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2aletheia;#897 on: November 20, 2010, 06:04 AM »

Quote from: bashy_demy on November 19, 2010, 08:18 PM
And (remember) when Allah said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allah's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad SAW, 'Iesa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Quran] [/b]till the Day of Resurrection. [b]Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute.

pls check the bold lines very well and see what Allah (SWT) means here we believe in Isa as a messenger of God and you call him son of God and rather sometimes you call him God so you are not among who Allah is referring to here except you change and accept islam
^^We both know the bolded lines are not in the qur'anic verses referenced above.[quote][/Quote]The Bold are in the Quran though, admonishing you. About Isa bin Maryam, being Allah's son, the Almighty Allah disagrees with you in Surah Maryam, saying that the heavens, earth mountain for such an evil wanted to react to you, except that Allah does not let them. Isa bin Maryam is mentioned as a Muslim in Surah baqarah, Imram and many others, including Ambiyya, and in Maidah he denies or rather shall say he has nothing to do with your saying that he is a God. Surah Maryam shows that Isa bin Maryam was a Prophet sent by his Creator, Allah Who gave him Injil and supported him and gave him instructions to follow. Allah says in Maidah that some took Jesus to a very lofty level, and even worship him, while they are saying what is wrong about Allah, In Baqarah, muslims are reminded that there is no discrimination or disbelief against any of Allah's Messengers and or Prophets (AS).It is clear that all humans shall die, and no rapture shall save anyone from death. There is a day of Judgment which no one shall escape.



[Quote] You added them yourself. See: Muslims are forever adding to the qur'an.[/Quote]Explanations, the reason they are in brackets.



[Quote]I repeat what I wrote elsewhere, without the hadiths and several other emendations and interpolations, the qur'an is gibberish and cannot convince anyone to become a Muslim.[/Quote]Paradise is not meant for you, the reason you are stiff necked. A one whose heart is pure does not need any preaching. he will ask himself; who is my Creator, a person killed by other persons? From there he will know what to do. My wife accepted islam the first minute we saw each other. I didnt have to preach. Her whole family of well matriculated people are now muslims. Alhamdulillah. As a medical doctor, you should know that your Creator is Bigger than anything that ever walked on this earth. Look at yourself and go back to that medicine that you are so good in, and ask yourself; if a person truly die, does he wake up? Can a person not be dead, but assumed so with all medical certainty? Thats even today. Turn the clock back to 2000 years ago and think about the slightest possibility that it may be a wrong diagnosis. Why is it so difficult for you especially when the Rabbi who were so close said that he was calling Elias for help, while the Bible said he was asking God why he forsook him. With later realization the Rabbi mentioned a "Mistake at the first time", what is that mistake except that they themselves did not ascertain his death; since God Almighty protected him by Helping him, as Only He can, confounding falsehood, preserving truth, in this case the life of Jesus (AS).

^^^^^Iro ti fo inu yommyuk je. Lol.

if the above is explanation, you guys have a long way to go.

''And obey Allah and His Messenger, and do not dispute, otherwise you lose courage, and your strength would depart''

With this, above, I thank Allah and i do not want to fall into dispute with another Muslim.

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Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 08:04:45 PM

Allah. Read the Quran. The companions (RA) of the Messenger (AS), They are pleased with Allah and Allah is pleased with them. Abu Bakr for example gave all his wealth for the pleasure of Allah in support of the Messenger's work. Umar divided his into 2, leaving half open for when it is needed. Quranic verses were revealed on them.
see sweet heart,i am not here for a contest.i am here to tell you that Allah's messenger ordered us to hang to,obey and follow the Quran and His Propgeny who are his Ahl-al-Bayt and no one else.[/b]do you or don’t you accept that?you have no third choice or middle ground to thread on like you know how to do best.this order was for me and you and all those in the past and present.this order ought to have also being obeyed by the ones (sahaba) [b]you claim Allah commanded you to follow.The Prophet clearly stated there will be 12 imams.why do you ignore these?[/QUote]Maybe the sweet in my name confuses you. I am a man, older than the President of Nigeria. So I could easily be a grandfather. You can still call me sweet heart, if that makes you feel comfortable. Every muslim is beloved to another muslim. There is no place that Allah's messenger told you to ignore Abu Bakr (RA), since Ali bin Abi Talib (RA) did not ignore him. May Allah straighten our Aqeedah (Amin). Allah commanded me, you and even our Messenger (AS). In Surah Azhab, for you and for me, Allah started out by addressing His Messenger (AS) to fear Him. I fear Allah, Alone. I obey His Messenger (AS). It is through Umar Khattab (RA) that Allah revealed many ayah of QUran not to rebuke him, but to wake it plain to the Muslims (RA, Ra, ra till the end of time). I leave all the unclear and the doubtful alone. I do not have to be as good as the Sahaba to enter jannah. They had the presence of the Messenger and I dont. I can feel in my soul, and heart in clear wisdom what is good.


[Quote]mind you Abu Lahab was also a companion and an uncle of the Messenger (sa) and Abu Lahab is destined to hell.there were good and bad sahaba.there were sahaba who changed.and there were pure and holy ones as there were hypocrites and the Judas type.for those who don’t know who “sahaba” is,a “sahaba” means companion.[/Quote]When did Abi Lahab become a muslim, even for a moment, hence a sahaba?


[Quote]please kindly show me from the Quran where Allah said you should follow those who you claim to be following.show me where.[/QUote]O you who are secure in your commitment to Allah: Obey Allah and obey His Messenger and those who have been delegated authority from among you who are committed Muslims … (Surah An Nisa' verse 59)

Brothers and sisters who describe yourselves as Shi'as- listen- the ayah did not say fi kum. Had the word fi kum been used, then that would have foretold what has become, (without any basis), an automatic series of Islamic rulers. This is not what the ayah is saying. The ayah is telling us that there's no legitimacy for those who gain power by the use of force or for those who are considered to be Islamic leaders because they are born to a certain lineage on Imams- that's not what the ayah is saying. There's no alaykum- for those of you who say you are Sunnis; and there's no fi kum for those of you who say you are Shi'as. Minkum means that those who are in charge of making decisions for an Islamic society and governing body are to be contracted and endorsed by Alladhina Aamanu i.e. those who are committed to Allah. We haven't had that endorsement since the early time of Islam.



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No time did the Messenger (AS) said you should abuse Abu Bakr siddiq (RA)or Umar (farooq) Khattab (RA) or Uthman bin Affan (RA) who was reported that the Angels were even shy around him. I dont have to follow those who pick and choose what they like about Islam. Enter islam fully (surah Baqarah).
Whoever disobeys the Messenger has disobeyed Allah.and whoever does that deserves punishment from Allah and based on the Quran he is cursed by all creations.

