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nemesis4u:
kill probability etc given by OEM r calculated under test conditions , in real world one will get surprised more often if one decides to take the same as the gospel truth

every weapon system has counters (which again has counters and again.............so forth , actually it is a game of ringa ringa roses ), it depends on activating the right one at the right time at the right place .

eg. laser guided systems can be defeated by laser beam dispersing aerosol mists

Yes, but many guided weapon manufacturers have official hit rate so user knows what to expect in war, some missiles as low as 60%.

Mokopa was not laser jammed when it missed easiest target in the world, gripen plus rooivalk combined computer guidance on a target set neatly like dining table food and mokopa launch pilots were told what and where target is so demo can impress Nigeria buyers at the show, yet mokopa still missed target under such super easy conditions, DENEL dare not come out boast of any hit rate like APKWS that is world beater at 93% kill probability.

If it was South Africa that achieves 93% score they wont tell you hit rate does not make any guided missile or rocket a leader in its class. These RSA guys just twist tales to have good sleep at night when their inflated ego balloon meets sharp needle.

If NAF Tucanos APKWS hi-tech is common knowledge as South Africans claim, why cant DENEL make mokopa technology score 93% hit rate? Hehehehe, Okokobioko nite of tausand laffs

jln115:
The irony..... There was literally no argument until you started one!!!

No one even mentioned the mokopa, before you brought it up!!

Nairaland did not give anybody power to choose my words for me, no rule says I cannot criticise Mokopa same way your RSA group criticizes ARA MRAP.

Stop telling lies, I NEVER started Tucano APKWS classified tech argument, @Saengine and somebody began the argument, later I joined. Your own arguments are not arguments, but my own comment is the only argument?

Keep deceiving yourself as if you dont know Patches is the number one derailer on this thread and never wants to agree when clearly proved wrong, he turns it to endless argument till thread catches fire, he then calls the moderators and tell lies to shift blame on someone else.

frumentius:
Some classified ultra-secret 70mm guided rockets from around the world


PIC1: Lockheed DAGR;

PIC2: Raytheon Talon;

PIC3: Elbit GATR;

PIC4: Rocketsan Cirit;

PIC5: FZ275 LGR;

PIC6: BAE APKWS.

Summon courage and tell us which one of them is technologically advanced enough with 93% hit rate on target ?

patches689:
As usual, you say something ludicrous, get called out and then proceed to desperately make this an RSA v Nigeria thing.

APKWS, while an excellent purchase, is not ultra secret cutting edge technology. Examples of similar systems date back to the 1990s and it has 3 direct contenders currently on the open market. This is a simple fact.

Makopa has nothing to do with this, it's a completely different missile of a completely different catagory. The Makopa clearly has acceptable accuracy credentials, else, Algeria would not have purchased so many systems from us.

Please cease your confrontational nature, stop trying to constantly turn this into a Nigeria v South Africa thing. It's childish, and if you continue.... You will get banned, again.

When technical facts are used to debunk your illogical arguments, you call it confrontation. I proved all guided weapons are not equal, some far better than others because $30,000 guided missiles miss target completely. 93% hit rate for APKWS proved you wrong so I must get banned for proving you wrong because being correct is against Nairaland rules abi?

Last time I got banned you too got banned as quickly. Learn your lesson,
Stop starting fights you cannot finish.

patches689:
No, APKWS is not super secret "most advanced tech of its kind worldwide"

It's a parts kit that uses the exact same principles as JDAM to turn a unguided weapon (70mm rocket) into a guided one.
https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/apkws-laser-guided-rocket[b][/b]

It's not secret either, there are multiple products doing the exact same thing to the 70mm rocket: LOGIR, DAGR, GATR-L, TALON, RPM, FZ275 LGR

I don't know why you need to over-inflate things like this. There is no need. APKWS is an excellent system - you can launch precision strikes with a cost effective weapon. Hydra 70 rockets cost ~2k US, even if the ApKWS parts kit costs another 2K USD that's 4K USD to engage a 15K USD target, the Toyota pickup.

It's an intelligent and thoughtful purchase - nothing more needs to be said.

APKWS is no secret because it uses same principle as other types and is not better– Sermon preached by patches.

Okay USA F-35 stealth jet is no secret and not better than other types because it uses same principles of stealth jets like others.

