₦airaland Forum

IjeBos:
If your Trump's Campaign team, do you allow him to do another debate?

Absolutely not. That’s why they didn’t want to do this debate in the first place. He should avoid a 2nd one like a plague

bemeruca:
don't go this route. She is the VP because she is a woman, she is the presidential nominee because she is a woman. if she loses it is because she is a bad choice. there are better women out there. kamela is not it.

Not true. She is there because she was elected by the American people. She was AG because the people of California voted for her

basilico:
She would have been there listening to his speech , that's how allies are accorded respect. Instead she pandered to the jew haters the Tlaibs , Cory and AO Cortez because she wants the Muslim vote.

Foreign leaders do not control her schedule. She doesn’t have to sit there to listen to his speech to congress. She met him when she could. She had already planned that trip before his speech. She has to campaign

ono:
This how people dey fail simple question o! Meet with him at the capitol on the day the man Netanyahu went to address congress. Not White House o!

World leaders generally meet with the president or VP at the white house not at the Capitol

raumdeuter:
Kamala won't even meet with the Prime minister of Israel she went for a Sorority party

She met with him

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/07/25/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-following-meeting-with-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-of-israel/

There were a lot of responses to the poll; below is the result of the poll. Majority of you said Okezie Ikpeazu was the worst.

The poll is still open

One by one we should start holding our leaders accountable. Good job EFCC. I hope they also look into Okezie Ikpeazu and Yahaya Bello as well.

This is ridiculous.

http://saharareporters.com/2020/02/09/how-ex-abia-governor-theodore-orji-withdrew-n500m-every-month-eight-years-state-funds

I'm surprised he didn't say it was a divine right. Can I get that "Right" to the presidency as well?

Wow that is a true but cruel reality for us Nigerians.

China Population = 1.4 Billion
India Population = 1.4 Billion

China poverty rate =0.7%
India Poverty rate = 3%
China poor population = 9,800,000
India Poor population = 42,000,000

China + India poor population =51,800,000.

emzreus:
Lol. I have a good feeling the handler is a Nigerian.


https://mobile.twitter.com/ASRomaEN/status/1178945803894824960

Nice work by the twitter handler!

LadyExcellency:
Please, parastatals are revenue generating agencies of government. Abia State teaching hospital doesn't offer free healthcare same with Abia State University and Polytechnics. These agencies receive subversion to help subsidize charges not the the money to run the agencies.

Secondly, stop this bold face lie of N1,000,000,000 security vote. State the facts with verifiable links on the amount and not propaganda

First of all, I have zero interest in pushing propaganda. None whatsoever. What's my own on whether Abia is good or bad? I'm just calling out bad (Terrible?) governance. My beef with any terrible government/governor is that they are not performing. If you do a deeper analysis to determine why or how they are not performing, you'll realize that one issue is that they grab an inordinate amount of money for themselves alone. In other words greed.

The security vote is very likely at or around 1,000,000,000 monthly. It stood at 700 Million monthly as of 2010. I said it was a rumor because only very few people can confirm the actual amount because the governors don't need to account for it. You can always prove me wrong if you think I'm talking nonsense.

Here is the newspaper article I cited and spoke to a few people to figure out the current level now.

https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/news/39206/state-governors-and-their-security-votes.html

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/07/cut-your-security-vote-pdp-chieftain-tells-ikpeazu/

On the issue of parastatals generating revenue, my understanding is that states in Nigeria receive all of their internally generated revenue and then reallocates those funds according to their agenda. So revenue from Abia Teaching Hospital or the state schools go to the state government first and then "logically" should then receive enough money to run itself but that has not been the case for ages.

Again, please prove me wrong if you think anything I've stated doesn't make any sense.

LadyExcellency:
There's no proof to what exactly is the Governor's Security votes. The career opposition politicians can pontificate but that doesn't make it fact.

The wage bill is the same reason T. A. Orji sacked non Abians career civil servants.

Also see the page attached. The governors security vote alone is larger than allocation to Ministry of education, health, sports and a bunch of other ministries COMBINED. Abia has an Abia Angels Football club? Wonders shall never end; they are receiving more money than Ministry of Sports. I read online that Abia State University Teaching Hospital staff haven't been paid for 13 months or so, is the N2.4 BN per year going to be enough for them? This state budget is shameful. I pity their citizens.

kart042000:
It would have been good to obtain counts as people declare the worst governors and put the updated numbers in front of their name on first page.

Not everyone has the time to read 9 pages, but majority will appreciate seeing the poll from Nigerians.

Anyone who decides to state the reasons, that is ok as well.

My 2 cent.

Yes I agree. I eventually created the poll but it won't let me put it in the original post because it was locked by someone. Maybe the moderators? .

