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jln115:
Well if honesty is what you want let me lay it out for you:

You are the definition of a hypocrite. You intentionally post provocative content one this forum to solicit a response from specifically SAn members of this thread, when they do respond you are the first to play victim.

Fact is if we really wanted to we could have posted (unprovoked) many photos, videos and other content of the many many failings of the Nigerian defence force, we could've posted shot down planes and attack helicopters, killed soldiers, destroyed NA vehicles, videos of NA soldiers running away, news articles of Nigerian army bases captured by rag tag rebels(that's BH BTW) ect ect.........yet we don't out of respect for this thread.

Just an example: You post a picture of entangled SA paratroopers(Which was very interesting btw) Frum responds by how their training kicked in and they were able to untangle themselves thanks to their training, Nigerians respond with laughing emojies , asked why they are laughing YOU(even though you were not mentioned) respond by saying it's because of incompetence.....obliviously SAn respond and you play victim.

This is it true. Take for example one of their most recent displays of incompetence, which unfortunately resulted in a loss of life. I can't even begin to imagine what he would have said if those were SAAF aircraft that collided. I don't recall anyone who even brought up the word incompetent, when the video clearly demonstrated what is was for all to see.

Every couple months you read of Nigerian soldiers getting killed in groups of 5,6,9,11,13 or more. But we don't come running to post here to get a reaction. I will keep saying this over and over again, Henry grew up getting way too much attention. You can hear it in the way he thinks his opinion is that of the god's. But anyways, moving on.

Sizzorkay:
Now you are questioning my maturity? might wanna slow your roll dude.
If i find something hilarious, that isn't your concern, we are different people, and i certainly didn't argue about the explanation offered,so that doesn't change anything, if it's so common, then perhaps something should be done to address it, so instead of getting your panties in a bunch and talking about me not being an adult about it, might wanna focus on solution instead, until then, it's a joke on those who get tangled, i care less what you think about that.
so what's your problem? Jeez.
I was the one telling Henry not to start something, , some of you on here get so defensive

You were just hiding behind "I'm not an expert" to be a subtle troll. Hence I focused on you. Henry is a known troll, so I left him. It doesn't take an expert to know any of this, you visit this forum often enough. Hence you have a decent idea of such matter, or at least an interest in it. You exposed yourself by saying "that's what I thought" meaning you already had a basic idea or opinion. If you found it funny you would have said so in the beginning. Yes it's a funny looking pic, but you were just poking for a reaction. You got, congrats.

You not caring is exactly equal to me not caring if you care or not. So it's a zero sum total.

frumentius:
Are you seriously debating with the same character who posted a video here of a basic jump at some graduation ceremony, and falsely labelled it as a "combat jump behind enemy lines"?

Lol I didn't know this. But not surprised.

Sizzorkay:
Lol, wanna start something Henry haha.
But yea, that's what i was thinking, since they jump from a moving aircraft, colliding in the air shouldn't be a common thing, but like i said, I'm not expert.
Sure it's not funny for the guys tangled up there, but i gotta say, it's a bit hilarious to see in pic or video

You don't have to be an expert in military anything. Just be an expert in being a human being. If it has already been explained to you that the parachutes open immediately after exiting the aircraft.... what part is left to be incompetent about?

Are the parachutes in the pic you see controllable? Can a typical paratrooper move himself left, right in that type of parachute? They are simple drifting to the ground. This doesn't require you to be an expert in anything, just be an adult and open your eyes.

Sizzorkay:
Could better spacing have avoided such incident? Just curious, i know nada about military matters lol.
But if they jump with good amount of pause one after the other, and they timed at which altitude to open their chute, could that have helped? Now of course I'm sure they thought about all that, just wondering out loud.

The chutes open automatically when leaving the aircraft. From then on, it's pretty much the wind that takes you (although they know the general area in which they'll land). So every now and then paratroopers will bump into each other and tangle.

As opposed to pathfinders that have different types of parachutes which are far more controllable.

Henry240:
No, the soldier's incompetence put him in that situation.

Lol okay. Cool

Henry240:
That's exactly why we're all laughing.