Read BAE website on APKWS, it has 93% hit rate while South Africandos Mokopa missile missed easy target during demo for NAF, NA and foreign military generals. Yes, NAF APKWS has 93% chance of hitting target, while DENEL Mokopa has 93% chance of missing very easy target in broad day light, so Nigeria buys 400 APKWS and 0 Mokopa. If the APKWS hi-tech is no secret, South Africandos would have used same common knowledge to help DENEL Mokopa find target instead of your $30,000 guided missile travelling north to Sokoto when its target dey for Calabar south side.

ssaengine:
Which classified technology and which guided missiles?

NAF Super Tucanos come with 400 laser guided Advanced Precision Kill Weapon Systems, APKWS, its rockets made into guided missiles by the most advanced tech of its kind worldwide so its classified hi-tech by USA law. No country in Africa has anything like it, makes NAF among global top ten for CT-COIN kill capability, reason its sale to Africa is labelled sensitive. Let NAF use APKWS to blow up 400 of your armoured combat vehicles, then count how many combat vehicles you have left, never mind the 5,000 dead bodies you will bury, then you will know why its classified.

Ibrahimanees:
Premium times must be stupid if they think the military will provide him a shopping list. Premium times always overhyping everything. He said he knows the money will be use for military procurements BUT not the details. That's not his job. If the FEC approves one billion dollars for you now, it's not the job of the AGF to ask you what will you use it for. his job is to give you the money. He maintains the federation account but the doesn't control it. Just like a banker who maintains your money but doesn't control it also. COMMON SENSE.

A banker keeps my money in my account with his bank, not his own money, its mine.

Accountant general of the federation keeps PUBLIC money belonging to 180 million Nigerians, its not military money, and moreover that one billion dollars is not part of the FEC approved statutory defence budget! COMMON SENSE!

FMF Okonjo Iweala also complained bitterly that as finance minister she always asks the military what they want to do with all the billions of dollars they demand more and more like Oliver Twist, but the military robbers wont explain, she asked because FMF and AGF have constitutional rights to demand explanation for expenditure cash before signing payment voucher.

Military generals are law breakers just because our FMF and AGF are personally weak enforcers of law who dont know how to resign rather than be used to defraud public treasury. The AGF can refuse to sign a billion dollars demanded for an unexplained purpose, he can resign if threatened, his sudden resignation will make senate to summon the military for discipline and start impeachment proceedings against the president. Accountant general and auditor general cannot be sacked for asking question about the public money they are empowered to keep safe as custodians of the peoples' funds. There are very strict legal conditions for sacking an AGF, his position is sensitive, his salary is not paid by presidency to guarantee his independence, uncompromised autonomy, freedom from presidential influence, his salary is drawn from a special source by special law.

That is more than just common sense, that is the CONSTITUTIONAL LAW OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA. Our face is slapped by the military against the law, some generals need to be retired immediately over this one billion dollar secret agenda, to serve as warning from now henceforth.

In a country where common sense is missing from leaders to followers. Lagos and Abuja streets should be filled with protesters for this shameless talk, a fool just released one billion dollars without knowing what it will ve spent for and he said it boldly!

On the details of what new $ 1 billion would be utilised for, the accountant general of the federation told PREMIUM TIMES to direct its inquiries to the appropriate government agency responsible for the exercise – the military.

“I am not part of the military. I am not in the theatre of war. I do not know their needs. The military knows where to apply the money. That is why the question should be directed to them,” he said."

Premiumtimes Decenber 16 2017

Repeat of same crime committed by past FG 2014. If this shameless man paid salary from my tax works as accountant general in a big private company, can he sign release of one billion dollars to company engineers without asking what engineering projects the one billion dollars is meant for? Everywhere I waka go na fool I dey meet, I tire o.

Until senate pass law of death sentence for corruption and life jail for being accomplice to corruption, these financial crimes will kill Nigeria. Meanwhile, na fight we fight for petrol station getting petrol for car to go eat jollof and goat meat at Garki do Xmas.

Odunayaw:
Finally I am tagged

Gentleman, you are inventing reality. You are not more patriotic than any one here. It was simple, prove your claim that the T72s were "falling into pieces" you shifted your goalpost and started attacking personalities even stooped so low to equate some here to slaves that be sold. What do you think this place is? A funny farm?