Based solely on the comments here it looks like Okezie Ikeazu is winning. Based purely on people who responded to the poll, Okezie Ikpeazu has 40%, Bello has 40% and Governor of Cross River and Benue state dey share the rest. The voting is still ongoing, I'll post up the final result afterwards.

Here's the link for the poll here.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/KG5GCW3

Happy voting!

LadyExcellency:
There's no proof to what exactly is the Governor's Security votes. The career opposition politicians can pontificate but that doesn't make it fact.

The wage bill is the same reason T. A. Orji sacked non Abians career civil servants.

This should not be applauded. Sacking them simply for being non Abians is against the One Nigeria everyone wants. We need to be one and that should start by stopping all this tribalistic nonsense.

So I just spent sometime digging around online and talking to a few people and this is what I pieced together. I'm going to dig into Kogi budget too if anyone comes up with some numbers I can start with.

The N2.5Billion you mentioned earlier is just the personnel cost for the executive office of the governor. It doesn't include N9.5 Billion for

Orji Kalu used to get N400,000,000 (400 Million Naira or roughly $2.7 Million then) monthly. Not to be outdone, TA Orji asked for and received a nice N300,000,000 increase; so his vote was N700,000,000. Not to be outdone either (because nobody wan carry last), Okezie Ikpeazu then increased his by another N300,000,000 to N1,000,000,000 monthly. Looks like they might have agreed to keep it around ~$2.7M monthly adjusted for inflation. I don't know.

Attached is the 2019 Budget for this year. It shows that the gov and deputy governors office got approx N13 Billion for this year. I think that doesn't include the security vote because I don't think he really needs to account for it anywhere.

LadyExcellency:
Abia State monthly wage bill is N2.5 billion - Fact

Wow! Wage bill for every political appointee or governor only or for every government person including civilians? Governor gets a huge amount monthly in security vote for sure.

plaindealer:
$3 billion is grossly poor, nothing decent about out, it's not even enough to build 5 decent major roads.

Saying they should be able to manage it sounds superficial, reality on the ground is real, not based on they should be able to do this and that.

Even the Lagos Metro is snailing because of lack of funds.

I really don't think you know what $3 billion is, you obviously think it's a lot of money, Well it's not, not in Lagos with their needs and population.

Rome wasn't built in a day. $3 Billion for Lagos is obviously not a lot of money but if thats what they have then thats what they have to work with. They can manage it well and continue building and increasing their IGR.

plaindealer:
Some states are matured and ready to have state police. but many others are not ready and are heavily immature to have state police. I don't see people like Wike in Rivers properly using state police for public good, I see him fighting his enemies and abusing state police for personal use.

Most of the states in Nigeria are poor, many can not even pay workers salary so where is the money for world class facilities going to come from?

Yah as soon as states are matured enough then they should do state police. Lagos is definitely matured enough for it. Even Abuja should have theirs but we can't selectively let states have their own police system otherwise it won't be fair.

We are not asking for world class facilities although it would be nice, all we are asking for is the basic things. Road, water, electricity and security. Simple things, not rocket science. Airport is a luxury to some states def. Port Harcourt airport is still an eyesore but they have a lot of money; this is just an example of bad leadership. So its not about being poor, its about good governance and managing resources well.

plaindealer:
Aggressive taxation and collection raised the state's tax receipt from N500 million per month to N30 billion per month in less than 10 years so the issue is not inability to generate tax money, it's over taxation and un-taxable population of non working or productive people.

Lagos is a unique state in Nigeria because it's the only state every Nigerian sees as their last safety net and opportunity to survive and make a decent living and they all troop into Lagos in thousands every day with no where to live, no source of income and no prospect of employment, but they all cramped up inside Lagos, they overstretch the resources and meager infrastructure.

Lagos is practically shouldering the burden of all the failed states in Nigeria and when the state officials ask and beg for special status and extra resources, they strike and vote them down. I guess they are too shortsighted or just blind to the fact that Lagos is not only shouldering their burden, but also is the country's golden goose apart from oil. As a society, we can not have it both ways.



It was a perfect comparison, $3 billion is nothing in a state like Lagos state, a state with crumbling and worn down infrastructures. Exactly what do you think they have left after paying down their other statutory obligations and spending on other major needs around the state? Or you think that $3 billion is just siting there for roads? By the time they get to roads, most of it is gone..

$3 billion in a state like Lagos is chump change.

I do have a solution, but it's the kind of solutions that Nigerians don't like, that they do not understand and wont go for because they have to come out of pocket to pay for it..

Thanks a fantastic jump in IGR even after factoring inflation and currency devaluation. I agree with the points you made about Lagos. It should be getting more resources from the federal government. However I think the federal government should give them just enough to not disadvantage the development of other states. It's a delicate dance, I know, but other states needs to be given the opportunity to grow as well.

