₦airaland Forum

Aprocco:
May you see the light of truth and salvation.
Same Jesus you quote commanded us to go to the uttermost part of the earth to preach the gospel.

Bible recorded many instances of Jesus, Disciples, Paul traveling on ships to minister beyond their borders.

These GOs you criticize have obeyed a commandment after God's heart and have so doing drawn your condemnation and consequent prize from God their sender. Just imagine what you have drawn for yourself.

May God show you mercy

Was it not their own monies they used for travelling? Did they buy the ship or buy a ship? Or live in stupendous riches? No

Your pastors are not from God. They are rich sourcerers like Simon

bamayo:
They have not justified the reason for possessing private jets at all. What's the impact of thier numerous churches on the society? Nothing. Have churches reduced crime in Nigeria? The answer is no. When the impart of church has not yet be felt in Nigeria so, why taking the gospel to 197 countries. The reason why people are criticizing them is not because of thier gospel has no impact. Atleast the gospel should reduce crime in Nigeria. Instead of buying private jets, why can't they use the money to build industries?
Industries will have much impart on our society than big cathedrals. Many people are Into crime because there's no job. I don't think building gigantic churches, buying jets which will take the church alot of fortune to maintain is the best options. They are just behaving like Nigeria politicians, who are not productive. Provide industries, most of our challenges will be solved immediately
But the churches will never do that. More industries means less people in the church and less money and church will gradually fade
The reasons why so many people are in the church is because they are less busy. Busy people don't have time for church. Busy people don't have time for some prayer points like because most of the prayer points are not necessary

Especially as this is not what God commanded.

Bennycollins:
Who are Christians?

You are supposed to know by now.

Emzedz:
There is no hellfire or heaven anywhere.. don't deceive urself.

Yet you fear death.

maestroferddi:
God is more interested in your righteousness than your using money to purchase his love....

And righteousness means obeyiing Him and calling a snake, a snake or a person behaving like a madman, a,mad man.

Incrediblekutty:
Are you not the same person that was arguing up and down in another post about how disobeying the commandments of God by not paying tithe may lead one to Hell?? Prepare to rot in hell too, coz the Bible says 'touch not my anointed'. Shey you say you dey mad niii

Paying tithe is me trying to obey God!

But is tithe supposed to be used for buying private planes and luxury cars when the people they collect from are hungry, homeless and jobless? No.

If God commanded provision to be made for the poor, who do you think had the duty to provide for the poor?

Answer; The Levites and the priests where tithe and offering is paid.

Just say you want to abuse me because you did not like what i said.

sonofsteven:
Sorry to mention you

Our lord Jesus Christ did travel to places to preach

On boats because at that time, boats were the only means to travel across the world.

Now we have aeroplane

You and I know that flight can be canceled or delayed and stop over dey too etc...

If the members have the means to buy it,I see no reason for you that is not a member neither contributed 5kobo to complain...

If we talk about building schools that the members can't attend due to high fees

If a church with standards build a school, are they to employ average teachers or lecturers to teach, getting a qualified teacher to teach requires huge expenses, school itself needs finance to keep running,church itself needs finance to keep running because equipment for church go need replacing if damaged,chairs,speakers etc, light bills and fuel ... if they subsidize the school fees etc for only their members, how are they to know the members, will they be able to cater it for life abi na some members and leave the rest kind of treatment... meanwhile, most of this churches have primary and secondary schools which are being subsidized and y'all don't care to know that one because e no dey news

One thingni know about the internet is that it gives you what you need to hear to generate views,comments and likes because in this present part of the world, bad news sell faster, you need to use your own hands to promote the good things you do else none will notice it but if you do 1million good things and mistakenly do one bad thing, expect the bad to cover the good you did

Peace be unto you brother

You are free to mention me.

And He never owned a boat. Plus He did not travel around the world only around Isreal. For as one man brought sin and death and one man took it away, even one community can change the world.

And that is the Power of One and God's pattern is to use One, not many

It is devils who use many and need many to accomplish a thing which is why atheists, jws, muslims need to be many to accomplish a thing.

On schools and church running, it does not count.

Why, no one forced them to create one.

If God sent them to do the, He would surely provide and sustain it by Himself even without them disturbing anyone. Exactly as if i invite you to my house i am responsible for your good welfare. I cannot be asking you for money for fuel.and generator because nepa.took light or that the chairs you and your children whon i invited got damaged or that one of your child damaged my speakers in their play.

No! I invited you to do you good so i must bear the cost of my invitation.

It is only right if you unsolicitedly makes a donation which is even bound to be rejected because that donation must be right also.

And under this, we all know first hand that people do not make bogus and inflated donations. And where they do, we all know that they want something that you cannot give or should not give if indeed we are God's messengers exactly how Elisha rejected Naaman's gift and Peter rejected Simon the sourcerers payment.