Since you've quietly watched me you'd know I don't indulge in blowing things out of proportion which you currently are an emeritus at.

So I will say this from all of us "unpatriotic elements" STOP MAKING UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS

thanks

It pains you to bone marrow, I told you what you need to remember, you have no job, no career, no achievement, and Nairaland is your daily cocaine sniff for happiness. You asked me to keep quiet for your friends to ride me like donkey on the photo thread, I shoved that back into your face and you saw you acted senseless.

You want me to sacrifice my own human rights of freedom of speech to maintain the ever elusive peace on Nairaland military threads because you are not smart enough to know that 20 men in one room have 20 different characters and will always fight in that room, but you want to force me to mellow down for other to trample on so you can enjoy a quiet Nairaland since your daily mood swings like pendulum with the mood on internet, your happiness goes on and off like NEPA-PHCN depending on how Nairaland arguments sway sweet or bitter.

I have put you where you belong, and I crushed the skull of your self-imposed mafia rulers who want to control other people's freedom on the web. Patriotism is missing with many Nigerians like Dasuki, Badeh, Amosu and most of you here on Nairaland military forums, born into this unlucky country. You will gladly sacrifice Nigeria for personal gain of ego or cash. I know a patriot when I see one. You are not that kind of breed, thinking you are does not make you one.

Yes I posted many falling to pieces photos of Nigerian T-72 tanks with many dozens of broken and lost ERA armour many times here, the army 'captain inside T-72' who first asked for my evidence has melted away when he saw these photos, only ego will not let him admit I proved him wrong, but human conscience told him I am too right to be wrong and he stopped challenging my T-72 claims.

99% of you here on Nairaland have an epidemic disease of dishonesty and insincerity, you never admit you are proved wrong in the face of facts and clear evidence, you still keep denying truths till the person telling the truth calls you the name you deserve to be called.

Any Nigerian seeing these photos and still denying Nigerian T-72 tanks are falling to pieces is a traitor not a patriot. I posted the ERA pics when we purchased and the ERA now gone leaving large visible empty spaces that Boko Haram RPG will enter and cook up T-72 ammunition storage to roast innocent soldiers to ashes, and for this you all lie to yourselves that I have destroyed this thread. Only God knows how many millions of demonic people we have among 180 million Nigerians.

Please go find a full time job with good monthly salary and stop wasting your productive youthful years on internet, Nairaland wont pay you any salary, and your mood will never be stable as you seek happiness among all kinds of men who prowl here with cult demons controlling them. Truth is bitter, go find a career job sir.

patches689:
1. "Film footage of French Airforce mirages flying in Africa is not film footage of French Airforce mirages flying in Africa" -Augubug 2017

2. "I broke no rules" - Augubug discusses, in a thread who's title literally emphasises no discussions.

I'm off to get hold of a mod. This madness must stop.

Everybody else discusses on this thread, especially you and your mafia. There will be no special rights for you cult guys on this thread, so me too, I will discuss freely, or else Nairaland owners should lock up this thread finally and everybody says goodbye to posting forever. Period!

Keep yelling and raising your BP, nobody cares if you drop dead with heart attack.

patches689:
1. You don't have freedom of speech on nairaland.
2. Your posts are off topic read the thread title.
3. Video was of French jets IN AFRICA.

If you want a discussion go to ---->
https://www.nairaland.com/2239266/battle-field-discussion-picture-video/386#63403773

Please obey forum rules.

Liar, you posted video trailer from Les Chevaliers du ciel a 2005 Hollywood kind of French movie.

Your Mirage jet video is from a fvcking commercial cinema theatre entertainment film show of a fictional imaginary story that has nothing to do with any real life French military operation in Africa , and so it is a derailment on an African real life military thread, go create a box office fictional entertainment thread for your derailing YouTube childish fantasies.

The rest of your comment is equally garbage material for the dustbin. I broke no rules, so keep whining pinning like a rat caught in a mouse trap slowly bleeding to death.

jln115:
I never said anybody wasn't allowed to debate... I said you shouldn't argue(lose your sh1t) ....the fact is I can't remember anybody ever saying Nigeria should buy more second hand T72s with your so called 1bil war fund, most only said you should rather be spending money on other assets, and then instead of replaying in with a proper counter point, you simply lost your sh1t calling people's names, then something about the black man this and that, saying people are backwards etc etc.........