$3 Billion is a descent amount for Lagos, they just need to manage it well. Lagos can always work on increasing its IGR in order to get more money to spend capital expenditure or they can reduce recurrent expenditure and spend more on capital expenditure. They can cut down on inflated contracts or even take on the construction of roads themselves rather than subcontracting it to save costs or cut down corruption. Other places in the world do it successfully so it's not rocket science.

As it stands, Lagos state budget has a capital expenditure of N463 billion and a recurrent expenditure of N390 billion. Meaning just a little more than half will be used for capital expenditure which is very bad.

And what solution are you envisioning?

Danwakae:
The state has less role to play , that's why some are calling for DECENTRALIZATION OF POWER , so that state can take care of some of these issues, many also call for star police to allow state take care of their security thereby given opportunity to indigenous people to handle the security of their locality since they understand their locality more than anybody else. for instance an Igbo man is sent to Zamafara community , where he can't communicate with them, he has no idea on community and can't even speaks the language of the people to get information about the locality... Bro, presently , the federal gat all the powers...andmaybe until power is decentralized to enable state police, states to produce power for themselves, states to have large chunk of fund for health care...some people r presently calling for these because they believe the is too much for the federal government...

I don't agree with your argument because the the state/local government is supposed to affect the citizens the most. Nigeria is a federal republic, with executive power exercised by the president. He's the head of a representative democratic framework of a federal, presidential, representative democratic republic. The states have governors who also exercise executive power and should work in tandem with the federal government to solve issues affecting their individual states. The state governors are the heads of a representative democracy in their individual states and should be solving their individual problems. Governors and local government chairmen should also be at the forefront of leading the effort of developing the states/country not just the president.

Nigeria is not matured enough for state police so having a centralized police system is probably the best way to handle the police situation right now. For the most part, those communities in Zamfara will understand pigin English or English so I don't think language is a huge concern here.

States can provide the right incentives for private sector to come in to help them generate power for their citizens for profit. It's not rocket science. We just need to have the will to do it.

States have enough money to provide world class hospitals and healthcare facilities for its citizens, the governors just choose to not do it. So decentralize power won't do much to solve the issues.

bassman007:
A special spot should be reserved for Prof. Benedict Ayade of Cross River State. His annual budget competes with that of the federal government but he ends up doing nothing. All he does is confuse people with big grammar

It's actually now a 3 horse race between Ikpeazu, Bello and Benedict Ayade in that order.

The link to the poll is below:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/KG5GCW3

Tsadu001:
Base on my opine, Niger state governor Alh. Sani Bello is the most worst governor.
In terms of;
1. Education 1/10
2. Road construction 0/10
3. Job for the vibrant youths 1/10
4. Security 1/10
5. Power 1/10
Some many things, the only things he does is that he pay salary that's all.

At least he pays salary. Some states just don't even pay. Kogi and Abia state.

So I made an online poll for it! We should make sure the winning governor gets the award.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/KG5GCW3

Goodluck voting!

Danwakae:
Bro , U need to learn , that's why we are all here..

The Gov. is NOT the CSO of his state because the the CP reports and take orders from the IG. Even if all the state is burning and the Gov calls the CP, without getting directive from the IG of police, there will be no response to the Gov's calls...it has happened in Lagos, Plateau, Zamafara, Benue, Taraba...name them, forget about insecurity for any state, even in the SouthWest all the states are comming together to solve the insecurity challenges because its beyond a state alone and seems not to caught the attention of the fed govt yet u r here blaming one Gov. . I ve never been to the southeast in my life, and apart from the Python dance, to me, Abia is more safer than Enugu and Ebonyi always in the national dailies for one security issue or the other and I can't blame the Gov because it's a national issue just thesame way I won't blame Gov Zulum of Borno and Matawalle of Zamafara...


In Education , please name any federal primary, secondary, tertiary institution that is doing well , even more than a state even with the amount of money from fed govt ...
Education is a national issue in Nigeria, don't blame those state capitalizing on it... KOGI, Benue, Ekitit , Ondo, OSUN, all got BAIL OUT, but yet are still oweing before and after bail out...who should we blame

Can u pay huge amount for a service and did't get it and yet u fail to take action against those involve ??, Even when u have all the powers to get back ur money ??..


Nigeria is something else despite the blessings with resources...


If Federal works, States must surely work...sip it.

I think we have completely different views on the governors role. So in your view, what is the governor's job if he shouldn't really be too concerned with education, security, healthcare or economy since the situation in Nigeria is bad to begin with?

They should just share the allocation and go home?

plaindealer:
How much is this resources that you people reference all the time?

