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patches689:
Why lie?

What purpose does it serve?

Have some self-respect

Look here dude, am not in your group of boxers throwing punches here, when Nigerians came up with 12 su30 Russian aeroplanes purchase I did not spare them, I insisted it was wrong it as if I am enemy of NAF buying su30 jet planes, you did not call me a liar that time. Dont loop me in your endless loop, because you as a person, you personally love to tell lies, that does not make everybody else a liar like you. South African military big Generals came to Abuja ship house to trick DHQ to reveal all millennium anti-terror war secrets of defeating Boko Haram to them via mutual training exchange program, but NDHQ denied. Simple as ABC.

I hate to trade words but we should not bury our heads in sand like ostriches just because dem say make we no talk true. In the whole of Africa only Algeria and Nigeria have 2000 millenium large scale war experience and assorted light equipment and air flight mapping planes specially tailored for anti-terrorism. Libya is also getting good experience slowly, achieving much with little equipment. It was 2015 Abuja, big class military generals from South Africa invited themselves to Ship House, big cars drove in entourage with mission to request joint military training and exchange programme with Nigeria to tap the new millenium age rich experience from NA, NAF, NN, MOPOL, DSS on secrets of how they defeated Boko Haram despite arms embargo from USA, EU, NATO.

Unfortunately the Nigerian DHQ knew the mission and stylishly nicely respectfully denied the South Africans, they refused to share new millenium war knowledge and instead said we can both train freshmen entery level in exchange program, they barred any war experienced Nigerian from the South African exchange programme. I asked the junior officers why their bosses played that game on a fellow AU member, they said South African military wants to reap where they did not sow, but whatever that means, I probed no further, to me it was too harsh a manner to hide secrets from an AU member, terrorists are everybody's enemy. Why refuse to share Boko Haram secrets with an AU member? I dont get it, or is it about money, did the South Africans ask for freebies?

patches689:
Reminder:

September 2015 Nigeria settles for the Mi-35M, [b]placing an order for 12
February 2016 Nigerians attend a Rooivalk demonstration in RSA,

- 2015, Nigeria decides to settle and buy the Mi-35M
- 2016, Nigerians are present in RSA for a Rooivalk demo, Rooivalk not actually being sold.

Can you please stop messing up this thread? Nigeria did not confirm mi-35m order until Ship House got reports from Nigerian military procurement team that inspected Roovalik flying in South Africa, it was reported that the equipment on the Roovalik were 10 to 20 year old backward technology, then Roovalik missile was fired and totally missed target as reported, that means it can kill innocent civilians by missing target, so NAF refused to pay $30 million for such bad things when 2017 latest technology equal to Russian air force was available on mi-35m hinde and the missiles are accurate when tested.

South African Roovalik company was desperate to grab the $360 million deal from NAF. It was very early 2016 the Roovalik was rejected and very late 2016 mi-35m order was signed for 12 helicopters, first 2 were paid for as allowed by 2016-17 budget. The man who made NAFs final decision based on sophistication of technology and effectiveness of guiding missiles was Air Marshal Abubakar a world class qualified war helicopter fighting pilot, the same man wearing dark glasses in pilots uniform below, not ignorant people like you dying of jealousy. Please let this matter rest.

ActivateKruger:
Oh please, a MiG29? and 23 are in service. That wouldn't even see the low radar signature Gripen coming.
That can scare the NAF maybe, we have something more modern with better avionics and built-in EW suits.

What I hear from those in the know, is that in the entire black Africa only Chad and Sudan have longer range air missile in their jets to shoot down any other air force and am sure that includes South Africa as a losing victim. There is a reason NAF chief of staff ordered jf-17 with longer range missiles which increased the budget amount. As lay man as I am, my common sense tells me a NAF jf-17 will wipe out a South African Gripen plane from a superior long distance. You South people should stop making foolish comments here and stick to photos.

kikuyu1:
The Mi 24 was born in the early Seventie's.

However,it suffered obvious manoevrability issue.

http://www.centennialofflight.net/essay/Rotary/Hind/HE18.htm

You refer to 1980 story of 1970 mi24 hind old models that have been scrapped in Russia. Hind helicopter has improved for 40 years as technology changes. NAF flies current models 2017 mi-35 hinde not mi-24 old things. You can say 1970s Mercedes car is same tech and capacity as 2017 Mercedes car, then I will say common sense is not common. I think some people will have jealousy virus eating their brain cells just because NAF now has same new war helicopters as super power Russia

ActivateKruger:
When you meet who face-to-face? You think this is the 19th century spear wars?

