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johnw47:
like i said; i will show you where Jesus is spoken of in the Old Testament,
when i have dealt with all your rot, but your rot is never ending, isn't that so

1Jn 3:8  the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

I am waiting...

johnw47:
sonmvayina


theguardian..com

What did non-Christian authors say about Jesus?

As far as we know, the first author outside the church to mention Jesus is the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, who wrote a history of Judaism around AD93. He has two references to Jesus. One of these is controversial because it is thought to be corrupted by Christian scribes (probably turning Josephus’s negative account into a more positive one), but the other is not suspicious – a reference to James, the brother of “Jesus, the so-called Christ”.

About 20 years after Josephus we have the Roman politicians Pliny and Tacitus, who held some of the highest offices of state at the beginning of the second century AD. From Tacitus we learn that Jesus was executed while Pontius Pilate was the Roman prefect in charge of Judaea (AD26-36) and Tiberius was emperor (AD14-37) – reports that fit with the timeframe of the gospels. Pliny contributes the information that, where he was governor in northern Turkey, Christians worshipped Christ as a god. Neither of them liked Christians – Pliny writes of their “pig-headed obstinacy” and Tacitus calls their religion a destructive superstition.

to continue

All these are all Christians forgeries. Because it was Christians that had the custody of those works.
I want somebody who actually met him.
Or what did Jesus write down as the laws of the new religion. You can't tell me that the son of God can not write...

Show me, what somebody who actually met him wrote. Not all these hear say...

Kingsempires:
my brother!!! my brother!!!! . Is now I understand the religion you practices

Lol...thanks

johnw47:
look at you dope, more dum than anyone,
you cannot refute a single thing in all of the posts using the Bible,
all you just have is the babbel and nonsense the devil puts into your head

Pro 14:18  Simpletons are clothed with foolishness,

Ode...The Torah is not a history textbook. It is a manual for moral and spiritual instructions. That is why it is used in synagogue..and not in the class room for history class...

You read it and they explain it for you by a rabbi, not a history teacher. Do you get it now..

Olodo.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't believe in peace with what i can't see at the expense of the peace with what i am seeing! 1John 4:20

Only Jehovah's Witnesses have love for neighbours and fellow believers proving we truly love God who created all, your name calling can never ever change that!

But you people are not following the Torah injunctions...you can't be on the path of Jehovah when you are disobeying his laws, does not make any sense...

MaxInDHouse:
So Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses and Joshua were never real people they are just characters in Ezra's nightmare?

The Torah is not a history textbook. It is a manual for moral and spiritual instructions..They use it in the synagogue..not in the class room...

Keep up please.

Foolish Humans did...

And they met other dummy humans and created religion.

tctrills:
Mr Nobody, you are yet to address my last reply where I gave you a very long list of historians, mostly first century historians who wrote about the early Christian persecution at the hands of the Romans.
Could you list the historians who feed you the nonsense you have been spewing?

So there is nothing at all from him or somebody who met him??

tctrills:
Again you are very confused. It is evident that Josephus knew about Jesus Christ but your issue here is that he did not mention Christianity in his works. First, there is no evidence that the followers of Christ were generally called Christians in the first century so if his followers were not even known as Christians, why would Josephus write about that? Oga use your head.
Now here are other historians who wrote about the early Christian persecution.

