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SupremeCourt:
Passive PESA is the easiest type of radar to build. Even Korea and India, etc have gone beyond PESA, they are busy with AESA radar. China has moved ahead of AESA to build QUANTUM radar.

I'll be on the lookout for the one you've built...since its so "easy".

We had previously discussed this a few months ago. Someone asked how far this project was....well here's your answer . A clue as to whether this technology will be used for military purposes.... its being funded by Armscor.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-49827/

"Passive radar technology is being developed in South Africa by the CSIR, academic institutions (the University of Pretoria and University of Cape Town) and private companies (Peralex Electronics and Lochtron) as well as Armscor, which is providing funding and support.

Prototypes have been built and tested from 2013. In the Western Cape, passive radar receivers were able to detect large airliners at bistatic ranges of 500 km and also detect and track a Cessna 208 light aircraft. A test in Gauteng in 2013 was able to detect a Cessna 172 aircraft flying at 2 000 feet above ground level at a bistatic range of 168 km and accurately predict the revolutions per minute of the aircraft's propeller. . These tests were done by using FM radio transmissions as the illuminator of opportunity. There are currently passive radar receivers at the CSIR and South African National Space Agency Space Operations.

The CSIR is also working on using passive radar to detect and track small unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), using DVB-H (Digital Video Broadcasting - Handheld) television signals. Using these short-range signals, the CSIR was able to detect a DJI Phantom small UAV in a test conducted at the CSIR's facilities in Pretoria.


Unlike traditional radar, passive radar only needs a receiver to detect signals emitted by other sources, such as FM radio towers, TV transmitters, WiFi and weather radar. This makes passive radar (also known as passive coherent location, passive bistatic radar, piggyback radar and covert radar) cost effective, safe (no emissions) and highly mobile. . By using several antennas one can use triangulation to identify the location of an aircraft, or by using a single receiver one can use the angle of arrival of the signal to determine a target's location."

lionel4power:
Not a good idea during conflict. Terrorists frogmen can attach a bomb at the hull at night.

I highly doubt that would happen (military - civilian mix) during conflict.

lionel4power:
seem decent for low level protection.

what of the umkhonto.

Umkhonto is part of the final phase. "Phase 4" I believe.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-49801/

South Africa's Ground Based Air Defence System

According to the latest Armscor annual report, the first phase of the SA army's long awaited ground-based air defence systems (GBADS) - the local warning segment (LWS) - has been delivered to the Air Defence Artillery Formation in Kimberley and is operational.

Phase two of the programme is in two steps, the first is the upgrade of the gun fire control systems (GFCS) of the 35mm anti-aircraft guns currently in service with the Formation. The upgrade will provide a radar-guided, autonomous gun fire capability which, Armscor states, will "significantly enhance operational capability".

In the 2016/17 financial year a further 10 35mm guns (Mk5A and Mk7) were locally upgraded and accepted. The final three radar sensor units and three gun fire control posts were delivered and integrated onto both gun variants.

"Successful operational test and evaluation was conducted at the Alkantpan and Overberg test ranges. Two complete gun fire units, with both gun configurations and ammunition, destroyed all aerial test targets during live firing by trained Air Defence Artillery Formation members.

"Excellent progress has been made toward delivery of five autonomous gun fire units with carrier vehicles and an upgraded mobile support capability by the end of 2018."

Phase three of the GBADS programme addresses the battle management, command and control, communications, computers and information (BMC4I) integration within the Mobile Air Defence System (MobADS) Regiment and to higher order users.

"The project," according to the report, "is currently performing the system study with the objectives to establish an allocated baseline and have a development plan approved in the 2017/18 financial year".

On the new generation tactical communication system, Armscor notes the project addresses acquisition of "a complete new generation, tactical communication system" for the SA National Defence Force (SANDF). It will fill the tactical communication requirement of all four services and ensure full inter-operability between users, no matter which service they are.

The system has state-of-the-art transmission and information security, incorporating semi real-time data link performance and digital voice communication.

Developments of various elements have been completed and will result in the first tactical communications system in the world providing complete inter-operability between all battlefield elements without using gateways or protocol convertors, according to the report.

SAN...

Can people move on now.....jeez

newafricaken254:
members here are more civil than you racist Afrikaners,i never seen Nigeria arguments between each other end up like your racial superiority demeaning contest ,on other members as you gang up on them

Only time I ever remember singling you out, was when you made a post along the lines "how come we never see SANDF" in multinational exercises. Then proceeded to post pics of Kenya in multinational exercises. You were low key trying to say KDF was superior. People generally don't single someone out for no reason.

newafricaken254:
members here are more civil than you racist Afrikaners,i never seen Nigeria arguments between each other end up like your racial superiority demeaning contest ,on other members as you gang up on them

What happens if I happen to be black lol? Racist...Blackikaner perhaps? Dude just chill, you're chatting with random people somewhere in the world...don't get emo over a thread.

Kalapizim:
Well the text book recommends a 100m spacing but troops hardly adhere to this for one chief reason which is reducing the risk of convoys been breached especially with VBIED been driven into security convoys.
My opinion : some of these text book manuals don't apply to current scenarios today. That's why doctrine must always be reviewed in line with present and past operations.
This issue shouldn't cause another meltdown guys

This meltdown was very predictable. Obvious it would happen....At least I already have my popcorn.

ActivateKruger:
Because what is basic logic in South Africa is not basic logic in other countries. This is when you realise why the British and the Americans are always teaching some African armies basic combat skills.

Let me garb my popcorn for the forthcoming thread meltdown....

Algerian1:
look very difficult same like algerian preselection for some SF units , its for regular infantry soldiers who wants to join the maroon berets ? maroon berets its it a special force unit ?

