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cupcup:
if heaven was Real, the white man would have kept it awat from the black just like they did with the mineral resources nd wealth...

africans: Now lets close our eyes lets Pray...
white: move all the idols, money resources in-fact kidnap their strong men to work for us

with all they did to our ancesstors.. how can they show us the way to heaven lol.. even if its real

Yet, they took your idols!
And they stole the idols of every nation they attack, doesn't that tell you that they were trying to harvest divine power?

Did you not see that God used and sent down another group of whites who brought Christianity and they were even abandoned here for bringing it and many even died here?

You already know that you are disqualified so why are you trying to spoil it for others, you be devil?

onumadu:
First bolded is a problem and that is why most of the world's problem today was/is caused by religion.
People wake up from their sleep and say that God told them to enforce so so and so law.
I watched a video where one Muslim cleric was taking about how they will inherit 72 virgins in heaven, and the whole thing was so sex-crazed.
He said that even if they fall accidentally they would fall on top of a woman!
And I'm like, so the world killings in the name of God is just about pucci, or to inherit virgins?
See the problem?

Anyway, second bolded supports the same "holiness is about sex alone" premise.
Why can't the corollary of holiness be about LOVE (selfless love -AGAGE) than about sex?
See what you did there: "holy and chaste"
Why must you connect/limit holiness to sex alone?

I cited Jesus's life and views on these these, but you are still limited to sex.

I understand why you say this, but do you not see that the bold is a brainwashing statement sold by atheists?

For since Adam people have always done the evil and csused all the problems in the world. Is it not a friend who scammed you? Or is it not a brother who eats the monies you sent for him to build you a house?

Religion is nothing it is people who do things whether good or evil; thus it is people who are the problem of the world who after they have done the evil, they start defending it with everything they can use to cover it.

And the bottomline is that they nevet do what God Commanded, in all subjects of life whether sex or relations with fellowmen or work all of which God commanded us to be holy.

So, i do not restrict it to sex alone but becausr the topic was sex, it then became needfull to restate that The Law is we must be chaste and holy.

onumadu:
BTW,the law was mostly Moses laws. I don't want to go detail because it would take up too much space.
That is why Jesus had to cut it down to two only.

Correction! It is not Moses's laws, it is The Laws which God gave Moses to give the world

Don't let your desire overide your knowledge of Truth for you know Jesus did not cut down The Law, He only pointed out the building blocks of The Law starting with its foundation, then the ground laid on top of the foundation. And common sense tells you the rest of The Laws are the floors and rooms in that building called Law!

onumadu:
Have you ever wondered why there is more wickedness and killings in a religious Nigeria than say a non/less religious northern Europe?
Anytime I travel between Nigeria and such countries I feel like someone traveling from hell to heaven.
Why can't Nigeria be heaven-like?
I know the answer: Because Nigerians are busy worshiping genital organs in the name of holiness!

Simple: do you not see how atheists always try to look gooder than regular folks? So also do the atheistic countries for they know that they that they are very evil, so they would destroy themselves, as you saw, they have fought more wars and wrought more evils than any other continent.

So this is them trying not to show they are even more evil than regular people, which is why you see they live alone. So don't be deceived by their organization and order, they are just created to cover the deep evil they have and to deceove the world with the "appearance" of good!

onumadu:
Why should people continue to drag God down to the vane and fleeting nature?
Sex is a VANE and FLEETING thing that the MOST HIGH strictly views as part of the mortal man's thing.
I personally believe that marriage is a purely human construct. Man designed and enforce it (and there are many types of it in different parts of the world - all of them accepted by God).

When God deals with humans, he does so using values that humans imposed upon themselves.
That is why it was possible for God to speak to and direct the kings of Israel of old as well as the kings of Persia and Babylon.
HE OWNS ALL OF THEM, and directs all of them!