1. Tacitus (c. 56–120 CE)
Work: Annals (Book 15, Chapter 44)
What he wrote: Tacitus provides a non-Christian account of Nero's persecution of Christians after the Great Fire of Rome in 64 CE. He describes how Nero blamed Christians for the fire and subjected them to brutal punishments, including being burned alive, crucified, or thrown to wild animals.
2. Suetonius (c. 69–122 CE)
Work: The Twelve Caesars (Life of Nero, Chapter 16; Life of Claudius, Chapter 25)
What he wrote: Suetonius briefly mentions Christians, referring to them as followers of a "new and mischievous superstition." In Claudius's reign, he records the expulsion of Jews from Rome due to disturbances "instigated by Chrestus" (likely a reference to Christ).
3. Pliny the Younger (c. 61–113 CE)
Work: Letters (Book 10, Letter 96)
What he wrote: Pliny, as a Roman governor, wrote to Emperor Trajan seeking advice on how to handle Christians. He described their practices, such as meeting for worship and taking oaths to live moral lives, and his methods of interrogating and punishing them if they refused to renounce their faith.
4. Josephus (c. 37–100 CE)
Work: Antiquities of the Jews (Book 20, Chapter 9)
What he wrote: Josephus, a Jewish historian, mentions the execution of James, the brother of Jesus, by the high priest Ananus in 62 CE. While not directly about persecution, it reflects early hostility toward Christians from Jewish authorities.
5. Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 260–340 CE)
Work: Ecclesiastical History
What he wrote: Eusebius is one of the most comprehensive early Christian historians. He chronicled the persecutions of Christians from the time of Christ to the reign of Constantine. He included accounts of martyrs, imperial decrees, and the steadfastness of Christian communities.
6. Tertullian (c. 155–240 CE)
Work: Apologeticus (The Apology)
What he wrote: Tertullian defended Christianity against Roman accusations and criticized the unjust persecution of Christians. He argued for the rationality and morality of the Christian faith and highlighted the hypocrisy of Roman laws.
7. Lactantius (c. 250–325 CE)
Work: De Mortibus Persecutorum (On the Deaths of the Persecutors)
What he wrote: Lactantius provided a detailed account of the fates of emperors who persecuted Christians, portraying their deaths as divine punishment for their cruelty. He also described the Great Persecution under Diocletian.
8. Origen (c. 185–253 CE)
Work: Against Celsus and other apologetic writings
What he wrote: Origen defended Christianity against pagan critiques and indirectly documented Christian perseverance during times of persecution.
9. Martyr Acts and Hagiographies
Examples: The Martyrdom of Polycarp, The Acts of the Scillitan Martyrs, and The Passion of Perpetua and Felicity.
What they wrote: These texts offer vivid, detailed accounts of the trials and martyrdoms of early Christians, emphasizing their faith and courage in the face of persecution.


Here are additional historians, writers, and sources that document the early Christian persecution:

10. Philo of Alexandria (c. 20 BCE–50 CE)
Work: Embassy to Gaius (Legatio ad Gaium)
What he wrote: Philo, a Jewish philosopher, provides context on the general hostility toward religious minorities in the Roman Empire, including early Christian sects. While not directly about Christian persecution, his work highlights the precarious status of monotheistic groups under Roman rule.
11. Clement of Rome (c. 35–99 CE)
Work: First Epistle of Clement
What he wrote: Clement, one of the earliest Church Fathers, mentions the sufferings of Christians in Rome and references the martyrdoms of Peter and Paul during Nero’s reign.
12. Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35–110 CE)
Work: Epistles to the Churches (various letters)
What he wrote: Ignatius, on his way to martyrdom in Rome, wrote letters to various Christian communities. These letters reflect his acceptance of suffering for Christ and offer insights into the challenges faced by Christians during persecution.
13. Polycarp of Smyrna (c. 69–155 CE)
Work: The Martyrdom of Polycarp (authored by disciples, not by Polycarp himself)
What it details: This early hagiographical account documents the trial and execution of Polycarp, emphasizing his steadfast faith and the broader context of Christian persecution in the Roman Empire.
14. The Acts of the Apostles (c. 60–90 CE)
Attributed to: Luke
What it details: The New Testament book chronicles the early church's growth and the persecution faced by apostles like Peter, Paul, and Stephen (the first Christian martyr).
15. Hegesippus (c. 110–180 CE)
Work: Fragments cited in Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History
What he wrote: Hegesippus wrote about the martyrdom of James the Just and other early Christian leaders, documenting internal and external challenges faced by the nascent church.
16. Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 CE)
Work: First Apology and Second Apology
What he wrote: Justin defended Christianity against Roman accusations and criticized pagan persecution of Christians. He provided descriptions of trials and executions, including his own eventual martyrdom.
17. The Epistle to Diognetus (2nd Century)
What it discusses: This anonymous work defends Christianity against pagan criticisms and indirectly highlights the reasons for Christian persecution, such as their refusal to worship Roman gods or the emperor.
18. Dionysius of Alexandria (c. 190–265 CE)
Work: Fragments cited in Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History
What he wrote: Dionysius described persecutions under the emperors Decius and Valerian, offering detailed accounts of Christian suffering and resilience.
19. Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200–258 CE)
Work: On the Lapsed and Letters
What he wrote: Cyprian reflected on the aftermath of persecutions, addressing issues like apostasy, reconciliation, and the steadfastness of martyrs.
20. Minucius Felix (c. 2nd–3rd Century)
Work: Octavius
What he wrote: This apologetic dialogue defended Christianity against Roman accusations and stereotypes, referencing the unjust treatment of Christians by Roman authorities.
21. The Sibylline Oracles (Christian Interpolations)
What they contain: These prophetic writings, later Christianized, include veiled criticisms of Roman oppression and portray Christian persecution as part of apocalyptic struggles.
22. Melito of Sardis (c. 2nd Century)
Work: Apology to Marcus Aurelius (now lost, but fragments survive)
What he wrote: Melito appealed to the Roman emperor, highlighting injustices against Christians and pleading for better treatment.
23. Martyrdom of Saints Perpetua and Felicity (c. 203 CE)
What it details: This account of two Christian women martyred in Carthage provides a vivid narrative of their trial, imprisonment, and eventual execution.
24. Celsus (2nd Century)
Work: The True Word (criticized by Origen in Against Celsus)
What he wrote: Although a critic of Christianity, Celsus’ attacks on Christians shed light on Roman attitudes and accusations that led to persecution.
25. Epiphanius of Salamis (c. 310–403 CE)
Work: Panarion
What he wrote: While primarily a heresiologist, Epiphanius included accounts of early Christian suffering and martyrdom to highlight the faith's endurance.
These sources provide diverse perspectives—both sympathetic and critical—on the experiences of early Christians under Roman rule.