Wrong! You missed the whole T-72 vs T-90 drama, go to the Bidexii thread and see what really happened. They called me liar despite seeing clear photos I posted showing NA T-72s that lost dozens of ERA armour and crumbling steel armour. Yes I will call a man backward black African for saying an oil rich Nigeria is OK with 1977 technology T-72 in 2017 when intelligent Arab Algerians turned their backs on T-72 and ordered 500 T-90, the Arabs are progressing forward, while blacks are happy to move backwards, I was very correct, that is real black man's backwardness on display, I dont call a fool a genius lest I too become a fool. If you dont want to be called a fool, stop talking like a fool. Simple bro

Covert1:
You know sir, I'm very proud of you. I find this an excellent piece. What's really wrong with us the Nigerian people, we seriously should be asking questions. This piece should make the front page of Vanguard Newspapers or Punch.

Pls don't mind the crowd, they won't celebrate this but mediocrity. It's the way if the world. Intelligence intimidates them so they resort to character assassination. Their level of posting here should tell u. I since made my decision, 2017 is drawing to a close. Cheers man!

Thanks a lot sir.

patches689:
Dude.

Stop this sh1t

Writing letters to people who will never read them, and who give literally zero fvcks about your opinion is beyond de-railing

THIS ISNT YOUR FVCKING BLOG

You misfired mister, you played ball over the bar!

I posted Nigerian army video, photos of Nigerian police, ex-national security adviser, Nigerian troops with Tavor rifle, it is perfectly OK for an African military photos thread. The style I use to write comments for my military photos is my own freedom of choice and nobody can dictate to me how to write sentences.

Go back to your own derailing irrelevant non-African video of French air force mirage jets on page 1553 and other 1,000+ derailing American, European long stories, entertainment videos of all kinds that you always post as you like on this forum.

My comment on the $1 billion stays firm on this thread, any attempt to flush it out will be total war here. You will cry tears like river Zambezi until your tear glands overheat, and nothing will happen to that my comment, it will tanda gidigba facing your ugly face!

We shall all live by the same rules on this forum, everybody is equal, you have no special rights to post while I cannot, so respect my freedom of speech, or just shut your saliva drooling mouth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMJVHu6G4yw

Major General Enenche, respectfully to you sir, you brought ordinary Israeli Tavor rifle to news room and said you will not tell us Nigerian taxpayers the name of the gun you purchased with our own tax and oil money, that gun is public property yet you deny the public the simple information of the name, why? Its not right sir.

Dont underestimate us sir, not all Nigerians are ignorant, its an Israeli Tavor rifle beside your AK-47 in that TV interview, we know weapons' details up to F-35 stealth jet and Kilo class submarine, so your rifle is nothing special sir. We can lecture you on weapons if you permit us and we will shock you as civilians.

Maj. Gen. Enenche, you, your army chief of staff, and our government that employed you are still repeating the exact same mistake of ex-president Joanthan and NSA Colonel Dasuki on the 2014 special arms fund $1 billion, same way Dasuki and his PDP never gave us list of what they wanted to do with that $1 billion, same way you too refused to tell us what Buhari wants you all to do with this $1 billion 2017 special arms fund.

It is your duty of accountability as public officers to publish full list of what this $1 billion is for, that your Tavor rifle you call sophisticated is only like $2,000 in the market, its no secret sir, google has international market price list of weapons. Only like 30,000 troops are fighting Boko Haram on each tour of duty in North East, Nigeria imported like 15,000 Beryl rifles as good as that Tavor rifle, plus the thousands of Tavors we already have, and another 1,200 Tavor rifles Dasuki said he bought. So rifle is not a big need, you have enough good rifles for anti-terrorism war.

Give us full details of each item and each price that totals your $1 billion cost. Another 10,000 units more of Tavor rifles in 2018 is only $20 million if you want to waste more money on rifles, so what of the remaining $980 million or is $980 million for the bullets and green dot sights? General sir, we youths are educated and not ignorant. What Super Tucano? Nigeria has like $600 million loot in USA that Trump promised to release, so use that to pay for Tucano aircraft.