God had to incarnate through a virgin because man worships sex and virginity. But do you know that Jews still don't believe in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ? MAN IS SEX-CRAZED AND OBSESSED WITH THE VAGI-NA. And that annoys elevated souls like myself.
Until man TRANSCENDS that vanity called sex or "focus-on-sex", man will remain like other lower animals.

Have you watched a group of monkeys mating in the wild. Go and watch it, and see that while one male is mating, the other males are busy trying to pull it down (out of the ape-like jealousy you find in humans).

God had to incarnate as Jesus Christ to try to show man that the laws are made for man and not man for the laws.
That is partly why he forgave sins, but the scribes and pharisees wondered how he could forgive sins.
Also part of why he saved the woman caught in adultery (because he knew that all the people there gathered to stone the woman committed far greater sins than her). He was almost stoned by supposed zealots when he challenged them to go and find out the meaning of "I desire mercy and not sacrifice"
And so many other things he did, and when he was done he told his disciples that greater things could they do if only they believed.
But guess what, man is still worshiping useless woman orifice and setting bondage for themselves that tie them to this realm rather than allow them to transcend this earthly realm.

Look, I can write a book on this (and will try to find the time to write that book).

The bold is what sums up what i am saying, in that a good Law is one which has a human face and feel as lawyers say.

And for it to be human, The LawMaker must be human.

And this is where Don Moen's song settles this which is

He walked where I walked (He walked where I walked)
He stood where I stand (He stood where I stand)
He felt what I feel (He felt what I feel)
He understands (He understands)

He knows my frailty (He knows my frailty)
Shared my humanity (Shared my humanity)]
Tempted in every way (Tempted in every way)
Yet without sin (Yet without sin)

God with us!
So close to us
God with us!
Emmanuel

See the word "shared my humanity"!

onumadu:
Firstly I don't think you have read or meditated in the details of the biblical accounts of what ( I didn't say "who" ) God is.
Firstly God is NOT man. He even called his name "I AM THAT I AM"

No where did i say "God is man" rather it is man who is like God.

onumadu:
Why should people continue to drag God down to the vane and fleeting nature?
Sex is a VANE and FLEETING thing that the MOST HIGH strictly views as part of the mortal man's thing.
I personally believe that marriage is a purely human construct. Man designed and enforce it (and there are many types of it in different parts of the world - all of them accepted by God).

When God deals with humans, he does so using values that humans imposed upon themselves.
That is why it was possible for God to speak to and direct the kings of Israel of old as well as the kings of Persia and Babylon.
HE OWNS ALL OF THEM, and directs all of them!

God had to incarnate through a virgin because man worships sex and virginity. But do you know that Jews still don't believe in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ? MAN IS SEX-CRAZED AND OBSESSED WITH THE VAGI-NA. And that annoys elevated souls like myself.
Until man TRANSCENDS that vanity called sex or "focus-on-sex", man will remain like other lower animals.

Have you watched a group of monkeys mating in the wild. Go and watch it, and see that while one male is mating, the other males are busy trying to pull it down (out of the ape-like jealousy you find in humans).

God had to incarnate as Jesus Christ to try to show man that the laws are made for man and not man for the laws.
That is partly why he forgave sins, but the scribes and pharisees wondered how he could forgive sins.
Also part of why he saved the woman caught in adultery (because he knew that all the people there gathered to stone the woman committed far greater sins than her). He was almost stoned by supposed zealots when he challenged them to go and find out the meaning of "I desire mercy and not sacrifice"
And so many other things he did, and when he was done he told his disciples that greater things could they do if only they believed.
But guess what, man is still worshiping useless woman orifice and setting bondage for themselves that tie them to this realm rather than allow them to transcend this earthly realm.

Look, I can write a book on this (and will try to find the time to write that book).

The bold is what sums up what i am saying, in that a good Law is one which has a human face and feel as lawyers say.

And for it to be human, The LawMaker must be human.