$3 billion budget for 20 million people to run the state civil service from ministries to agencies, build schools, build hospitals, waste management, complete ongoing major project, pay bills, pay vendors and suppliers and build thousands of damaged roads and so on and on?

Their budget in New York with comparable population and already developed infrastructures is $175 billion.

The problem is not the governor, it's lack of funds do tackle the all the issues on the ground.

I do't even see the sense in judging a less than 4 months administration based on anything.

Well, the governor can work to increase the internally generated revenue and continue working. If he boosts the states economy enough, he can generate more revenue from taxing corporation, employees, and taxes on other activities in the state. So yes, the governor might not be the only problem but they can and should be solving the issues we are discussing here.

Be nice na, you shouldn't compare NY to any state in Nigeria. Maybe Lagos?. Haba In NY, they have a different problem. We are in completely different stages of growth so $3 Billion will probably go a long way for us than $3 Billion there because the incremental improvement per dollar is high here.

Originalsly:
Get which government abroad to provide security? Only like at the UN General Assembly do they get security..... security taking them to the UN... and back to the hotel. Other than that... they ride around in Uber or their ordinary embassy vehicle.

I think the US has a service to protect foreign leaders visiting the US. However I think you might be right in that they don't protect the non-heads of state.

I don't want to get lost in the security/no security back and forth, my point is that we shouldn't resort to violence abroad to solve this problem..

abuhari:
You all forget north western part of our country, were in security already be part of government. Some state refuse already make hills on their main road, no streets light no water,no security No no no they plenty ooooooo. The state governor doing nothing on this.

Drop some names na. Kaduna and Kano are not as bad as some of the states being discussed here.

timesup234:
My governor Okowa is a disaster to mankind

To mankind? Is he worse than Bello or Ikpeazu?

Baselm:
I am sure it's not even close, just that it is difficult to explain in words. In Kogi, a director committed suicide because his wife put to bed,can you beat that? No salary, no pension

Na wah oh. I've been to Kogi a good number of times. And have a lot of close friends from Kogi as well and they can confirm that it's bad.

Hopefully God will touch their hearts in those 2 states oh.

Originalsly:
No doubt... in some places it is wayyy too risky to protest.... but stoning politicians with rotten eggs is also a sign of protest.... they... their cars....their convoys... let them know they stink. Do you think it is easy to remove that stench? Then there is always freedom to do the same when they alight abroad.... that one beat down abroad... do you see them travelling freely now? Fear has gripped them.... a message to do the right thing or your life would be in danger...if not at home... then abroad

Are you envisioning a Cersie-walk-of-shame (Game of Thrones) type of shaming? They should really be doing more.

And for beating them abroad, they can easily get the government of that country to provide security throughout their travels and we won't do anything about it. And I don't even think thats a good way of solving the problem because we've tried violence as a way of solving our problems in Nigeria before and it hasn't worked.

Danwakae:
You are Confused...


Most of your criterias are national issues...imaging u listed insecurity, does a governor have control over the security of his state ??....education and most things u listed there r national issue, a state can only do little...Nigeria.is not working...for me GOV. YAHAYA BELLO is the worst, because he has not done anything(Which am not expecting but) cannot pay workers and yet federal govt. is paying monthly allocation...even if u want to steal money for projects, continue, but altleast pay people working for u their salaries, they have school fees, families feeding, many things to pay , how can a family moan witth wife and children be leaving his house every working days and at the end of the month , has nothing to offer his family and yet the Gov is eating , smilling, sleeping and merry making ??....I beg for Allah's mercy on them

Security situation:

All of those things are the responsibilities of the state in Nigeria. The state governors also gets the title of " Chief Security Officer of the State". We don't have state police in Nigeria but the governors have commissioners of police who they can work with to improve the security situation of their states.

Education:

Primary, secondary and Abia state university is under Abia state control. So is Kogi institutions. How is that Buhari's fault that your governor can't perform?

Paying salaries:

Abia and Kogi owe a lot of money in salaries. Common salaries. Pensions and gratuity is not even included in this oh. They don't treat the retired civil servants well at all. Shame!

Baselm:
you said it all, only that even Ebiras won't vote for him. It is an insult on YAHAYA BELLO to rate another governor worse than he is. He is the worst governor ever, I bet a rat will govern better. He isn't paying salaries, isn't doing projects, demolishing existing infrastructures, killing people. you can't beat that, this is not a matter of potholes. at least Ikpeazu won 2nd term, Yahaya Bello can't win

Wow...this Kogi state matter don pass nairaland issue oh.

It's definitely a very close race between Ikpeazu and Bello right now.

roca47:
the worst is probably cross river... i mean the only highway to and from that state is rendered useless but the man be talking nonsense up and down i.e budget of kinetic crystallization (wtf does that even mean)

You must be joking, state budget for kinetic crystallization?