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geoworldedu:
The bible is written by human beings. There is another book which also stated that God of the bible was created by another thing. Go and read Book of Truth. That's the name of the book. Should we believe the book because it stated how Jehovah your god was created?

Fallacy! She did not ask you to believe the bible as True, she only asked you to look at what it Said as Truth, if you can dispute it.

Which you can"t

Which is why you are fallaciously creating what you want to use and argue, thereby committing OFF POINT!

Her argument stands!

JessicaRabbit:
Cultures around the world have creation myths. The Egyptians had a cosmic cow birthing the sun god Ra. The Babylonians had Marduk slaying a sea monster to create the earth. Creation stories are not an exclusive element of Christianity. Besides, if the Bible is the ultimate authority on history, then why does it contradict verifiable facts? The Bible might be a fascinating collection of stories, but when it comes to demonstrably true events, it drastically falls short. Unless, of course, you believe the world is flat and the sun revolves around it.

Fallacy and shift from post.

The topic was Nostra and prophecies but now you have craftily shifted post to creation stories and bible falling short on True events.

Whereas, Isreal's return to their land in 1947 is looking at you!

If only people would learn and see that you atheists make invalid arguments!

Wilgrea7:
You probably want to tell me that this alleged god is way beyond human understanding and so on. Now my question to you is, why can't I say the same for the universe?

To reiterate, I'm not saying the universe came from nothing. I don't understand the universe neither do I understand how it came to be or why it's here or why it's the way it is. And I'm honest about it. If you want to claim a god is the answer to all these, then you need to also answer why the said god is here, why he/she/it is the way it is, how it came to be, and so on. And most importantly, with reasonable proof.

The floor is yours I guess.

I.have always told you, stop setting yourself up for someone to call you stupid for are we all not seeing how the universe is?

And which normal person cares why stars are in the sky or why we walk on our legs and not on our bellies?

And which normal person has not concluded that it is this way because Whoever made it, made it to be that way as He wanted it? After all, your house is as you wanted it to be no matter who you put in it.

Thirdly, even asking "why this or why that" IS GOAL POST SHIFTING! The topic is Proof of God/how the unoverse came to be [/b]and not why this or why that!

[b] Then from time immemorial, no one has been able to come up with any othet reasonable and valid alternative beyond that it is God Who made it.

So, until another valid and contendable answer is given, God Wins, exactly as this 4 stand guilty unless they show that another person commited the crime, because a crime cannot commit itself, exactly how the universe did not make itself

https://www.nairaland.com/8131334/magnus-okeke-four-arrested-over#130585940

Wilgrea7:
you're still very good at responding without adding any actual value to the conversation. Welldone.

The value is that i pointed out the fact that if you could read what she said then you saw she said "look at a house" which we all know you have no reasonable or valid answer to give, which is why you are complaining about my sticking it to you.

Wilgrea7:
I'm sorry... but your evidence for a god is leap holiday coming from "holy day", and red moons and leap years?

Nah... at this point you have to be trolling or something.

You are the one trolling because clearly you cannot deny nor refute nor truthfully counter any of these clear facts!

So clearly, you resorted to troll since you cannot answer, exactly what happens to.all lies because it is The Law "THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH!


So, your trolling and and attempt to rubbiish my response witbout any facts just proves you have nothing.

thesolutions:
Circumcision is not part of the 10 commandments. But circumcision is the beginning of the law that separate the Jews from non Jews as God was perceived by that law to be strictly for the Jews. The 10 commandments is different from the religious law of the Jews. No non Jews had access to God or the temple but by Jesus we now have access to God.

Hope this thread will enlighten you.

thesolutions:
Circumcision is not part of the 10 commandments. But circumcision is the beginning of the law that separate the Jews from non Jews as God was perceived by that law to be strictly for the Jews. The 10 commandments is different from the religious law of the Jews. No non Jews had access to God or the temple but by Jesus we now have access to God.

Is it not the fact that God got over close to the jews, even to the point of Speaking to then that makes them separate from others?

Deut 4:7
For what great nation is there that has God so near to it, as the LORD our God is to us, for whatever reason we may call upon Him?

See, you dodged answering the question "is The Law different from The Commandments?" because you already know that there is no difference for Law is Commandment and Commandment is Law.

And what you do not appreciate is that every time God Speaks, Law/Commandment comes out!

https://www.nairaland.com/6625238/every-word-god-law-commandment#103176717

So, whether circumcision or adultery or stealing or lust, ALL ARE LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, that should be obeyed in spirit and Truth and fact!

Maysdevices:
Wetin dey cause una own frustration when una dey call all Nigerian women useless here every day?

