₦airaland Forum

nihilistjnr:
Emiefele - "Some of our leaders are buying the new notes and storing them for whatever purpose and I will not expand further on that.”

So he openly admits that CBN has failed to prevent to stockpiling Naira Notes for vote buying, which appears to have been the primary driver for the redesign efforts.

Corruption is nobody's mate.

He was never going to prevent it 100%. But at least he reduced their access to cash. What he has just implied was to finger the governors as responsible for whats happening. We will wait for the governors to respond.

I expected this accusations and counter accusations.

Tataffo:
Being a Nigerian is one tangible reason to believe God doesn't exist....

This is funny but completely illogical and unscientific

Ellexy:
I understand your point but still the said 21billion Galadima talked about is in old notes not new notes.

All the same these policy is affecting the average Nigerian because of failure in implementation whether caused by governors or not. CBN should have done their homework properly and anticipated these outcomes so the common man won't be finding it hard like this. The Governors and top politicians aren't feeling it, they just want money for election where as the common man just needs money to buy food and other basic stuff.

That's the point.

The policy on paper is good, even the implementation too. But the moment politics became involved (to prevent vote buying) the whole idea became suspicious and enemies began acting.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Isn't it funny & illogical that Elijah didn't use d scientific method of empricism 2 carry 0ut his experiment hence we don't know d validity of his methodology in proving d supremacy of d Abrahamic god.

Elijah and the Baal prophets had a bet. Whether that's scientific is left for discussion.

You told me that fire came down from heaven, that's how Elijah won the bet.

Ellexy:
Like many have said here, the problem isn't depositing the old notes, but after you deposit them, what next? Will you be given the equivalent in new notes? Abi make I just deposit and go back home empty or start looking for where to buy the new notes

CBN was to release up to N500bn back into the system according to them after the initial deadline. The extension of the deadline made them keep back most of that as old notes were still in circulation. What happened next was that most of the fraction that were released were hijacked by state governors and other politicians. In essence, the current shortage is caused by the state governments who want to frustrate the efforts of the CBN, due to the coming election. Buba Galadima said on TV that a governor in the NW has 21bn, a governor in the South has 100m. So the issue has become complicated simply because there was no compliance from everyone.

afrodoc2:
You have changed your story now. We are not talking about the destruction of property but about you blaming Nigerians for their plight with this currency issue, and saying they should have complied.

You blamed them for not complying with the directive and wanted them to comply and submit old notes and use air particles to transact. People were submitting old notes but were getting mainly old notes back. How do you want them to get rid of all their old notes when it was a vicious cycle of old notes in and old notes out BECAUSE THEIR WAS A HUGE IMBALANCE BETWEEN THE QUANTITY OF OLD NOTES IN CIRCULATION AND THAT OF NEW NOTES BEING RELEASED INTO CIRCULATION.

You must be one of those wicked abroadians because i can't believe i am having to explain this to you. Thankfully you admitted you were being insensitive because that your first post was crazily so and quite nonsensical.

If the bolded was clear to you and yet you didn't get the message then I am sorry.

The message of compliance was to every one involved. Without compliance we will not know who to blame.

iamoyindamola:
Nketiah should start from bench

He is better than Martinelli. Especially during pressing. His only problem is his reluctance to switch position when he is not seeing ball. But we will surely need his pressing against City.

iamoyindamola:
Defending against city will be the biggest mistake

I totally agree.

In fact I think we should play our normal attacking game. Pep will not adjust his tactics for us. Neither will he ask two people to mark Saka.

The only difference is for Trossard to start. I will also like a situation where Martinelli replaces Nketiah instead of Trossard.

afrodoc2:
How does this relate to the difficulty people are experiencing in switching from old notes to new notes? How are the people to blame for the scarcity of new notes?

This is not a Tinubu vs Atiku vs Obi discussion so i don't know where this talk of deliverers is coming from.

Instead of destroying ATMs and banks they should match to government house, or CBN offices or campaign grounds or whatever. Why destroy the infrastructure that you will still need tomorrow. Have you ever met a senator at the ATM before?

Itsrm:
Spy deserves koboko for asking people to deposit money they have no means of collecting when they need it.

I want to be holy today.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
0bviously u can't show evidence 4 d existence of god. maybe u can tell us d hypothesis that Elijah stated b4 he went into a dick measuring contest with the prophets of Baal.

Elijah's contest with the prophets of Baal was not evidence of God's existence but rather of supremacy.

These are two different hypothetical questions.

We can only describe God's existence through common sense, logic and reasoning. If you did any philosophy in school you should understand what I am saying.

For example, if I say there's life after death. There's to experiment to prove it. Because even if we kill someone, there's no way to tell as the person won't return back to life. Therefore the only way to describe life after death is through common sense, logic and reasoning.

Please note that I am not asking you to now accept that God exists, I am o ky asking you to understand my point of view or the idea I am trying to express

Itsrm:
Comply and transact with what? Hope you know the main reason people are not complying is because once you deposit the old note, otilo.

You will have to buy it from POS operatives at black market rate the day you need money

And guess what, they will still give you old notes.

You didn't get the jist.

