₦airaland Forum

abiodunalasa:
First of all, I am not talking about South Africa alone. So dont take it personal. I am talking about the entire Sub-saharan Africa.
And then do u mean those who use "tacticool" gears it doesnt work for them? Anyways, Your second paragraph already contradicts your first...so lets hush that part..

Now the pictures you added.. god damn those are one very sweet rifles there. Pls post more of the rifles. Preferably just only the rifles no soldiers thanks.
Now back to my concern, why cant we mass produce these "tacticools" for regular joes? Why is it only the Spec Ops that gets to use them?

A fair deal of that gear offers no real advantage in real world conditions. That's why there are forums and forums of debate on the issue. Defence companies have the best markets on the planet.

No contradiction. If a plain R4/R5 does the job in certain situation, no need to trick it out. In other cases a scope might be useful.

And money of course....what tangible benefit are you getting for spending that much on regular troops?

Shorter than the Super Puma, longer than the Puma. One of a kind Oryx.

Pic by @jarryd305

abiodunalasa:
Chief that rifle is ugly. I don't know why subsaharan African countries go for ugly aesthetics when it comes to rifle.
Can't we have shiits like this...
Or its our feather head leaders sitting on the money... making us go for ugly ass rifle ?

Because South African SF's aren't trying to be "tacti-cool" and Gucci warriors. They use what works for them, not what looks good. But they do of course have/use "nice" looking rifles with all the furniture added.

But if you want slightly more pimped South African rifles, there you go...

nemesis8u:
Mosquito / insect repellent head cover ?

Yep

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Gets asked a question about rifles, replies talking about helicopters lol.

ESR 220 Thutlwa early warning radar - SANDF

Xbee007:
Is the cockpit armored?
Does it emergency parachuting system?

Both front and rear seats are ejection seats. If there is any armour below the crew it would most probably be very basic. The canopy itself is just that really, a canopy.

Henry240:
I really don't like the design.

Does it have a gun? 30 or 25mm?

Armed version has a 20 mm cannon plus the usual rockets, guided missiles etc. Cannon in nose...difficult to spot immediately.

Close to ten years from conception, design, testing and manufacturing. Arguably the most noteworthy project in SA since Rooivalk.

Paramount AHRLAC

Marauder carrying Denel Ingwe

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Armscor....the most comprehensive video about South Africa's defence industry you'll watch. Then take into account how Armscor, CSIR, DENEL and SANDF all work together to produce particular solutions & products. Just too bad that funding at the moment is limiting the industry.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q-SbAANXeo

Inside Denel's Pretoria Metal Pressings factories. Manufacturers of military & civilian use ammunition.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXBoSxO_baM

jln115:
Been to Oom Kobus's house a sh1tload of times, I'm very good friends with his daughter..... But the article is a bit outdated, as he hasn't worked for Carl Zeiss since the end of 2012.

Yes. Even "Carl Zeiss" isn't "Carl Zeiss". But still do the same work.

SAAF PC MK II. Role - pilot training.

-Front Cockpit
-Rear Cockpit

For those who enjoy reading technological facts....some extra random info. 3 periscopes were delivered to Germany in 2017.


"South Africa is one of a select few countries in the world with the know-how and advanced manufacturing capacity to produce high-quality periscopes for modern submarines.

Local technology company, Carl Zeiss Optronics today opened its new facility in Centurion where the periscopes will in future be manufactured and assembled. The opening was conducted by the Chief of the Naval Staff, Rear Admiral R W Higgs.

Kobus Viljoen, the CEO of Carl Zeiss Optronics, says the local company has a long history in the development and manufacturing of periscopes. It started in 1990 when the former company Eloptro (Division of Denel (Pty) Ltd), upgraded the periscopes for the South African Navy’s Daphne class submarines. Following this successful project the first export contract was won by Eloptro in 1997, for the upgrade of periscopes of two U209 class submarines for a South American country.

In 2001, Eloptro and Carl Zeiss in Germany signed a cooperation agreement to jointly develop and manufacture a new periscope to be fitted to newly build submarines of the German shipyard. This cooperation was a result of the acquisition of new submarines by the South African government and the obligatory industrial participation by foreign companies with the local industry.

With the growing successful cooperation between the two companies, Carl Zeiss Optronics from Germany decided, in May 2007, to acquire a 70% holding of the former Denel company. The company was renamed to Carl Zeiss Optronics (Pty) Ltd.

More than twenty-five periscope assemblies have been successfully delivered to Carl Zeiss Optronics GmbH in Germany, which are integrated on submarines sailing all over the world."

Visual representation of the Ingwe missile's penetrative capability through thick steel plate.

Covert1:
Story for the gods.

Lol! The same old cliché! It is the glee of some to poke a hole in every Nigerian success story.

Henry knows exactly what he's talking about. Even Nuclear weapons and it's delivery systems is no longer rocket science talk less of LUH. Even when is blasted in you guys face every day the ingenuity of the Nigerian you still choose the shallow path of dishonor. Nigeria is only showing that in a time of war much like the Americans in WW11 it has the capacity to bring to bear the needed resources both human and material on a huge scale to win the war in this region.

To inform you those Nigerian missiles are not in limbo. They do exist...the engineers are continuously working on it to make it behave more intelligently. Nigeria does have weapon capabilities not known in public. I leave here.

