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butterflyl1on:
You are typing nonsense!

Analogy 1

I have tried a certain drug for a health condition I have and it works every time for me so I never hesitate to take a dose of that drug whenever I experience that medical condition. SO I HAVE POSITIVE FAITH IN SAID DRUG THAT IT WORKS FOR ME. Although due to some reasons it does not work for everyone so is not universally agreed upon which is why there are other drugs apart from that one which would work for those that this particular one does not work for.

Analogy 2.

Since this drug does not work for some other people they for a fact based on personal experience have absolutely NO FAITH aka NEGATIVE FAITH in its effects so would gladly say the drug does not work.

Both experiences are personal while one works the other does not work.

However simply because it works for one or does not work for one does not mean that it must be so for all. This is where personal experience comes in and this is why there are personal questions inscribed on every drug leaflet because the interactions drugs have on people vary based on the individual so a list of questions or cautions are provided.

Now to positive faith in the existence of God it is as simple as saying that I HAVE FAITH THAT GOES EXISTS and the reason why I said this is based on my personal evidential experiences.

You on the other hand can say YOU HAVE FAITH THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Also this is based on your personal experiential evidence solely restricted to you at that time.

I have faith in positives and from my side I see you as having faith in negatives. You see yourself as having faith in positives while seeing me as having faith in negatives.

You call me delusional for believing God exists because you think that position is false and negative.

I see you as delusional for believing God does not exist because also that position is false and negative

Both positions are seen from a positive side and each view is seeing the other as negative.

It's all about perspectives. Positive faith and Negative faith.

This is simply put.

"No faith" is now negative faith? Lol.

Then having no hair is negative hair.

No car is negative car


Bloody clown

butterflyl1on:
You are typing nonsense!

Analogy 1

I have tried a certain drug for a health condition I have and it works every time for me so I never hesitate to take a dose of that drug whenever I experience that medical condition. SO I HAVE POSITIVE FAITH IN SAID DRUG THAT IT WORKS FOR ME. Although due to some reasons it does not work for everyone so is not universally agreed upon which is why there are other drugs apart from that one which would work for those that this particular one does not work for.

Analogy 2.

Since this drug does not work for some other people they for a fact based on personal experience have absolutely NO FAITH aka NEGATIVE FAITH in its effects so would gladly say the drug does not work.

Both experiences are personal while one works the other does not work.

However simply because it works for one or does not work for one does not mean that it must be so for all. This is where personal experience comes in and this is why there are personal questions inscribed on every drug leaflet because the interactions drugs have on people vary based on the individual so a list of questions or cautions are provided.

Now to positive faith in the existence of God it is as simple as saying that I HAVE FAITH THAT GOES EXISTS and the reason why I said this is based on my personal evidential experiences.

You on the other hand can say YOU HAVE FAITH THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST. Also this is based on your personal experiential evidence solely restricted to you at that time.

I have faith in positives and from my side I see you as having faith in negatives. You see yourself as having faith in positives while seeing me as having faith in negatives.

You call me delusional for believing God exists because you think that position is false and negative.

I see you as delusional for believing God does not exist because also that position is false and negative

Both positions are seen from a positive side and each view is seeing the other as negative.

It's all about perspectives. Positive faith and Negative faith.

This is simply put.

"No faith" is now negative faith? Lol.

Then having no hair is negative hair.

No car is negative car


Bloody clown

butterflyl1on:
What they fail to realize is that faith has 2 sides. There is positive faith (which is what theists have when they say God exists)
Then there is negative faith (which is what atheists have when they say God does not exist).

However for the theist he believes he has a self experienced evidence of God which makes him believe God exists. Faith is personal so the experience it brings Is also personal.

The negative faith atheists possess is similar to that of the theist in that they also have a negative self experienced evidence of No God which makes then believe God does not exist.

Both are 2 sides of the same coin. Atheism is faith based but I am sure they would deny this to their graves.

They simply claim to be knowledgeable of the lack of existence of God but the truth is that this knowledge they claim to have is simply a No God self experienced evidence which isn't empirical and which cannot be universally agreed upon.

Negative faith? How can faith be negative?


So a disbelief in God in faith....a negative faith?



