₦airaland Forum

Gabrielshow24:
How then did you expect someone to see him in this generation and even though they saw him your fallacy of "Exactness" will still not let you to believe!

What's your conclusive proof that all the records that depicts and confirms Jesus is hoax when it is only based on your "hunch👀"?

You can see how your foolishness is being displayed for all to see!

Gambling away your destiny without empirical proof.


All modern day historians have come to a logical fact that the character named Jesus existed!

But some wannabe self made theologian/historian in some remote parts of Nigeria says otherwise🤦

You are finding it hard to believe you are wasting your life over a lie. So you are fighting tooth and nail to insult me...

My guy, Jesus was created by the Roman cabals to control people as emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire...

Gabrielshow24:
The same genesis written by a non-existent "Moses" 👀

Can you see your hypocrisy?

Olodo??


Bye bye...

Gabrielshow24:
How do you expect God to send his holy one?
Do you expect God to send his holy one through the union of man and woman?

Or perhaps you think God too unclean that he should have coitus with his own creation in order to create a son?

If the very same concept exists abundantly in nature don't you think it plausible it should be the optimal route of sending his "holy one"

Also even if he decided to send his messiah through the union of man and woman; whosoever that is will always be referred to as the son of so so and so!

You also seem to forget that the gospel is an eye witness account of Jesus based on his disciples!

Prove to me Jesus existed and somebody actually saw him..

I don't need you to insult the creator of the universe....

Gabrielshow24:
"Through the iniquity of one, sin came into this world" Romans 5:12.

If you are trying to play into the " EXACT WORD FALLACY" then that will not work!

I want the word of God in Genesis.. because that is the beginning.
I don't need what somebody said who was not there ....

Whose iniquity anyway?

I don't need a

Gabrielshow24:
Before you came to the earth where you of any tribe or Nation?

You only have this distinctions on this earth!

You are so basic and dumb!
If God wills he could have come in the form of a Nigerian, it won't diminish who he is.

God called himself "I am that I am"

And as I explained to jae!
Axioms that exemplifies form and shape are not limited to any dimension because they can assume all dimensions including being dimensionless!

Are you even thinking or understand your post before you post it?
How can God become part of what he created?
Does it makes any sense to you?

Do you know why Innoson can't become part of his motor he created?
If you know the answer to this question, you have taken one step towards your salvation..

Answer it..

Gabrielshow24:
Now let's establish a base point.
From your initial statement above you stated you don't believe they(Cleopatra and Caesar) existed hence you invariably deny external history.

Any thing that doesn't happen in your time or specifically you don't see it then you don't believe in it!

That's good!👀

Hence you shouldn't be scientific neither enjoy the privileges of the democracy because those that supposedly invented them do not exist or according to you!

You don't believe they existed.

But truth is absolute whether you believe they existed or not.

And if all evidence points to the truth - that they existed then you are a liar and a denier of truth!

I don't follow your ideology!
I follow the truth

and whether you believe it or not that's your business.
There are methods; scientific of methods of determining the truth!

And the bible passes such methods!
It passed the historical validity test, it passes internal composition test!

Hence if I were to use your beloved example of Harry Potter, it will never pass the historical test hence it will always and forever more be a work of fiction!

My dear brother you are confused!

I don't care about those people..

Whether they existed or not is not our argument here..

Prove to me that Jesus existed.
Tell me one person who saw him and what he wrote. I need a first person narrative...

Not a third person.....story. I need an eye witness evidence...of none. Then we will both agree that he was created later one ...by the Romans /Greeks..
The Jewish Messiah, will be a man with both father (from the line of David through Solomon his son ) and a mother who is Jewish..
Not God impregnating another man's wife. That is the greatest ever on the creator of heaven and earth....
Jesus was created to insult the God of the Jews just as Daniel prophesied in 9:25.

Come out of it and follow the commandments of your creator..

Gabrielshow24:
The most basic explanation without using exegesis is that God gave man dominion which man delivered up to Satan when he Imbibed his ways!

And as for the second question it's self explanatory from the first

When did man deliver dominion to Satan..

I want Bible quotes. I don't need your opinion..

Gabrielshow24:
If I give you the writings of several historians you are to give me the source of this your claim!

And if you can't then you will make an admission never to say such a thing again while I yet live and use nairaland!

It must be somebody who actually saw him...
The "son of God" can't make an appearance and nobody saw him, save for people who were writing 50-100+ years after the time they said he lived...does he make any sense?
It means they created him just as JK Rowling's created the Harry Potter character...