And this is where Don Moen's song settles this which is

He walked where I walked (He walked where I walked)
He stood where I stand (He stood where I stand)
He felt what I feel (He felt what I feel)
He understands (He understands)

He knows my frailty (He knows my frailty)
Shared my humanity (Shared my humanity)]
Tempted in every way (Tempted in every way)
Yet without sin (Yet without sin)

God with us!
So close to us
God with us!
Emmanuel

See the word "shared my humanity"!

onumadu:
Firstly I don't think you have read or meditated in the details of the biblical accounts of what ( I didn't say "who" ) God is.
Firstly God is NOT man. He even called his name "I AM THAT I AM

My point (and the often thing that annoys me about people humanizing God) is that man should stop trying to mold God in human natural ways and methods. In the same Bible God himself said that his ways are NOT our ways.[

Why should people continue to drag God down to the vane and fleeting nature?
Sex is a VANE and FLEETING thing that the MOST HIGH strictly views as part of the mortal man's thing.
I personally believe that marriage is a purely human construct. Man designed and enforce it (and there are many types of it in different parts of the world - all of them accepted by God).

When God deals with humans, he does so using values that humans imposed upon themselves.
That is why it was possible for God to speak to and direct the kings of Israel of old as well as the kings of Persia and Babylon.
HE OWNS ALL OF THEM, and directs all of them!

God had to incarnate through a virgin because man worships sex and virginity. But do you know that Jews still don't believe in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ? MAN IS SEX-CRAZED AND OBSESSED WITH THE VAGI-NA. And that annoys elevated souls like myself.
Until man TRANSCENDS that vanity called sex or "focus-on-sex", man will remain like other lower animals.

Have you watched a group of monkeys mating in the wild. Go and watch it, and see that while one male is mating, the other males are busy trying to pull it down (out of the ape-like jealousy you find in humans).

God had to incarnate as Jesus Christ to try to show man that the laws are made for man and not man for the laws.
That is partly why he forgave sins, but the scribes and pharisees wondered how he could forgive sins.
Also part of why he saved the woman caught in adultery (because he knew that all the people there gathered to stone the woman committed far greater sins than her). He was almost stoned by supposed zealots when he challenged them to go and find out the meaning of "I desire mercy and not sacrifice"
And so many other things he did, and when he was done he told his disciples that greater things could they do if only they believed.
But guess what, man is still worshiping useless woman orifice and setting bondage for themselves that tie them to this realm rather than allow them to transcend this earthly realm.

Look, I can write a book on this (and will try to find the time to write that book).

Since our argument is going like this i think it appropriate that it is given a thread of its own and discussed here.

No where did i say "God is man" rather it is man who is like God.

We must humanize Him to understand Him and most especially to understand His Commands to us which He expects to obey very well.

So how can we obey them well if we do not first appreciate that He is connected to us and feeling what we feel about the subject? Eg our feelings on joy and sorrow; good things and evil things, love and hatred are the same with His in normal humans.

Seeing He responds like us and to us, we therefore are able to.have a sweet relationship with Him.

Think about it should alien come, do you not first look for things that you human can relate with eg head, eyes, hands, talk and language etc?

If a Chinese just suddenly appears in your ship at sea to start issuing commands, would you move to obey? No.

Why? Because there are many things you need to process which includes that he knows what he is saying on the subject which affects you and your crew.

And God's Ways/thoughts "towards us" are still humanly eg God's Way is give, man's way says to don't give

God's Way says be holy and chaste, man's way says fuqc around

DoWhatThouWilt:
Can you blame them?

Alot of evil is commited in religion most especially christianity. Evil as serious as child abuse.
Can you imagine a church having records of child abuse cases they delibrately choosed to hide from the police?

Was man not already very evil and commiting every atrocity.and wickednesd even before Christianity came?

When Ur and sodom and gomo and the yoruba wars/uthman dan fodio wars were people not already wicked, commiting child abuses? And was christianity there?