I really don’t know why an angel would be “shy” infront of a man and for what reason.all those empty praises and fabrications dont interest me.i know very well that islam denies that angels are females or daughters of Allah.that is an old arabian pagan belief.[/QUote]If you dont believe it, it is no problem. After all Jibril was reported to even call the messenger (Brother; as in obedience to Allah), and Jibril didnt go beyond a point, while the Messenger (AS) went further. One thing I know, even a man you think is terrible may be beloved to Allah, Who is the Holder of all hearts and the destiny Maker.

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Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 04:22:37 PM
@LagosShia: « #5 on: Today at 03:14:51 PM »I will leave everything aside and just deny that i have never in all my entire existence on earth contradicted Quran or Muhammad (AS). If you saw my ID attached to a post about Jesus being dead on a tree, or not being lifted up but, and or went to india or kashmir or another land to live and die, somebody had done a switcharoo somewhere. Before my father and my mother got together to produce me, I was already a muslim. I a no ahmadiyyan, shia, or any hyphenated muslim. I am simply a muslim. If i hear anything, i relate it to Quran, then find it in hadith, regardless of its beauty or its ugliness. if i cant get it in either, i consult those who have more knowledge than me. I weigh it through in my heart. I dont accept everything just because a muslim says it n a fancy coloring, reject it because i find it hard to swallow. i accept it if it comes from Allah to His Messenger[AS}, in Quran and the hadith and sunnah. i follow the three generations; the sahabah foremost because they were the ones with the Messenger, then the next generation, and the next. I follow those who follow Muhammad (AS), until they go away to their own which is when I stop following them until they return to the path of Muhammad (AS).

you say you follow Quran and Sunnah.thats okay.but sunnah through who?you said the sahaba,the next generation and the next (the tabi'in and salaf).[/QUote]Read the Quran. I follow those who follow Muhammad (AS). You wanna discriminate against any of them, I am free of such quality. I pray to Allah. I worship Allah as Muhammad (AS) worshipped him. I immitate Muhammad (AS). I love his househod. The believers in his boodline (RA). My father was named after his Uncle Hamzah. Am named after his Uncle, too. I dreamt about his wife Khadijah (RA). I dreamt about his companion Umar Khattab (RA). I dreamt about him on Arafat (AS). I dreamt about my Lord (SWT). My dreams have came true. My duas are accepted. I work hard to be a good Muslim. InshaAllah,my effort continues and t will be rewarded. I do not have to be in this sect or that before I know am a muslim. May Allah forgive me all my ignorance and short comings. All Muslims, including you.



[Quote]the question is who ordered you to follow "the sahaba and the next generation and the next generation"?[/Quote]Allah. Read the Quran. The companions (RA) of the Messenger (AS), They are pleased with Allah and Allah is pleased with them. Abu Bakr for example gave all his wealth for the pleasure of Allah in support of the Messenger's work. Umar divided his into 2, leaving half open for when it is needed. Quranic verses were revealed on them.



[Quote]what happnes to the command of the Prophet on the day of Ghadir Khum?what happens to this command which was sent from the 7 heavens?dont you claim to follow the Prophet Muhammad?how do you treat this:[/QUote]I follow his (AS) command. I am of the middle course in my religion. I am not extreme in any case.



[Quote]The Messenger of Allah [s] declared on the event of Ghadir:
"It seems the time approached when I shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call. I am leaving for you two precious things and if you adhere to them both, you will never go astray after me. They are the Book of Allah and my Progeny, that is my Ahlul Bayt. The two shall never separate from each other until they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."[/Quote]And I have never strayed from that commandment in a my life on earth. I do not by that have to insult any Sahaba. None of them is my enemy because they were companions of the Messenger (AS). The Muhajirin and the Ansar (RA).



[Quote]the Prophet ordered us to abide by the Quran and his Ahlul-Bayt (as) who exemplify the sunnah of the Prophet.he didnt say sahaba or "next generation"!
you can read in more details about the event of ghadir khum which is recorded in both sunni and shia sources,here:

http://www.al-islam.org/ghadir/incident.htm
[/QUote]No time did the Messenger (AS) said you should abuse Abu Bakr siddiq (RA)or Umar (farooq) Khattab (RA) or Uthman bin Affan (RA) who was reported that the Angels were even shy around him. I dont have to follow those who pick and choose what they like about Islam. Enter islam fully (surah Baqarah).

@LagosShia: « #5 on: Today at 03:14:51 PM »
[QUote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 02:56:14 PM
Is there a PROPHET after Muhammad (AS), ibn Abdallah?

We all should fear Allah (SWT)

no sir!

there is no prophet or messenger after Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).it is only the ahmadiyya who believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be a prophet after Muhammad,and that puts into question their faith as muslims.the 12 divinely appointed imams or successors,are not prophets and are not messengers.they bring no new law (shariah) nor new revelation that we have not known from Muhammad (sa).they do not contradict the Quran,or the Prophet nor themselves.the imams and sucessors are guardians of the message of islam and protectors of the faith as we see what happened in Karbala,when Imam Hussain sacrificed himself and his family so that islam will survive and remain as it was sent to the Prophet Muhammad.


[bf]rom your words in another thread about your beliefs in Jesus that he went to kashmir[/b] ,i sense you're an ahmadiyya follower but i decided to overlook it.[/Quote]I will leave everything aside and just deny that i have never in all my entire existence on earth contradicted Quran or Muhammad (AS). If you saw my ID attached to a post about Jesus being dead on a tree, or not being lifted up but, and or went to india or kashmir or another land to live and die, somebody had done a switcharoo somewhere. Before my father and my mother got together to produce me, I was already a muslim. I a no ahmadiyyan, shia, or any hyphenated muslim. I am simply a muslim. If i hear anything, i relate it to Quran, then find it in hadith, regardless of its beauty or its ugliness. if i cant get it in either, i consult those who have more knowledge than me. I weigh it through in my heart. I dont accept everything just because a muslim says it n a fancy coloring, reject it because i find it hard to swallow. i accept it if it comes from Allah to His Messenger[AS}, in Quran and the hadith and sunnah. i follow the three generations; the sahabah foremost because they were the ones with the Messenger, then the next generation, and the next. I follow those who follow Muhammad (AS), until they go away to their own which is when I stop following them until they return to the path of Muhammad (AS).

@Seyibrown: I am through, seyi. Over to you.