Give me one person who actually saw Jesus...I will believe....if not dont waste my time

MaxInDHouse:
Mek una agri among unah sef fes!

Lol...I am not a Christian...

Answer me.
I believe in a creator of the universe...and he don't need a son.
To think he impregnated a man's wife is a big insult to him...

He is omniscient
He is omnipotent
He is Omni present

Gabrielshow24:
I'm beginning to align myself with the community talk of you not being logically reasonable!

It is becoming clear to me that you don't know what you are talking about!

You say "Jesus is fictional" then bring out evidence for such a bold claim!

Throughout you have brought none👀

Olodo..

How do I prove a negative?
Explain to me...


You are the one making the claim, provide the proof..

Jesus never existed....I don't need to prove it...

If you think he existed., show me...one person who saw him and what he wrote or said about him....

Akpa akpu

MaxInDHouse:
It's like you just wake up from slumber, are you the one i was addressing in that post?

Lol

Gabrielshow24:
In a different thread, I explained to you that even from scientific reasoning you can come to the conclusion that God exists.

And given the separation of states of the well known creator and creation paradox. He exists independently outside of creation!

Arguing from silence is a well known fallacy.
That's the fallacy you are committing when you question God's existence!

Infact contrary to your premise lots of evidence point to the existence of a supernatural creator.

It is not a Jewish man though....


Up in the sky..

Gabrielshow24:
No he can't!

All that he has is what was permitted him!

Even when he tempted Jesus we see thus: "And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it."

Emphasis on "for that is delivered unto me"!

Who delivered to him? And when?

MaxInDHouse:
I've answered you guy if have something to say go ahead.
If someone threaten to kill your wife and you later find her in a pool of blood who should be the number one suspect?
God promised something in the Bible and it's happening exactly as He promised yet you're asking how we can know that He is the one doing it.
Please use your brain now, i know you love to be an atheist but that shouldn't stop you from thinking straight!

Look whose talking about thinking straight...That is way way beyond your intelligence....you are incapable of it..

kingxsamz:
I can see your madness hasn't been curéd. Chai.

I promised to pay for his treatment...he is still counting his steps..he is going from bad to worse...
Do you know where he lives, so I can come and bundle him....

I just pray he takes the offer...

Gabrielshow24:
👀 can't you see the logical flaws in your statement?

Just mention one person who actually saw him..

I will show you people who actually met Harry Potter...

MaxInDHouse:
And i keep telling you it's about Jesus Christ but since that means i'm brainwashed prove to them Jesus is not the Messiah.


On this thread you people have:

• Courz who said Jehovah is a demon.
• Otenearron who said the Bible is fake.
• Jaephoenix who said God doesn't exist.
• Sonmvayina who said Jesus is Fake.
• MightySparrow a Pentecostal.

Yet all of you want to correct God's organization millions of people working as one big family of peace loving worshipers.

I hope you're able to convince them that Jesus is fake and that no miracles ever happened in Bible times it was all allegory.

Wish you a safe delivery!

It is a cult....forget those gibberish they feed you with..

MaxInDHouse:
Convince them before thinking of Max nah!

Lol..who else believe it's a messianic prophesy?
Only you...

Gabrielshow24:
Satan is not a mistake of creation !
Infact you can't test someone about ",good and evil" if there were to be no evil.

Hence like I said earlier. He is an embodiment of all self inspired/centric decisions prioritizing self over all!

God permits Satan some levels of freedom in the same way God permits free will for purpose of what I have discussed above.

And all things Satan do is all that has been permitted him, nothing more nothing less!

As long as free will under the agency of human choice reigns then the devil will prevail if humans are inclined towards their natural instincts to put themselves first above all!

Ok..I understand..

But can satan change the will of God?

Gabrielshow24:
What do you mean nobody?
Caesar that existed did you see him?
Cleopatra that is praised by feminist did they see her?

Can't you see when your argument is reflected back to you, how dumb you sound?

Forget those people....I don't believe they existed..

Prove to me that Jesus existed.

Mention one person that actually saw him.

He fed 5000+ and nobody in the crowd could write to record it...

Common man
I know your passionate about it, but you are wasting your life on a lie...

MaxInDHouse:
And i keep telling you it's about Jesus Christ but since that means i'm brainwashed prove to them Jesus is not the Messiah.

Wish you a safe delivery!