Tsarbomba:
Is atheism a product of human reason and intellectual inquiry? Or is it a form of intellectual laziness that refuse to engage with the complexities and mysteries of existence?

Noi

Just a refusal to accept that they are creations like toys and so they are always under the weather and power of their Creator, Whom is called God, all ovet this house called world, and must always be in His Hand!

DoWhatThouWilt:
So if Jesus was burnt alive in a fiery furnace, or thrown into a vat of acid, you will put pictures of fiery furnace or vat of acid all over your house to remind you of the pain he felt and why you should follow him?

Sorry but that's a messed up way of thinking or remembering.

Like the cancer ribbon you can be sure an artist can come up.with a way of making this look nice and acceptable.

nans24:
Now my question is, Is it right for Christians and believers in Christ to make use of this symbol like most people do?

Let us for a moment imagine that Christ was killed on this:

Will it not be odd and fetish if people made use of the above image in churches, magazines, bibles , shirt, stickers and jewelleries?

Good question.

But the difference is the items used by fetish people is for rituals and worship purposes whereas the cross is just a reminder.just like the camcer ribbon.

PureFace1:
If you need me to tell you then you must not be taking your religion seriously.

It is all in Revelation, everything about heaven written in the Bible is all about thousands of angels praising and worshipping one narcissistic entity forever and apparently you will all join the angels in bowing and worshipping for ever if he deem you worthy lol you will exist to serve him only forever.

Thank God you said 'angels' who are in heaven and not men going to heaven .

Even here, on thiis earth that is going away, we are used to worshipping God and bowing to him, so it is fun all the way.

PureFace1:
People praise being a slave that serve one entity that no body know how he came to be as eternal blisss lol I did rather be dead forever, that's more peaceful.

Exactly as where our parents came from did not change and affect the good they did to us, so also we do not care where God comes from becsuse it does not affect the goodness He bestows.

achorladey:
Bring the twisting and lies here. I am waiting.

Now show me where this written in the title of this thread. I want to see my lies and twisting her

Are they not already here in the thread? No need. God will Judge.

achorladey:
You have to add [b]about God and His Judgment on.gambling

Gambling is what your thread is all about. [b]Bible is not God

Come back since you will not rest until judgement

Is it now that you lied and still lying and denying it was not about God?

Wheres, you knew the thread started from this thread https://www.nairaland.com/8175270/what-does-bible-say-gambling#131608322

Just Rest God will Judge us!

PureFace1:
no you are the one not reading properly.

It was stated in the Bible that that's how Heaven is going to be

Where in the bible?

Come to.think of it, see God's Mind on taking/giving interest for giving out money (loans or gift called usury, which He prohibited, is it now money you put up or down to take (steal) someone else's money?

Leviticus 25:36
Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God;

Vs 37
Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.

Funny, this is also Law prohibiting stinginess and wickedness.

Verse 35.
And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.

achorladey:
The topic is ABOUT GAMBLING GAMBLING GAMBLING GAMBLING.

Is different from the topic is ABOUT GOD GOD GOD.

Well I don't understand English

So.among all the other things like insalts and twisting of my words, you Lie too?.

The.thread https://www.nairaland.com/8175270/what-does-bible-say-gambling#131608322
proves you are Lying for it is about God and His Judgment on.gambling which is why you have been crying "the bible did not specifically say.."

And now, here you are lying that we are not talking about God!

achorladey:
Look at the topic you created stop deflecting. Haba!

Which you knew i created because you started arguing from this thread https://www.nairaland.com/8175270/what-does-bible-say-gambling#131608322

GreyWolf01:
OP is an example of something a man should have sprayed on boobs, butt's, stomach or even jerked off, but no!

In the heat of 2 minutes excitement, he creates a....mistake ....