She’s copying several popular male commenters like Jeromestarks who declare here that Nigerian women are useless everyday

Let her be or feed a troll, your choice

No mind those ones. Na because una kind don show dem pepper since dem bin tink say dem get sense.

mrrandomguy:
It is either you are a bot, a non-playable character, an ignoramus or an illiterate.

See madness. See as person bo fit differentiate human being from bot and illiterate from literate.

Woman don fuq dis one up die!

Inferior man!

Negroid001:
Ok. Keep to your God oo. Your life your delusion.

Same you should have done with your anti Godism and delusion, yet here you are crying out your delusuon and wish for no God!

See madness o. What an inferiority vomplex

thesolutions:
The 10 commandments and the law referenced here are not the same..

I don't understand you, is The Law different from The Commandments?

Negroid001:
I don't argue with people that believe their religion is supreme.

Inferior people never like to.argue with superior people and cannot which is why you are trying to bring her down to your level!

Negroid001:
Your God is fictional, liks Zeus.

Only in the deludedd minds of crininals. Like armed robbers saying "who be police?"

JessicaRabbit:
I take it you've never heard of Nostradamus?

Whiteman babalawo

Wilgrea7:
1. Using the bible as proof of the god of the bible is like using Spiderman books as proof of Spiderman. It's circular reasoning.

2. You're basically trying to address the question of why the world exists.. but that's merely an offshoot of the question, why there's something rather than nothing.. and a god does not answer that question

She said "a house is constructed by someone" do you not see a house?

Get your head right!

Wilgrea7:
I've read the Bible.. I'm yet to see any evidence of the god you're describing in there.

I'm not saying your god does not exist.. but so far, I'm yet to see any tangible evidence that suggests it does.

You do not see that all over the world we have "holy day" changed to holiday?

Or the leap year only occurs in nigeria alone?

Or did you not see Isreal return to their place in 1947?

Or did you not see the red moon?

Guy, rest, God does not need you.

Negroid001:
Who is myopic?
The one who believes in something that was indoctrinated into him or the one who is free?

You were also indictrinated into your anti Godism!

ReacherSaidNoth:
Who is making the claim that it all came from nothing?

In reality, god believers are the ones who believe in nothing, because you believe in a god made by nothing, who created everything out of nothing.

The only intelligent position to take as regards the origin of the universe is that we don't know. If we ever do find out, it's most likely to be through scientific effort, not stone age religious beliefs.

You cannot claim you don't know for you already see and know that on this universe, nothing comes out from nothing.

Negroid001:
Where was God during the Holocaust?
Where was God during the Nigerian civil war?
Why didn't God protect the end sars
massacred protesters even with all the prayers?
There are always multiple churches or a mosque in most streets in every part of the country, why isn't your dead God answering Nigeria's prayer?
Why do most Nigerians become less religious after leaving the country?

Do the maths.

This is very stupid. You don't care about anybody but your misery filled sellf which God had already fore said happens to those who do not follow Him.

And when God came He Said "it is finished".

So, finish as you wamt to finish!

mrgbenga1:
John 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

This means do not increase your problem but common sense tells you.to also xlear past problems.

kasim155:
Including your male siblings, your male cousin, and every male in your family both your extended family and your nuclear family.

No mind the cursed thing. Na curse and failure dey cause her frustration.

Nwandol:
I watched a video of a man of God that said if a woman had done an abortion in the past, repentance is not enough, that the said woman or man involved must do abortion prayer to be totally free from condemnation. Then I ask myself, I thought the Bible said when one is a new creature, old things are passed away and all things become new.

Wben you have new camry 2021 is it the same as 1990 camry?

WeirdAlien:
Always back up your assertions with scriptures, and we're talking about new testament in this case.

Go and reread. New testament is old testament returned because Isreal cast it away.

Which as you still see, they still do not have it nor do they obey God!

VOsimhen144:
Christian should simply move on.
Jesus Christ has paid my debts.

Below is what I told all the people wey I dey owe money since I gave my life to Christ.

Ubi jus ibi remedum! Ubi malus, ibi remedium

hisgrace090:
Very deep and difficult for today church to understand having bn too long in practicing of the law.

Where do you see them keeping The Law? Is it not in the aame church that you see whores and fornications and adulteries and neighbour envying neighbour?

paxonel:
Africans Christians, do they even comprehend what is law and what is Grace and how they apply differently?

Someone like one mumu StillDtruth will continue to be in perpetual confusion

As you proved you are indeed the stupid African in your thread where i took you down and you could not answer. Fool

https://www.nairaland.com/8082735/no-grace-gospel-grace-sayin/1#129896740 where

thesolutions:
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You might expect Paul to be more upset with the believers in Corinth, who were involved in all kinds of public sins and immoral activities, but he was not. His intense reaction toward the church in Galatia reveals what is of priority to God. It is clear that in God’s eyes, believing the wrong doctrine is worse than exhibiting wrong behavior!