In South Africa, Botswana, Rwanda of black people like us, their governments publish full details of weapons procurement funds, they dont show people cheap rifle to justify $1 billion cash spending! Dont tell us its a secret because you are importing these weapons and the UN law forces you to declare details to UN arms register and SIPRI org also publishes all your key imports on internet, so why are you hiding from Nigerians who own the money, the very information that foreign manufacturer nations overseas show their own people? Is that fair? Is that wise? Is that justice? Is that patriotism? Sir, I ask you, is that honesty, integrity, accountability in a democracy?

If Nigerian journalists are not given press conference publication of naira by naira, dollar by dollar, euro by euro, item by item, material by material list of this $1 billion spending by January 2018 or at least before the cash is released, we Nigerian youths and patriots will conclude APC political party wants to repeat PDP looting crime of 2014 and use most of this war money for 2019 election campaigns.

I declare to you that Nigerian youths, Transparency International, and powerful NGOs will launch massive public enlightenment campaigns in all 36 states to make sure Buhari is either impeached 2018 for repeating same crime he accused Jonathan of, or we spoil all APC chances in all 36 states and cause APC to lose 2019 elections.

Sir, I respect you, all our gallant servicemen and Mr. President, but we will not tolerate a repeat of same looting trick used on us in 2014, never again sir. Let Buhari live up to his claim of anti-corruption transparency if he does not want to be a hypocrite.

Please call journalists urgently to an Abuja press conference and let DHQ address us, let newspapers publish full list of names of items with prices that add up to your $1 billion by January 2018 or else tell Buhari to forget second term and APC forget 2019 election, the youths of Nigeria will start a peaceful revolution to bring down this government, and get all service chiefs retired prematurely, on the grounds of financial impropriety and failure in accountability concerning this special $1 billion 2017 approved arms procurement fund.

President Buhari cannot lock up ex-NSA Dasuki in prison for years and be committing same crime for which he locked up another man. Publish full details of all items and all prices on your $1 billion war spending list, and it must total one billion dollars.

Thank you sir. Long live the federal republic of Nigeria, amen.

jln115:
You don't always have to argue with everybody just because they have a different opinion than you!!

Its actually the other way round, SupremeCourt posts one comment and a dozen people swarm like bees replying me. I posted T-90 tank to speak my personal opinion, then a crowd of people replied me without me inviting them. Bros, they cant just live happy without talking to SupremeCourt, my comments have the magical opium that makes their brain ooze out surplus enzymes, they just cant look away, they just cant

barineh:
True Especially that Buratai. Devoid of new ideas and was head of military acquisitions during Oga Jona's time Id trust him. The air Chief seems very smart but he holds too many ceremonies ��. The Naval chief is very very very silent.

Buratai is a very competent infantry general and Boko Haram fears his battlefield effectiveness, but has poor ideas for a modern day army of high tech equipment that makes war fighting easier and totally confuses an enemy into defeat. He does not have much left to offer than finishing off Boko Haram remnants, but if Boko Ram Goat Shekau raises his game a little tech up with anti-tank missiles smuggled in bags of beans and Fulani herdsmen cows from escapee Arabian ISIS via Sudan Chad deserts, Buratai army is finished, all those IFV and MRAP he wants to buy now will be roasted like suya with all his second hand T-72 that have lost many of their ERA armour and breaking to pieces.

NAF chief has just started, he is a man with modernization in his brain 24/7, he wants to add to our jf-17, some new yak-130, mig-29 or mig-35. His problem is lack of funds to buy the best aircraft for NAF to dominate air, land, sea.

Navy chief I dont know anything about, too secretive, but he has scared Delta militants many times to secure oil export and save the economy. He boldly declared he wants frigates and submarines but no money from government. I think he has not been given a chance to do more than stopping oil thieves and Niger Delta militants. I will not judge him.

Algerian1:
yes you like to talk alone when poeple dont want talk with you , you need love ? , some attention ? so continue to argue with yourself with different accounts ! its funny to read this schizophrenia for me i m done with you .

