₦airaland Forum

bahaushe1:
Worldly things doesn't appeal to religious people. Non of the Prophets of God is known to be stupendously rich. Religion is for people who care about their hereafter.

This is not true, my brother. Pastors here in Nigeria like private jets and massive church buildings

gentlegenius:
Guy, I don't understand why you are wasting so much time to defend against this issue. Even if the stats the Op posted are wrong as you claimed, but you and I know the truth: Those countries don't take religion seriously as Nigerians do.
Nigeria arguably has the highest number of Pastors and religious worship centers in the world. There are over 40000 churches in Lagos alone, I don't even mention mosques. Almost everyone who can't get good jobs in this difficult country are going into ministry as Pastors. There's a slight correlation between our country's lack of technological advancement and our over religious lifestyle. Those countries developed because they invested more in themselves by acquiring quality knowledge while we invest more in our religions. Those countries spent more time and money on research while we spent more time in our worship centers. Those countries invent luxurious cars and private jets but we spent our money to buy such cars and jets for our Pastors and religious leaders thereby boosting their income. Why won't they be richer than us? Why won't they advance and develop more than us? When they were busy generating ideas to build their countries, we were busy fighting religious wars and destroying our country. When they were listening to good seminars and learning how to invest their money, we were listening to prosperity messages from our Pastors and learning how to pay tithes and sow seeds.
This country will never change until we change our mentality. But unfortunately, today's Pastors and religious leaders has brainwashed us to the point that we believe religion is the only way to progress.

Well put, sir.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Why would you believe it's a mighty being and not beings?

I believe your line of thought is still influenced by your former belief.

When you say it is a being what picture of it do you have in mind?

If a being created this existence, how did it exist in the first place?

You need to take your scepticism a little further, if your intent is to be objective.

Is this universe part of the being or not? If not...
Where did it get the materials from?
If yes? Can we say there is a being or we are the being?
If we are the being, is it still right to say "there is a mighty being"?

Being a deist is just a safe landing... You can still get a little further, till you realize that every position about the universe appeals to our nature to know, and there is no known answer, but mere speculations. This is where it gets twisted, and I see no shame in admitting that we are ignorant of the facts no matter the belief which we end up accepting.

Bro, is this atheist evangelism? Call it whatever you want, I believe that there is a higher power. The being does not have to be part of the universe.

Something must have created the universe. I theorize that the being could have come from another universe.

lindabon:
Not completely true my dear. I live in the UK, and there is a church close to me that disturbs oo. But guess what, its a Nigerian Church.

Of course. It has to be a Nigerian church

Jonathan:
Lol!





Some people mumu ẹ

You couldn't tell that it was a joke? See mumu!

pyrex23:
mumu...dem tell u say na evans d kidnapper?...

mumu....dem no dey tell jokes for your village?

Evans medical assets

When they were kidnapping medical assets, they did not know that karma was coming for them.

KingEbukasBlog:
1.Goalpost shifting spotted . The argument was on if the Japanese were both Buddhists and Shintoists. And the source clearly noted that most Japanese are either Shintoists , Buddhists or both .

2.I also explained why Japanese don't consider themselves as religious



Your irrationality and close-mindedness exposed again

Sir, it is like you enjoy telling lies without any shame.

The original argument is not whether Japanese people follow both religions of shinto and buddhism as this was addressed in the op. Clearly, you cannot read;

superhumanist:
-60% of the population of Japanese are atheists but 155% are religious as people follow 2 or more religions culturally.
http://www.religionfacts.com/japan

Your second point is redundant. Japanese people are not religious. Even your source contradicted you.


As for the rest of your comment, I will treat it like the trash it is and not dignify it.





The op is about developed countries leaving religion. Please address that. I can see that you avoided talking about Europe, UK and the USA. It is a clear trend.

JackBizzle:
Did you even see where he said that you are an atheist pretending to be a deist? Kingebukasblog's lies have now reached mind-reading! He has this obsession with deists because he cant defend his christian god and so, he argues for a deist god.