You are fighting Boko Haram, not the 3rd Reich. Calm down with your delusions of grandeur...as well as the delusions of your technical sophistication. Take things one step at a time, and you'll get there eventually.

Very few countries can effectively design and manufacture the main rotary bearing and assembly on a helicopter. Not to mention the balancing, materials, aerodynamics, electronics etc. Each of these need a pre-existing industry with experts. You're just going to build the whole thing "soon". Oh okay.

And about your "missiles"...that must be the most secretive conventional weapons program on planet earth. Even Lockheed Martin & Boeing openly announce when they are working on new conventional weapons, but Nigeria.....hush hush for nothing .

Anyways, that's my last reply on the topic. Back to pics.

Henry240:
As is usual, you were making a mountain out of a mole hill. Except if you have an ulterior motive, my comment is pretty easy to understand.

Same doubts were expressed when Nigeria first ventured into the production of land systems only a few years back. Yet here we are today with proven land systems and foreign exports to 3 African countries.

The fact that you'll compare MRAP's to LUH speaks volumes. It is a completely different sphere of engineering & technical know-how.

Did we not have this same conversation with the guided missiles story. Where are they? The secret guided missiles on that island.....remember them? The ones where i said you will develop no such thing within 10+ years. Sounds familiar?

Unless a foreign manufacturer is going to setup an assembly plant in Nigeria, it will take many many years before one is designed & built in your country. Not "soon". That's a simple fact.

fufubear:
You're reading way too much into what I said.

Henry said that a LUH could be produced in the future.

You said it's not close.

If you dont believe what was said in the article that's on you. I simply posted a news article to prove that Henry isnt simply just pulling this out of nowhere. Since that was essentially your claim.

With that said it's very possible that a helicopter prototype could be produced within the year and no news being reported on its developmental process. If the company producing it mentions nothing about it to the press it goes unheard of until its unveiled. Not everything is super publicized.

For example the f117 nighthawk was unheard of for a very long time and I remember hearing nothing about the Tsaigumi until it was unveiled.

"could soon be achieved"....what is soon? If by soon he means the year 2030+, then I humbly apologise to him. He is "pulling it out" of the work being done by the NAF currently, and getting over excited. Under estimating what it actually entails.


And the rest of your reply....a project is either well documented or it's a black project. You know full well that Nigeria or anyone on the African continent won't be designing anything close to the level of secrecy required for the F117. It will be a well documented program, so that example is irrelevant.

But no worries, I'm pretty sure I'll still be browsing this thread year end. I'll eagerly await the news that soon to come.

fufubear:
Hes not making it up from nowhere though. It clearly says here that a prototype helicopter is supposedly in the works.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/265388-buratai-says-army-to-produce-own-helicopter-soon.html

At some point you just have to sit back, calm down and look at basic facts. There is no shame in calling out B.S, even if it comes from your own leaders.

“This is one issue –prototype helicopter that we are very much concerned about and we hope to have it on the ground very soon,’’ Mr. Buratai said.

Look at that statement, analyse it. Assuming you follow global military news, compare it to what you know about the defence industry. Go to sites likes Jane's Defence, look at how they report step by step on projects.

"Bell Helicopters wins contract to develop.....Bell begins design of....Bell to start test flights in October....Bell to begin manufacturing year end." Step by step by step, over a number of years that it takes to produce such a complicated system.

Now 2 months ago your Army chief says you'll have a helicopter on the ground very soon. Is it 10th generation stealth that no one knew about it? Do you recall many years ago on this forum when "Nigeria was designing & testing guided missiles/rockets".... what happened to them? There was lots of noise, 6 years later...nothing.

Unless I don't know what a LUH is, don't just swallow information without filtering it.

SternProphet:
It is a disgrace that the F7NI was using CRT for HUDin the first place. This is why I always recommend buying western technology. This is why NAF would rather have a US or Eurozone platform over Russian or Chinese.

Also, sorry to burst ypur bubble but you need to be advised that Nigeria is far from a locally made LUH helicopter. Very far. We need at least ten years of work and the right technology management strategies to achieve it.

We need to shortlist about ten technological areas now and start prioritizing areas within those technologies that we will do local development and other areas we will do joint ventures and dome areas we will steal or copy technology.

Technology management is a field and there are suites of managemnent strategies involved that people study in university. It is not just wishing and going out to do. You set up a structure, you set up a policy and you do strategies and implement.
There is a need to set up a body to do all these things.

That's the thing I don't understand about Henry. One minute he is talking perfect sense, the next he makes a shocker of a statement like that. 10 years minimum before Nigeria could ever design & produce one. Rotary wing is an order of magnitude more complicated than fixed wing aircraft.

Autonomous Underwater Vehicle by Institute of Maritime Technology, under the state owned Armscor. To be used for mine detection and surveying.

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South Africa is pretty much self sufficient in the development of radar and electronic warfare systems, and exports many of these to Western nations. CSIR maintains constant research and design capabilities in this sphere.

Last pic is of CSIR Inundu pod fitted on a SAAF Hawk.

Once upon a time. Denel 155mm ramjet concept to hit at 70 km+. Stole pics from djolivier.

Ratel Enhanced Artillery Observation System. 30 metre mast.

Vulture UAV system. SA Army


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JZZbTtLAIc

Seeker 400

SAS ISANDLWANA - South African Navy

Milkor South Africa looking at developing a UAV. Same guys who produce the grenade launchers.