Just comply is to everyone especially the APC governors.

afrodoc2:
This one is blaming the common man.

Ellexy i think your question should be directed at your brother.

I blame the common man because Nigerians are too ignorant and sentimental in everything to the extent that we extol our oppressors and abuse our deliverers.

Actually I already said that I blame the CBN for politicising the policy, APC governors for pushing for an extension, Buhari for being sissy to listen to them, and the Supreme Court for again listening to the APC governors.

afrodoc2:
This thing does not make sense to me. So now people have to go and fill form at CBN to drop old notes. Think of Nigeria's population. Compare it to the number of offices available for this process to take place.

These people are just wicked and insensitive. Meanwhile, the ability of Nigerians to withstand suffering is only rivalled by Nigerians' tendency to direct their anger in the wrong direction, like those ones going to burn banks and attack bank workers.

You were given 31st January to deposit all old notes, you didn't. An extension of ten days was given, you didn't. Even if you were given till thy kingdom come, you still won't.

I know I am being insensitive as there are many who are just victims of this whole thing.

The real blame goes to the APC governors and Buhari that gave the extension of the deadline. And also the Supreme Court for medling with economic policies that doesn't concern them.

Irrespective of whether you support the policy or not, the key point here is just comply. If it fails then we can now hold the appropriate quarters responsible. As it stands now, what we will be hearing is accusations and counter accusations.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
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Empirical explanation can't be used 2 prove the existence of god but god sent down fire 4rm heaven when the prophet of Baal challenged Elijah the prophet? We have heard abt a talking snake..talking donkey, a man walking on d sea all happening in d bible. Yet with d advance of science, tech, internet & camera 21st century god of men cannot empirically show evidence 4 gods existence.

In the scientific method of empiricism, before you carry out an experiment you have to state your hypothesis. It is based on that hypothesis that the validity of your methodology is gained.

In this case, the sample is God. This is based on the premise that being God, He is bigger, greater etc than all that we can think or imagine. This means that His knowledge is beyond whatever tests we may want to carry out. If there is a test, that can define God and even derive a formula for His existence, then He is not God.

Scientist cannot even describe a formula for the particle of gravity how much more God.

So in conclusion, God cannot be defined through empiricism.

raumdeuter:
Roland17 itsrm

PDP cancels rally in Rivers

https://www.nairaland.com/7567479/pdp-cancels-presidential-rally-rivers

So what will happen in Rivers, will they mobilize PDP agents, who will do the mobilization or is Atiku conceding Rivers state to Obi

Hopefully Tinubu gets 25%

I think it's due more to security. Three of Okowa's details were killed last week. It's sad that politics has to degenerate to this point.

Itsrm:
https://www.nairaland.com/7567717/all-6-sw-states-labour

Oasisx

Where were they in Nigeria politics that they are now denying knowing PO? Imagine them saying LP are after money and then join APC. Which party dey share money? It's either they are just moles or plain stupid.

Expect these kinds of news. People will come out and say different kinds of things.

https://punchng.com/northern-apc-govs-wont-deliver-for-tinubu-ex-nhis-boss/

All these things are just to attract some attention

iamoyindamola:
Do they have the new notes to give if not thunder will fire them
By the way the country is on auto pilot concerning this naira palava everyone is doing what they like
Some are accepting while some are not

CBN has decided to kept silent. This silence actually is deafening as the nation seem confused. They want to pass a message to the mumu Supreme Court that wants to take over CBN responsibilities.

hopefulLandlord:
that's correct but not in the context of this discussion sir


Those don't know either they're speculating

My brother these are theories not speculations.


That's why I said in the world of scientists (those who we depend on for facts and truths) it's 50-50. The reason is because for some of us the things we see are so overwhelmingly in favour of God. Most of the others of a truth are just being defiant.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Show us the evidence of his existence.

Good.

Now when you say evidence it's a big word because evidence means empirical explanation. If God is dog, we can do that. We can take him to a laboratory and prove it. But if God is God, then empiricism is not the way to prove it. Rather we use logic.

As a practicing scientist I have asked myself and other colleagues this same questions and here are my conclusions:

1. There is order in the world. Nothing happens randomly. That's entropy. Scientific.

2. There's design. From galaxies to atoms. Everything is well designed. There's replicability. The laws of nature are same every where in the universe. Human gives birth to humans, dog don't reproduce goats etc.

3. There's mystery. If we know and can explain everything then we can know all that exist. The fact that somethings that are very obvious still remain mysterious show that there is a higher knowledge. For example, as common as gravity is to every thing that exists today, there has not been any explanation to it.

4. There's life. The fact that life, as common as it is on planet earth does not exist anywhere else known to man. Not even in the nearest planets or even in our nearest galatical neighbours. Life does not exist anywhere else. Not even bacteria.

5. There's moral justice. Without God there can be no justice in the world. Man is limited, there has to be an all knowing personality that must ensure justice.

6. There is the soul (or spirit). Despite all our similarities with animals, the fact that there's a soul in all of us that determines our choices show that there are dimensions beyond the physical world.

