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There are a few things we should note here. "THE" leadership in the Church is not exclusively granted to men, as some have inferred. To assume that it is such would simply mean that women have no leadership roles to play in Church. Men and women together have leadership roles in the Body of Christ.

The second thing is that women in leadership are not to usurp authority over the men. However, there should be a balance rather than a polarization towards just the men.

I believe that women are also gifted with some of the charisma that are given to the men. One such gift is prophesying ("your sons and your daughters shall prophesy" - Acts 2:17). A few others could be delineated. But the question is: what leadership roles are women called to take in Church Life as could be read in Scripture?

That verse (I Cor. 11:11) was offered to remind us that the life of the Church is not a question of male-only phenomenon - it includes and involves the indispensable role of women as well.

I observe that not many people have taken the time to examine the very important roles of women in Church life. Rather, for the most part the gists have been about the world of men, so much so as if to make it sound like women are asked to keep out, stay out, and shut up; or otherwise walk on tip-toe if you must be in Church!

Okay, maybe that's not exactly how it should sound. But then, I'm concerned that when people make the assumption that NT ministry is exclusively a male-only exercise, they might be missing out on what the Bible teaches about the leadership of women in Church.

"Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord."

Good post. https://bestsmileys.com/clapping/2.gif

You can be sure of this: Muslim scholars make a recommendation based on the hadith that a jihadist who dies in battle for Allah's cause gains express visa to jannah (paradise). In other words, he is guaranteed the coveted exemption of being taken to hell by an irrevocable decree from Allah according to Sura 19:71.

Of course, not all Muslims believe the above. But for the most part, the predominant denomination in Islam believe it is the default interpretation: blow yourself up, gain the coveted reward (72 virgins).

@goodguy,

You said it better than I would have.

I don talk am before. No be naija e happen? Notin go happen to rev. King.

The one good thing about this thread is that Muslims have come to understand their own religion the way they never did before!

Bottomline: they don't face the "East"; rather, they face the Qiblah, abi?

The Angel of the LORD in the OT was the pre-incarnate Christ.

On the hair issue again.

Guys: what trips you about a woman's hair?

Babes: what trips you in a guy's hairdo?

One the one hand, I would pray for the poor fellows who make themselves tools in the hands of the unseen enemy:

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,
do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully
use you, and persecute you" (Matt. 5:44)


On the other hand, I'm at war with the real enemy:

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
against spiritual wickedness in high places." (Eph. 6:15)

Of course, e no easy to practise this principle. But if a man make himself the real enemy and won't let go, then he would need some real schooling up.

1 Cor. 4:2
Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.

Kai @TV01,

How is it that when some of una want to argue issues, you simply can't read and make sense of what others have said? I'm one of those waiting expectantly for bari_kade's interesting highlights; but are you guys deliberately failing to see the challenges he offered in his outlines?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-272.928.html#msg1225127

I'm still asking that if anyone has any concerns strong enough to flaw the outline of my piece delineated above, they could raise them. We're all trying to share and learn; but the idea of referring to others accusatively/perjoratively as "tithe eaters" and "stealing in the name of the Lord" is morally wrong - and I had hoped you would rather have had something to say in that regard.

What has anyone raised in objection to his outlines? At least, he has offered some points to counter previously held notions, which as yet no one has argued against.

The one reason why I left off the discussion in this thread for a while was because, as bari_kade himself observed, some posts seem to be far more concerned with derision than with calm and objective reasoning from Scripture. I just hope such a trend would not continue so that the discussion can progress.

Perhaps if Nigerian women tow the 'Ruth be-attitude', there might as well be many Nigerian Boaz in the landscape (since almost every street now is a Graham-ministry on their own).  

Great tribute.

Since there's a thread already where it's being discussed (as you hinted), why not continue there?

Perhaps, you might want to expound on the fresh issues you wish to discuss in this one?

@onyex,

I'm just wondering how exactly one could understand anything if any part of the brain is denied its right to function. I mean, what part of your brain do you use when reading posts on this thread in order to understand what people are saying?

@uji,

uji:
babyosisi and tv01 u guys beta lay low bout that man, he is the best gift any generation can have!, u re probably not born again

This is bordering on hero-worship, and it is counter productive to true spirituality in Christ. You just don't disparage fellow believers and count them not born again simply because you applaud the ministry of any MOG.

Besides, there's no other person that is "the best gift any generation can have" except Jesus Christ!

@sage,

I don't think there's any need to keep repeating yourself over and over again on just one thing. What you just said above has been said earlier here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-61492.64.html#msg1247657

The one thing that we ought to be doing now is to set aside our male-driven ego and look into Scripture as to the indispensable ministry of women. It's just about time that we should be asking the right kind of questions and seeking to appreciate the very profound roles women are called to play in the life of the Church.

Surely women are also part of the Body of Christ, not so? And they are also on equal terms of NT priesthood with the men, not so? Now, we should begin asking ourselves what exactly the Bible shows us as to their profound calling and ministries in the Body of Christ, in order that we may better appreciate them.

Remember: "neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord" (I Cor. 11:11).

Perhaps it might be more helpful to appreciate the roles played by women in the Church; rather than just simply relegating them to a black hole mentality as if they were meant to exist and never be heard.

What roles do women play in Church? Women may not have been among the priesthood of the OT; but they are undeniably included in the priesthood of all Christian believers in the NT (I Pet. 2:5 & 9).

I was just thinking about this question this morning, and the thought that crossed my mind was this:

I would rather be in a local church where women are appreciated for their leadership roles
than be in one where women are second citizens.