You are sick mister. Last month you promised never to reply my comments again, but today you swallowed your own shiit and told me I have no right to quote you, then I called you socialist half communist, you reply me again and say you are done with me, so how many times in your Berber Arab tribe do you people say goodbye and never again to the same person in same hour? You just cannot leave my comments alone, you and the Nigerian mugus who taught you how to block other people's freedom of speech on internet cannot leave SupremeCourt alone?

Now crawl back to your Sahara desert hole and love the Algerian terrorists there, I dont need love and attention from a sick man, I am not a jobless Nairaland addict like Odunayaw & Co

Odunayaw:
Greatest discovery of the day bro

How can someone be so incoherent

I have always watched you and stay quiet respectfully, but today I give it to you. Both you and your Nairaland mafia of liars are a shameless bunch that tried to shut my mouth and control what I post on Nairaland, you can hate me all you want because I warned you Odunayaw to stop picking on me asking me to keep silent while your friends insult me every time they want, I am not your slave to be controlled by you. You see clearly your mafia guys are telling lies but you defend them repeating false statements about your country's army. People like you will never be allowed by God to hold any position of power in government at any level in your life, you will sell the remaining 180 million Nigerians to satisfy the ego of your foolish cult. Shame on you, useless Nigerian.

Algerian1:
dont quote me please ,as i told you last time, i pass on your funny troll post and will not quote you or try to argue ! so you are free to continue your romance childish posts but dont quote me in your post . have no time for this , thanks

Sir, maybe in your Algeria socialist half soviet communist republic there is no law of human freedom of speech. This is my Nigeria and we respect fundamental human rights. You have no legal power to command me not to quote anything I see on free public internet, if you dont want people to quote you, then dont write, dont talk, act like you are deaf and dumb.

andrewza:
And buying the T90 still gets you the second best T72. Russian marketing at its best. People still think the T90 is a new tank. When it is the off spring of the T72 and T80

The Algerian1 guy here proved you very wrong with his T-90 official facts, but you still repeat your nonsense yarn like a robot. Read up T-90MS details on Janes defence, and tell us why you never advise South Africa to buy T-72 for your own country's defence.

Algerian1:
to much emotions , it looks like I m in the wrong thread , is it romance section here ?

and again ....

True as you say bro, when I saw the hot emotion you spew back in the face of South African trolls that rubbished your sweetheart T-90 tanks, I realized you Algerian people can teach others how to get angry in defence of national honour. Thanks for the example sir.

Ibrahimanees:
I see am my brother

An early Christmas gift for all Nigerian military enthusiasts.
Just hope they will not add more T72 tanks or something stupid.

Hypocrite you now turn your back on your opinion on the other military photo thread because SupremeCourt also rejects T-72, you kept quiet here while your God-forsaken mafia friends start asking for more T-72 just to prove I am wrong. You will rather watch you fatherland misled than to stand up for the benefit of Nigeria. Shame on you, may God never allow any of you deceivers to enter any government position of power in Nigeria, you will sell your country just to boost your ego, traitor, people like you and your Nairaland mafia are the spiritual sons of Dasuki ATM.

Kekekekekeke Okokobioko !!!

SupremeCourt you wicked o, you turned these liars against themselves. I said before, you are all liars here except few sincere honest guys, the rest of you are self deceiving liars who turn blind eye to truth and say false things to boost your private ego.

The first person that shouted Nigeria must never buy T-72 again is Ibrahimanees and he is one of those now attacking me for demanding T-90. The moment he saw me come online ask for T-90 he stopped talking against T-72, he now says we dont give a fvck what tank Nigeria buys. Shameless liars you guys are, you are all what I said, hypocrites.

Ibrahimanees:
An early Christmas gift for all Nigerian military enthusiasts.
Just hope they will not add more T72 tanks or something stupid.

Patches now defending T-72 for Nigeria, go back pages to see same Patches repeated many times that T-72 a very bad tank and insulted Nigerian T-72, but now SupremeCourt calls for T-90, Patches began defending T-72 that he condemned before. Hypocrite!

Jealous of Naija $1 billion new arms cash, South Africans quickly team up to join foolish Nigerians to praise T-72 asking Nigeria to buy more second hand tank that cooks up its occupants to ashes. South Africans pray for new Leopard tanks for SANDF, but pray second hand T-72 for Nigeria 2018, and all Nigerian fools said amen. Traitors, you should all be jailed, you prefer Nigeria to be destroyed just to say SupremeCourt is wrong, your ego is bigger than your fatherland, you are a fool.

