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tdayof:
Question why has SANDF never participated in exercises with foreign Air Force.



Judy respond with the exercises name? We all have pictures of aircrafts in foreign countries so we can all claim they were there for some certain exvercise.


I knew someone posted pictures of the German Tornado in SA for a certain reason.

Edit: The tornado cams for the OTR. Pictures were posted in here then.

My question is who is asking? Even if SAAF has zero exercises with foreign air forces....so what? Who in SADC region can we hold a major exercise with using Gripen? Maybe Botswana soon, possibly Zambia.

What benefit would there be flying all the way to Egypt for an exercise? Why don't they come here?

newafricaken254:
the German tornado jets came to use the Denel Overberg Test Range (OTR)

So there is no exercise with joint SAAF and German aircraft? Yes or no?

newafricaken254:
can any south African elaborate more about this incident !?

Type that headline into Google. See what you get. Post the article here for all of us to enjoy.

newafricaken254:
so you once deployed to Sweden in a combined air operations exercise in 2012 ,thats one

Where has your confidence run off too? Where are your " "? And I'm not sure about your schooling, but as far as I'm aware ONE > NONE, as you so confidently claimed.

The SAAF Gripen jets in the video below are flying with a foreign air force over Cape Town. Name the foreign air force and tell us how often that exercise occurs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni37l-FXinc

overhypedsteve:
a55 hole.

You're in for a terrible time if you can't stand criticism. The welded on section doesn't make sense, plenty people here have stated that. Have you not also had a negative opinion about a specific piece of military equipment from anywhere in the world? Those people now have the right to call you an a55hole?

If you want to join the big boy club, get ready for big boy criticism. Stop crying, pull your pants up and rather give any technical reasons why you think there's nothing wrong with it. Its a welded contraption, not modular, can't easily be changed.....deal with it.

newafricaken254:
answer the question,because we all know that south africa gripen jets have never undertaken any dogfight training exercises with a foreign air force in south Africa or foreign country

In your opinion, do you think this air base is in any African country? Think why I would ask you that. Answer carefully.

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barineh:
They're good but are not better than Nigeria and South Africa. Total nonsense.

You clearly have no clue as to the scale of Egypt's military. South Africa and Nigeria's assets combined would be swallowed up by them.

Denel Ingwe missile

Old video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo6_emb8abM

Odunayaw:
So I should start bleating? When did your comment begin to count for something higher than the sound of fart?

It never did. You're basically having a conversation with yourself dude. Move on.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-49231/

Armscor seeking torpedoes for Type 209 submarines

Armscor has issued a tender for a heavy weight torpedo system for the South African Navy's Heroine class submarines, some years after it was announced that the Navy will be getting new torpedoes.

In a request for offer dated 11 September 2017 and entitled "Fully integrated heavy weight torpedo system (HWT) for the SA Navy Type 209 Mod RSA Submarine," Armscor said it "intends obtaining formal and binding offers for the acquisition of a heavy weight torpedo (HWT) system for the South African Navy (SAN)."

Closing date for the tender is 5 March 2018, with a compulsory bidders conference planned after the issue of the request for offers (RFO) - this will take place in Simon's Town between 23 and 27 October 2017.

Odunayaw:
What's this? your bowels couldn't hold the excreta in?

Nope. I tried holding for 8 weeks, then...disaster

http://www.702.co.za/articles/272980/83-sandf-vehicles-gone-up-in-smoke

83 SANDF vehicles gone up in smoke

Several vehicles belonging to the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) were destroyed in a fire at a vehicle depot at Wallmannstal north of Pretoria last week.

An internal investigation into the incident is being conducted.

Erika Gibson, Senior Specialist Reporter at Rapport broke the story. She says the the official response from the army is that the only one vehicle that burned was serviceable.

Yeaahhh....about that . Money making scheme.

jakeporeshenko:
I don’t know what a billion rand is worth.

More than a billion naira. Lol

overhypedsteve:
so how is it that your special forces guys are members of the anti-spam poaching task force.