Shame

I did not even bother to dignify that nonsense. So I am not a deist according to kingebukasblog? This guy must be joking. There is nothing even wrong about being an atheist, so the guy still comes of as silly.

With my above post, kingebukasblog, do you still want to claim that japanese are religious when even your own source says that "Religion does not play a big role in the everyday life of most Japanese people today"?


Hoisted with your own petard

KingEbukasBlog:
You have a snippet of a Japanese website that clearly stated that they are in harmony and that there Japanese people who identify as both Shintoists and Buddhists . I gave you an example with one of Taoism's beliefs that appears to be congruent with a Christian belief to show how some religious beliefs can be in harmony .

Very close-minded and delusional I see . Deists are usually logical and mentally fluid but you are a direct opposite of who they are . I think you are an atheist who purports himself as a deist .

Sir, I believe that you are a mature man who shouldn't be dishonest and so, why are you doing this? Is it because I didnt want to bother correcting your huge lies?

Okay, I will correct you once and for all. Here is the full quote of the source you posted which both contradicts you and shows how you omitted the part that says that Japanese are not religious-

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6141327_japanesereligion_jpeg2f807a2f521a61d75a77db2863772634


Why would you omit that second paragraph if you are not lying by omission?

JackBizzle:
Kingebukasblog does not read any fact contrary to his opinions. The fact is that Japanese people follow religion culturally. They are not religious.

How can a person be born shinto, marry with church wedding and buried with buddhist rites?

Leave the fool to argue that Japanese are religious.

What they say about him is true. He is even trying to lie that Buddhism and Shintoism are in harmony. They both have any contradictory beliefs

I'll let him deceive himself. Even his quote does not support him.

KingEbukasBlog:
You can conflate the two especially when they are in harmony with each other . Just the same way that as a Christian I've come some very interesting beliefs in Taoism like the wei wu , a way of showing calmness and not carried away by turbulence and letting things work themselves out by doing nothing . Just like the bible tells you to show sangfroid when you are in a difficult position because God is with you .

Sir, are you a specialist in lies? Shintoism and Buddhism are very different.

KingEbukasBlog:
Please beware of false information on this forum by atheists

1. China

According to Yang and Hu (2012) , 55.5% of the adult population (15+) of China, or 578 million people in absolute numbers, believe and practice folk religions, including a 20% who practice ancestor religion or communal worship of deities .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_folk_religion#Demographics

And this is just the population that deals with traditional religions in China like Han folk religion and Confucianism . The remaining population comprises of Christians , Muslims , Buddhist and other religions

In the same China , by 2030, China's total Christian population, including Catholics, would exceed 247 million, placing it above Mexico, Brazil and the United States as the largest Christian congregation in the world, he predicted.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

Sir, please learn to read before you post. 247 million to a billion is 24%. China is irreligious and its communist party is irreligious. China will always be majorly irreligious. Your post does not negate the original point in the op. Or are you unseriously trying to argue that china is more christian or will be more christian than irreligious?

Sir please, kindly think before you post.

KingEbukasBlog:
2. Japan

In 2009, an official survey showed that over half the Japanese families had a "butsudan" or Buddhist altar in their homes. A 2009 data from the Agency of Cultural Affairs stated that there were 89 million Buddhists in Japan. In 2011, Usa Today reported that 90% of the Japanese identified as Buddhist or Shinto or a combination of both.


Population: 127 million (2016)

People are right when they say that you do not read before you comment. Japanese will follow 2 opposite religions just for cultural sake.

They are not religious. Shintoism and buddhism are two different religions, how then can one practise both?

Japanese are not religious- they are born shinto, have buddhists rites and then have christian weddings Culture not religion

ScepticalPyrrho:
You don't believe in a personal God? And...
You're a deist?

These are contradicting statements.