Sometimes, hope you can let us discuss Islam. I shall be looking forward and welcome your questions.

My first question to you is this; Taurah was revealed to Moses, and it was at least recorded, or oraly assimilated and remembered, while Moses was them in the almost 40 years of their wondering in the wilderness, after they left Egypt, crossed the red sea, assured that no Pharaoh and his army will come after them, since they say him and his army perished. The 40 years that they wondered about and not reaching the Canaan (West Bank and Gaza Strip with a gate separating it from Egypt is part of Canaan, knowing that Jerusalem is just a stone throw away. Yet they speb=nt 40 years to such a short distance from Egypt. It is clear that while Moses was with them, what we call Taurah must have been pure, unless you will assume that Moses corrupted it?

It should be pure if not corrupted, throughout Moses authority over them, and even till sometimes after his death. We must have to accept that at sometimes, there was moving away from it, if we follow the history of the Children of Israel,who up to this time havent used the word "Jew" to describe themselves, especially if we remember that they used to worship a calf just because Moses didnt show up on time.

Later David was given the Psalm. We see that even after David, the Bible recorded that in the time of Solomon, they worshiped foreign gods; Idolatry. The nation of 12 tribes was destroyed or disunited into 3 divided nations; Judea and Israel. If this is punishment for the idolatry, we must assume that their books; Taurah and Psalm remained compromised because they never, as people regain their purty as 1 people again.

Jesus commented in his Gospel that the pen of the scribes or the scribes themselves, and rabbis have made the laws into what it wasnt; at least the essence was lost while the letters were the only thing followed. The below proves my point that there was no purity of the Books, when jesus arrived, part of the reason[s] messenger and or prophet [as] was sent:

JESUS' CASE FOR TRUE TRADITION
In order to cut through all this tradition of men that had made the Mosaic tradition of no effect, and to bring people back to the truth, Jesus told His disciples, "But you, do not be called 'Rabbi.'"15 In other words, He was telling them not to use their positions as fathers and teachers as an opportunity to build disciples around their own private opinions. For to do so would only serve to "shut up the kingdom of heaven against men".16 Instead, with the coming of Christ, these rabbis-and indeed all who would teach God's Word-are to hand down faithfully the true tradition of only one Rabbi: Christ Himself.

[b]THE RABBIS AND PERSONAL CHARACTER
A second critical area of rabbinic leadership with which Jesus was concerned was personal character. He had detected a major flaw in the character of the scribes and Pharisees, a sin that might be called self-exaltation. [/b]They were using their position as fathers and teachers among God's people to exalt themselves. They wanted to be sure they received appropriate recognition. In light of this lack of character, Jesus said, "But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted".20 Their self-exalting spirit had manifested itself in several ways. First, in hypocrisy: "for they say", said Jesus, "and do not do."21 All talk and no walk. Their talk was cheap because it was totally contradicted by their behavior. In pretense they would make long prayers, but in behavior devour widows' houses.22 They would make oaths, swearing by the gold of the temple rather than by the temple that sanctified the gold, thereby revealing their secret love of money.23 Although they paid tithes of mint, anise, and cummin, which they should have done gladly, they neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith.24 Because they were hypocrites in these and numerous other ways

THE VERDICT OF CHRIST
In the face of the stench and shame of the apostasy of these religious leaders, therefore, Jesus commanded His disciples, "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven."33 While Father Abraham by his faithfulness deserved the title, as did others of Israel's greats in history, these men had forfeited their role as fathers. They were to cease and desist in their use of the term and, in turn, bow to God Himself as the fountainhead of all fatherhood.

Based on the above, we see that corruptions which were not there when the prophets who received them were alive to correct people, have entered the Taurah and Psalm as jesus began to preach the corrections by his Gospel. We also have to agree that when we read the Gospel, which was written down after a while that Jesus was alreasy lifted to the heavens, we realize that some corruptions must have now entered it. We have to agree that if Jesus said that he was a servant, to also say that he was God, are two opposing views. Booth of them cant be right. One has to be right. Both of them cant be wrong. WHich one is right is something you must personay pursue.


MY Question is this; Who is the Bible revealed to? Please give me his or her name. Thanks.


I already know that the Bible is not revealed to Moses, who has Taurah already.
I also know that the Bible is not revealed to David, who has the Psalm.
I know that the Bible is not revealed to Jesus, who received the message of the Gospel from his Lord.

To push the Bible on any of these men. will be injustice towards them, considering that none of them is familiar with the word; Bible.

Is there a PROPHET after Muhammad (AS), ibn Abdallah?

We all should fear Allah (SWT)

[quote]« #232 on: November 18, 2010, 01:19 PM »

Sweet,

Please start off the 'genuine questions and answers' by answering the questions I asked in # 192 about sins and what deeds cover them! I know how forgiveness of sins work in Christianity (accepting Christ and living a life that pleases God with the help of the Holy Spirit) but do not understand how it works in Islam! Please explain so that myself and others may understand.

Thanking you in advance of a 'civil' explanation from your understanding of Islam[/Quote]Simply make sincere repentance. Thats all. its that simple.

[quote]« #220 on: November 16, 2010, 02:03 PM »
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I hope Seyibrown's husband is romantic? I shall make that determination when I respond to the above in her post, thinking it is possible that Seyi is the one who lacks romantic bone in her body. I am certain that ALetheia is not at all romantic. Unfortunately, I am not in 9ja to coach you about this very natural high in people's lives.

Read the above conversation between a husband and wife, again. We see that the husband laughed at what his wife said in firm response, as if questioning, wandering, confirming, etc the husband who should know.

How did Aisha (RA) our mother know about Solomon and his horse with wings, except from the exegesis of Quran and hadith? WHo is Quran revealed upon, but the Husband she was talking to? The whole Islam is built on what Allah gave to Muhammad (AS), everything, including what Aisha said was revealed to Muhammad who asked his wife, teasing her, romancing her without touching her, just by words and she lived up to the billing, incicating that she was not a pre pubertic woman, but a real woman, a wife, our mother.

Sunny Ade said "Bobinrin kii gbogbo eniyon tio ko kooo ki nse ti oro ije. . . ."

Women love men who are relatively funny, down to earth and friendly and can meet their spouse in wit, and laughing at issues, including themselves. Muhammad (AS) displayed this quality by that example.