And that is why i have to say didpleasing you that Oyedepo and co are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are not of God!

For Moses and the prophets did it, who gave them gifts?

The Lord, Himself did it and His disciples too, who gave them plenty gifts?

gold360:
Why does the catholic church insist that a non catholic man must either convert to the catholic faith or agree that his catholic lady must still continue in her catholic church after their church wedding or he wont be allowed to marry her in a catholic church? And even more strange why should the man agree that the children that comes out from the marriage must all be raised in the catholic faith (which is the church of the wife and not the husband ?)

Shows you that catholic is a cult like the jw, amorc, enckanker etc

You stiil have not learnt from Samuel. Your good people is not God's good people.

But for God's good people what you people call bad things are their promotion exams. Which is why God is Goood!

paxonel:
Ok,
Let's educate ourselves.

The question i was about asking Rev Olu Johnson is that, do Christians really need this evangelism movement that will warrant a private jet?

Don't you think that what should be mandatory for believers in Christ is to embatk on evangelization which is to convert non Christians into Christianity?

This is wrong and this is what people complain about.

The commandment is to preach, you have no right to convert anyone for what you do to others should be done to you.

So, if you say its right to convert others to christianity, therefore it is right for jws, Otem, Encanker, satanists, muslims etc to convert you like bankers and telecoms.

And The Lord, does not violate rights, so He did not command conversion. He only Said preach which is talking alone which is all He did.

FxMasterz:
They received gifts. Yes or no?

Did they give any of them horses and chariots and carriages and even lands or houses? No.

Sorry, your pastor Oyedepo and co are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are falls prophets and not of God!

Michael547:
So would Samuel join saul to do what is bad by responding to saul through a witch medium?

See it over proof you are a mad person.

[quote author= post=131789087]But God gave humans the wisdom and where withal to refine this creation of his (the herbs and all) and convert it to help humanity medically, don't you think so?[/quote]Yeah, so snyper can be used to solve your liver problems and poison ivy can be used to cure mother's cancer.

All in all, you can never deceive God.

Michael547:
😂Did Jonah 2:2 not say that Jonah was in hell?

Since no man has gone to hell yet, where are the souls of those who have died?

See madman. I say hell fire, madman is saying hell.

If you were not too stupid to read you would have seen that hell is cast into hell fire aka lake of fire. But you are too stupid to read so you open your mouth to speak foolishly.

Michael547:
Lol.....it clearly shows that your teaching is false....why are you singling out only tithe out of all the numerous laws given to the isrealites?

See how you prove you are completely mad and stupid. The topic is about tithe.

FxMasterz:
Oyedepo doesn't make any promises to receive gifts. People who have been blessed by his ministry gift him everyday. He rarely buys anything with his money. Even factories abroad send him regular gifts of clothes, shoes, etc. .

Thrash
Moses and the prophets did it, who gave them gifts?

The Lord, Himself did it and His disciples too, who gave them plenty gifts?

Oyedepo and co are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are not of God!

Ubenedictus:
The verse you presented does not say that Mary is the mother of anyone but Jesus.

It only identified Mary as the mother of Jesus, the rest he calls the Adolphoi or relations of Jesus but not once did he call them sons of Mary.

In fact the bible tells us that they are kids of Mary's relative who married a man called Clopas.

See it now, you are Lying very openly

Did you not see see what the people said about Jesus and his mother and father.
Matthew 13:55-56 shows your church is lying in saying
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? (Joseph) is not his mother called Mary?
and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

See it. It is clearly and boldly written in red, yet you decided to Lie and said the verse did not say so, see how you wish not to.see the Truth? Clearly proving how much you love Lies!

Clearly proving that you are one of those
People swallow greedily any lie that flatters them, but sip only little by little at a truth they find bitter.' Dennis Diderot

Further, Simon and Judas are not in your Clopas lineage.

And furthermore, lineage is traced by the men Joseph and your Clopas and not by the women Mary and your Mary, clopas's wife.

So see, it now, your church lied to you and now here you are Lying to others.

Clearly, your church is a church of Satan, the father of Liars

CoolJason:
Research shows that cannabis and cannabinoids can help manage chronic pain, nausea, and some MS symptoms.

Same as fornication, drunkennes, snyper, hunan feaces all have their advantages.

As i said, you cannot deceive God

Ubenedictus:
Put your question 1, place next to it the response I gave and tell me how it didn't answer you question.

This was your answer when i said "off point"

Ubenedictus:
the prayer for forgiveness at the beginning of mass does not make a person a practicing Catholic

Which i answered
Off point! No one said it does.