A deist believes in god but not a personal god. I believe that there is a mighty being that created the universe but he or she is not petty enough to be concerned with the actions of puny humans

vaxx:
without love ,there can never be mercy...Nigerians as an individual are turning away from love...... Which is the main religion........

We have love without religion.

Being less religious and more spiritual will be a step forward for Nigeria

vaxx:
Nigeria is not a zoo.....pls stop painting my father land black......it is we the individual that are turning against the fundamental law of God(love)....



Who religion don EPP?

Religion don help the world as a society....some of the first societies to arise were based solely around a common religion. Without religion, it would have been extremely unlikely for humans to find any cultural common ground. Most early tribal peoples would have driven each other to extinction based on the belief that one group must be superior than the other. Religion provided the belief that humans are under a deity, and therefore equal (In the case of most religions).

Religion don help nigeria greatly...many benefits in our society exist today due to prevalent of religion...it provides a sense of unity for communities and most religions provide charity services at no expense to the state or the tax payer. Churches, Mosques, temple, and other forms of voluntary institutions are simply more able to provide aid to those in need than individuals or governments.

My brother, let us not lie to ourselves. Religion is a problem and not a solution as far as Nigeria is concerned. The way we practice religion in Nigeria is just too much.

Go and see christians in Europe. They mind their business. They mostly do not tithe. Churches there dont disturb peace with loudspeakers and they pay tax. They are very discreet with miracles. They actually do proper charity that helps (not just giving bags of rice).

hopefulLandlord:
This is funny, so OP deactivated?

I hope all he did was just a thought experiment cuz if this is the real him................

I think that he is an alt username. His ridiculous style of argument mirrors that of the three christian trolls here.

sKy007:
They might have no religion but;
they won't oppressed their fellow human
They won't send soldiers to harass and kill unarmed citizens
They won't purposely keep people poor to take advantage over them
They won't start killing because the other person does not believe in what they believe
They won't live in penury yet contribute money for one person to buy private jet
They won't erect status for corrupt leaders
They won't sleep well if more than 50% of the population are unemployed or underemployed

Who religion don epp?

Good question! Who religion don epp?

Well, it hasn't helped Nigeria come out of its zoo-ish nature

RoyalBlak007:
♤ It's because most Christians pray more than they work, which shouldn't be so

[color=#F5A215]♤ God does not give wealth; He gives you the power and ability to gain wealth[/color]

I don't believe in a personal god. I'm a deist. However, your first sentence remains true.

If religion is so great, why are the most developed countries leaving it? These countries are secular and becoming more and more secular.


1. A third of Americans in the USA will be "non-religious" by 2030
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-u-s-is-retreating-from-religion/

2. 53% of British people say that they have no religion. This has been a rising trend since the 70's
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-atheist-no-religion-uk-christianity-islam-sikism-judaism-jewish-muslims-a7928896.html

3. The three most developed countries in Asia i.e South Korea, China and Japan all are very irreligious
-56% of South Koreans have no religion and the youth are leaving religion at an alarming rate
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/05/young-south-koreans-turning-religion-170524144746222.html
-60% of the population of Japanese are atheists but 155% are religious as people follow 2 or more religions culturally.
http://www.religionfacts.com/japan
-China is communist and so, people are reluctant to say they are religious. 60% are atheists while on 7% feel religious.


The most irreligious countries are also the most developed countries in the world (except north korea)

% PEOPLE IN COUNTRIES THAT FEEL RELIGIOUS-
China - 7%
Japan - 13%
Estonia - 16%
Sweden - 19%
Norway - 21%
Czech Republic - 23%
Hong Kong - 26%
Netherlands - 26%
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/most-religious-countries-in-the-world/




So christians, how do you explain this?

JackBizzle:
Nigeria is not as ultra-religious as it once was. The topic of atheism is no more taboo as it once was. It is now discussed in various media.