We are talking about a 52 year old man having s-e-x with a 9 year old who still plays with dolls, who does not understand the full implication of marriage and consummation. They could not even hold a rational adult-to-adult conversation! . . . . and all you can see is the romance in him showing his 'molars'! That brings me to ask, where is the romance in the beating of one's wife, the abstaining from her bed, or killing her for becoming a christian?[/Quote]Alhamdulillah/ From the same hadith, she said she participated in the formulation of the marriage contract. This alone should gear a person to some think; how can she be 6 and be that aware of the essence of marriage and she even participated in drawing up contract? maybe she is older? maybe somebody miscalculated her age? Wel she was born before Islam and Islam was 15 years old before any consummation. Well she has to be older than 15. Beginning of revelation is a landmark event to calculate her age from, just like Year of the Elephant is the indicator of the birth of the prophet.



[Quote]« #221 on: November 17, 2010, 03:05 PM »

Sweet and Shia (and others),

It is clear that no matter what we explain to you, no matter what truth we show you, your 'coconut heads' and 'hearts of stone' will not accept it because you choose not to accept. You find God by looking for him. If you don't look for him you won't find him. We can quote the bible to you from today till tomorrow, and tell you how good the Lord has been to us but it won't do anything to 'hearts of stone' that refuse to search for God! Seek God yourselves; ask him to show you himself! Try not to ask using fixed arabic words like 'Allah'; ask in your native tongue! You can start by thinking for a moment; What if I have been following the wrong person?. And then cry out to God to show himself to you. His revelation of himself to you is more valid than whatever witness we give to you!(I advise the last part because I myself have asked God to prove himself and he did!)[/Quote]Your truth is 3 gods that you are wrapping up in One God proposal. How did Seyi turn 3 to 1? Your truth is to rebrand a powerless man as the Creator of all things. Who will accept either? Olorun Olodumare, Ikon ni. Ko si oba meta; Iro lo njebe.



[Quote]From now on, I will only answer your questions that 'seek clarification' of Bible/Christian matters.[/Quote]You may discover something here.

[Quote]« #218 on: November 16, 2010, 01:23 PM »
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When the apostle of Allah conquered Khaibar and he had peace of mind, Zaynab Bint al-Harith the brother of Marhab, who was the spouse of Sallam Ibn Mishkam, inquired, "Which part of the goat is liked by Muhammad?" They said, "The foreleg." Then she slaughtered one from her goats and roasted it (the meat). Then she wanted a poison which could not fail. , The apostle of Allah took the foreleg, a piece of which he put into his mouth. Bishr took another bone and put it into his mouth. When the apostle of Allah ate one morsel of it Bishr ate his and other people also ate from it. Then the apostle of Allah said, "Hold back your hands! because this foreleg; , informed me that it is poisoned. Thereupon Bishr said, "By Him who has made you great! I discovered it from the morsel I took. Nothing prevented me from emitting it out, but the idea that I did not like to make your food unrelishing. When you had eaten what was in your mouth I did not like to save my life after yours, and I also thought you would not have eaten it if there was something wrong.

Bishr did not rise form his seat but his color changed to that of "taylsan" (a green cloth) and died at the spot., The apostle of Allah sent for Zaynab and said to her, "What induced you to do what you have done?" She replied, "You have done to my people what you have done. You have killed my father, my uncle and my husband, so I said to myself, "If you are a prophet, the foreleg will inform you; and others have said, "If you are a king we will get rid of you."",

The apostle of Allah lived after this three years till in consequence of his pain he passed away. During his illness he used to say, "I did not cease to find the effect of the (poisoned) morsel, I took at Khaibar and I suffered several times (from its effect) but now I feel the hour has come of the cutting of my jugular vein."

Mohammed suffered for three whole years?[/Quote]How long did Jesus suffer after he was nailed? How long did John suffer after he was sawed? How long did Moses suffered after he was deemed to die? How long did Abraham suffer before he died? You seem to want to joke, but the joke is on you.



[Quote] It was that bad that no cure was found for him for him in the land? And Allah could not heal him or raise him from the dead considering his status as the mouthpiece of Allah?[/Quote]He was only a human being that must die. What happened to a god is no better. Muhammad (AS) is in the best of companies; Ibrahim, Musa, Harun, Idris, Isiaq, Ismail, Yaqub, Yahya, yes Adam (AS), and others. A dying god is no God, a dead prophet is stil a prophet (AS).



[Quote] It is very clear that ,na the thing wey him sabi chop , na him kill am! He died for his sins and died in his sins![/Quote]And his Lord forgave him his sins that he did not even commit. What did Jesus of the Bible died from again; a combination of nailing, stabbing, knifing, hanging, beating, spitting, dragging, carrying, etc, etc.



[Quote]Jesus died for your sins; he was not 'guilty' of any sin that 'warranted' his crucifixion. He was crucified for OUR SINS; he bore all our sins, shame and guilt so that we may HAVE LIFE! He laid down his life because he had power to take it back again; and he resurrected! He is Alive![/Quote]Iku ogun on npa akin konju. Iku odo lo npo muwe. You tell me. It is you that install patron, hence a multi god worshiper. I have nothing to do with your sin carrier in the Bible. I am a servant of the Almighty. Only He do I depend on. Yesterday, I slipped and fell. As I was falling down, I said Bismillahir rRahmanir rRahim. Laa ilaha ilAllah. Wa laula wa la Quwata ila bila Aliyul Aladhim. And I did not hit my head against anything. Thats Power (Quwa; Strength of Almighty). He protected me and Alhamdulillah. I'm fine. I do not go to a crier, a weeper, a one who displays disbelief. I am a muslim. InshaAllah, I will die a Mumin and there will not be a record of accounting for me, because I will be old that muy Lord Will be SHY to punish me.



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Adam, Idris, Nuh, Ibrahim personal Friend of Allah, Lut, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaqub the soldier of Allah, Yusuf who Yaqub prostrated his face to in Egypt, Musa who spoke to and heard Allah the Almighty, HAruun, Daud who as a boy not yet a "Balagoh (matured) killed a season war veteran Jalut (Lanatullah), Sulayman the wise who Allah subdued the wind, jinn, etc for his usage, Zachariyya who became a father at such an old age, Yahya his son who never had sex (AS to all) all died. According to your Bible, even Elijah or was it Elisha was lifted up to heaven, including his chariot and there is a yoruba christian song about it in this form "hee baba mi, keke isreli ati esin e, a ko le ri won moo o: because they disappeared". Its you who said Jesus died. It is you who said he resurrected. It is you who said he was a God. It is you who said that he was a son of a God, all at the same it. It is you who proposed Trinity. Resurrection of all men will happen in one single event for Judgment Day. Jesus never died. Jesus never resurrected. Jesus hall return to die and be buried. All mankind, again shall resurrect in one single event; Judgment Day.