In a military clash against South Africa you would be flattened by Gripens, Hawks and Rooivalks before the mechanized and motorised rolls over whatever is left of you.

This is the 21st century, get on with the times.

If there is no more face to face in 21st century war, why do your soldiers carry rifles in South African army? You shoot rifle at enemy you dont see with your eyes?

Nigerian air force can use guiding missiles from air drones, war helicopters, and jf-17 thunder jets from many miles away where the enemy cannot see NAF aeroplanes. Those jf-17 are coming with invisible distance guiding missiles that do not exist in any black African country, whatever flies in South Africa will fall under gravity and you wont even see the jf-17 far off shooting. The budget 2017, draft 2018 covers all that with proposal for 2019-2020 AESAA radar being tested, it is said that it blinds its opponents.

Air Marshal Abubakar insists anything NAF buys now will be complete package of sophistication available in the country of origin. We paid for 3 jets on 2016-17 budgets, our demand for state-of-the art technology that are now being tested is causing slow down to delivery. The 2020 medium term plan document dictates NAF must have superior air power above any country in Africa except the Mediterranean nations. No nation in the black world will be able to survive against NAF 2020.

Ego wont save you when we meet face 2 face !

ActivateKruger:
So Nigeria got the Hind because :

- America don't want you close to their technology, even if it's decades old hand-me-downs from Jordan.

- You're too poor to afford sophisticated Russian attack helicopters like the Havoc and the Black Shark.

So you turned to the fat ugly rejection called the Hind not even the UN wants any more.

I'm laughing in Yoruba this time.

Before this choice was made, ship house Abuja directed Nigerian military officers to inspect those South African Roovalik helicopters and it was reported back as inferior technology to the latest Russian alternative mi-35m. Why the anger, it is Nigeria's money, we spent the $360 million on the best, must we buy inferior Roovalk for $360 million?

FCT Ministry of defense on behalf of NAF is spending something around $30 million on each one of mi-35m hinde helicopters, package includes all the latest advanced Russian stuff like guiding missiles, day night television to find even a tiny human being many miles away, any standard army will be bursted with guiding missiles. Stop your meaningless argument, UN cannot afford even one, talk less of a dozen NAF mi-35m that are as sophisticated as anything Russian air force uses today in 2017. Those are terms of the contract minister Dan Ali signed in Russia as demanded by CAS Air Marshal Abubakar who insisted on equal standard with Russian air force war helicopters. No Black African country has 2017 stuff from a super power loaded on any war helicopter, only Nigeria, I repeat, 2017 level of technology. Stop choking with envy, go back to posting photos.

New millennium experienced air force, plan make we go kill some bad people dem

Naija needs you to hate us more, we plenty o ! No be photoshop, dis na for real, we go swarm and sting you like a million bees. Naija forces fire on heavily armed enemies not bush meat in zoology gardens

patches689:
Also, if only experience counts... Then Nigerian troops are equally inexperienced as the SANDF as Nigerian troops have never conducted high-intensity operations... And unlike the SANDF, you dont train for them.

Not worth arguing with citizens of a country boasting of their '25 year laid off military duty' Rhino hunter armed forces. Please focus on posting photos on this thread, many thanks.

fabselad:
Hi Guys,
When I entered this thread I thought I had found a MATURE AND SERIOUS FORUM OF DISCUSSION but sincerely am feed-up and am sure many other members share my opinion as me about the DUEL BTW NIGERIA AND SOUTH AFRICA.Sincerely its becoming stupid and childish at the same time. You guys think your the only country in Africa or what. Have you seen the Egyptians, Moroccans or the Algerians comparing among themselves but they move forward silently(We all know their military are far more efficient than any African nation).Nigerians you guys keep comparing and bragging your African giants but yet you thousands of refugees in neighboring countries whom your government has forgotten about and the south africans we know the issues your country has.
This battle is becoming childish and baseless at the long run because no matter how you calculate the equation the SOUTH AFRICAN HAS A BETTER AND WELL EQUIPPED AND MANAGED MILITARY THAN THE NIGERIANS, A WELL FUNDED DEFENSE INDUSTRY AND EXPERTISE WHICH NIGERIA DOES NOT POSSESS YET.EACH MILITARY HAS IT's WEAKNESSES AND ADVANTAGES.
IF YOU GUYS NEED TO AIR YOUR EGO PLEASE CREATE ANOTHER THREAD AND GO DEBATE THERE. THE PROPOSE OF THIS THREAD IS CLEARLY STATED IN IT'S African Militaries / Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread NOT DUEL BTW NIGERIAN MILITARY AND SOUTH AFRICAN MILITARY.
At the long run this senseless debate would kill this THREAD.

