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 Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 12:35am On Mar 03, 2017 |
petra1:You're the one saying. What we know is that John was taken into the future, to see how "The Lord's Day" will be. It's not called "revelation" for nothing. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 12:14am On Mar 03, 2017 |
petra1:Because there's no difference. Yours is simply a case of learning the wrong things. An example is using such a junk translation, packed full of human insertions. Sorry bro, the Greek manuscripts have no such garbage. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 11:54pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1:"Spiritual Sabbath". Isn't that how you called it? But the Law (which the Sabbath is among) has always been spiritual (Romans 7:14), not physical. So mind explaining first of all when the Sabbath was physical? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 11:36pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1:Thank you. Whether you called it "Eschatology" or whatever coinage. The true is, I am fully loaded. You think you know prophecies... really? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 11:19pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1:Grammar? Now that's quite childish. Bro, I don't want to sound puff up. But the true is, you need more learning than I do. Both basic Scriptural truths and prophecies. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 11:03pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
MZLady39:Let him be. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 10:54pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1:Not when I know who invented your Eschatology. Just another bunch of human invention serving ulterior motives. Sorry, I'm not buying it. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 10:49pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1:You're very funny in explaining these things. Anyway, I'm not unaware of the works of carnality (Romans 8:7). The original thoughts and inventors of your own "brand" of Christianity said it all: "...if for these and other such rules [for Sunday observance] you insist upon having positive Scriptural injunction, you will find NONE" (Tertullian, AD 200). Indeed! Human inventions... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 10:12pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1:This is not about my beliefs, it's about the errors inherent in that translation. And I'm not mincing words in advicing you to dump it, it wouldn't help you at all, except you want to continue with your hybrid doctrines. Since you claimed to also have access to the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts, why not give it to me at once? I want to see how John was worshiping on Sunday in Rev. 1:10. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 9:56pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1:Now this is funny. How did you coined it again: "A spiritual Sabbath?". Bro, wow... you must be a scholar! Your understanding of these things can befuddle one. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 7:20pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
Where “Sunday Keeping” Came From (cont...) Even though God commanded that the Sabbath be kept forever, we saw that the churches of the world replaced it with the popular tradition of Sunday-keeping. By now it is obvious that this practice did not come from God or His Church. But let’s see more. Many have assumed the unscriptural tradition that Christ was resurrected from the tomb on Sunday. If Sunday can be established as the day that Christ was resurrected, it can be a means of injecting the pagan Easter festival and celebration, with its Sunday sunrise services, into Christianity. Many pagan festivals, including Christmas (Saturnalia), Easter (the festival of Ishtar) and worship on the day of the Sun, were observed throughout the Roman Empire long before Christ. The apostate church (the “woman” Rev. 17) simply adopted them into practice, and enforced them on all citizens in the empire through the civil government. Actually, the first one to enforce Sunday worship was not a Pope or a church, but was Constantine, the Roman emperor. Here is what happened next. At the Council of Laodicea, in A.D. 363, the following decree was passed: “Christians must not Judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, resting rather on Sunday. But, if any be found to be Judaizing, let them be declared anathema from Christ.” Understand what this decree meant. When one was branded “anathema” (accursed or heretic) by the church, he was arrested by the state, tortured and, unless he recanted, this continued until death. This was enforced so strictly that people were required to rest on Sunday, and work on Saturday, in order to engage in business or hold a job. This enforcement governed their “buying and selling.” (Rev. 13:17) For those who are familiar with history, millions of people were killed for rejecting Sunday worship. Yes, maximum force was used to forced obedience to this pagan doctrine! But of course, the true Church resisted it and stand firm on the Scriptural enforcement of Saturday—the Sabbath. And for this resistance, thousands of the saints were martyred, while some fearing death, recanted. Here is the question: If the apostles and early saints kept Sunday as a day of worship, what was the need of brutal force and death threats to enforce its observance? |
