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Michael547:
Do you think faithful Samuel will communicate to Samuel through the medium of a witch?

Do you mean Samuel communicate to samuel or samuel communicate to saul?

Michael547:
Ok kindly explain Genesis 2:7......what is the soul according to the verse, and where was soul put inside man as the 2nd half of man?

This is the second half of man, the flesh man and the completion and fussion of flesh and spirit man.

The soul side of man is found in Genesis1:26/27 which you see is the one which looks like God, which of course the bible did not tell us how he was created.

Whereas, Genesis 2 tells us of the earth man which we call human for i am certain that you do not know that human means "humous maan"

Michael547:
Please can quote the verse where the word 'soul' was mentioned those instances you quoted up there?

After the first death, where do all souls go to?

Kindly explain Ezekiel 18:4 in the screenshot below.

Samuel had already died. for long, which clearly means that his body was rotten and gone, yet a witch woke him up, from his sleep which we call death

So did the witch wake up his human body, which you know which was buried.and rotten in the grave?

If you read the story, did saul and the witch go to Sanuel's grave to wake him up? No.

So, what then did she wake up.to the point that Samuel complained "why did she disturb his sleep? Now, you see the answer.

Ezekiel 18:4 is the 2nd death which is now explained by Revelations by God having such a soul been thrown into the lake of fire.

Michael547:
Is the spirit and soul the same?

Yes!

Generally, we use soul and spirit interchangeably because, the soul is spiritlike.

But this soul/spirit of man is not the Spirit of God aka breath of God which keeps us alive on earth, which we get so as to live on earth as shown in Genesis 6:3/John 1:4 and others.

So here, we are talking about the 2nd half of man which is called soul/spirit since the first half of man which is called human and flesh has died as God Said.

Janosky:
Oga, where did Adam your ancestor receive eternal punishment?

What is the precedent that God set to punish evildoers?

Did you not read that even righreous Abel and the prophets and the disciples have not receieved their revenge?

That is why the bible said The Day of The Lord will be a great and terrible day for He shall avenge Himself and shall give vengeance!

Michael547:
Can you kindly point out a verse that says that Adam and eve's soul kept on living after they died and turned back to dust?
Are you saying that Ezekiel 18:4 lied when it says that the soul dies?

Samuel's soul, jarius daughter, Lazarus's soul, Paul, all prove to you that the first death we have is the first death on earth,.which God calls "sleeping."

And Revelation shows that the casting into hell, is the second death.

1Sharon:
Roasted with love x

All these people in this thread have shown you that it is very good and loving to see devils punished.

https://www.nairaland.com/8191775/3-men-caught-trying-kidnap#131624078

Michael547:
Lol....you neither know the location nor what burns in hell and you claim what you are teaching is from the scriptures?

Did the scrpture tell us the location? You can fill that up if you like and go and bomb it.

See how you pretend to not know that we are spirit, hence why i ask which part pains you when your wife or girlfriend cheats, which you dodged.

MaxInDHouse:
It's humans that came up with the idea because they don't see justice in death as due punishment for rebellion but from God's point of view death sends the rebellious being to a place {Genesis 2:17} where he or she can't feel or do anything {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} so at death the sinner has paid fully for his or her wrongdoing! Romans 6:7

Revelations shows us that no evil doer has paid for his evils by dying. The payment begins when God gives him his reward.by sending him to hell fire, to get the evils and tornents he once gave to others, in fullfillment of Law.

Michael547:
Where is the location of hell fire and what exactly burns there?

Told you before, its not relevant nor do i care abi you are planning on bombing it?

MaxInDHouse:
That phrase "torment of the dead" can't be found anywhere in the Old Testament what God said regarding unbelievers is death!

Ezekiel 18:4; 31

But the old testament also said "Vengeance is mine; I will repay," And evil people have tormened others, so they must be tormented. That is The Law.

MaxInDHouse:
YES they warned of DESTRUCTION or EXTERMINATION not a place of torment of the dead!

And great Wrath and vengeance and recompense.

And evil people have tormened others, so they must be tormented. That is The Law.

MaxInDHouse:
God's servants (Prophets) never taught the consciousness after death it was gotten from Babylonian and Greek mythology that is why you can't find any fitting scriptures to back it in the Old Testament.
All quotations to support torment after death is taken from the New Testament where Jesus used illustrations in his teachings!