What you should have asked is if Muhammad saw Paradise and or Hell. I would have said that he saw both. He saw heels of his community members, even (Bilal bin Rabah (RA)) in Paradise.

'Keke egypt ati esin re' got swallowed up in the red sea, Sir, when they pursued the Israelites. Had nothing to do with Elijah being taken up to heaven! The rest of your post does not make sense to me! Did you get all that from the Quran (the corrupted version of the Bible).[/Quote]It is you people that Elijah went to heaven in a chariot of fire in a whirlwind. The one the jews thought John son of Zacharias was. Its your show, the Bible, I am just reading it for you. I have no need of it. By the way the Egyptians then were Africans. They were Coptics. So the Arab and the muslims are free of your song.



[Quote]« #219 on: November 16, 2010, 01:43 PM »

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Then relate the same condition with Muhammad (AS) and his wife Safiyyah (RA), mother of believer, who the prophet told to respond to those who called her "Yahud" (Jew, a derogatory name a muslim call children of israel, even though it is Jew they call themselves), that she is a honored woman who had Haruun as father and Musa for uncle, both being Prophet (AS), though Musa was a Messenger along with it. Allah's messenger used to tell the muslims not to fast without take a break of eating after the sunset, as he used to do, saying to them that he being a prophet is fed specially by Allah, with food not physical. The marriage between him and my mother Saffiyah was officiated by The One WHo Alone is Enough as Witness; Allah. And did Saffiyah (RA) complained, even after the messenger passed, remarried or was satisfied with her position as Wife of prophet, Mother of believers?

Now he confers honour on a 'Yahud' because he was 'forcefully' getting 'booty' of her, after killing her family, forcefully taking her of the man to him she had actually been given to as his share of the spoil! Allah is witness to a forced marriage? Yes, he is; did he not command forced marriages, despoil, pedophilia and wife-beatings, murder of infidels etc, after all?![/Quote]The heart of a person is in the Hand of Allah to turn it as He pleases. Imagine a spouse who see a better to what he/she has. He may wish to leave, but Allah has confirmed a marriage that must take place. And what you think is forced, after the death of the husband (AS), when never heard the "Victim" from your own eyes complained. I wil advise you to go to scotland yard and ask them the MI 5 or 6 to give you the profile of a Pedophile, or just ask them directly f Muhammad (AS) fit their person of interest, before you are just writing nonsensical.



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Am a father of young males. These are my children from my body through legal relationship. If I love a boy and adopted him and calls me father and i call him son, I at least know that my blood is not in his vein, even if he does not know. If he knows that the blood in his vein is not from me, that makes two of us in the know. I am very certain that there is a father out there who can demand that this boy is his, saying, in truth that the blood in his vein is from him. This man will be correct, and my claiming that the boy is my son is artificial at best, a man made idea, while the accurate claim is from the other man. The only boys I do have claim[s] on are those whose mother got pregnant because of my spermatozoa interaction with her egg to produce each or them in pregnancy[ies]. This is the case with Zayd Harith (RA), a slave of khadijah (RA) which she gave as a wedding gift to her young virgin husband (AS). Zaynab was a daughter of his uncle, hence she was his first cousin. You will agree that it is better to marry a virgin than none virgin, whatever your gender is, specifically, men desire virgins.

If he didnt marry her as a virgin, instead talked her into marrying his former slave who he adopted as a son after the boy preferred him over his own father who demanded his return, hence Muhammad (AS) openly went to the precinct of the Kaaba to declare that he is now the father of former slave Zayd, who is now a free son of Muhammad (AS). What a honor bestowed on Zayd, who loved the messenger so. In time, Zaynab didnt see Zayd as a son but the former slave which she knew his history, similar to the yoruba saying "Ti a ba kaa eru, inu eru aa ba je". The marriage had its chronic problems which made it unrepairable, as Allah has wished to use this condition to kill the artificial relationship that is not natural that happens in Adoption. Allah says to the Muslims "Muhammmad is not the father of any of you men (remember he lost all his sons, and there was a daughter that survived him?), rather he was the last of all Messengers, a seal of prophethood." Allah ordained Muhammad to grant the unhappy spouses their freedom from each other, and to later marry the ex wife, making what is artificial finally dead forever.

Lets look at the wisdom behind this; a person who is adopted, in your eye looses a family which he/she is no more a member of, but member of the new family. Can he marry from the new family, you will certainly say no. Can he marry from the family he is no more a member of, i do hope you will say no, since he is carries the blood. But if there are just these two families that he or she has suitors from, which one is truly forbidden for him, but the one he/she has its blood flowing in his vein? Which one he is likely to inherit its natural nature; diseases, etc, but the one that he/she carries its blood

Very interesting explanation for how a prophet gets to sleep with his son's wife! Grin[/Quote]You are a woman. You are a better judge of these things. What do men know?

[quote]« #216 on: November 16, 2010, 05:08 AM »
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I am almost tempted to use the vulgarity of the young woman called Idi Ileke when she was correcting a 9ja man going gaga because a yank was talking about nollywood. Put yourself down, Seyi. God is with everyone. Believer of His existence or not.

If you truly believe that God is with everyone, why do you keep bothering Christians?[/Quote]Me. I dont bother you or any christian. I just will not standby to let you promulgate the lie that God turns to be a man so that He can teach, others say so that He can experience. You dig?



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The bold appears in the Bible, twice. It does not appear in Arabic Quran. If you know a word in arabic that is "INFIDEL", tell me and I will look it up. The Christians nations have risen against islam even to this day. A cab driver was cut in the neck in New York City just 3 weeks ago, just because he is a muslim, by your christian masters, a young clean cut white young man. Please seyi, as you write, stay away from emotion of maternal instinct.

Why do your muslim brothers use the word to describe non-muslims? Please post a credible link to that your story so we can read it. I have one here for you about a young man slaughtered by your fellow muslims for becoming a Christian.[/Quote]Infidel appears in many parts of the Bible. 2 Timothy 5 verse 8 is one of them.
Youtube; ylist 109
* Muslim Cab Driver Attacked (Follow-Up)
* Muslim Stabbed (Fox News Inciting Violence?)



[Quote]Watch "18+ BEHEADING IN SOMALIA!"[/Quote]Personally, I am unhappy at what they do in Somalia. Allah says that a person who enters Islam and leaves it, then returns into it, and leaves it, again, and then still returns to it, and then leaves it. . . ., this shows that a person should not be killed for just leaving Islam.