Now Mr Nobody, Who are you quoting?

So what you saying is nobody actually saw him.
All you providing are hear say.....

So, there is actually no one who saw him and seemed it to write something down.
Why did he not write something down for everybody. That would have clinched it. Now we have 4 poorly written accounts and a dumb oo(Paul )

MaxInDHouse:
Ask them to tell you the name of their new church nah if they're not deceiving themselves!

Must everybody be a member of a cult to please God?
Is it not better to be alone and be at peace with your creator than join "a performing group" according to you, that specializes in worshipping and idol..

You choose wrong..

tctrills:
You reinvent history. You really should do some studying before coming out here to say these things.
The first Century Christians were hunted and killed by the Roman empire. The Romans continued to persecute Christians up to AD 313.
Just read a book and you will stop preaching these falsehoods.
Again, if Mohamed an Arab could invent Islam why do you think Jesus Christ a Jew can't be the author 9f Christianity?
Do some thinking bro

This is what the Christians are saying.

This is part of the forgeries by Eusebius.
He was the one who wrote the history of the church.

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you several times that apart from Jehovah's Witnesses no religion can survive teaching their members the same line of thought so many will claim they belong to Christ but how will you know they are lying to their own souls?

They will never ever agree on how to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples {Luke 11:23} so when they see Jehovah's Witnesses unitedly working as One {John 17:22} they will conclude that we are a cult! Matthew 10:24-25

Max, I don't belong to any denomination of Christianity...
Direct it to somebody else...

tctrills:
Again you are not making sense. Why is a Jew not capable of establishing another religion. Please explain.

They already have a covenant with God that was for ever. They have a national religion called Judaism....
It is based on their covenant with God., they where warned that anybody bringing any other ideology should be excommunicated from the society.

(Looking at the context of their Torah )

Kingsempires:
are you an Igbo man ? 🤔🤔🤔

Yes...Enuani...From oshimili North of Delta state..

Kingsempires:
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 what will I call the name of your religion sa

No name....

It is a cultural things. Omenani/Odinala..wherever place you come from has their culture and traditions. And we have laws and custom guiding our actions and utterances. The laws are passed down orally from grand parents to parents to children...and it continues like that.
There is always a justice system where cases are discussed and proper judgement melted out.
We usually have a dibia who serve as the spiritual guide to the people..
When there is any need, he consults God on our behalf and conveys the solution most times with proverbs....

So...what name should I call it?

Lukuluku69:
Paul did.

Rome only spread it.

That is what most people said.....

johnw47:
i showed that you are dum way beyond belief, claiming that no history exist of Jesus Christ:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

There is none at all..

He is a product of theology not history. Just like Perseus of clash of the Titans...


All allegories...

Read it and learn the messages in them, not for you to start worshipping the characters in it...

johnw47:
you are one of those antichrists that cannot stop lying
billions of Christians know who wrote the books of the Bible

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

A simple Google check will show you that the gospel began life with no name or signature of the author. Those names where added by the Catholic Church, just to pass it off as authentic and deceive people like you...

I did not fall for it...

johnw47:
talk about no understanding, and you have fearfully run away from your ridiculous statement,
that people are in God because God is omnipresent:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

God is omnipresent meaning God is everywhere..

And I am in Benin which is part of the everywhere..

So it is safe to say I am in God and God is in me...

Just simple ..isn't it.
But your walnut brain can not comprehend it..