Considering how long you've been following military matters, it's embarrassing to hear you say that. So yesterday was the first day you saw such an image? How sad. Thank God for Reddit.

Dear Henry. Once a paratrooper leaves an aircraft (whether he is American, South African or Nigerian) what is the major factor which determines his direction? How much control does he have over the path he follows?

If you knew the answer to that you'd know the image you are looking at is common. His training is what helped him stay calm and open his reserve.

bidex111:

The sad thing is that you don't even know why you're laughing. You suspect you're laughing along the lines of 'incompetent f00ls', but in reality you don't know why .

Henry240:


Also add Half salary for October and no Salary for November.

Which equals more than annual salary for employees at your ghost state company . I'm beginning to doubt that company even exists.

Just the logo bro, that's all. Just the logo. Let's forget about the name. Post the logo .

Henry240:
We are not struggling to buy tissue papers.

So i can't fill anyone in.

Why would anyone want to buy a company that can't even buy tissue paper, for $1 billion no less . For real bro, what's the name of your state owned defence company? Okay okay fine...let's start at the basics, does it have a logo?

How old is it again? 40/50 years?

I'll stick with the 'no toilet paper company' for $1 billion thanks.

Henry240:
I'm looking forward to Denel being described as 'partly Saudi-owned defence company".


How i wish Augugust was still active here to see this happen.

Partly Saudi, partly German, partly South African...don't forget that part. Imagine a defence company being partly owned by the world's 3rd largest buyer of defence equipment, how r-tarded is that .

Please fill us in on any news regarding anyone... literally anyone that's willing to have a stake in Nigeria's state owned defence company. I honestly forget its name, but I'm pretty sure its been around longer than Denel. Literally anyone, even if it's Fiji or Tonga....just keep us updated please .

Henry240:
Let's keep sentiments and petty differences aside. It's in the body of the post you made.

The Saudis are making a major investment targeting all of Denel's business operations.

1 billion dollars is no small investment.

And you don't know what the breakdown of that investment is. You can't answer the basic question of how much Denel's 49% stake in RDM is worth, so you don't know what balance is left to partner in other Denel divisions.

So you saying the Saudis will take over Denel is just guess work. The investment might only be worth $700 million, but the Saudi's are desperate.... who knows. Add in the fact that South Africa might want to protect certain IP.

Best to wait for a time when actual deals are struck instead of guessing.

Henry240:
Thanks for the post. So in essence the Saudis want a large stake in Denel and also a part of Denel's 49% stake in RDM.

That's by no means a minority stake like Jln115 is claiming. That's a major take over if affairs.

Your claim of a 'large stake' is equally in the air as 'minority stake'. How do you know it won't be a minority stake? You are equally stabbing in the dark.

There is no heading in accounting which falls under "That's a major take over of affairs". It's purely based on percentages. So we'll see what happens by the end of December.

Henry240:
Say's who?

1 billion dollars can't be for a minority stake. With that figure, they'll fully control Denel.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-53678/

"Saudi Arabia has made a $1 billion bid for a broad partnership with South African state-owned defence group Denel that would include acquisition of a minority stake in a joint venture with Germany's Rheinmetall.

This is according to a source familiar with the offer who spoke to Reuters. Currently heavily dependent on imports, Saudi Arabia, the world's third-largest defence spender, is seeking partnerships to develop its own domestic defence industry with the goal of localizing half of its military spending by 2030.

Saudi Arabian Military Industries (SAMI), the kingdom's state defence company, told Reuters last month that it was in discussions with all major South African firms and aimed to conclude the first deals by the end of this year.

According to the source, who asked not to be named due to the sensitivity of the talks, Saudi Arabia was targeting Denel's 49 percent stake in Rheinmetall Denel Munition (RDM).

RDM is a South African-based joint venture formed in 2008 between Denel and Rheinmetall Waffe Munition GmbH, which holds the remaining 51 percent stake. It specializes in the development, design and manufacture of medium and large-caliber ammunition including artillery shells.

A Rheinmetall spokesman declined to comment. The German government is currently reviewing all arms sales to Saudi Arabia after the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

Industry sources said RDM operates independently and is subject to South African law, which means exports from the unit are not subject to German government oversight. The sources said they did not expect that a change in the ownership of the venture would require a German government review.