[Quote]Let us remember to always pray for our fellow Christians all over the world that are under the slavery, persecution and oppression of 'Egypt' and ask God to bring them out so that they can serve him. Every arm of 'Egypt' in their lives should be be swallowed up like the armies of Egypt before Israel, and that these 'Egyptians' be seen no more![/Quote]That was then. Today, Jews and Christians are the new Pharaoh. Muslims are the new oppressed people with Moses. This is why Muhammad (AS) took leadership at baitul Maqdis and everyone from Adam to Jesus and even Angel Gabreil prayed behind Muhammad (AS). Islam willnot, and I repeat will not perish, even though you may dislike it. Allah will perfect it.



[Quote]And let us specifically pray for the liberation of Somalia, for every stronghold of darkness over that Land to be destroyed; that for every one person persecuted for coming to Christ, the Lord will raise up thousands for his name sake. Amen[/Quote]Allah will keep the muslims well all over the world. Including Chechnia, Bosnia, and beyond, including Kashmire. I remember the slaughter of the muslims in the 1990s. Melosovitch is on trial about it. Your prayer, Seyi against islam will not rise higher than your lips.

[Quote]« #214 on: November 16, 2010, 04:15 AM »

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The people asked for proofs, even from the priests, Jesus did not deliver any of them. They mocked him, and if there was an opportunity to save many souls, that was it and he lost the chance. Is this a merciful gesture, act, especially when he said earlier, "I am sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel [blood descendants of Jacob]" and also managed tell his disciples not to enter any other place except this core people alone.Is this is the way of a true messenger to his people? Imagine if Moses had just acted like this with the "Hebrews" in captivity. They would have been slaves much longer, starting from when Moses killed the Egyptian, and following day angry against a Hebrew, who rat him out about the death of the egyptian?

They had proof! The very works he did amongst them but they just would not believe because THEY HAD EYES THAT DID NOT SEE and EARS THAT DID NOT HEAR![/Quote]The same they did with Moses. Same they did with Muhammad (AS). But they were looking for Kingly person with power and honor and ability like Moses. They found it, not. But they found it in uahaad (AS), except that old habits die if at all, very slowly, the very reason you have demonstrated hard nosed attitude to whar Muhammad (AS). You and Jews are the same.



[Quote]His death was what was going to save many souls![/Quote]There was no death, because no one validated it. None. And we know that a mere visual validation is for foolish mind when it comes to life and death. They only trusted, but no verification. The trust was a temporary thing on their mind as a support from his Lord so that his prayer for support was answered and would not die as an accursed soul as the Jew wished for him.Remember that when the Rabbis went to Pilate they said that they do not want any more mistake since the first mistake is that they suddenly reaized "we didnt ascertain his death".



[QUote]The Samaritan woman got the message of life from him! He raised the daughter of a non-jew! Paul three-fold ministry included that of preaching to the whole world, the disciples covered the lost tribes of Israel![/Quote]You and Paul, perfect together. Now tell me how he preached "Your servant Jesus, who You sent" to make hi look like God?



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Based on the above, we can safely state that the honorable counselor, alone carried Jesus to a cave and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. This was an ordinary man and do we expect a prophet of God not to be able to do even a little better, higher? You know Seyi, I asked for the book where I can read the action of the hearing and speaking ghost, you have not shown me, because you dont even have one, since it never exist, yet the mundane above is so well detailed, to include the women watching from a far off! Which helps your heart in the quest for religious success and a way to receive salvation; what the holy ghost provided at the PENTECOST or the details of the WOMEN standing far off?

People say Babangida killed Dele Giwa. If he did, we all know he did not deliver the letter bomb in person! It is possible that Joseph was either a very strong man or he had servants to help with moving the body of our Lord Jesus(being a rich man)![/Quote]Remember he was waiting for the kingdom of God which never came. If he had helps, the writer who was very painstaking in detailing where the women were would have said he had helps.



[Quote]YOU ALSO NEED TO STOP ASKING THE SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER AGAIN! IHAVE EXPLAINED ABOUT THE HOLY GHOST TIME AND AGAIN! YOU NEED TO ASK GOD TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU THE TRUTH, I HAVE TRIED![/Quote]You have not answered, the reason I asked you, over and over and over, again. You should be doing a bigger work; as Jesus said you willdo. Or you do not subscribe to it? Which of the Gods should a me be asking, seeing that I am used to 1 Complete God, while you are now presenting 3 dueling Gods; 1 wants the other to die.The other does not want to die. The third was unresponsive throughout the whole episode?



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Read the verses, especially the bold; them, they were used and their usage indicate tat Jesus was not the only one being addressed. Jesus was reported to say that resurrection person is not given in marriage. John, the son of Zacharias was not married, and he was a prophet. Now where is the resurrection, or Jesus was just talking or somebody was just making it up thinking everyone is gullible? Pay attention to the fact that the people who ate manna died, and Jesus was making himself BREAD of life, which the eater after will not die. That was over 2000 years, ago. Show me a single soul that ate and still alive? You Seyibrown already ate and surely, someday you shall die! Now tell me a new strategy of your bringing in those who will not ask question?

Please read the appropriate quote in post # 169 again.

Jesus himself said the very words in that particular Luke quote, so what your first sentence does not make any sense. Jesus was talking about the resurrection, in response to his disciples enquiry about whose wife a woman will be in heaven if she had more than one husband on earth,[/Quote]was not one of your argument about the fact that a woman who is married once has no right of marriage again, or is it restricted to a 25 year old women who got divorced after the first night, for whatever reason, and not the 45 year old woman who lost her husband is therefore allowed to remarry, while the 25 year old divorcee is on her own? Sick concept.



[Quote]and he answered that men and women do not marry when we all rise from the dead. It had nothing to do with Zacharias or his son John! It had to do with what will happen after when all the dead resuurrect![/Quote]So your heaven/christian version of paradise offers, what exactly, while the lake of fire/christian hell does not have what exactly?



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Was death not in existence before the creation of Adam? Of course it was. At least animals die, naturally or eaten by another. Ans as to human, God created Paradise which you erroneously call heaven and Hell which you erroneously call lake of fire. Why would God created these places before He created Adam, without any purpose, for man, you think?

Eternal death was not for man in the beginning until sin came![/Quote]Proof it, since God created earth before creating Adam (AS), the first man?



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The author of the above, though erroneously so, is a better argument for Another Comforter than The Holy Ghost. At least the man, when he was speaking what was written down or writing down what is here had a voice, and most of it are new that Jesus didnt teach, some reminder of what Jesus said, but no correction except embellishment and exaggeration.