I am not interested in trade of words between you guys, but its bound to happen with a dozen men posting war photos, they will also be at war with themselves once in a while and later adjust their hot heads back to cool mode. That is the issue of Nigerians vs South Africans, they will argue but settle after. Your comment is beyond my ability to reply, I am eager to see why you rate Nigerian military as ordinary average on continental level despite the photos we see here showing Nigeria is the most experienced African country in 21st century war.
Curious to know if your opinion about South African armed forces versus Nigerian side is realistic, I pushed your comment to some military officers here in the FCT, anti-corruption cases are in court probing their spending from past governments, it is easy to ask some nice military boys private questions when its relaxing time.

Much as I have hammered into the Nigerians heads about slow payment and slow delivery of equipment, I have asked those who know better and I have further information:

(A) Only Nigeria has ability to attack an enemy with guiding missile air drones in Africa.
(B) All remaining 10 mi35m will be delivered to NAF, completed by late months of 2018, draft budget provision covers it. Only Nigeria has guiding missile equipped helicopters in Africa excluding Mediterranean Arabs. They are purchased to destroy Boko Haram anti aircraft jeeps and any standard army that threatens Nigeria's territorial integrity.
(C) The jf17 is testing AESAA radar in country of origin and offered to NAF, it is planned that some NAF delivery 2018-2020 will beat any air opponent in Africa excluding again Mediterranean Arabs. Budget covers it.
(D) Nigerian navy lacks real warship but budget is drafted for one huge supply replenishment ship of Asian origin between 7,000 - 10,000 tonne with some real warship equipment. It will replenish all ships in maritime security deep off shore.
(E) It is decided to equip NAF jf17 to counter surface any enemy warship in Nigerian deep off shore from long distance away. Budget for guide weapons is already fully provided and will be delivered 2017-2018.
(F) Over 30 new aeroplanes: 5 ch drones, 12 mi35, 12 superb tuscano, 3 jf17 are ordered fully equipped to deal with any level of external aggression against Nigerian armed forces from any African country. That is how it is written in the documents submitted to justify military spending on budgets 2016, 2017, draft 2018.

Looking at the above and also looking at the current insurgency war experience that tested the Nigerian military more than any other African country, exposing weaknesses that have been fully corrected in a few years, I will say your opinion is wrong concerning Nigerian armed forces versus any opponent in Africa, excluding the Mediterranean Arabs as the officers say. No sensible country will over-estimate itself against a currently battle tested country. Almost every Nigerian soldier has tasted real war today, but almost every South African soldier has not seen war since he was born. Shooting practice at home is a thousand times easier than real shooting war.

iblawi:
Bros which budget showed Nigeria was buying 12 mi35m helicopters? The budget only showed 3 but we are getting 12. Same with Tucanos and Jf17 thunder.

No reasonable person would buy 3 fighter jet for the military.

Chairman, no one is assuming the news is true. Instead we are trying to dig info about it.

Gentleman, download PDF file of budget office Nigeria 2016 Appropriation Act it shows clearly in capital letters as budget item code # NAF1501014922 PROCUREMENT OF 2 X MI-35M HELICOPTER.

That is why you got only 2 not 12. When you pay for remaining 10 you get it. You get what you pay for.

You all are busy getting excited by journalists news so you dig info about one billion dollar jets, but I am busy in Abuja digging info about what purchases have money budget attached to it. No free lunch, you should have known its fake news, one billion dollar su-30 planes with no kobo budget provision and 2 planes already delivered for free, na wah o!