| Nairaland General › Re: Goat Spotted In Kwara Trying To Steal From A Pot Of Cassava On Fire (Photo) by Splinz(m): 6:46pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
The goat be like: I'd die with this cassava today.  92 Likes 4 Shares
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| Romance › Re: . by Splinz(m): 6:15pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
This is my advice: Both of you should grow up.  |
| Politics › Re: Buhari's Government Has Worsened Nigeria's Economy-Soludo by Splinz(m): 6:09pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
sarrki:Sarrki, the analyst. How did you arrived at this your hypothesis?  83 Likes |
| Politics › Re: Buhari's Government Has Worsened Nigeria's Economy-Soludo by Splinz(m): 5:58pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
Ghen ghen! Soludo can't hold it any longer. That man of Daura is truly a disaster! 154 Likes 7 Shares |
| Politics › Re: PHOTOS: Nigeria’s Acting President Bags Chieftaincy Title In Akwa Ibom by Splinz(m): 5:37pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
Such a sweet title: "The king of peace". In this case, Osibanjo is a leader that desires peace with all, unlike one man from...  1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 5:06pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
MZLady39:See you sister.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 4:33pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:Amen! Thanks bro. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 3:58pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1:On the contrary, Paul talked of the keeping of the Sabbath: “So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God” (Hebrews 4:9). |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 3:47pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
MZLady39:Thank you. But you're wrong. Jesus didn't rise on Sunday. Study the points I raised again. You'll see that the Fri-Sun traditions failed Jesus SIGN woefully! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 3:43pm On Mar 02, 2017*. Modified: 5:11pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1:Interesting! Oh, He died on Wednesday and rose on Sunday? How many days/hours is that? If Jesus died on Wednesday, doesn't that means that He resurrected on Saturday, the Sabbath day? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 3:40pm On Mar 02, 2017*. Modified: 5:09pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1:Please, kindly dump this so-called Modern Translation. It serves nothing other than ulterior motives. I've seen lots of new translations that can be properly labeled “pure human inventions”, and this your translation is one of them. What distorted and altered junk! So you know, I have accessed to even the original Greek manuscripts. So, you can't sway someone like me with your translation. I repeat, both “The Day of the Lord” (Zephaniah 1:14-18) and “The Lord's Day” (Rev. 1:10) means the same thing—the Day of wrath. You can't prove otherwise. Acts 20:7 (MSG)What a distorted piece! Acts 20:7-8 “And upon THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.” This account does, in fact, speak of a religious meeting on the first day of the week. But the last phrase demonstrates that it had grown dark—“there were many lights.” This was because Paul had continued his Sabbath preaching “until midnight.” Since God counts days from sunset to sunset (Lev. 23:32; Gen. 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31), this was what we would call Saturday night. It had nothing to do with a Sunday morning worship service. Paul was a visiting apostle. Such an event was special, and people wanted to hear him preach as long as possible. And it was a farewell sermon. What Does “Break Bread” Mean? This is an interesting account for other reasons. Paul was visiting the Troas congregation immediately after the Days of Unleavened Bread (vs. 6). Here is what the others traveling with him did: “And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: For so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot. And when he met with us at Assos, we took him in, and came to Mitylene” (vs. 13-14). Paul’s plan was to walk an arduous journey of 19½ miles across a peninsula to meet his companions. These men had to sail 60 miles around the peninsula to their rendezvous point with Paul. Both Paul and his companions were going to be doing very hard work, all day, on the first day of the week. They had enjoyed the Sabbath together and Paul was “ready to depart on the morrow” (vs. 6), or Sunday morning. Verse 6 also shows that this occasion had occurred “after the days of unleavened bread”—one of God’s annual Feasts. Again, Paul