God's prophets all warned of God's great Wrath and vengeance which since exodus we were fore warned is to come.

achorladey:
For the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child.

My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the Lord. “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine. For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.

Are we saying, then, that God was unfair? Of course not! For God said to Moses, “I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose.” So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it.

You can ruminate on those scripture as it concerns love and punishment regarding those God loves.

Sorry, you still have that jw sickness of perverting the bible for do you say that the Amelekites and co are his children since He punished them?

Secondly, God has expressed His thoughts and His ways one of which is to reward people according to their deeds.

And thirdly, in that passage to Moses, did God answer Moses's prayer for mercy for those evil people? No! He did not.

Michael547:
An act of love to those in hell fire or to who?

Which part pains you when you find that your wife cheats? That is your answer

Michael547:
An act of love to those in hell fire or to who?

Already answered that it is love and just is to the many many people they destroyed, wounded or wounded and destroyed.

MaxInDHouse:
It simply means the valley of the son of Hinnon during the time of Jeremiah some Jews used to burn their children as sacrifices to Molek the true God condemned the act and said such has not come into His heart {Jeremiah 7:31} that's why we don't believe the true can do such a thing because he said it has not come into His heart! Jeremiah 19:5

See it. Google already shows that it also means
Spiritually it is known as the abode of the damned in the afterlife in Jewish and Christian beliefs.

MaxInDHouse:
Is it what they mean or what is WRITTEN in the scriptures originally in Greek?

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The word “Gehenna” is the Aramaic word for lake of fire. It is also called “gehinnom” used in the Hebrew language. Spiritually it is known as the abode of the damned in the afterlife in Jewish and Christian beliefs.

CoolJason:
...But merciful too, don't you think so?

A mercy only given those who earn it and that is what just is also means.

MaxInDHouse:
Hell simply means Grave so all dead people goes there whether they are good or evil! Ecclesiastes 9:10

You know when people say hell they mean hellfire and lake of fire

terrezo2002:
...If a dying criminal realises he has lived all his life for the devil and at the point of death accept Jesus Christ into his life, he will not go to hell. Can't you see how loving God is. That He made it so easy to enter heaven. All you need is accept the free gift which is Jesus Christ.

This is not entirely true. There are many things in that story which made the thief qualify for eternal life. Eg, his last act was a public act of kindness and goodness given to Christ Himself.

So, now Christ has gone back up and now every body after that must have walked through The Way, to make ir.

TimiRume:
Have you forgotten he is also righteous? Should God be loving and not righteous? The Cross perfectly unites his love and righteousness.

Righteousness means just is.

And just is means punishment of people who thought they had escaped after harming and doing evil and great wickednesses to others

solacong:
sending people to hellfire is also an act of Love

Yeah!

Just is to those they destroyed, wounded or wounded and destdoyed.

Satan is working!

onumadu:
Okay, let me answer you probably for the last time.

I never changed or mixed up the topic from sex to divorce: I only used one example (where Jesus gave a different command from the one Moses gave) to make a point.
I was only trying to prove that Jesus (as God incarnate) did this to prove a point. And that point is that laws are made for man and not man for laws.

My point remains that most of you are focused (or obsessive) on sex while normalizing unimaginable levels of evil in your society.
That is why I cited Europe. In Europe women can walk the streets near naked and people would be going about their normal businesses, while in Nigeria men would go crazy with anger, and sometimes even try to harm the women. They even kill some.

But guess where there is PRACTICAL demonstration of Jesus' level love, care and compassion? It ain't in Nigeria! Figure that.

Guess where even your religious leaders go for vacation and medical treatment? Yep, same "sex-crazed" Europe.

Guess where all the children of your leaders both political and religious ones go to school? Europe with their sex life!

I surmise that Nigerians use their "chastity" as cover for their wickedness and evil proclivities.

They're just like the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' days!

I would leave it here because it appears as if I'm not being understood.
Abeg no vex.
Peace.

I understand and what you say here is right cept for the fact that there are always good people in every nation even if in Nigeria they are rarely noticed. But as some have confessed they have received great goodness from many people here in nigeria.

Secondly, christianity focuses on all topics and has something to say on them and unfortunately sex is the biggest topic and a very devastating evil that not just destroys a person but also destroys and tears the family, the community and the world, as we have now seen.

Finally, the choice to be good or evil is a personal one and not based on Nigerianess or Europeaness. And a person is either rightdoing or he is not as Noah was the only righteous man in his day even where the rest were evil and righteousness was still righteousness even though sin abounded.

