Hence a much more bigger and permanent soul exchange is needed to cleanse and redeem man to God!!!

Thus the use of Jesus.
Now how should Jesus come to this world?
Through the self same system of corruption, nope.
Since God is holy hence a rather different approach (holy) must be used to bring forth the son.

Don't hate God brother, even what you allude to shoots you in the leg!!!

Where did I mention the killing of cows?

See 2nd chronicles 7:14.

Confess and forsake your evil ways...I will forgive and restore your land.

As against
A human sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin.

Which would you endorse?

Gabrielshow24:
Law of non-contradiction voids your initial statement.

Now as regards this one, it's very rare in humans.
No one disputes that!!!

That's what makes it a miracle🤤

If you were a loving God which would you choose?
1: Ask people to sincerely repent of their sins and forsake their evil ways.....and you forgive them their sins and restore property to the land.(Jewish idea, see 2nd chronicles 7:14)
Or
2.impregnate another man's wife with a version of yourself by breaking all your laws and Demand that he be killed as a human sacrifice and ask people to believe the dead man. Before you forgive their sins.(Christian idea)

Gabrielshow24:
Law of non-contradiction voids your initial statement.

Now as regards this one, it's very rare in humans.
No one disputes that!!!

That's what makes it a miracle🤤

So which will you choose...human sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin or repent and forsake your evil ways and forgive(2nd chronicles 7:14?

MaxInDHouse:
Even the Christians believe God created everything but this God is not the ruler for now! 1John 5:19

Satan has been hijacking the seat of world power for long do you remember the Prince of Persia who stopped an angel from delivering God's message? Daniel 10:13

If I say you are a slowpoke, you will say I am insulting. But how can a sane person even think like this?
Who is Satan anyway. ? That God will stand by and watch his creature reun his creation...Satan is God's creation. He does only what God tells him to do, nothing more...that is what is thought in the book of job.

You are really in a cult.

Westerhoffe:
“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
— 2 Peter 3:13 (KJV)

2 Peter 3 (KJV)
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¹⁰ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

…
¹² Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

“Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.”
— Isaiah 13:13 (KJV)

“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.”
— Revelation 20:11 (KJV)

Ok

Gabrielshow24:
what laws do men use to attain truth?

Define truth?

Gabrielshow24:
Common in nature hence not impossible as you might have thought! 😂😂😂😂

Is it possible in human?

Gabrielshow24:
Kindly answer the question.
Let's have a logical and rational exchange.

Using laws of logic to get to the basis.
Can you handle that?

Logic?
Are those the only laws that exist in the universe?

MaxInDHouse:
Since you don't believe in the New Testament you and i are parallel lines that can never ever meet.
So don't think you and i have anything in common!

You don't have any idea....

EmperorIsaac:
Of course...this present one and all its abominations shall be rolled up with fire.

By who and how?