For the nth time..it is not about Jesus ...

It is about a sign for king Ahaz...to assure him of his safety..

Gabrielshow24:
Are you that daft?
Historians recorded Jesus!
Other religions confirm Jesus!
Are you so foolish?

Even if Jesus doesn't exist so does Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate etc.

Your logic is just awful and it stems for personal hate and bias.

And it screams self delusion!

Another fallacy again...
So just because the writer set his story in a real place means it is true? Hennn!
So because new York exist, spider man must be true...

Just give me one person who actually met him.
Is it not awful that somebody like that would exist and no body knows about it..?

Jokes aside...Watch tower is a cult..

They tell you what to think and how to think.

Many a times I have told Max that Isaiah 7:14 is not a messianic prophesy. He will still quote it in his next post...as one.
He is just brain washed cultist, he does not even realize it...

Gabrielshow24:
This is a big lie!
There are historical evidences that corroborates with the bible!

You can see your level of wisdom when you equate the bible to harry Potter👀.

Does harry Potter contain historical facts?

Also the burden of proof is on you since you are the one denying the historical validity of Jesus!

Prove to me that Jesus is a make belief like Harry Potter!

Is that not your assertion?

Thou fool you can't prove because there are plethora of evidence to the contrary!

Bring the historical evidence for Jesus let us analyse it...

I what somebody who actually saw him....

Gabrielshow24:
This is a big lie!
There are historical evidences that corroborates with the bible!

You can see your level of wisdom when you equate the bible to harry Potter👀.

Does harry Potter contain historical facts?

Also the burden of proof is on you since you are the one denying the historical validity of Jesus!

Prove to me that Jesus is a make belief like Harry Potter!

Is that not your assertion?

Thou fool you can't prove because there are plethora of evidence to the contrary!

Olodo..

How do you want me to prove a negative?

There is no where else Jesus exist apart from the gospel stories...
There is no where Harry Potter exists apart from the 7 Harry Potter books..

The only difference is that we know the author of the Harry Potter books...Nobody knows who wrote the Gospels stories...and what genre they wrote about. So it is safe to assume it is fiction. Because no where again those that character exist....

Gabrielshow24:
You also act as if the evil being in question is not his child.

The whole Satan arc is just to show the whole of creation what "self" will lead to.

Satan is a rebellious personality that epitomizes the concept of self conflicting will against God's precepts!

It's a clash of ideas; with God permitting it, to show the consequences of a life without God.

Hence as the world becomes inclined towards self it seems like a torment for the "children of God" but it's not but rather a test!

Also "children as in the context of the bible" are those that do the Lord's will or those that are part of his flock!

Is Satan a mistake of creation according to you?

Can Satan change the will of God?

Kingsnairaland:
You have to screen shoot it before I will waste my time to check it

Don't be lazy..

Is that how you learn?

Gabrielshow24:
What an awful concoction of lies.
This is pure hullabaloo!

It only shows that you are brain washed. And don't want to use your brain ...


I just pity you..

Make research...the Internet is not only for watching porn. It seems that's all you do...

Gabrielshow24:
All this billy Carson proteges filled with all sort of misleading convoluted exegesis.

You have not said anything meaningful..

Or you just don't want to learn?

You won't grow..

Gabrielshow24:
🙄You sound as if many have not fathered those that ended up being their enemies!

Ok..why would a loving God create an evil being to torment his own children?

Kingsnairaland:
Screen shot your fake original let see

Do you want to learn?
Just Google "Ninghizchida "

And read everything about him/her.

Gabrielshow24:
You and this your blatant lies!

Now give us historical evidence to back your claim that Jesus isn't real.

As far as history is concerned; Jesus is the most real character.

Hence your fallacy falls flat.
If you can bring historical evidence against it then we will consider your eloquent speech but if not, you will have a seat in theatre of folly!

Your assertion is baseless without any supporting evidence, it's just a mere say.

Prove us wrong today and bring evidence that Jesus never existed!

There's no character in history that has as much historical validity and corroboration as Jesus.

Even most religions confirm his existence and that's saying something!

Do you have sense at all?

You bring evidence that Harry Potter is not real?

Why are you passing the burden to me .
You are the one saying that he is real...

Present your evidence.
You can't ask me to prove a negative..

It does not work like that...

There is no evidence anywhere apart from the Bible...just as there are no where else for the existence of Harry Potter apart from the books by JK Rowling.

Got it now?

Comprende..?