With all due respect, that is wrong. Skepticism and faith are polar opposites. Please stop talking nonsense. A disbelief in God is skeptcism. Skepticism towards God's existence. Rationally based doubt. Can doubt and faith be the same? Your negative faith theory is rubbish


One does not need faith to disbelieve......doubt is the root of all disbelief. Doubt, skepticism, fact-checking.....

butterflyl1on:
Why do you wish to see proof of a God you ALREADY declared does not exist? Your insanity is like peak milk (it's in you)

If I claim God is real and you claim He is not real and you are sure that he is not real why would my claim bother you so much so that you are ranting and whining and pleading for proof of his existence? Or are you now no longer sure of your declaration?

Only someone who isn't absolutely sure about his original THERE IS NO GOD declaration that would still be begging for proof after such a declaration. Or do you not know what the term DOES NOT EXIST means?

If you had said "God probably exists but I need proof to be sure " then would you be making sense.

But when you say GOD DOES NOT EXIST. This is not a probability neither is it a supposition but a stark declaration from a position of certainty.

So why still seek for proof of Gods existence after making such a declaration or do you get your cake back after eating it? This is why I said your imagination is vivid and tangible like that of a mad man who alone sees boxers on the street and is busy punching the air as if they were real

This is what you are doing here. You claim God does not exist yet you just cannot stop talking about him and whining on and on about him while demanding for proof.

Even your dog knows when there is no food in its plate and does not begin to imagine it and chew the plate while imagining it is food. You are supposed to be more intelligent than your dog so stop acting like you ate from the crumbs of intelligence that fell from your dogs plate.

If you like write epistle, write novel, write story.......all na zero......zero evidence for God.



You can't prove your God

butterflyl1on:
The material the car is made of is not metal which is why it would be rendered valueless aka zero value on the advent of such an accident.

Your questions are as silly as you. Why would I be speeding in a brittle car that I would want to sell when I know any accident will reduce the car to zero?

Nonsense.

butterflyl1on:
Please don't pollute this thread with deep ignorance. Your comment above shows how limited your reasoning is and how you find extremely impossible to reason outside the box.

Lack of belief is not religion because religion is not based on belief ALONE.

atheism is a religion because it is not based on a lack of belief alone.

I hope you can link the two if you really try.

Saving this post for its extreme foolishness.

Geeklady:
Satan is working tirelessly. Sex dolls is now thought as a norm. SMH

Satan ke? Even pastors and priests have sex dolls......but the dolls are known as altar boys.

EbukaHades10:
1,Yes
2,How will someone carry sex doll to a hotel? Wetin do ur house?
3,Did any family member give birth to the sexdoll?
4,How do we know it is under 18? If u see an under 18 sexdoll,will u know?
5,What do call a brothel?

2. Some guys hide their sexdolls from their wives.

4. If the sex doll is short and has a young face nko?

With the rate at which sex dolls are becoming popular, sensible people should stop and think about its implications. Here are 5 moral issues we as a society have to deliberate on.....


1. Is it rape for someone to have sex with another person's sex doll without permission?


2. Is it cheating or adultery for a married person to have secret sex with a sex doll in a hotel?


3. Is it incest if 2 people from the same family sleep with the same sex doll?


4. If the sex doll looks under 18, can it be said to be paedophilia?


5. Do we still call it a brothel if all the sex workers are sex dolls?

Faulty question.

I would only drive the car in my area. Why would I be speeding anyhow with a car i want to sell?

As for the question. Nna, I don't want death on my conscience. The accidented car would still have scrap value of about a 100k.

Oricha62:
Some of The reasons why Muslim women are not allowed to marry non muslim are as follows

It is obligatory upon women to obey their husband in in Islam,if they don't comply with the rules of the husband,they will be sinful.
If the non muslim husband wants forbidden things like eating pork and others, the women will sinful if she obey or not .
In both cases,she is sinful.

This does not make sense considering that a non-muslim wife too can chose to eat pork or do things that are considered to be haraam.

What a non-muslim husband can do, a non-muslim wife can do also.

butterflyl1on:
So now I am "sir" to you abi? I can see the factory reset button is still working with you.

Factory reset? I resemble sex doll

Sir, please answer my question- do you believe in the power of babalawos?

butterflyl1on:
I loved reading it too. He cuts an image of someone though still struggling in life but still tries to keep it classy.