had spent an entire Sabbath preaching to the brethren, continuing well into Saturday night—or the first day of the week—which started at sundown Saturday evening. Some claim Acts 20:7 refers to keeping the Lord’s Supper on Sunday morning because the term “break bread” was used. This assumption is not true. Paul’s long preaching had left people hungry. It was midnight. They wanted to eat. This is why verse 11 says those present “had broken bread and eaten.” This was an ordinary meal, not the observing of the Lord’s Supper. Other passages prove this. Acts 2:46 speaks of the disciples who, “continuing daily…breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness.” The account shows that the brethren were doing this daily. Obviously, human beings do eat daily. Further, Acts 27:34-35 explains, “Wherefore…take some meat…he [Paul] took bread…and when he had broken it, he began to eat.” Finally, even Christ said, in Matthew 26:29, that He would not take the “Lord’s Supper” until after He had returned to earth and was in His kingdom. However, Luke 24:30, at a later time, shows Him to have sat “at meat,” or eating a meal, with the disciples. He broke bread and blessed it on that occasion. There are cultures today, particularly in Europe, who still use the term “break bread” to mean the actual breaking of a certain type of bread as they eat a meal. The Acts 20 account provides no authority for Sunday-worship. It is not even talking about Sunday morning, except that Paul had an all-day walk ahead of him starting then. Rather, it validates that the brethren met on the Sabbath with Paul, and that he and his companions were perfectly willing to perform hard labor—after the Sabbath, on the first day of the week. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 2:58pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1:Another lie and false teaching. Bro, Jesus didn't rise on Sunday. This is because your Good Friday crucifixion and early Sunday morning resurrection fails Jesus given SIGN woefully! When asked by the Pharisees to show them a sign, Jesus replied and said: “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign; but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:39). “Three days and three nights” is equivalent to 72 hours, i.e, 12 hours in a day (John 11:9) and 12 hours in a night, making it altogether 24 hours in what is commonly called “a day”. In fact, Genesis 1:4-13 plainly says that God “divided the light from darkness. And God called the light Day and the darkness He called Night. And the evening [darkness] and the morning [light] were the first day…And the evening [darkness] and the morning [light] were the second day…And the evening [now THREE periods of darkness called night—three nights] and the morning [now THREE periods of light called day—three days] were the third day.” This is the Bible’s definition of the length of time accounted for within the phrase “the third day.” It spanned three periods of darkness and three periods of light. It has been proven that each of these periods is twelve hours. Six times twelve hours equals 72 hours! What could be more plain? So then, a late Friday afternoon entombment means a late Monday afternoon resurrection. It is as simple as counting one, two, three! What! Did Jesus failed His own SIGN? No, let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4). So you see, your claims that Jesus resurrected on Sunday is nothing but fictitious tales invented by those marked for destruction, to lead people into worshiping “another Jesus” (2 Corinthians 11:4), since the one and only true Jesus Christ of the Bible never resurrected on Sunday nor was He crucified on Friday. Bro, your theory falls like a pack of cards! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 7:13pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
MZLady39:Musketeers armed with the truths. Fully rooted and built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the Chief cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20). Indeed, it is a privilege. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 5:40pm On Mar 01, 2017*. Modified: 9:11pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
petra1:Apparently, you don't get it. Both Jews and the Gentiles were taught on the Sabbath. These are biblical facts! Nothing like the Church meetings on Sunday. Besides, do you not know that a Christian is also a Jew? (Romans 2:29). And that salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22)? So who are the Jews and the Church? Such bold statement of yours simply means you don't really know much about who a Christian is. Such a sad reality. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 5:00pm On Mar 01, 2017*. Modified: 5:16pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
petra1:You're right you know. I agree that the Lord's Day is truly Sunday—a day that God's wrath will be poured out on rebellious children.  Stop confusing yourself bro. Both "The Lord's Day" and "The Day of The Lord" means the same thing. John was taken in the Spirit to see how the Lord's Day will be. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 4:53pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