Many good army equipment you guys are not interested in are budgeted for and delivered and more coming, they are said to be Buratai choice of small items of great use in killing boko haram men. You guys always focus on aeroplanes mostly and big things

Misters, you people know Nigerians dont think that money is used to buy things. How did NAF buy su-30 planes with no budget provision 2015, 2016, 2017? When you tell people bitter truth they dont believe, but tell them lies that is sweet banana they believe it.

I dont know military things but I know in Abuja there is no such foolish budget item of one billion dollars for 18 su-30 aeroplanes from Russia. Even chicken change money of 3 jf-17 of Pakistan in budget you have not even fully paid because of economic recession. Common sense will tell a man it's error, maybe su-30 intends some other planes or Nigeria some other country all typed in error or just Russian marketing tactics to win new buyers.

Xway:
First tym am cool wit ur post.

Here in enugu i love ijaw pple a lot.
I learnt swimming from my ijaw friend.
I don't knw were there hatred enumerated from.

The hatred started when you Igbo land thieves begin to call Ijaw land Biafra. You passed your boundry and got a bloody nose from the sons of the soil. Its first warning to stop claiming other peoples land as Igbo purchased item. Learn to be humble in Nigeria. Igbo arrogance is hated everywhere

myright:
For the doubting thomases

419 IPOB scam. They said 10 Hilux trucks loaded with soldiers, but your yahoo yahoo photo shows only 2 soldiers, same faces repeated in 4 different photos.

How come the soldiers and Igbo ashewo women are not in the same photos?

Why did we not see any attack? You think 200 million Nigerians are imbeciles?

Please let IPOB send Biafrans for better 419 training with Facebook yahoo boys

Biafra agitators are 419 scammers, 10 Hilux truck loads of soldiers is a 2 man army. Igbo shame on you all, illiteracy is your leprosy

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Agumbankembu:
When soldiers dey brutalize person, tell me they allow you record them, in order to gain YouTube hits.
Rubbish talk, as if you don't know how army smashes people's phones, if they feel you are recording their atrocities.

Fool ! Show us photo of broken pieces of IPOB womens phones army smashed.

Onitsha people freely filmed soldiers dragging that cripple man on the streets. videos and photos were posted for all Nigerians on facebook, army arrested the soldiers, jailed them, cut their salary, sent senior army officers to beg the cripple and take him to best doctors in town, amd gave him some money as apology.

IPOB has lost credibility with this lie, how will Nigerians support Biafra if you use prostitutes to make fake news on internert? This shows the 419 spirit of many Igbo people that spoil the few honest good people of Igbo land.

Shame on IPOB and Nnamdi Kanu 419 scammers

ikorodureporta:
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/chibok_girls

If its your own sister or daughter inside Boko Haram captivity getting raped every night, wont you pay dollars to free your own family? Wicked hypocrite of PDP campaign centre. Goodluck Jonathan and Mummy Patience left those girls to die in Sambisa forest, no rescue because they are children of poor hungry Chibok families not senators' or governors' children

Mcowubaba:
Firstly the riot was in 1929
Secondly, Where u born by then?

The Aba women riot was targeted against Warrant chiefs, for marginalizing women in Government.

It was not targeted at any Amala or Zoo people as you call it..

Lastly, I'm Igbo, full bloodied.

You are trully an Igbo Fool blooded

AmadiAba:
HAPPENING NOW!!! Biafra Women's Conference Continues After Encounter with Nig Army (Photos)

After the bitter encounter with Nigerian Army, the Biafra women's conference has continued in Abiriba

http://igberetvnews.com/410437

As a court officer, I hereby ask, show us photo of the ghost soldiers that molested the brave IPOB prostitute Igbo illiterate hired by Nnamdi Kanu for Biafra fake news.

Thank you sir

Ministry of External Affairs overseas postings, Nigerian embassy staff abroad are paid in dollars, their children attend foreign schools, their family get medical facilities in foreign countries. You will never get the posting unless you have powerful connections in this Nigeria.

Those of us in Ministry of Justice envy them.

ZombiePUNISHER:
All this propaganda don tire me jare

If Shekau makes his own terrorist video you wont call it propaganda. We now have a bunch of Nigerians ready to believe Boko Haram all the time but doubt Nigeriam army all the time. Fools like you.