No maroon berets are just paratroopers. Not SF.

patches689:
On topic

The entire selection process for the SANDF's parachute regiment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsCdTYxHwCs

Is this not just "pre-selection"?

medic555:
hello experts in the house

I'm not an expert, just don't want to see you hanging. I would say anything below a 44 (sorry 0.44 caliber) most well designed vests could stop. I'm talking "normal" vests without extra heavy plating that a typical policeman may use. Why? Are you planning on getting shot?

But ballistics isn't an exact science. Some people have been killed by rounds their vests were meant to stop and vice versa.

newafricaken254:
Is the american military telling us the whole truth,the widow of the last fallen american soldier.say's that she was not allowed to open the coffin,was the american soldier captured and executed ,his corpse desecrated by the attackers or wild animals and vultures feasted on his body considering it took 48 hours to find his body !?

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fGbvTnHoIE

Or maybe he was simply shot in the head? No wife needs to see that.

So did Nigeria kinda just give up on JF-17? Haven't heard anything about that for a while.

Kinda sad when someone trolls their own thread

SA Navy seems to be on a maintenance (or something) drive. Pics by Allan Roy, saairforce.co.za

andrewza:
None. This is a over the hill drone. As in "what's over that hill? O my a seleka ambush"

I'm not saying they stand at North Korea's border and try fly one from there to his home/mansion. But drones the size of flies (which the U.S definitely has) are easy to smuggle into anywhere really....get a spy posing as a tourist to release one into the capital. A few days of flying around and a government building can be entered.

P.S I know what Black Hornet is used for, hence I said "secret Black Hornet type" drones.

frumentius:
You heard it on this thread first .



http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49650:sa-army-keen-on-black-hornet-uav-&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

I wonder how many secret Black Hornet type drones the US has buzzing around Kim Jong-Un's kitchen as he makes (or orders someone at gun point) tea.

andrewza:
Long time ago. Though the project is on hold till farther notice. Still though experiment.

Oh I misunderstood you...thought you meant preferred bidder announced like recently.

andrewza:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5bb27d3f4f9fdf199d7fad3814942b2e31ef8290392a1c8a324c42374e25f6a8.jpg


So the sea axel 2600 is the prefered bidder though it actual set up is not known yet. Still at over 100m and 2600 tons it will Handel the sea conditions better than the strike craft. They will be great for anti piracy, poaching and smuggling.


My weapons list is a 76mm, 35mm DPG, 2 20mm supper Rouge, 4 12.7mm supper Rouge and 16 Umkhonto missliels. As the heaviest option light weight would be 20mm supper Rouge 4 12.7mm Rouge.

When was this released?

frumentius:
I thought that was really ridiculous. Doug over at the http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/ got a notification about OPSEC when it came to taking pics of the sub leaving on a classified 40-day deployment.
Weeks later, the Navy News magazine asks him for permission to use his pics of the sub departing !

Where was the sub going? For 40 days even. You can share, we won't tell anyone.

lionel4power:
since we've all calmed down...

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any remarks on this... [Analysis] South African Air Force Gripen versus Angolan Air Force Sukhoi Su-30K flanker who wins?

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http://www.africanmilitaryblog.com/2017/10/analysis-south-african-air-force-gripen.html?m=1

Didn't read the article (no time right now)....but stole this nice pic lol.

SAAF Gripens

lionel4power:
its a .44 magnum not 44 magnum.

now you are making ludicrous claims too.

Most people drop the point in front of the caliber size when casually talking about it, and you know this.
You just wanted something to say.

.22 - most people just say 22

.44 - 44 Magnum

.5 - 50 Cal

3 stripes

frumentius:
Check out this French A400M on its first ops deployment to Niger on 01 Sept.
It's one of the reasons I prefer A400M and AN-70 for strategic lift to the Il-76. Imagine subjecting that turbofan to this!

Also, in the medium tactical lift category, one of the reasons I suspect the Brazilian Embraer KC-390 will struggle against the C-130.

Yeah...jet engines tend not to like dirty & stones

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Denel NTW-20 rifle in service with SANDF....it should really be classified as a cannon . One of these was apparently used to take out M23 officers in DRC, if true.....ouch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXKPOzyj-gI

iblawi:
Let this case rest please. Many of us have corrected Henry already. The claim wasn't made by proforce because I watched the video myself. 12.7mm is not a joke not to talk of 23mm.

Move on bro, its not a war.

Hence I said "but anyways".....wasn't looking to take it further after that.

fufubear:
It isn't too far fetched that an mrap can withstand a 23mm 2a7 AP round. That gun isn't known for its armor penetration. What I can find as the best AP round for the gun is an APFSDS-T round that is only capable of penetrating 30mm of RHA at 30° from vertical at 100m (if someone finds a better one feel free to correct me).

This could mean that the front is probably resistant. Sides could possibly be penetrated but it wouldn t be easy. The rear I don't think will be all that easy either. This is alo speculation though because without knowing the actuall armor type and thickness we can't really tell what it can or can't resist. What we do know though is that the ara is pretty heavy for an mrap which could possibly mean enough armor to deal with the API rounds of the 2a7.

And I'm pretty confident the AA gun being referred to is a zsu 23 since those are the most common used by terrorist organizations. Other platforms like the bofors are stuck to old mounts and have limited magazines which make them unfavourable to mount on a Hilux.

Just simply look at pictures of ARA's side and rear doors when they are open. If anyone thinks 23 mm will struggle to pass through that, they are simply delusional. And then Henry talks about Dynemma as if its a magical material, when in fact its in the league of body armour/Kevlar...meant to stop 44 Magnum rounds. But anyways