Another Account Next we examine ACTS 16:12-15 , an account of Paul and Silas observing the Sabbath in Philippi. Careful reading of the account shows that it was a custom for people to meet on a river bank each Sabbath: “And from there to Philippi…and we were in that city abiding certain days. And ON THE SABBATH we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spoke unto the women which resorted there. And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. And…she was baptized.” Obviously, Paul and those with him kept the Sabbath each week. This required them to find where Sabbath assembly regularly took place locally. Paul Kept the Sabbath The next account, ACTS 18:1-11 , is remarkable. It reveals that Paul worked during the week and kept the Sabbath—“every” Sabbath: “After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; and found a certain Jew named Aquila…with his wife Priscilla…and came unto them. And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue EVERY SABBATH, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks [Gentiles]…and he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them” (vs. 1-4, 11). Eighteen months is equivalent to 78 weekly Sabbaths on which Paul taught God’s Word! Verse 6 shows that the Jews became angry and, blaspheming, departed from Paul. This left him teaching Gentiles only—and yet he continued teaching them on the Sabbath! The argument that he met on the Sabbath to satisfy the Jews holds no water. Paul taught both Jews and Gentiles each Sabbath. And he worked the other six days in accord with “Six days shall you labor, and do all your work.” If Paul was also observing Sunday, he would have been routinely violating the other aspect of the Sabbath command, having but five days to work. Finally, notice that Acts 17:2 states that Paul, when in Thessalonica, “…as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures.” This was also a Gentile city. The pattern is clear. Paul kept the Sabbath, meeting with and teaching brethren everywhere he went. Now consider what he instructed the Gentile Corinthians: “Be you followers of me, even as I also am of Christ” (I Cor. 11:1). Plain! Paul and the rest of the saints kept the Sabbath not Sunday! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 4:39pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
petra1:Sorry, you're wrong. Lets see which day the early Church kept. Paul and Barnabas Teach on the Sabbath ACTS 13:14-15, 42-44 contains an account of Paul and Barnabas teaching Jews on the Sabbath: “But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue ON THE SABBATH DAY, and sat down. And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, You men and brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on” (vs. 14-15). The account picks up in verse 42: “And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them THE NEXT SABBATH.” Why would he not tell them to just show up the next day—Sunday—instead of requiring them to wait an entire week, until the next Sabbath, for further instruction? The account says nothing of Paul telling the Gentiles that they no longer had an obligation to keep the Sabbath—that it had been done away. While one might suppose that the Jews still carried this obligation, why did Paul not at least explain to the Gentiles, in a message about the “grace of God,” that the Law had been nailed to the cross? He could have easily explained that the Sabbath was no longer binding in the New Testament era. Notice verse 43: “Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the GRACE OF GOD.” But more time passed. People wanted to hear more of the “word of God.” Paul required everyone to wait another week—a second time. Another lost opportunity to point the Gentiles to Sunday. Now read: “And THE NEXT SABBATH DAY came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God” (vs. 44). Bro did you see that!?? “And THE NEXT SABBATH” Not “AND THE NEXT SUNDAY!” |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 4:21pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
petra1:I apologize if my speech offends thee. But then, those are just words meant to describe your seeming state of mind. All the same, I am sorry. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 3:35pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