You can say it again

Geovanni412:
Prove me wrong but most of the people speaking in tongues are talking gibberish

Next time you go to church, record what the man speaking in tongues is saying and ask him to pronounce it or spell it

THEY CAN'T

And if you listen closely, and do a Google search or AI search based on what they're saying, you'll get no results like the pictures below.

They are all liars

achorladey:
The topic is about Gambling is a sin(stealing) haba

Which came from the thread
https://www.nairaland.com/8175270/what-does-bible-say-gambling#131608322

Clearly, you do not have anything new hence your repetitions so, till.Judgment Day.

PureFace1:
Is this how Heaven going to be like for eternity ? what's the point ?

Can you just imagine singing and dancing and praising someone for eternity ? is that not another hell?

Read again!

It is the upgraded version of this heaven and earth we know.

achorladey:
Show me where it was as prohibited simple.

I want to under English today.

You will not rest until I swallow your meat.

You found my reference showing you that gambling was allowed in 2005, didn't you?
Then go find out what happened in 2004 backwards before the king created the office of gambling called lottery commision.

achorladey:
Just to cover up why you need to respond

Told you, i want to see the new direction you would run to and clearly you took my bait on the fact that gambling was prohibited even here in Nigeria until 2005 when your king opened it. in proof that God banned it and everyone in the past, knew

achorladey:
Bringing God changes or not into the discussion. Who ask you this.

The topic is about God and you admitted and confessed
"Yes punished them based on the fact that they established that what they did is illegal based on current situation and circumstances."

So, your fall!

achorladey:
Show me the specifics in your Bible where Gambling laws are stated. I don't know. I want to see it. Don't come back and tell me I am repeating my points [/b]again.

Good, you know you are repeating.

achorladey:
Who prohibit it and who opened it?

Now you ptetend not to know your kings again!

achorladey:
I laugh at this. You cannot even reference the material fully. What is there to hide huh?

Gambling in Nigeria is regulated by the National Lottery Regulatory Commission. The National Lottery was legalised in Nigeria in 2005, under the National Lottery Act 2005.5

The law distinguishes between games of skill (which are legal) and games of chance (which are illegal). [b]Legal forms of gambling include the lottery, land-based casinos and sports betting, whereas roulette, dice games and non-skilled card games are considered illegal. There is no specific provision in the law to regulate online gambling. The minimum legal age to be able to gamble in Nigeria is 18 years.

Yet you found it didnt you? So refernce acconplished. D

And you can see your kings allowed gambling to be doable without them punishing you aftet 2005. D

Thereby proving that in Nigeria gambling was prohibited until your kings opened it

But, has God and His Laws Changed? No!
D .

And now you are going to His Court and not to Federal High Court, Ikoyi.

achorladey:
You cannot rest can you?

StillDtruth will you rest?

I have rested already. Just interested in seeing which new direction you would like to run to.

correctguy101:
SMH

And you think you "stake nothing" in the examples I gave? And there's no "consciousness of risk and hope to gain" something? D

Is that not in respect to the wide and natural view of gambling?

The thread is about the narrow view of gambling and if you cannot address this, we understand

achorladey:
Yes punished them based on the fact that they established that what they did is illegal based on current situation and circumstances.

Nowhere is yahoo yahoo = gambling that's why you don't see a gambler arrested for gambling. It is only when they trespass into stealing they are held because they know they are no longer gambling.

Did you not hear that God never changes?

Bet you did not know that gambling was an offence like homosexuality and prostitution and armed robbery.and many were arrested before thieves became kings and spoilt God's Law.

Even here in Nigeria gambling was prohibited until your kings opened it

Gambling laws in Nigeria
The law distinguishes between games of skill (which are legal) and games of chance (which are illegal)

correctguy101:
Marriage, business, life even ordinary crossing road, as long as there are options and a chance things could either work out or go south, baba na gambling be that.

It's just people choosing the form of gambling to indulge.... Like we choose our poisons.