1) Radio talkshows; I have witnessed radio hosts discussing twice about atheism despite the fact that I only listen to radio once in a while. The first was an atheist challenging the existence of God on a christian talkshow on sunday on 93.7, the other was a radio talkshow host complaining of her roommate not believing in God (cant remember the radio station)

2) Atheist groups and conventions; two new atheist groups have come up and there is an atheist convention on the 11th of september. One of the groups is a humanist one and the other on is the atheist convention of Nigeria (ASN), which is having the convention.

3) Growth of atheist numbers on Nairaland, twitter and facebook; there is no week I dont see some criticism of religion or God on twitter or facebook by a Nigerian. This shows that the internet gives voices to those who are more careful in real life. Nairaland is the den of atheist- no need to even talk about it.

I just noticed 2 new atheist groups on facebook. I also know that whatsapp groups are also emerging.

I'm so happy that so many people saw the dishonesty in this tithe-hustling thread. Good riddance

hoopLA:
Liars will always lie.

Abraham was not under the law according to our resident charlatan.

But his act of "tithing" is supposed to justify why we should pay tithe to anybody as against what is established by the law.


As if that makes any sense.

When one is a mad illiterate, it is only on public forums he chooses to display it.

Felixomor, please think about the truth in this statement

ScepticalPyrrho:
Some religionists are avoiding this thread. They'll be quick to call atheism a religion, but would cunningly avoid this thread....

I wonder why anyone would say atheism is a religion, but won't say the same for theism - when the "a" in atheism is just a prefix.

Atheism is not a religion. I think religionists have moved away from that myth

Goshen360:
We know these tithe peddlers like the OP and have dealt with such people over the years. I just have little strength for argument like his.

SPOILS OF WAR DOESN'T QUALIFY AS TITHES under the law so we know it's not tithe but tenth. However we or some or most use the word interchangeably.

Very true talk. Don't mind these tithe hustlers. They tell any lie to hustle for tithes

You are right bro.

Atheism means that you have escaped the shackles of believing in sky daddies. It does not mean that you have escaped other delusions.

akintom:
The erroneous definition of atheism, is largely responsible for the conflict of thoughts, When it comes to perceptive expectations from persons labeled as atheist.

Really, nobody can be called an atheist. Because that would suggest a philosophical or ideological or conceptual entity.

The "RESPONSE" to the UNSUBSTANTIATED claims of existence of Gods, is what originated the label - atheist.

Since atheistic "response", isn't ideological nor conceptual nor philosophical, the "responder" can't have existential status.

So, someone can hold atheistic response, but infirmed of decency, reason and empathy in relating with other aspects of life.

My opinion!

Sir, I did not ask you to burst my brain with grammar this morning.

Tithe again? The way these tithe peddlers lie for tithes is quite annoying.

OP, Abram did not tithe. Abram gave a tenth of the spoils of war to Melchizedek.

Other bible versions (Living bible, international standard version) state that it was a tenth of the loot/everything.

It is only King James version that uses "tithe". That tithe was not a typical tithe offering but a tribute of spoils of war.



Tithe hustlers will not kill me.

Secularism and humanism are good for any nation. I say this because developed countries are mostly secular.

STUPUDTHEISTS:
Technically everybody is agnostic - both theists and atheists. Nobody can know for certain or make conclusive claims about god existence or inexistence - not even the theist or the so-called gnostic atheists. In fact I think it's just a blatant display of arrogance to claim to know there's a god or there's not one. So we're left with belief. You either believe or you don't. Agnosticism doesn't equate to sitting on the fence - it's simply the position of every person towards God. The question that ascertain one's label - theism or atheism - is a simple one: DO YOU BELIEVE IN GOD?

It's not surprising people are not asked "do you know about God existence?" because it's a useless question - we're all agnostics. Anybody tagging himself gnostic or whatever is just being plain stupid and arrogant.

Wow, that's a hard-line absolutist view. You are technically correct though. Where you are wrong is the fact that we can be 100% sure that the Abrahamic god does not exist. This is because it is nonsensical and contradictory.