Andrewza attacked T-90 calling it T-72. I said Algerian army generals will be fools for buying 500 T-90 when they have T-72. The Algerian1 guy here launched full force long story, plenty photo, data evidence attack back at Andrewza for reducing his T-90 to T-72 low class.

Ah! SupremeCourt you wicked o, you turn mafia against mafia and mugu against maga! When I tell you truths you say I am wrong, now you see how you are fighting yourselves for telling lies to each other now?

Fools all of you, except a few sincere guys here who make honest human mistake and misled by the evil gang to reject T-90 for Nigeria, I know you the patriotic ones here, the other guys are hypocrites that can kill Nigeria to boost their personal ego. Traitors, you should all be in jail with Dasuki ATM for reducing Nigerian military from bulldog to pussy cat.

andrewza:
The t90 is not the most advanced t72 varriet any more. The most advanced version is the T72B3

I the T90 is just a T72 in fact it was first called the T72 but but the name changed to make it seem more modern.

All so the T90 defence is less for RPG and more for ATGMs and tanks. It fitted with a laser warning receiver that when triggered turn the turret to the threat, activates a IR jammer that through of older Gen ATGMs (that is actually being removed from the upgraded T90s) and fires smoke. The aim is warn the crew, face the srtrongest armor to the threat, blind the threat and the gun is aimed there to so you can kill the threat. For RPG the T72 all use ERA.

One more thing T72 don't have a loader the crew is commander, gunner and driver.

All T-72 models including your best T-72B3 model keep heavy loads of high explosive ammunition in same storage area with operating soldiers, so it cooks their flesh to ashes once a T-72 is hit in that space.

T-72 has no anti-missile self-defence, no passive mixed armour, no 8km range camera, no 5 km range gun sight like T-90.

25 new T-90 for Nigeria is only 10% of this new $1 billion war fund, so military planners still have 90% to use for many things.

Will you allow your country South Africa to spend $2 billion on special war fund 2014, then $1 billion more special war fund 2017, add the $3 billion normal budget for weapons procurement 2014-2018, then your ANC government buys 50 second hand T-72 then replaces them with another 50 second hand T-72 upgraded by South African DENEL from a huge $6 billion wartime arms fund, will you come here and praise South African government for buying T-72 same way you recommend more T-72 for Nigeria 2018?

Open Oxford dictionary and look up the meaning of hypocrite.

Its on record, Nigeria began to win back the 70 towns we captured by Boko Haram only when T-72 arrived, so night fighter and ERA armour tanks saved us from defeat, good coaches dont change a winning team.

Why did Algerian army generals fighting terrorists with 300 T-72 including South African upgraded T-72 suddenly order 500 T-90 in 2006? Why did Syrian army generals that have T-72 fighting terrorists ask Russia to send T-90 tanks in 2015? Why did Iraqi army generals that have like 100 T-72 tanks order 300 T-90 tanks in 2017?

You people believe all those army generals that have decades of war experience with terrorists are fools? I want you to lie to yourself in attempt to prove me wrong. Now start telling lies like it will make you rich overnight, on your marks, set, go!

iblawi:
Keep fooling yourself.

If you know some came without ERA and still haven't blown up for over 3 years in active combat then why do you want to kill yourself?

You are the fool that wants to wait for Boko Haram to step up their game and get ISIS anti-tanks to blow up a dozen Nigerian T-72 so that other people's sons will die at age 30 yrs leaving wives and babies behind, then you will call for Nigeria to do the usual medicine after death fire brigade system to buy us T-90.

You no get any proactive and predictive intelligence at all, so in Libya market the final auction bell rings over your empty head and no buyer, you are donated to farm owners as free labourer.

iblawi:
Do I need to post more?

You are worthless as a slave in South Sudan.

I said T-72 is a bad tank when its ammunition storage is hit by anti-tank, it blows itself up, and that is truth proved by the war videos.

I did not say it is useless in COIN against Boko Haram that has no anti-tank as at today. Quote me saying T-72 is useless in COIN or else Libyans will donate you for free to farm work at no dollar value, they wont pay for junk.