Some people chose cigarettes, codeine and weed or something harder... Mine is alcohol, the poison does nothing for us but we insist on indulging

I digress... A choice to be made and a chance things might not go as planned, that's my own definition of gambling, to hell with dickk-tionary definitions...

This is where we are talking about the effect that the first man and woman had sinned and brought man nto curses of deaths instead of blessings and calamity instead of prosperity,

And God did not Curse everything, so man still gets some good out of the bad, hence uncertainty and chance is created.

But this thread zooms in on the narrow meaning of gamble with respect to money and its liability to prosecution and guilt at Law.and God.

People also ask
What is the full meaning of gambling?
gambling, the betting or staking of something of value, with consciousness of risk and hope of gain,

onumadu:
Funny topic.
Atheists say that man created God in his own image, and they have a point because people keep trying to humanize God.
You MAN worship and idolize sex, and now want God to do the same.
How can the same God that created sex in all of it's details (including the orgasm you are in awe of) suddenly turn around to brand it the worst sin?
Isn't it better and easier for God to have simply destroyed his whole creation to prevent sex?

I keep saying it that some king in the past after having sex determined that sex is too sweet and too powerful and therefore needs strong regulation. And that is how "God" started to view sex as sin.

The only true God is one that exists waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy above human obsessions with sex.

Did you not hear that we are made to be like God?

So, definitely, we can use humaness to understand God especially as He has even related with us based on our humanity, so, you did not speak well.

Secondly,
Taking is allowed but stealing is not.

If you can differentiate these 2 then you ought to appreciate that God created sex to be enjoyed under certain conditions exactly how He created all the goods in the world we enjoyed.

But, having that liberty, does it mean we can take anything we wanted simply because it was available and can be taken? No.

That is the same thing God did with sex which is why.the proper marriage approved by God is one where both partners are virgins and wedded by their parents; and having fulfillled all these, the married couple can fucq unlimited.

Even here, there is still Law binding them to fuqc only themselves.

So you see God has given us many good things but they are all under Terms and Conditions called Law!

achorladey:
Yes, they are not specific laws regarding yahoo yahoo and ponzi scheme....

Yet, you sin filled men see the righteosness of punishing the sinners even without their specific law, how much more The Holy One Who Hath Seeth all iniquity.

You thieves stealing and trying to steal other people's monies with tricks and deceits are in hot hot trouble on Judgment Day, like yahoo yahoo people.

achorladey:
You will see it just like you said there are no laws regarding gambling. You asked....

You can't even articulate your point here

I just hope you are not a lawyer. You are tarnishing the image of the profession here.

The thread already shows what you and i said, so why repeat yourself? Clearly because you got nothing to say, so now its insult time

achorladey:
. The simple question here is, who convicted those gambling with their own hard earned money a THIEF? In which court of law were they convicted as thief and what specific law was used?

Off Point.

achorladey:
Oga go check what rebutting means.

StillDtruth when you gamble with your hard earned money and you eventually win. You are not [b]stealing other people's mon

Now its pretence you don't know what rebuttal is but here you are desperately trying to answer and cover up your fall, by trying to elongate the argument. No Road!

jaephoenix:
Did you read the second definition of unconscious, or is your stupidity branded?

Branded Stupiity!

Aemmyjah:
When you see how you have fooled yourself
You either use your own terms or something else to save face


If I give your child poison to induce something in him by intervention , you'll think it's unconscious?

I wish you have More wisdom or your age but you can ask on play store

The foolishness of atheists can never allow wisdom to enter them. Wisdom will not even enter them for they are tooo filthy and evil.

FxMasterz:
At the bolded, your filthy self thinks I do it too? No I don't, you're the only one who does that I know by your own personal confession. I don't think you have a remedy filthy atheist, since it's a family thing. Even if you say you're no more doing, your mom and your sisters won't agree. What a family?

Shows how full the amount of dirt and depths of evil atheists have done and live in.