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solite3:
and how much antithers sowed to freeze life ever since he started his sickness.

See your life?

Greed. Is it by amount of money?

mmmmmm....

This tithe hustling thread should die already.

kevoh:
Freeze is equally a sheeple who believes that some Jewish Nazarene in far away Israel died for him. Freeze also believes in talking snakes, talking donkeys of the Bible and eating the flesh and blood of the dead Jewish Nazarene via Holy Communion. I am not a fan but for now he is serving a good purpose I can not complain.

Freeze is a half sheeple


Half bread is bwtter than none

lilliesboy:
He sounds more like a Christian deist.

Are you related to kingebukasblog?

AlmiqhteeAllah:
Lol. Typical theists.

I knew they were making a mountain out of a mole hill---as usual.

I enjoy pointing out their fallacies

AlmiqhteeAllah:
Who watched the video? Kindly narrate it to me.

I don't waste my data on rubbish.

The video is actually rubbish. It is william craig vs an atheist.

The atheist used a weak analogy to say why there is no reason for believing in the supernatural.

His analogy waa that if someone keeps giving failed reasons to remove his money from the bank and invest in the stock market, he wouldnt investbin the stock market.

What the atheist was trying to say was that there has never been any solid argument for the supernatural.


William craig pounced on the analogy and said that there could be evidence that the stock market is good for investment and that the ahheist was being close minded.


This is how king ebuka also argues. Notice how Craig pounced on the analogy but not the main argument.

fatymore:
Thank God for the religion I found myself.. Rich or poor.. We stand shoulder to shoulder and pray.. No segregation or whatsoever..
Aliamdulilahi

Lies. I have been to a mosqie with a high ranking army man. There was space kept for the man to pray at the front.

Also, the treatment of africans during hsjj in saudi....

Sapphire86:
Well done OP!!

Proud to be a Christian
Proud to be a 'son' of the Most High
Proud to pay my tithes (if any pastor likes, let him spend carelessly - na him and God get discussion. I only pay to church because I don't know the address of God in heaven

Proud to be a lover of the things of God and also giving cheerfully.

You forgot to write:

"Proud to be a sheep that refuses to use brain"

butterflyl1on:
Christian discrimination? Lmao

More like atheistic victim mentality projection.

You say Christians use THEIR GOD to discriminate but atheists say this same God does not exist so why would a non existent God discriminate and how could this even be a possibility to an atheist who is blank about this God?

You are not saying anything sensible or honest.

UyiIredia:
Belief is something you know to be true whether based on evidence or not. You are the fool who needs to go back to school.

Resorting to insults, sir? How petty.

UyiIredia:
An atheist pretending to be a deist talking about dishonesty. Please!

This is news to me. So I am now an atheist?

It is petty to resort to lies when you lose a debate.

butterflyl1on:
You believe in a non personal god right? Who is this non personal god and how did you know he or it exists since he or is is non personal?

Describe or express this non personal god to me please.

All i have is logic. There is no concrete proof for god.

I chose the logic that something powerful had ser the ball rolling for existence. Life comes from life.


That powerful something is god to me.

Daddy Freeze!

KingEbukasBlog:
Mister , understand what I'm saying before labelling my statement as fallacious . Biko , I dey beg . I'm seriously tired of repeating myself.

The pantheist sees the universe as God , so the atheist is asking for evidence of the universe shey ?

I also believe that universe is God.

The atheist sees this and says that the universe is the universe and there is no proof that it is god

KingEbukasBlog:
To an atheist , there are no deities because he sees nothing as a deity be it a physical and non-physical entity .

Example
Before Saul , there were no kings in Israel because no Israelite was enthroned as a king . No one is Israel was conferred a kingship title

Apply this to the position of the atheist, there are no deities because no entity -physical or non-physical -has been conferred the deity or godhood status

Read this over and over again till you understand it.

Sir, this is fallacious.


Atheists are asking for evidence for god- which they have found lacking. The disbelieve because they have found no evidence and not because some deitoes have not been given godhood status.

butterflyl1on:
Define a god who is both a god and non personal? How would you even know of a god if he is non personal?

Humour me further.

There are different ideas and types of gods in different religions.

Take Greek gods for example- they can be defeated by mere men.

Zeus himself was a womanizer with earthly women.


A non personal god is a god that does not obsess over his creations (unlike the bible god Yahweh).

A lion does not concern himself with the affairs of sheep. Have you ever been personal with your feces? Do you care how it decays or festers in the soakaway?

butterflyl1on:
If you say an atheist is talking about how this God is written in the bible yet does not believe this God exists why then should they be OPENLY hostile in words and action against this same God?

I hope you are working on understanding what I am trying to say.

That is a dishonest question, sir. Who told you that the atheist is openly hostile to God of the bible?

From my experience, atheists react to how christians use their god and bible to discriminate. The athrists are hostile in reaction to christian discrimination

butterflyl1on:
What god do you believe in?

Humour me.

A non personal god?

butterflyl1on:
I hope you realise how silly you are sounding right now.

Atheist do not believe in the existence of God or gods so how can a non existent God show hostility? And why would the hostility of this non existent God matter? Why would an atheist see any reason to show hostility towards something they already declared does not exist?

They may be stupid but please try not to join them in that regard.

Meanwhile what is god to you being a deist.

The dishonesty shows itself again. If a deist (or an atheist) is talking about the biblical god, he/she is talking about how the god is written in the bible. He/she is not talking about the bible god as if it exists.

butterflyl1on:
Atheists would understand your reason for calling the universe god?