Am I getting my thoughts on mere human persuasions? Not at all. I think it is time for us to begin to open our hearts and minds and to re-examine our traditional male-only religious world. I believe there are answers for some of the questions many of us are asking; but more than that, we might as well be concerned with whether or not we have been asking the right kinds of questions.

It all depends on who is defining what. Christianity is both a relationship and a religion depending on the context one uses either terms. What is central to this discussion is that Christianity is a different kind of relationship from what is usually offered in other faiths.

John 1:1.

The Muslim cleric should not be blamed - he was sincerely speaking his mind based on the "example" of the prophet in the Hadith.

Dude jlee,

Please note two facts from Acts 29 --

(a) men of perverted minds will try to infiltrate Christianity (vs. 29-31)

"For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you,
not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse
things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by
the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears."

(b) the Word of God will continue to bless sincere seekers (vs. 32)

"And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is
able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are
sanctified."


If you know the Lord Jesus in reality, do not be alarmed. Answers to your questions are clearly in the Word.

@Kuns,

Kuns:
He was involved in the trans-lations from the latin to the English version.

He used the name William Tinsdale?

Do you have any reference for your summations?

Dude, you're talking about two different people.

William Shakespeare  -- English playwright and novelist (1564-1616)
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/shakespe.htm

William Tyndale  -- English clergyman (1494-1536)
http://www.believersweb.org/view.cfm?ID=167

These gentlemen lived in two different periods separated by about 28 years. Tyndale died in 1536, while Shakespeare was born 28 years after in 1564.

@Kuns,

I carefully followed the thread and observed that you derailed with your characteristic illiterate posts, which were nothing more than the usual rabid isolationism of your self-defeating black racism.

As long as you and your alter ego fail to reason and continue to display your illiterate idiocy of this seething racism against other people, you'll continually be served the necessary antidote to your malady.

Your question earlier about if you had mentioned one racist thing was answered by a clear reference to your ribald racist statements. The latest attempt to drive round that obvious fact is even making matters worse for you; and only accentuates the crass of your antiquated self-inflicted malady.

Dr. Funmilaiyo Kuti, Obafemi Awolowo, Nnamdi Azikwe, Steve Beko, Nelson Mandela are all good examples of leaders who stood by and were for and about the race does this make them illiterate and bad evil people. This is Right racism.

Trying to pretend that your black racism is better than white racism is one more score on the fact that not one iota of melanin in your blood is on average IQ. Who is the caucasian that is instigating Mugabe of Zimbabwe to murder his own black citizens on African soil? And the Jamaican case? The Haiti insanity of melanin gone mad in another hemisphere nko? You guys should grow up and see the daylight, or just crawl back to your putrid antiquated holes.

The one thing your ribald black racist theories have demonstrated is the unswerving loyalty to illiteracy and antiquated idiocy.

Kuns:
it was written and revised and re-translated and re-edited by many men including William Shakespeare.

Come off it, pally. How did you come round the idea that William Shakespeare was involved in writing the Bible?

Lol, I haven't forgotten actually - just been too lazy to finish the draft.

olutomiwa:
you sure say u no like them

Like wetin?

@Nicer,

Nicer:
so u guys are still at it? for u to focus so much time and energy on Islam bashing, muslims must be doing something right.

What is the right thing that Muslims must be doing if one has to quote from the Qur'an? What are Muslims doing right to be taken to hell by an irrevocable decree from Allah?

Hi KAG,

I'd seen that in a forum as well: http://www.cool-teens.com/archive/index.php/t-15410.html

In anycase, when I tried counting as recommended, it didn't seem to fit the 46th word counting from the end. Perhaps I'm missing something; but when a few of my pals asked me to lay them out, I found that the word SPEAR was the 47th word. This was how it worked out:

47 spear
46 in
45 sunder
44 he
43 burneth
42 the
41 chariot
40 in
39 the
38 fire.
37 Be
36 still
35 and
34 know
33 that
32 I
31 am
30 God
29 I
28 will
27 be
26 exalted
25 among
24 the
23 heathen
22 I
21 will
20 be
19 exalted
18 in
17 the
16 earth
15 The
14 LORD
13 of
12 hosts
11 is
10 with
9 us
8 the
7 God
6 of
5 Jacob
4 is
3 our
2 refuge
1 Selah.

You won't believe it, but my pals insisted I still got it wrong - even though I tried to point out that William Shakespeare was not the translator of the King James Bible!

babyosisi:
olutomiwa please take down those pictures.

Again: "olutomiwa please take down those pictures!"

I beg. . . take them off, . . take them down, . . take them away, . . take them kpata-kpata!

@Kuns,

Another illiterate post of yours.

Kuns:
Now anything you burn in a furnace or oven will come out black. If you burn wood, paper or anything else for that matter in a furnace the fact is it would come out black. Like those nubians in Sudan.

Please set your low IQ aside and see the difference between "bronze" and "black" --

[img]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:yKxUHghNtwgg9M:http://www.clothesagency.com/userImages/kite/37/5.jpg[/img]

The top colour is bronze; the colour lower than that is black.

Now, school up and understand that it is not true that "anything" you put in a furnace comes out "black". Take a look at the pictures below:

Gold in furnace does not come out "black"

https://www.engnetglobal.com/images/companies/L/LHP001_782.gif

https://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3053701/2/istockphoto_3053701_gold_motion.jpg



These goldbars were first in the furnace - did they come out as black?

[img]http://www.matthey.com.hk/image/gold/gold.jpg[/img]


Why is it that your black racist clan are so illiterate, eh Kuns?

The thread originator sef is nowhere to be found. Wey the backwardly-spelt "Shakespeare" for Bible now?