This is just a Loser's Lamentation.

If atheism has solved this problem then you should be laughing

MrBrownJay1:
complicit how?! any religious policy is to make you suffer and to solely enrich baba pastor. the yeye Nigerian gov is learning from religion... RELIGION HAS BEEN MAKING POOR PEOPLE SUFFER SINCE THE BEGINING OF TIME!

Beginning of time ke?

Is it not sometime after 201 that many of you started becoming atheists after all the the earlier centuries and years of prosperity and answered prayers?

You have become full of rubbish o

Everyday247:
StillDtruth, no vex. I almost thought that the thread's topic was "Is Womanising God wrong?".
Luckily, i checked again and cleared my doubts.

onumadu:
Dem neva born atheist wey go fit brainwash me. lol
I am not the type that anyone can brainwash because I READ A LOT.
Most of what I say comes from a body of researched knowledge, as well as life experience.
Let's get that out of the way first...

I agree that people created religion and used (still use) it to commit a lot of evil.
Religion is a human construct. Settled. Humans are evil. Even God regretted creating man in Gen 6:5-6.

Ok

onumadu:
As for the laws which I said is "mostly Mosaic laws" I stand on that based on what Jesus said about divorce.

Bible said "But Jesus told them, “Moses wrote this commandment for you because of your hardness of heart." (Mark 10:5)

Thank God you observed Moses wrote the commandments.

Now did you not see that Moses was like God's secretary and that God dictated The Laws for him to write down? Exodus 34:27

So, The Law is God's Law and not Moses's.

onumadu:
God of course inspired Moses to give those laws, but if the people weren't wicked and hardhearted, God could have given them a different law.
And that is exactly what Jesus did when he rejected free will divorce and limited it to adultery based divorce as well as refused to condemn the woman caught in adultery. After her would-be stoners (those wanting to stone her) had dispersed, Jesus asked her where are your accusers? She looked around and said they were no more, and Jesus told her neither would he Jesus condemn her. But told her to go and sin no more. Was Jesus a sinner for doing this? Remember that "I desire mercy and not sacrifice" saying?

The topic is sex not divorce!

Suffice me to state that you have it mixed up.
Looking at God's mind, in marriage is there divotce? No

But is it not known that wickedness would increase if the disputing couples are not separated? Yes, it is. So just is must be given. Thus nothing like divorce not to talk of freewill divorce.

And nature shows you that adultery breaks causes a divorce, so even if Christ did not say so, it was known.

And did you not read that Christ did not come to.sit as a Judge? John 12:47

So, Christ was not here to inforce The Law, He was just here on a visit and to teach like a visiting Professor, so, judgment of an accused was not His mission.

onumadu:
As for the European countries I referenced earlier I am not totally exonerating them, afterall they are part of the same evil human family, BUT they have been able to put into practice most of the teachings of Jesus Christ even without being churchgoers.
They care for the sick and poor. Check!
Their prisons are penitentiaries (where people are taken to go and change their lives for the better), while Nigerian prison are death holes where people go to die. Check!
Most of them have abolished the death penalty, but mere mention of such in Nigeria evokes serious anger among Nigerians. Check!

In fact I use the state of Nigerian prisons to prove the point about how far more wicked/evil our people are in-spite of their "holiness and chastity".
I doubt that the Europeans are interested in deceiving anybody by putting into practice FOR THEMSELVES virtues inspired by Jesus Christ.
They are just living their lives using the template Jesus left behind, and the onus in on you African to bring about heaven instead of working overtime to foist hell on earth all while avoiding sex.

True! Those who are impressive are really realy impressive

onumadu:
Do you think that if it was Nigerians or Africans that colonized other countries that those colonized countries would ever be independent? EVER?
Think about that honestly.
I rest it here.

Ah! Naija, the kings would have the countries named after them.

MrBrownJay1:
they needed something to enslave/rape/defraud these gullible sheep, thus why they told them to obey their white religious masters on earth for a reward of "heaven" after death.

So even after you have seen the Xerxian, Barbarian, celtic and even Biafran wars where they did everything you said you still speak like one whose brain is rottening? Ismh

cupcup:
i am close to 50 years and yet... the fear i got when i was age 5 still linger in my head even at age 40 imaginary messiah..

Remove the fear na after all its you who owns your life