Do you call the universe god? I mean you personally. What do you call god?

If they can accept your version of god here why then should they be upset over someone else's who decides to deify his own version?

Does your god not call atheists "fools"?

Has your god not prepared hell for them?

Does your religion not ask you to discriminate against them?


The case is quite simple. Your god is hostile to atheists and atheists are hostile to you.

butterflyl1on:
Atheism rejects deification but can believe in anything else including witchcraft, ghosts, aliens, etc. Anything but a diety

You on the other hand believe in a diety who is separate from you and has left you to your fate .

You believe there must be a god (diety) but he does not interfere.

Like I said, focus on why you would even believe in a god despite his lack of interference and watch atheists pounce on you and shred you. Maybe then you would realise that their position is desperately selfish to them and you are not welcome in it.

I am also a humanist. In humanism, we have pagans, deists, atheists, hindus and buddhists.

The god i believe in does not have any effect on atheists or anyone else. Unlike the christian god.

butterflyl1on:
And what are your ideas I would reject? Atheists are far more accepting of your ideas because you reject divinity same as they do but still believe there is a god.

However try and parade ONLY your belief in god and watch them rip you to shreds.

I am sure you have always kept that part hidden away when conversing with them.

I am a christian and make bold to declare my position which is built solidly on belief in God and his divinity. That and only that is where you and I disagree.

Why and how then would I reject your other "ideas"?

Sir, you are wrong on many counts.

Atheists can agree that there could be a creator of life on earth- probably an alien race and not a god.

Atheist do not mind if I call the universe "god". They reject the deification but they can understand my reason for doing so.

UyiIredia:
Do you believe or not believe the stagement yiu made up there? If you believe that stayement that justification is a belief. If you dont believe it you wont use it as a justification. You dont grasp what a belief is. Ill remind you. A belief is something evidenxed or unevidenced you accept as true.

Please, go and learn the difference between knowledge and belief.

I know (not "I believe) that rat poison will make me sick.

Kindly sit down and reflect, sir.

UyiIredia:
No, they are not. If fact they dismiss deism and dont regatd it as much as theism since deism has lotyle influence unlike say Christianity. You are an uninformed deist. This explains your ignorance on what atheism is.

Sir, kindly sit down and keep quiet.

Many atheists can accept the possibility of there being a creator of life on earth. They agree that it would likely be an alien race but not a deity god.

Move along with your dishonesty.

UyiIredia:
The justification is also a belief. What the justification supports is also a belief.



A justification is a belief. You are not thinking.




What causes you to do something is something you believe. You cannot run from belief.

A justification is a belief? So when I say that "rat poison will make me sick if I eat it, and so I wont" I am espousing a belief?


Dishonesty. This is my last reply to you.

butterflyl1on:
Then you have no place asking me the question you did. If you need to find out if what I said is true or not then ask an atheist the questions I just asked and then ask for their reasons for such answers.

When you have those then tell them you believe in god and watch what happens next.

As long as you do not agree with their position, you are insane and stupid (so they assume the role of being the ones to approve or disprove the existence of God or gods) you on the other hand are stupid for believing in something they SOMEHOW KNOW does not exist yet you cannot also SOMEHOW KNOW god exists for yourself.

Your belief is crap but their belief or disbelief is everything.

As a deist, atheists are far more accepting of my ideas than christians like you.

butterflyl1on:
Does God exist?

Do gods exist?

Give me your answers to the above then you would have answered your question by yourself.

I am not an old man but a young'un so no need for the sir.

I believe in god. Notice the small "g". I am a deist.

butterflyl1on:
You have said it all. In a nutshell an atheist assumes the role that ONLY they can say if God exists or not based on their own terms so until they say so then every other belief in God or gods by anyone else is stupid and insane.

Bunch of hippies.

Sir, is this a sensible conclusion from you? Which atheist told you this?

UyiIredia:
You are the one being silly and dishonest. I will even use 2 online dictionaries.

reason: (Logic) A premise of an argument in support of a BELIEF, especially a minor premise when given after the conclusion.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/reason


reason: a statement presented in justification or explanation of a BELIEF or action

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/reason


Some other definitions do not use the word belief and use the word justification, explanation (Merriem Webster); conviction which is another word for a strong belief (Free Dictionary) and motive which also means reason. The crucial point is whatever statement you give as a reason for a position you hold must be something you believe and as such is a belief. It's that simple.

Now, that you have given "selected" definitions of "reason", is "reason" the same as "belief" in your definition? Reason means justification it does not mean belief.


With regards to the argument I was making, "reason" means "solid justification". This is not belief.

Here is the oxford dictionary

REASON
1.1-mass noun- Good or obvious cause to do something.
‘we have reason to celebrate’
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/reason

UyiIredia:
" Reason is the capacity for consciously making sense of things, establishing and verifying facts , applying logic, and changing or justifying practices, institutions and BELIEFS based on new or existing information"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason

The sloppythink in atheism never fails to amuse and annoy me.

Dishonesty will not allow you use a dictionary to define words. Sir, use a dictionary.

UyiIredia:
nit eating rat poison = choice thinking you wob't be sick = reason/belief

Sir, there not much to be gained from discussing with you if you can equate "reason" to "belief" in the example I gave.

Choosing not to eat rat poison so that I will not be sick is a belief? I can imagine the lengths you are willing to twist logic to claim that atheism is a belief.