Like those young men who have no money but would use their mouth to build castles and images of Lamborghinis and Rolls Royces for you

Sir, do you believe in the power of babalawos?

tartar9:
Likewise in Islam

A woman can wear gold but a man can't

A woman can wear silk but a man can't

A woman can dance but not the man(makruh)

A man must provide for all the needs not the woman

A man goes to war,not the woman

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Why aren't these also called oppression of men?
Everything must not be seen only with the lens of oppression and subjugation.
We are equal but not the same.

@Seun.

This does not sell help the arguments against Islam that claim that Islam treats women as less than men

Regarding the Islamic ruling in which men are not permitted to wear silk/gold but women are, a feminist would argue that it shows that women are taken as ornaments for men. They should be pretty while men should take care of them.

Wearing gold or silk does not change the fact that women struggle to be independent in Islamic society. They can't marry outside the religion. Their testimony is not as valid as a man in court etc.


Going to war or taking care financially of a woman by men only shows that Islam view women as children who cannot fight or take care of themselves.

butterflyl1on:
Not more information. What you need is actual evidence or do you no longer believe in actual verifiable evidence?

Talk is cheap. Let's do it the right and concrete way shall we?

Otematum, you are giving butterflyl1on mouth to call you a liar.

OtemAtum:
You are a prophet at the bolded. something kept on telling me to check into nairaland after leaving it for a while, then I saw this. The thief who lost his reputation through the 4evergod moniker thought that he could gain it back through this butterfly moniker, but alas...
A thief will always be a thief until he is caught in the act. Let's kip watching him from the high places (In Falz' voice)
@Butterfly, ride on Sah, we are still watching you from the high places.

Guy, we need more information. The best way to deal with scammers is to expose them widely.

My body is sweeting me......it is always a good thing when a scammer is exposed.

Butterflyl1on, abeg come and see how otematum is ready to open your yansh (no homo)

Tithe is scam

felixomor:
Like I said,
Keep crying.
Visit Church tomorrow and check attendance

Wetin this one dey talk

butterflyl1on:
Your comment



You said I reason like A dons. That on it's own is a wrong English said correctly. There is nothing like A DONS but there is something like A DUNCE which goes with your claim that I am foolish.

Also there is ABSOLUTELY NO DICTIONARY THAT DEFINES DONS. THEY DEFINE DON.

mark the difference. Your attempt and justifying your illiterate submission further exposed your lie. You put the dictionary definition for DON and not DONS. Stop lying.

Just waiting for otem

butterflyl1on:
And you talk like a scammer too always concocting stories just to discredit what you do not understand simply because you loathe it. Always trying to present the "fine print"as the full picture. Only scanners do that.

You are on the verge of bursting Your Own bubble.

No wonder you make good company for dalaman. He seems drawn to liars and which you are one major one as his silly comment above has shown he enjoys listening to and believing lies and never asks for evidence for lies but would always ask for evidence for truth. THE TYPICAL ATHEIST WAY.

Keep telling stories. You will soon be exposed.

dalaman:
Butterflyl1on is a scammer . OtemAtum openly accused him of lying about trying to buy pig feeds. He said butterflyl1on placed an advert that he wanted to buy pig feed, he (Otematum) contacted him and butterflyl1on then quickly changed the story from and quickly claimed he's a not really interested in buying pig feeds, he claimed that he actuakly sells pig feeds and has a factory in Ogun state that makes pig feeds. Otematum said he then called him using the number he dropped and told him he was coming to visit his production site on Ogun state, since then the number stopped going through after butterflyl1on suspected he's some he knows. He insisted that butterflyl1on is 4everGod. and I completely believe otematum.

The leopard can never hide it's spots.

He will soon expose himself

butterflyl1on:
Wow what an ode. From morality you jumped to stoning children. When will your confusion sort itself out?

See dodging! I'm sure that you are a scammer with this your deceptive replies.

Answer the questions

1. Did your conclusion make any sense regarding my statement on "spare the rod" bible quote?

2. Do christians practice the same morality?

3. If atheists practice differing sets of morality does it make them confused?

butterflyl1on:
Your comment




Now that you have seen it, go and buy some sense because yours is tipping the scale on the deficit side.