7. There's history. Mankind in all our history have told stories of divine encounters. Many of these stories are similar in their narratives. Whether true or false, over 8billion believers cut accross all corners of the world sharing testimonies and experiencs cannot all be fools.

hopefulLandlord:
Nobody knows not because I don't know

There are a lot of things you don't know, that doesn't mean other people don't know them.

There are explanations for many things.
There's the big bang. There's general relativity. There's quantum mechanics. If you don't know doesn't mean others don't.

hopefulLandlord:
neither does it mean we're created to be......

I don't get you.

First you oppose random existence. Then you oppose creation.

Is your philosophy is that of 'I don't know, and no one knows' ?

Jodera:
Hopefully, we'll get to see this boy before the end of the month.

I really miss his presence in that frontline

His presence would help to break low block defending. This is because he will not hang out with those CBs and so they will be struggling to know who to mark.

Nketiah makes it easy for them as he stays with them effectually denying us of an extra man.

They key to breaking low block defending is to either add an extra man to the CF role (this is preferable) or the CF moves to the sides leaving the opposing CBs idle (in essence a false 9)

If you believe in Otem you are not agnostic. In fact you are religious.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
That's not really h0w it works. You have the burden of proof since you claim god exists.

I believe God exists but I have not made that claim to you.

So if you believe answer, if not ask me to give my own proofs.

hopefulLandlord:
Honestly I don't want to go into that. truth is were here, we don't know how and we don't know "why". we can only make guesses

Either way I'm of the opinion that the fine tuning argument is absolute rubbish

This is true at the bolded especially for the free minded.

An ant walking on a tree branch is not aware of the three dimensional space around it.

A baby that is born is not aware of the consciousness around it.

Does that mean that those don't exist?

The answer is no.

That I don't know how and why we are here, does not mean that we were not created to be.

Donjazet2:
Of all languages in the world, this person chose to speak facts.

Nice read.

But the poster in a bid to rubbish all the candidates so as to create a balance or sound impartial attributed failures to Obi that shouldn't be.

1. ASUU strike is a national crisis.

2. Poor electricity supply is also a national crisis.

Those should be blamed of the FG and presidency not a governor.

For me, it rubbishes all he wrote. I mean how is he different from all of us or anyone campaigning for his person?

hopefulLandlord:
when I said "the world is random" you need to understand it in the context of the entire post. What I meant is that there's nothing that points to some invisible entity interfering in our affairs. if there's one then such an entity is must be doing it in a way that's suspiciously similar to random chance cuz when bad things happen those caught in it get burned regardless of their religious or non religious affiliations.

Ok. But do you really believe that the world exist by chance? That randomness is nature?

Ellexy:
The funny part is the guy has come out to deny knowing anything about the letter yet top APC handles shared the fake news and lies.

They were calling Obi liar in the beginning but time is a revealer. It didn't just reveal that they are lairs but how they're fully entrenched and baptised in it. Nothing about them is true, from their principal to their campaign pictures to their promises.

APC simply took advantage of the desire for change and sold us on a platform of lies and deceits.

They started with N1 to $1

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
I no talk say god does not exist.

Do you believe He exist? What evidence proves your answer?

hopefulLandlord:
Those who say God doesn't exist are not blaming him for natural disasters, they're more asking those that say their god is benevolent how they can reconcile these disasters with a loving god.

I always ask people who believe in a god that interferes in our affairs to tell us what horrible physically observable incident can only happen to a non god believing person AND what favourable physically observable incident can only happen to someone that believes in your god. till today I'm yet to get a sound answer

could it be world is random and when that randomness happens to favour you and you credit an invisible entity but that invisible entity then "works in mysterious ways" when that doesn't favour you?

Do you think the world is random? Yes or no.

You can explain if your answer is neither yes nor no.

BlueRayDick:
But why does APC as a party keep doing this ? Why do they keep doing this to the Christian faith ?

First they adopted a Muslim-Muslim ticket claiming it’s for strategic purpose. From that moment they’ve taken every step to justify their stand even to the extent of parading “Agbado bishops “ . We all know the mockery they did in the process would never be directed at the Muslim faith ; they dare not .

Now they are writing and forging letters alleging pastors got N2 billion naira just to soil Obi’s name.

Will this people ever stop ? Do they have any line they cannot cross no matter how sacred it is ? I understand for people like Keyamo and it’s just sycophancy at play, but what happens to the other reasonable people in the party ? Don’t they get the memo before some of these evil mechanization are set in play ? Don’t they have the courage to speak against going this low ?

When you have a candidate that is not sellable, a candidate with unknown origins, a candidate with ugly past, you fight dirty.

They want to do everything to make other candidates look like their own, because the evidences against their candidate are to obvious. They chose Mu-Mu candidacy simply because it suits their political goals. To win at all cost. So while Tinubu himself is a bad muslim, Shettima is an extremist.

APC are using the methodology of lies and propaganda because it has always worked for them. It worked against Jonathan, it has always worked for Tinubu. They said he founded Lagos state and his cronies ran with the news. I pity the likes of Fashola because they have sacrificed wasted their efforts and achievements on the alter of another man.

Finally, they know that if someone like Peter Obi becomes president, that would mean the end of their political careers as Peter Obi is not your usual politician.