Boko Haram base is now likely changed to Cameroon. Maybe its why NIA, NAF and DSS cannot find Chibok girls or trace the Boko Haram back to base. Read army aonymous news report of that prisoners exchange of few days ago.
★★★ ★
"Our girls entered Red Cross air-conditioned vehicles, we were ordered to withdraw off towards Banki, providing cover for our girls. The sect men turned around, zoom off, towards Cameroun." ★★★★
Some first phase release Chibok girls now in school in the USA living better life than ever imagined. Never give up in life. Nigeria thanks gallant troops who died fighting months ago to capture the sect leaders we used for exchange.

TwoBottles:
Every brave man deserves a place in memory. Stand for something you believe in and make a difference.

I love this man's courage.

Actually stupidity and lunacy like Ojukwu that wasted 3 million Igbo lives with Biafra for 1967-70

A mad man lunatic does not use courage to jump from Third Mainland bridge to drown in Lagoon water, he did it because his lunatic head is telling him the water below is a swimming pool in Sheraton Hotel Abuja.

Epositive:
this man is a genius, i respect him

I'm not a biafran tho

Do you know the meaning of the word genius? You have a dictionary at home? Please pray for your children to become Nnamdi Kanu type of genius in your lifetime sir.

giles14:
218 girls dat don't hear or understand English wants to write waec exams but were kidnapped by BHT.
naija continue

Most important question all Nigerians fail to ask is; Where is Boko Haram hiding hundreds of Chibok girls after army cleared Sambisa, air force surveyed every kilometer of North East? How can the whole federal intelligence and military machinery not know where so many girls are being hidden and now being released bit by bit? Those Boko Harams who brought these 82 girls out on agreed time, agreed date, to agreed location, where did they emerge from and disappear to like ghosts riders? Are the NAF, NIA, and DSS so blind?

ssaengine:
Where does this leave Nigeria with regards to "not negotiate with terrorists" policy most countries have?

Most countries do secret negotiations to free their citizens from terrorists not much known to the public, but if a case is too widely publicized by media, same European or American government will say no negotiations. However if it is Trump's daughter or Queen of England's son, they will not only negotiate, they will also pay big cash ransom. There are two laws in this world, one for the rich, another for the poor.

Nkem4040:
Breaking News: Nnamdi Kanu's Wife Storms Nigeria To See Her Husband

Wife at risk of becoming young widow

DLuciano:
All thanks to GEJ who acquired this amour during his tenure

Na GEJ personal money him take buy am?

Nigeria spent $15 billion on defence GEJ time but we got $1 billion worth of equipmemt same time. Dem loot the remaining $14 billion. Corruption is not stealing. Dasuki Dieziani empire. Let them be using you as toothpick to remove chicken from there teeth after eating up your future.

Xbee007:
I seriously doubt the veracity of such news.

You should rather doubt if Nigeria has surplus USD $ 600 million to splash like owambe party spray money on the Super Tuscano aeroplanes in this hour of biting economic recession.

MoD and NAF budgets 2015 supplementary, then 2016 and 2017 budgets all talk about only Superb Mushak light planes, you see any Tuscano inside three consecutive budgets?

Since 2015 Buhari has travelled to USA to renew demand for the Tuscano plane did you see defence budget USD $600 m in 2016 budget or 2017 budget? Buhari will slap America mouth juju collect the planes waka commot for free?

Only if Trump does not fall for Buhari tactics using Abacha loot $550m will change story to looking for money to pay in small pieces. NAF say they are ready for the planes now, so show us budget provision USD $600 million for Super Tuscano 2015-2017

Video in the news after the pictures. No name of any country or flag on the new double seat jet. So can it be Nigerian that is expected since last year?

The jet flies and lands in this video

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pakistan/pakistan-successfully-tests-the-new-improved-jf-17b-thunder/

tdayof:
$600m Jets’ Deal Raises US Imports Of Nigeria’s Crude
Okay, Now I know why we are paying $600M .

What we here from some Fed. Minstry staff here in Abuja is that Nigeria it trying not to pay kobo for the 12 Super Tucano air force war planes with a lot of advanced targeting rocket bombs for the plane as well, they want America to use $550 million Abacha loot in the USA banks to cover it, they are hoping maybe Trump will fall for the trade tactics