I don't think they are. I know Task Force is, and other military units. But even if they are, it would probably be considered a deployment to the border. In any case the idea is that the military is only called upon last within SA's borders.

overhypedsteve:
isn't that what join task force are meant for? So special forces cannot be part of Joint Task Forces for internal security operations? That's messed up.

I think the intention is to completely disassociate the military from the daily running of the country. I'm sure only 1 in 300 South Africans even know the names of our top military generals, as opposed to places like Egypt where generals hold immense power.

jakeporeshenko:
What do police officers who are qualified combat divers do

In South Africa's case, I believe special forces are not allowed to be deployed within the borders of SA, only externally (I might be wrong). So if you are dealing with a highly sophisticated syndicate or terrorist group that might be using waterways to conduct their business, a police unit that uses fast boats and divers will come in handy.

Vikkie14:
The statement in red is in contradiction to the one in green. Something Unmatched is something in its own class....simply put, it's second to none which make it the Best.
C'mon buddy, you know better than to twist words.

Anyway, let's post on topic. NUFF SAID.

I know how to spell best. I would have simply said "they're the best police unit in the world".....and I was very careful to always use the word training. Number of those who apply, compared to those who qualify....maybe someone can show me other police units that have similar drop out rates, there are very few. And its pointless trying to say who exactly is best from those few, so they all have equal rights. But ya, nuff said.

Vikkie14:
Being"The Best" and "One of the Best" are two entirely different things.

Vividly recollect someone said something similar to this on the ARA and all hell was loose on him.
Claiming your country has the Best Police STF the world over is something I find too extreme.
I can't even argue this with you guys because the load of sh1ts I saw on 10 pages back weakens me. Ah! It's something else.

No one said they were the best. I'll repeat for the last time, at that level it's irrelevant trying to rate. Same as trying to find the best between SAS and Delta. I said their training can't be matched.....by pretty much all police units out there (local & global).

Odunayaw:
All STF members are divers?Haba

http://www.sapstf.org/Training.aspx

Weapons Training – Six (6) Weeks

Members are trained for proficiency in the following categories:
• The use of assault rifles;
• The use of shotguns;
• The use of submachine guns;
• The use of pistols;
• Fitness and strength; and
• Unarmed combat.

Basic Rural Operations – Six (6) Weeks

Members are trained in the following aspects:
• The use of support weapons;
• Reconnaissance;
• The use of grenade launchers;
• The use of foreign weapons;
• The use of minor explosive devices;
• Pyrotechnics;
• Bush craft;
• Battle craft;
• Navigation;
• Heavy vehicle operations;
• Follow-up operations; and
• Helicopter orientation.

Urban Operations – Seven (7) Weeks

Members are trained for proficiency in the following categories:
• Urban reconnaissance;
• Securing dangerous suspects (high-risk warrants);
• Securing dangerous barricaded suspects;
• Other high-risk urban operations;
• Urban helicopter orientation; and
• Planning, command and control of urban operations.

Hostage Release – Five (5) Weeks

Members are trained for proficiency in the following categories:
• Advanced individual/team movement;
• FIBUA ;
• Hostage assault planning, command and control; and
• Tactical assaults on -
o Aircraft
o Trains
o Vehicles
o Marine Vessels.

Parachuting – Four (4) Weeks

Members are trained to deploy by:
• Basic static line;
• Static line with equipment;
• Static line night parachuting;
• Free-fall;
• Free-fall at night or water jumps; and
• Free-fall with equipment.

Survival – Two (2) Weeks

Members are trained on:
• Static and mobile survival in the bush;
• Basic tracking;
• Escape and evasion;
• Resistance to interrogation; and
• Unsupported route march through the Kalahari Desert.

Upon successful completion of the course, members are issued with ‘wings’ to demonstrate that candidates are free-fall parachute qualified and full-fledged members of the unit. A further two (2) years’ service is required.