I see that you do not want to have sense. Number 1 below is my statement and number 2 is your conclusion. Please how does number 1 lead logically to your foolish conclusion in number 2? Please note that I quoted the 2 statements verbatim.


1. [b"Spare the rod and spoil the child"- that is the quote from a book that supports stoning of children."[/b]

2. "the spare the rod and spoil the child scripture talks about stoning children"




Only a dishonest tool like you can believe that number 2 is a valid conclusion from the statement in number 1

Daviddson:
Let's reclaim this section from the atheists. Christianity is much more than just believing in the existence and acknowledgement of God's being.

Atheism rules the internet.

butterflyl1on:
The Bible calls it a rod OF CORRECTION. emphasis on correction. The focus is on correction and not the rod.

Same scripture says OPEN REBUKE (CORRECTION) IS BETTER THAN SECRET LOVE.

it seems the heat of the sun is frying your senses because you are claiming the spare the rod and spoil the child scripture talks about stoning children. Indeed your brain needs reformatting.

See your life? This is how you argue with straw men and shifting goal posts.

Where in my comment did you see that I claimed that "spare the rod" meant "stoning children"?? REREAD THE COMMENT PLS!


I clearly stated that in the context of the same bible that advocates stoning of children, "spare the rod" clearly refers to beatings.


Even without that, the fact remains that NIGERIAN CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN BEATING CHILDREN, UK CHRISTIANS DO NOT....Meaning that christians follow different morality.

butterflyl1on:
You are still talking bunkum. Even with what I just typed previously about correction you still typed the bolded?

Your sense is missing. Go and pick it up where it fell off.

You are just fooling yourself.

I notice how you avoided saying that my statement in bold is false. Prove it false if you are not foolish.


Nigerian christians beat children, UK christians dont. etc



Even worse is your idiotic defence of child beating in the Bible that it refers to all forms of correction and not just beating.

"Spare the rod and spoil the child"- that is the quote from a book that supports stoning of children. But no, your silly self believes that it is "metaphorical" for all kinds of correction.

Get sense, menn.

butterflyl1on:
First you say Christians do not follow the same principles, now you say killing animals and vegetarian and beating.

FYI the Bible was not specifically talking about beating but CORRECTION. PEOPLE CORRECT VERBALLY, SIMPLE PUNISHMENT, ETC

again you have no idea what morality is. This is 2018 get your shït together.

Please just keep quiet because you are just roaming around the topicc with this goalpost shifting.

The point is that

1. Christians follow different morality i.e catholics and jehovahs witness follow different sets of morality. Nigerian christians beat children, UK christians dont. etc

2. Atheists follow different morality. Some atheists dont support gays, some do.


Receive sense.

butterflyl1on:
Your comment here shows you do not have any idea what morality is.

Vegetarian? Beating? Ogbeni confusion is your portion.

Some people are vegetarians out of the "immorality" of killing animals.

Some people beat their children as instructed by bible morality "spare the rod and spoil the child"


Sir, you are the one being confused, ignorant, empty-headed and purposely obtuse as to what morality is.


Stop acting silly. This is 2018

butterflyl1on:
One phrase for your words. THEY ARE INSANELY CONFUSED.

christians follow the same morality which was why I removed that word from your list.

You are the one confused. Atheists are not confused. You are just not intelligent enough to see that there are many paths to progress in life. Atheism is a wide term because disbelief in god does not stop you from following any path that suits you.


As for christianity, A JW is clearly different from a catholic. There are christians who are vegetarians, christians who do not drink, christians who believe in torture etc morality varies.

British christians dont beat their children but Nigerian christians do. Can you see that you are not making sense when you say that christians follow the same morality? Do all christians tithe? Receive sense in this 2018, bro!

butterflyl1on:


It seems whorish? An atheist frowns at this? Why would whoring be wrong when your other atheists say it's perfectly cool including seun? Their morality in that area appears to be completely dead. Do their responses to you not shock you and disgust you especially with Your Own view of it being wrong and whorish?

Why do you choose to be unreasonable? This is 2018. Time to improve on your thinking game.


Atheists or deists or even christians do not follow the same morality- atheists especially. Some atheists are bhuddhists, some are humanists, some are hindus some are pagans etc.