When it came to wrong behavior in Corinth, Paul was cool and collected toward the believers. He was able to handle their wrong behavior because he knew that the grace of God was able to take care of their spree of wrong behavior. That is why he was able to speak positively to them, even telling them, “I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus” (1 Cor. 1:4). But when it came to wrong doctrine in Galatia, he rebuked the believers there because they nullified God’s grace by mixing it with the law.

Read well! Paul did not attack The Law he only addressed The Law on circumcision with regard to its physical (flesh) implementation, whereas, All God's Laws are spiritual and the emphasis is on spiritual conpliance.

For do you see him contend with The Law of stealing? Or of adulter? Or of fornication, whoredom and other Laws? No

It is only this circumcision Law he addressed because it is physical therefore people are bound to forget its spiritual side and implication where the substance is.

So paul only reminded everyine that The Law is spiritual and its due compliance is in the spiritual and not in its physical in repeating what Moses said to wit "circumcise yout heart"

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit

Deut 10:16
6 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

So, you see a very clear example of where Paul is Upholding The Law which you people err and teach that Paul said The Law is aboloshed!

paxonel:
Africans Christians, do they even comprehend what is law and what is Grace and how they apply differently?

Someone like one mumu StillDtruth will continue to be in perpetual confusion

See madman's mix. You saw Law/Grace then you post pic of my comment where i disgraced your stupid.post on perfection where you stupidly thought no one can be petfect without Jesus. Yet the bible clearly shows 3 people who were perfect even in the days Jesus had not yet come!.

And you could not answer.

And Truth pain you so tay, you bring am kon here again. Fool, as i told you, you are too stupid and you have already secured your permanent residence in hellfire.

DeusXmachina:
And a question, do you think holding a belief is a choice?...?

That is what growth and adulthood means for it is the time and opportunity every one has and gets to evaluate their living and experience and to.ratify or discard choices imposed on you or made for you where you get to exercise your own right and choice/choices of how you want to live or die and other choices.

See example of growth and adulthood!

wumiwumi100:
Guy, I am still angry at myself for not waking up earlier from this useless religion. I was angry at my parents the first time I realized I had been brainwashed. Why would they make me get baptized at such a young age?

Courz
Me likewise. I am also regretting why I didnt wake up sooner. You know, the more time you spend in this Cult, the more time you waste because your whole life is tied to it. But if you had woken up sooner, you would have achieved a lot with your life because now Watchtower is no longer a middle man to your life. No stumbling block. I pity JWs who took life decisions tied around the Cult. When they wake up, they usually turn out to be the most brutal apostates alive. It is not too late. The bit we can do is expose what we have seen to save others who are also questioning. Our parents didnt know any better. They did what they felt was right. Now we have the choice to change that and make sure we dont produce generations that will be captured by this Fraud of a religion.

And see, DeusXmachina, when these attack their former beliefs, if you are fair, you would see that whilst the supporters of their former beliefs flee from them these ones are ready to address any and every issue in contention.

That is how it is when a person is on the right.

KnownUnknown:
I also love you for amusing me. Happy now?!

Kai! See sense. Damn

IMAliyu:
I said "permissive" not "support" don't twist my words.
And are you going to honestly argue that the Bible didn't say the quoted scripture in the OP?

To permit is to support a cause of action.

And the Kjv bible shows it in its correct and accurate light and Trutb saying "servants" and not slaves.

For everyone has a duty to serve and has at one time in their life served others, therefore showing The Law that service is allowed. And service work means "servant" hence "civil.servant"

And servant means employee!

But as shown in the bible "whosoever sellls a man (obviously slave trader/human traficker) is liable to die. Exidus 21:16 thereby attacking slave trade.

Whereas, what The Law allowed is Contract of Service/Contract of services, which as you.see is abused by wicked evil people, even today.

So, Exodus 21:16 and all the other Laws i posted have already destroyed and prohibited any form and practice of slavery

IMAliyu:
This is a different type of struggle fam, which is still bad, however ownership over another human is mostly outlawed around the world and very very few people will try to justify slavery today like they did in the past.

You can quit your Job and leave and no one is going to hunt you down like an animal and bring you back in chains. So yes things are slightly better.

It's like I'm pointing out it's good smallpox is a thing of the past and you're bringing up malaria exists, both are bad, but both are different diseases.

As long as you have admitted it is bad i won't push it much but, it is not malaria but small pox upgraded and done without the need of physical chains.

And haven't you seen that slavers today have even curtailed the rights of employees to quit from their service?
https://www.nairaland.com/7543214/previous-company-sued-me-court/3#120426265

https://www.nairaland.com/3715276/resigned-after-receiving-salary-trouble/3#55134335

Slavery Reloaded and upgraded!