Ubenedictus:
It is simple, if I give birth to a child today and I'm a Jew in 1st century Israel, will I go and dedicate the child as my first born or will I wait to have a second born before dedicating him?
The question is not hard to answer for someone who is honest.

And the question isn't about dedication, it is about understanding who a firstborn is according to Jewish scripture.

Yet you still talk about dedication

And even you, do not call your only child, first born.

FxMasterz:
Lol. But that's not the way it should be. We're still limited in knowledge and therefore cannot decide right and wrong for everyone. Do not judge or call people devils. Tomorrow, when more knowledge comes to you, you'll call them saints. Just as you can see better today regarding your actions yesterday. You'll still see better tomorrow regarding your actions of today.

It is babies who are limited in knowledge and cannot decide right and wrong.

Adults eg Adam, Cain, Pharoah, Moses, the isrealites and Amelekites, Buhari, Tinubu and even you knew right and wrong even though you would say thay all have limited knowledge.

So this holds no water.

FxMasterz:
Many years ago, I used to think that buying jets for men of God is evil as you are thinking today. But after my own personal experience with ministry, I saw why it was necessary for them. Without it, they wouldn't be able to accomplish much. Jesus said, "Go ye into the world and preach the gospel." He didn't tell us to wait for the people to come to us.

It seems you believe that these people are fake. Well, maybe I'm also fake to you as well. But you see, people who are into religion always see others as fake, and are always angry when others don't do what they thought they should have done. But people who have met Jesus don't reason like that. God loves sinners and wants them to come into Righteousness. God does not hate sinners. He only hates the sins they commit. Infact, God loves sinners. That's why Jesus had to die for everyone. He didn't die for the righteous. He died for sinners.

We are commanded to pity sinners. Not to be angry with them or call them mad.

Jude 1:23

"...and for others, save, snatching them out of the fire; and on others have mercy with fear, hating even the tunic polluted by the flesh."

Save them, hate only the garment of sin they wear but have mercy on those wearing those garments and save them from the fire.

And let me also add that these men of God do a lot of charity work which they don't announce. Charity worth several millions of dollars yearly from their personal pockets.

As i said The real preaching is by being a true example of Christ likeness which means, whether you preach or not your family neighbours and community are the ones who call you a Christian because they will never find you doing or participating in any evil thing.

And not by going up and down making noises

Christ has already being preached and over preached but among the preachers and all can we say that they are good examples of Christ? No! They are as the people they preach to.

And that is just the meaning of sin and wrongdoing and lip service. The very people Christ condemned in Mathew 15:8

FxMasterz:
Oyedepo doesn't earn any salary as a person. Most of what he has are gifts including the jets.

The bible said it, all must work. We all know gifts are not given unless he made bloated promises or he is a witch like simon.the sourcerer.

As great as Moses and the prophets were.did people give them gifts? No.

Or inspite of all The Lord, Jesus did and gave who gave Him many a plenty gifts?

These men are babalawos and todays Simon the sourcerer. They are not of God!

The bible already shows us what real men of God are like and what always happens to them.

Ubenedictus:
off point means you failed to understand the response you were given. Go back to the response I gave you and if there is something there you don't understand ask.
That's how civilised people have conversations, you don't just say "off point" because you don't understand

Your response was off the point which i pointed out.

A person cannot be asking about Tyres and you would be talking about engines. That is off point. We all know the difference between when a question and when a person is talking off point

And your answer talked about other things not asked for but did not address the very question, asked to wit
1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or during the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

Which remains unaswered,

Civilized people will either speak on tyres if they truly had the knowledge of it or stay silent. Talking about rims, shock absorbers and the car is not talking about tyres.

So, clearly you cannot answer these questions

Ubenedictus:
Does it not interest you that in the same paragraph where you said you didn't insult me, you likened me to a thief?
Your lack of self awareness of your own word is outstanding.

This is your guilt talking for all i did was to explain using an example.

Ubenedictus:
You are debating that the term first born in the bible is a legal term to mean whoever opens the womb, whether or not he has other siblings.

You already know this is what i contend and dedication is not in issue at all, which is why i have asked you to cite an example, where you see the bible call an only child, a first born.

And as you see, you have not seen any one single case as of course no one calls an only child "first born" for firsborn always means that child has other siblings.

So, you are wrong.

TimiRume:
I believe we can use the fruits of God's grace, whether private jets or other forms of blessings as long as the purpose for which they are given are actualised, which is the preaching of Christ himself.


The problem comes in when there are too many expenditures, activities and programs with very little impact. I don't know if we realise our responsibility as the church, though the power is not of ourself, but we have a burden on us to disciple our members into the full knowledge and stature of Christ and to preach the gospel continuously to the lost. A lot of us seem to have lost sight of this vision and so what we churn out to the world are half baked christians or at best theologians who have no experience of the power of Christ in them.