Does not make any sense and does not follow my post as quoted by you in post # 169[/QUote]Still better than the non talking and always not been seeing Ghost, who taught nothing,led to no destination and how does he glorify when he cant even speak up? Read what Jesus said.



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Who are gentiles, but non Jews. Read what your Bible say again, in dialogue between accused Jesus and Pilate, the Judge. Pilate said your people, the jews are the one you have problems with, saying that you describe yourself as King of the Jew, claiming you are son of God, able to raze down the temple and build it back up in three days. Who are the people after him, who mocked him, who wagged their fingers at him,but Jews? When did Jews become Gentiles, in your mind? This is another game in your Bible.

The Romans carried out the punishment that was ordered, not the Jews. The Jews only delivered him up for the judgement![/QUote]We shall use Dee Giwa and babangida, as you have used above. Whose best interest was it that jesus be dealt with, but the interest of the Jews? Who rejoiced about his demise (collapse), but the Jews. Please spare me the bending of truth.



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He was not buried. You need to face the truth, seyi. since they did not make sure that he died, their first error, and he was not buried and the honorable counselor was able to by himself roll the stone up to the door, it is not a surprise that a messenger of God will have a better healing time,regained his strength and bolted out of the cave.

Is that what the corrupt version of the Bible that is commonly called the Quran says about theis event?[/Quote]There is no pace that Quran is called Corrupted Bible. If you know where, bring it out. Since you are making things up, please manufacture that page of a book. It is a well known fact today, that a person can stil be alive and he may look dead by just from the very still condition one sees and lack of movement. When they puncture the body of Jesus, blood rushes out. It is a sign that the blood was still flowing as it should in living people, not in dead person that the blood does not.

[quote]« #211 on: November 16, 2010, 03:50 AM »

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A merciful Yahweh, a peaceful Jesus and a meek Ghost all t work.

He is loving and just father![/QUote]Imagine the opinion of coptic tribesmen under Pharaoh. what opinion is that to have around them? Imagine the people of Jericho, etc?



[Quote]He loves his children and will avenge any injustice done to his children![/Quote] Am of the opinion that you do not drink, though the differences from what we could hear is not much. His children? Mrs, brown, where is God in you and your brother brown marrying each other, except it will be incest it it were true? It will be better that you say correctly what you are; a creation, since He punishes when you "sin" and disbelief is the biggest sin with punishment in hell, without any doubt.



[Quote]Will you not comfort your daughter who has been beaten up by your son? And will you not discipline the same son if he keeps beating up his sister despite your having repeatedly told him how wrong and hurtful the treatment he has been meting out to his sister is? He is a just God![/Quote]When you say He is a man seized and killed, a ghost running errant, a father when He is Completely Independent, then His Justice must be due on you, in Hell, if you dont change.



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God brought us salvation. God’s arm ransomed us; God ransomed us. The embodiment of that salvation and that ransom was JESUS CHRIST. It is this same embodiment that will come back to rule the earth and reign all over us because God has given all power into his hands. Jesus Christ is that part of God that we will see!

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While you continue to draw up conjecture, could you provide a rational inference, in any of these, because you seem to be expressing blind faith.

Everything I stated in my post as quoted is written in the Bible![/Quote]Nothing is from the mouth of the servant you continue to elevate to the position of Master. Nothing, I repeat. If you know where Jesus says he is the ARM of God, and apart from him, God has no Arm, let me see it. If you can show me that Jesus said to mankind, from Adam to the last man that we all depend on him to get to God Almighty, show it. Talk is cheap. When we begin to talk about Islam, I shal InshaAllah Aminin lay out a foundation that will be proven, first giving you the introduction to the science of QUran.



[Quote]« #212 on: November 16, 2010, 03:54 AM »
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Below are thoughts Jewish scholars and only your kind think that "see unclothed of somebody" in the many millennia is a prack, and no sex involved. Please below;

The Talmud deduces two possible explanations (attributed to Rab and Rabbi Samuel) for what Ham did to Noah to warrant the curse. (Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 70a.) According to Rab, Ham castrated Noah on the basis that, since Noah cursed Ham by his fourth son Canaan, Ham must have injured Noah with respect to a fourth son, by emasculating him, thus depriving Noah of the possibility of a fourth son. According to Samuel, Ham sodomized Noah, on the analogy between “and he saw” written in two places in the Bible:

With regard to Ham and Noah, it says, “And Ham the father of Canaan saw the unclothedness of his father (Noah)”; while in Genesis 34:2, it says, “And when Shechem the son of Hamor saw her (Dinah), he took her and lay with her and defiled her.” According to this argument, similar abuse must have happened each time that the Bible uses the same language. The Talmud concludes that, in fact, "both indignities were perpetrated."

In more recent times, some scholars have suggested that Ham may have had intercourse with his father's wife.[4] Under this interpretation, Canaan is cursed as the "product of Ham's illicit union."[5]

This "curse of Canaan" by Noah was likely connected to the conquest of Canaan by Israel. Both the conquest of Canaan and the curse, according to the Book of Jubilees 10:29-34, are attributed, rather, to Canaan's steadfast refusal to join his elder brothers in Ham's allotment beyond the Nile, and instead "squatting" within the inheritance of Shem, on the eastern shores of the Mediterranean, in the region later promised to Abraham.

Genesis 9: 21 - 23
21And he drank of the wine and became drunk, and he was uncovered and lay unclothed in his tent.
22And Ham, the father of Canaan, glanced at and saw the unclothedness of his father and told his two brothers outside.
23So Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it upon the shoulders of both, and went backward and covered the unclothedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they did not see their father's unclothedness.

I am sorry that you have problems reading and understanding this scripture. It says in verse 23 that the other brothers TOOK A GARMENT, LAID IT UPON THEIR SHOULDERS, AND WENT BACKWARD AND COVERED THE unclothedness OF THEIR FATHER! In the context of the situation here, the other brothers RIGHTED the WRONG that their brother had done by COVERING THEIR FATHER'S unclothedness because what Canaan did was to UNCOVER THEIR FATHER'S unclothedness, NOT HAVE intimacy with his father! When you have intimacy with someone, somebody else cannot come and undo it. The brothers were able to cover the unclothedness that he uncovered! I understood this scripture when I first read this in Primary 3, sweetnecta![/Quote]Dont be sorry but blame your Bible which used "saw . . . unclothedness" as having sexual intercourse in other places, as given above. Based on this, I pray that the person who shoudnt see your naked never sees your unclothedness. Amin. Funny and rather ironic that you read this verse and come out with its meaning literally. But you will in the matters of Jesus not use the same datum, yardstick and thinking cap. Rather you will sell me "of my own power, I can do nothing" as pretension, or "Your servant Jesus, who You send" as Jesus being the sender, not the sent!