Special Task Force Advanced Training Cycle

This phase requires two (2) additional years whilst working operationally within one of the Special Task Force units. The training cycle includes:
• Rescue operations (mountaineering and other rescue techniques);
• Chemical and biological defence;
• Explosive identification, breaching and bomb disposal;
• Improvised explosive devices and weapons;
• Operations medical level 3;
• Advanced VIP protection;
• Emergency scuba diving;
• Advanced rural tactics and survival; and
• Counter-insurgency (bush warfare).
Once a member has completed all the compulsory post selection training courses and has served in a combat section for a period of two (2) years, operator status will be achieved and confirmed by the receipt of the operator’s badge at a parade usually presented by the Chief of the South African Police.

Sizzorkay:
Unless someone on here doesn't understand English very well.
Odunayaw is right. When you make a categorical statement, defend it with proof that covers other units the world over, or don't make silly statements to begin with. better yet rephrase your comment and this is all over. That's why we've had so many arguments on here in the past, when people call something the best in Africa etc. Now enjoy your Sunday fellas.

A link to a radio interview

http://www.702.co.za/articles/255396/saps-task-force-regarded-as-one-of-the-best-in-the-world

Gareth Newham - Institute of Security Studies

Odunayaw:
the bone of contention is the training. Am a fan of the STF hell I have a library of their photos gotten from this thread

The issue is with the bloke saying training can't be matched.. what then do we say about the Hong Kong SDU? British CTSFO?EKO cobra,GIGN their training is inferior?
How did he adjudge the training am very curious

Hence I said at that level saying 1st, 2nd or 3rd is irrelevant. Matched by anyone locally, and most globally. Thee end .

Odunayaw:
One of the best trained is damn different from can't be matched

Except we r speaking some different language that phrase is equal to saying other police units have inferior training

Yes. Most police units globally have inferior training to the special task force, that's a fact. If they are upper tier, is it not then obvious that other police units aren't as well trained? Their training can't be matched.....can't be matched by all units within SA & most units globally.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5mv2vg0oZA

Odunayaw:
"Their training simply can't be matched" what is this? I thought you preached against unsubstantiated claims here

It's similar to saying "US Marines are one of the best trained fighting forces out there". There's no need to go and verify that, its true. SAPS STF is at the upper upper top tier of police training globally. Their training can't be be matched. "Can't be matched".... at that level its irrelevant saying they are 1st, 2nd or 3rd.

Odunayaw:
but why!

But why what?

http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2016/10/13/hostage-standoffs-and-shootouts.-that-have-made-headlines-over-the-years


“There are 397 specially trained negotiators in the SAPS who deal with a range of situations including hostage situations‚ kidnapping incidents and dealing with suicidal or mentally disturbed persons.

“In addition to negotiators‚ the SAPS has the Special Task Force (STF) consisting of 99 intensively trained police officers who specialise in high risk situations where lethal force may be needed‚” Newham said."

Apparently 99 guys (last year) in a police force of how many thousand? Their training simply can't be matched.

Henry240:
No Sir, that's not the oil that cogs this thread. There are enough photos to post in this thread.

Most of the South-Africans apart from Greenandgold don't really care about posting pictures.

The likes of Frumentius only post to prop up ego and whatever little dignity he has left.

Ya and you are here on a humanitarian mission. Acting like you're Jesus's cousin. Please

ActivateKruger:
The best medium lift helicopter in the world, serving our troops in the DRC with excellence.

You're going to start a fight

SANDF TRAINING


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNo6axEV-6U

mortar

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//1b2c8566772714e09835cd4735935d37.jpg

gboye1999:
I recall something about spare tyre placement being wrong in an earlier post by someone....
Is that really the case compared to this.

I think he meant ARA spare tyre is resting over (not above) the other tyre.
You will have to ask him.

Sizzorkay:
Will you guys cut out this childish bs.
How many times we are gonna see same pics (Casspir pic that is ). Just because Henry posted two of same pics doesn't mean you should respond by posting 5 of same. It's childish. Y'all need to grow up with this Nigeria vs South Africa bs. You just gotta learn to let some things go. We aren't 6yrs old

No. Henry has not only posted two of the same pic. Way more than that. Go back a few pages and you'll see ARA
posted almost 6 times on one page at times, that's what @jln115 was saying.