Some unbelievers and even believers may be genuinely frustrated with the way the church appears to be operating and the powerlessness of so called professors.

But's what's our attitude towards these accusations and hard criticisms? I think we should see the permissive hand of God in these criticisms of the church and accept his chastisement instead of being quick to defend ourselves.

I believe until we have come to agree with God that Christ needs to be preached and allowed to live in us, God would continue to let the world knock the church. The world is in dire need of Christ but most of the church are more concerned about playing church and teaching every other thing but Christ, hence obstructing him.

Wrong!

Christ has already being preached and over preached but among the preachers and all can we say that they are good examples of Christ? No! They are as the people they preach to.

And that is just the meaning of sin and wrongdoing and lip service. The very people Christ condemned in Mathew 15:8

The real preaching is by being a true example of Christ likeness which means, whether you preach or not your family neighbours and community are the ones who call you a Christian because they will never find you doing are participating in any evil thing

FxMasterz:
At the bolded, since you're the one who is God-sent, I can see that the whole world has come to you. Or perhaps they're with your God-sent pastor.

I don't even know why you're always militant in all your posts? Are you a soldier-lawyer?

. Don't you know a lawyer is a soldier? The Christian soldiers hymn is no joke for living is a war and every evil we see will be attacked and destroyed with furious anger.

Neither give place to the devil. Is The Law

CoolJason:
How about if it was recommended by an health care practitioner like a doctor for health reasons?

You know the Truth, God cannot be deceived. No doctor would recommend smoking

lawani:
Racism is when you think your DNA makes you superior
Religion is when you think your spirituality or spiritual beliefs makes you superior.

Note
What can make you superior is your character.

See madnesss of blameshifting.

Is it not people that are doing the 2?

What madness is it to blame the.gun for shooting rather than the shooter!

ItuExchange:
Speaking on the issue of pastors owing private jets; Olu Johnson said that it was of necessity for some pastors to own such, as it was not to showoff but rather to propagate the gospel of the kingdom.

“Sincerely, I do not blame pastors that have private jet in our time and season. Pastor Adeboye is busier than the president of Nigeria – the president of Nigeria oversees only this nation, I don’t know if we can know how many nations Pastor Adeboye is overseeing from Redemption Camp.

“The man is overseeing 197 nations: I have missed some of our very important meetings where I am the host for flight schedules; if I had the means, maybe I would have hired a flight and wouldn’t have missed those programmes. Some institutions and individuals in this nation have their private jets; if the work of a pastor has become enormous like the work of Pastor Adeboye or Oyedepo, I sincerely subscribe that if they can afford it or the church can afford it; it is necessary.” – Rev. Olu Johnson

A thief shalll not condemn a thief.

FxMasterz:
A lot of people talk very ignorantly, and sin without knowing it.

The works these General Overseers do are quite enormous. They have appointments, speaking engagements, meetings and other occasional urgencies in several nations each week. Sometimes, two appointments in two different nations in one day. They fly to Germany in the morning for a meeting and by evening are in the United Kingdom for a preaching engagement while also needing to rush back home same night to prepare for an important service on the morrow.

They're not getting jets for luxury but to enable them accomplish more, enjoy easier navigations around the world and prolong their lives in spite of their heavy schedules.

Ta!

Thieves on the pulpit.

Even you, wish to be like them.

It is definitely not God Who sent them for God knows the power of One.

So if indeed they were God sent, the whole world would come to them which is of course convenient and restfull rather than they fly gloriously all over the world, living abundantly whereas, their suppises sheep are hungry, sick, homeless and jobless.

Neither Christ nor the disciples did this but of course thieves carrying bibles would not like to see their plans condemned.

Michael547:
So because Deuteronomy does not contain that story makes what saul did to be good?

See it, see proof of your madness and peemanent stupidity. Did i say what Saul did was good? No! But your madness and stupidity made you open your mouth without thought . Clearly you are an empty head!

Michael547:
So the good people in those verses went to hell fire to be tormented?

See it, see how you prove you are mad? Everyone can see that no man has gone to hell fire yet, and that hell fire starts after Judgment Day, but not you.

Read, you won't read, yet you would open your mouth to ask very very stupid questions that if only you had read the bible you won't ask. But since you are mad and you like to disgrace yourself, you would keep on being foolish until you go to hellfire.

Michael547:
How does Christ being a lord mean that he told his disciples the church to pay tithe?
Please show me the verse where Jesus commanded the church or his disciples to pay tithe.

See, how you prove you are mad? If christians are followers of Christ and come from Christ and Christ, The Lord gave out Commandments, good normal reason would have told you that those Commandments ate for the followers of Christ, The Lord!

But as i said, since you are mad, it is understandable why you are full of foolishness and do not understand even simple everyday things.