petra1:I see. I did said you're in a dilemma, and indeed, it is great. Here, I'll simply repeat what I told you in another thread: Some are too quick to point out Colossians 2:16-17 to mean the Sabbath is no more. Of course, it is only one of the many stumbling blocks they encountered in Paul's "hard to understand" writings, which some people twist to their destruction (2 Peter 3:16). This is because merely looking at verse 11 of same chapter, we see that Paul said Christians are circumcised by the Holy Spirit that the works of the flesh may be put off, and that circumcision is of value when you keep the Law (Romans 2:25). Again, we've also seen that the carnal mind cannot keep the commandments of God because he hates them (Romans 8:7). So here is the question: How can Paul say you can break the Sabbath law when he just said few verses after that you were circumcised to keep the law? Think about it. It is simply a case of misunderstanding what Paul is truly saying. Link: https://www.nairaland.com/3615455/does-new-covenant-abolish-ten/3#53737140If you were truly a true seeker and lover of the truth, you would have thought about it. But you didn't, instead you keep on twisting what Paul wrote to mean what he never said or intended. How can Paul just uphold the Law in verse 11 of this same chapter, and just moving a little further, he condemned the same Law he has just uphold? Is the Bible contradictory? What about Hebrews 4:9? Are you in anyway insinuating that Paul was confused and didn't know what he was saying  Well, since you have decided not to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth, i.e, since you have decided not to learn what message Paul is passing in Colossians 2:16, I've also decided to let you wallow in the dark. After all, it is written: "Do not cast your pearls before swine" (Matthew 7:6). Because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee... (Hosea 4:6). |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 2:51pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
petra1:John 20:19 “Then the same day at evening, being THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you.” Was this a Sunday worship service? Was it to celebrate Christ’s Resurrection? Christ had just been resurrected—late Sabbath afternoon, between 3 and 6 p.m. Some disciples had gone to the tomb early Sunday morning to see if He was there. Other accounts we will review demonstrate that He was already gone—already “risen.” His first opportunity to see the disciples would have been on Sunday—the first day of the week. He had just been horribly tortured and crucified, and gone for three days in the tomb. It was natural for Christ to meet with them right after this had happened. The account says nothing of this being a “worship service,” or a “resurrection service.” The brethren were meeting privately, probably secretly in a closed room, “for fear of the Jews.” Remember, the Jews had crucified their friend and Master. They would have had much to discuss. Also remember that they had all been living together in this single upper room (Acts 1:13). It was also impossible that the meeting was some kind of “Sunday resurrection celebration,” because the disciples did not believe that Jesus was risen (Mark 16:14; Luke 24:37, 39, 41)! There is certainly nothing in this account that references either Sunday or that the Sabbath is done away. Therefore, we conclude that it contains no authority for changing God’s Sabbath to Sunday. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(op): 2:18pm On Mar 01, 2017*. Modified: 3:57pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
petra1:This is nothing short of a heartbreak to me, really. So the "Lord's Day" is Sunday? Indeed! The Lord's Day Like many of other Scriptural truths misinterpreted and misunderstood, mainstream churchianity has always termed their Sunday worships as worshiping on the "Lord's Day". This would have been humorous had it not been for what truly is the Lord's Day according to Scriptures. Understand. There are numerous Scriptural references to the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2: 12-18; 13: 9; Jeremiah 46: 10; Joel 1: 15, 16; 2 Peter 3: 10, Amos 5:18-20, etc.). And all of these passages speaks of the "Day of God's Wrath" on rebellious mankind. Listen: "Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light" (Amos 5:18). And besides, notice that Revelation does not say "the first day of the week" or "Sunday" is what John calls the "Lord's Day". So then, according to the true meaning of the Lord's Day, John was taken in the Spirit to a great Day in the future. A day of great anguish, pains, sorrows and gnashing of teeth! The plaques spoken of in Revelation will be poured out on disobedience children. Again, listen to this lengthy passage: "The great day of the LORD is near, near and hastening fast; the sound of the day of the LORD is bitter, the mighty man cries aloud there. A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a day of trumpet blast and battle cry against the fortified cities and against the lofty battlements. I will bring distress on men, so that they shall walk like the blind, because they have sinned against the LORD; their blood shall be poured out like dust, and their flesh like dung. Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth" (Zephaniah 1:14-18). So then, we see that the Lord's Day is no day for worship but a day of great wrath revealed to John! This was to warn us to desist from sins in other to escape this gloomy day for sinners! How could the early Church have desired such a day, and why should you? God forbid! PS: Beautiful and desirable is a day God calls “My holy day”, and that day is the Sabbath day (Isaiah 58:13). Why not desire this holy day, and save yourself from wrath? |
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