Not my fault now, is it?

johnw47:
1. i will show you about Jesus in the old testament when i'm through with all the other rot you have said,
and when you come back with all your twisting and nonsense, i will show you to be a liar there too
2. you antichrist will never come to my side, you are to far gone, u r already lost beyond hope, i believe,
you just love to mock Jesus and His Mother etc.

you remind me of maynmann who loved to say many times things like this:



i am looking forward to seeing you satan's mob thrown into the lake of fire:

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

I am waiting..

johnw47:
so dum, God is omnipresent so can be in people

but you said earlier that:

God being omnipresent doesn't mean we are in God
we are not omnipresent

and you can't even see your confusion:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

^^ see how that verse is talking off you

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

I have seen your problem.

It is compression.
You lack comprehension skills..

Don't worry. When you grow up, you will learn and understand.

johnw47:
liar:

matthew, mark, luke, john, paul, etc. and many others since wrote about Him:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

everybody knows the gospels was written by unknown people...
And you want me to base my life on that. Why?

johnw47:
slowpoke, you don't believe the writings about Christ from people off His time and after,
and like the true dum dum that you are, you even deny that there is any history on Jesus Chrtist, < your god has blinded all you dum dum's

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

you don't believe the history on Christ, and even deny that there is any,
but you ask for writings about Him from before He was born

2Ti 4:3  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 
2Ti 4:4  and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

I don't see any thing you wrote that is worth 50 kobo...

Try, keep trying.

johnw47:
history is not silent on Jesus Christ oh most dum know nothing

i will post from this article below over the next few days, and
then you can ask me for some actual articles on the history of
Jesus Christ and i will give you links for you to read them, or
i will post them here over days or weeks

not to help you satan's mob (which i don't do), but to put you in
your place

https://www.theguardian..com

What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died?
Today some claim that Jesus is just an idea, rather than a real historical figure, but there is a good deal of written evidence for his existence 2,000 years ago

How confident can we be that Jesus Christ actually lived?
The historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread. Within a few decades of his supposed lifetime, he is mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians, as well as by dozens of Christian writings. Compare that with, for example, King Arthur, who supposedly lived around AD500. The major historical source for events of that time does not even mention Arthur, and he is first referred to 300 or 400 years after he is supposed to have lived. The evidence for Jesus is not limited to later folklore, as are accounts of Arthur.

to continue

I am waiting all these are just your opinion.

MaxInDHouse:
Did Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses and Joshua ever exist?

Nooooooo
The Torah was written by scribes led by Ezra.

tctrills:
I am quoting from what Paul said about Jesus Christ.
So if I quote from the words of Peter, would you claim that Peter started Christianity?
You are not being logical here. You claim Jesus Christ was a Jew hence he couldn't be the author of our religion. But then you forgot that Paul was also a Jew. So you see, you are not making much sense here
You are wrong about the life Jesus Christ lived. Please read your Bible to understand the life Jesus Christ lived.
The laws Jesus Christ taught was beyond that of the Jews. Have you ever read Matthew chapters 5 to 7?
There is so much about the life of Christ that is beyond the laws of the Jews. Please read the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John to learn more..
Let me give you some examples.
Matthew 5:27-28
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matthew 5. 43-44
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Who created Christianity that is my question...

It can't be Jesus, because he was a Jew all his life. (That's if he existed).

Europe has a shortage of priest, that's a fact. Nobody wants to become priest anymore. So anything to encourage men to go into holy orders..

Africa is still the backbone of Christianity...

The day Africa wakes up, Christianity will be no more....

We are getting there....even if the pace is slow

We will get there..

Kingsempires:
oga I will asks you this question again; which religion do you practices ?

I don't practice any religion.

I just follow and live by the laws of the universe....which includes the law of cause and effect...

tctrills:
I just gave you a verse from the bible. What else do you want?

Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;

You are quoting what Paul wrote...

So it is Paul that made the claim, so it is him that started Christianity?
Because Jesus was a Jew and lived his life a Jew and followed the Torah (though in some cases, he went fowl of the Torah. (That's if he existed) Just referencing the text....
Jesus never claim to start a new religion .

tctrills:
Who is the author and finisher of our faith?

I don't get it...


Tell me with proofs...

MindHacker9009:
True were are free from those brainwashers!

The True God of the original Torah has freed set my mind free, now it's our duty to go online and help free others too.
Freely we have been set free, freely were are to help set others free too!

That's what I try to do..

Small small

MindHacker9009:
Believing this invented story till YouTube exposed this to me that it's an invented story and the mind is now free to ask questions, it's like how did one not ask such questions before YouTube, but now with all the free information on YouTube and from your posts these puns are now coming from a new free mind that has been suppressed with this invented story in the past.

You are great.....

Don't let their threat of hell stop you...

I have freed my mind from mental slavery...