Under the Saudi offer, SAMI would also finance research and development in other Denel divisions including Denel Dynamics, which develops and produces tactical missiles and precision guided weapons.

Denel and SAMI would share intellectual property and under a new joint venture would target defence export markets in the Middle East and North Africa.

Finally, Saudi Arabia - already a top Denel customer for military vehicles, artillery munitions and radar equipment - would purchase a certain amount of the group's production. The Saudis expect an answer from the South African authorities by the end of December.

"Saudi Arabia has made a unique business proposition to the South African government. As our discussions are not finalised yet we cannot provide any comment," SAMI CEO Andreas Schwer wrote in response to Reuters' questions.

"RIPE FOR PARTNERSHIPS"

South African President Cyril Ramaphosa last week said Denel was "ripe for joint-venture partnerships". But he added that the government had not yet weighed the Saudi bid or proposals from what he said were a number of other suitors looking to partner with Denel.

A Denel spokesperson would not comment on any specific bid, saying that such negotiations take place on a state-to-state basis.

Ramaphosa's spokeswoman Khusela Diko said the president would only make a decision on the Saudi offer to partner with Denel once it was discussed by cabinet.

"No decision has been made yet," Diko told Reuters.

The source with knowledge of the Saudi bid told Reuters that Rheinmetall informally approached Denel's board last year aiming to deepen its collaboration with the company.

The source said Rheinmetall had, like Saudi Arabia, expressed interest in acquiring Denel's minority stake in RDM and other Denel divisions but was rebuffed."

61mech:
What unit is that ?
I'm not totally opposed to women deployed in a combat zone (i'm in favour of all female units though) , but damn, some of those girls are a bit on the heavy side !
I'd have the same opinion if they were male soldiers in that shape btw.
Its one thing to bring them out for the odd photo op when they're stateside, but that's a combat zone. A lack of fitness can get you killed.
Some of the units that got into trouble at Bangui had to run for their lives or get slaughtered. No joke.
You cant compromise on fitness. There's no way in hell some of these ladies get through the first 2 hours of Vasbyt.

I may be completely wrong here, and I'm not speaking from any point authority. But I reckon one or two of those female troops may have been taken out of their typical roles and put into that particular patrol to "make up the numbers". I believe those pics were taken on women's day.

Official Jane's article after the AAD pics...

https://www.janes.com/article/83909/rg31-gets-trt-30-weapon-system

South Africa’s Denel Vehicle Systems has developed, using internal research and development funding, a new version of its RG31 Mk5 4×4 mine protected vehicle as a mobile gun platform called the Ibululu.

The baseline RG31 is typically used as an armoured personnel carrier (APC) with the troop compartment extending to the rear.

On the rear of the Ibululu, however, is the Denel Vehicle Systems Tactical Remote Turret 30 (TRT-30), which in this configuration is armed with the Russian 30 mm 2A42 dual-feed cannon and a 7.62 mm co-axial machine gun (MG). These weapons are laid onto the target by the gunner seated in the protected cab using a flat-screen man machine interface (MMI) and twin control handles.

TRT-30 traverse is powered through a full 360°, with weapon elevation from -15 to +55 degrees at a speed of 55° per second. The actual depression can depend on the platform it is fitted to, as this may be limited by hull top obstructions. If required, prohibited zones can be programmed into the system so that any obstructions, for example on the roof of the platform, can be avoided.

An automatic target tracker (ATT) is fitted for increased accuracy while the platform is moving. The sighting system consists of a stabilised day camera with a continuous zoom from 2.5 to 22.5°, a thermal camera with similar capabilities, and an eye-safe laser rangefinder. The latter has a maximum range of 10 km (6 mi).

Denel Vehicle Systems said the Ibululu platform has a gross-vehicle weight (GVW) of 14,500 kg (16 tons), of which 2,000 kg is payload.

Its front-mounted protected power pack is a Cummins QSB diesel developing 205 kW, coupled to an Allison 3000 SP fully automatic five-speed transmission and Axle Tech BT600R transfer box.

Maximum road speed is quoted as 100 km/h (62 mph) and the Axle Tech 4000 (5G) suspension enables cross-country mobility.

Henry240:
Well, DICON is not the defence company struggling to buy tissue papers for it's staff.

And it never will be a defence company struggling to buy tissue paper for it's staff.

Centrifude:
From bad to worse

https://ewn.co.za/2018/10/15/dept-sa-in-talks-
with-saudi-arabia-over-buying-a-portion-of-denel

What is "worse" about that? Denel is not a stranger to such deals, as is evident with Rheinmettal Denel Munitions. The only problem with Saudi Arabia is it's human rights record, and how that might negatively affect Denel and SA outside of the Middle East region.

There is supposedly a behind the scenes fight between Saudi Arabia and Qatar in getting a stake in Denel.

There were moves about 10 years ago by MBDA to buy a majority stake in Denel Dynamics. This was refused as SA did not want to part with its missile IP. That is strategic. Armoured vehicles and ammunition are another story. I suspect the likes of Denel Dynamics will again be off the cards in any deal.

Henry240:
Denel should not be making military equipment alone. They also need to sustain civilian clients to ensure survival.

We seem to be talking about Denel money issues all too often.

Well it's the same issue. It's not like it goes away after 2 weeks then reappears again.

Algerian1:
South African Badger behind schedule as SAAF Hawks lose A-Darter



Charles Forrester, London - IHS Jane's Defence Industry , 17 October 2018

Yeah the Badger program had really gone pear shaped in the last 24 months. Firstly, the company mentioned there (VR Laser) should never have been allowed near Denel. If you have ever followed just a hint of SA politics, Google who used to own that company.

Now Denel is paying the price. One positive though is the development of the LCT 30 turret which has already been exported.

Centre pilot celebrating 4000 hours.

SAAF pilot handling high G's like a boss. 9G test for 15 seconds in centrifuge.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mkj9qEn1BU

gees9:
Didn't notice before, but the former OC of 2 squadron Musa Mbhokota is in the second photo, fourth from right. Anyone know if he works for SAAB now?

He's a reserve pilot for 2 Squadron. I don't think he's publicly stated where he works now.

SAAF members in Sweden for High-G training. From pics it's elements of 85 Combat Flying School and 2 Squadron.

@GripenNews

Denel’s Miniaturised Guidance System moves towards tests

South Africa's Denel Dynamics' Miniaturised Guidance System (MGS), formerly called AcuFuze, is being internally developed to boost artillery accuracy for 155 mm artillery projectiles and unguided surface-to-surface rockets.

The first application is expected to be for 155 mm artillery projectiles, but first all up firings are expected sometime in 2019 using a 122 mm artillery rocket.

The Denel Dynamics MGS provides two-dimensional course correction via an inertial measurement unit (IMU), Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) receiver unit and antenna, power supply actuators, and a de-spin assembly.

The guidance, navigation, and control code is hosted on the navigational processor and, according to Denel Dynamics, can navigate in GNSS denial regions.

The design is hardened to withstand high acceleration launches that, when using the more recent 155 mm artillery projectiles with a full charge, can be up to 1,000 m/s.

Although no details as to the circular error probable (CEP) have been announced, it is expected to be between 10 and 20 m at all ranges.

The MGS can be fitted to 155 mm artillery projectiles that have a deep fuze well, and Denel Dynamics can customise its design for other applications.

SAAF

GreenandGold:
Relax, I didn't see anything wrong with his statement.

Malawian (I believe) troops in the DRC.

Taken word for word from @djolivier. But all good, I don't own the English language.

Yeah, upgraded R5's look good.

SA Police Tactical Response Team

lionel4power:
and why should I do that?

I post it here as I see it?

Oh I thought you ran your own military blog. Just from a professional point of view, to distinguish yourself from the verbatim words of another military blogger. But to each his own, more power to you.

lionel4power:
One doesn’t often get to see a South African Army mechanised battalion on the move.

And at least try edit the title into your own words before posting.

lionel4power:
SA Navy submarines...

Operational Status: Unknown

October 2018

That picture is from 2012