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Jesus spoke. You said it was "any kind of pain", as example for you to follow, and Philippians above is talking about he being able to do all things, because Jesus strengthened him. What did the writer do that was so "special" that we can say he is able to do all things and how did jesus strengthen him and with what? Gone are the days that you can say something and you do not expect somebody to critique it.

Philippians 4:13 (King James Version)
13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

It simply means that you draw your strength from Christ. You draw strength to remain faithful till the very end; You draw strength to overcome that sin you find so difficult to let go; etc. My answer; This is pitiful, since Jesus has nothing to do with the content of anything after Gospels. And the Gospels only less that 40% are attached to him, in some versions with red color.



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I was just thinking it is was better for God to just forgive everyone on the day of Judgment rather than all the processes that outlined here, and finally killed himself, since He will be the Judge and no one will ask you of why He made it easy for you to enter heaven? Every normal mind will find your idea abnormal and wonders how you arrived at the bold that ove of God for mankind has to make God die for man?

In the absence of Firemen, will it be abnormal if you ran into a burning building to save your own child? It is the greatest love of all! He loves his children that much! In redeeming us, he gave us everything we need to have eternal life. He gave us back what was taken away when sin entered the world! We have eternal life through that life that was laid down on the cross! My Answer; And it was stated that Mercy will cover children's children, or anger will cover children's children. If this is so, as you had stated before, it shows act or nature of injustice, since my record cant stand on its own without e being questioned on my forefather's goodness or fault. Jesus is in this situation as he is fro the loin of David whom you people called adulterer, murderer, and Solomon who you said worshiped idols. maybe these reasons that Jesus was begging God and his prayer was rejected, seized by Jews and hung? Seyi, your explanation, if we call it that is not cutting it.

[Quote]« #207 on: November 15, 2010, 03:27 AM »

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While Paul was declaring that Jesus loved him, it is safe to say that Jesus knew nothing about him. He was not a disciple and did not at all in the 3 years that you said Jesus preached, listened to Jesus. Here you are seyi, falling for the gimmicks of Paul and others, you want me to fall for yours so tat I become like you worshiping three gods; a son with a name, whose mother is not the wife of his father, and the ghost you will never be able to supply a proper name for? O ga fun e. Aiye yi lo bami.

JESUS (God come down in the flesh)LOVES ME TOO, not just Paul! He loves all his children! Jesus interpreted the law to those who thought 'he was not wiser than Abraham';[/Quote]After Adam, no one prophet or messenger could be assued to be the oldest in his community. Moses led Aaron his older brother. And not all young mind is bright.



[Quote] Goodluck Jonathan is not the oldest person in Nigeria; Obama is not the oldest person in America, therefore, 'Ojo ori ko ni laakaye' (no insult intended). I give advice to my friends all the time, and I have great relationships with much older people.[/QUote]None was supposed. Reality age does not have the only ipact on any matter, including who will die, except who arrive first.



[Quote]Sunny Ade sang 'Bo s'omode lo d'ade, k'ase kabiyesi fun, Ka f'idobale ha . . . . . ![/Quote]While Sunny Ade is a Christian, I can see why he dobales to all the "To ndades". I am a muslim and my prostration is only to Allah. There is no Oba I appears in front that will demand any idobale from me. Never, and that include those I personally know.



[Quote]JESUS IS GOD; Please, don't belittle GOD for coming down to us in human form; He is still GOD![/Quote]You want be to be a disbeliever like you with blind faith? Proof how a human being becomes the UNSEEN CREATOR. You are the one insulting God by saying He ust be a man you called Jesus, a mere human.



[Quote]I Sing:
'Kabiyesi Kabiyesi re, Baba agba,
Kabiyesi re, Oba lailai! Smiley

Oba to j'oba, Oba to j'oba lo
Your excellency Kabiyesi o
Oba to j'oba lo
Your supremacy Kabiyesi o
Oba to j'oba lo Smiley[/Quote]Sing as long as you wish. Euphoric feeling sometimes is a natural thing. It is as weak as the house of cards.

[Quote]« #205 on: November 15, 2010, 02:19 AM »
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Seyi is nt seeing that she is hanging holy spirit, jesus on God to legitimize them. but not hanging God on any of them so that she legitimizes God. Please tell me how the not audibe holy ghost is your teacher, though you were not from the generation of the disciples, but do you hear a one who has no audibe capability, but Jesus said he must hear and then speak exactly what he hears? How will jeus redeem you when he cant even redeem himself?
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Tell me how this God's Spirit was sent by God to "What he hears he shall "SPEAK""? Tell me how a ghost hears and speaks, unless you are playing yourself.
In the same light, where do you claim that Mohammed really got all those things written in the Quran? The garment of 'pretend ignorance' does not suit you, Sweetnecta. It's got the fit of the 'invisible robe'!

I explained earlier on that God is spirit. God's spirit (God) speaks to our spirit and our spirit can hear him. God's spirit communicates with our spirits![/Quote]Let me behave like Thug Nucearboy, Tonye-T and Almuhandis for a moment; you didnt explain foku! Maybe in your mind, but in reality you didnt. O simply gave you an attribute of the Another Comforter by Jesus, except if you wish to deny what Jesus said? I shall not be surprised if you did since the whole OT is now a footnote of One liner, love God and neighbor. I didnt ask if the Ghost is talking to you or not, but that jesus said what the comforter shall hear from God, the comforter shall speak. By so doing, the comforter shall correct, teach new things, remind, lead to all things and glorify Jesus accordingly because he is following God's order in the doing of each. Is there a former Holy Ghost like the former Comforter while another comforter is mentioned, and your reason for saying it is "ANOTHER HOLY GHOST"? Talk to me, seyi.



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Yet christianity has a larger number than Islam.But seyi, when you put Jesus bigger than what he was, are you not in way an anti christ? I want you to think about it, since what is not accurate about Jesus is a form of anti christ. Let me give you an example; if a person says Jesus was a 20 year old man, we will both agree that the idea is anti christ in concept. If Jesus says he is a servant of God, and those who call him God must be anti christ in concept, also.

The Spirit of the anti-christ is manifest in any person/religion/organisation that rejects and antagonises the MESSIASHIP of JESUS.[/Quote]While you are shy about answers, your statement in bold Quran says to it; Massiah Isa ibn Maryam, rasulAllah [The Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Messenger of God]. Now have the womanly strength to address my statement that the anti christ spirit is indeed Christianity. Let me help you to set yourself up for a fal in this regard;
Jesus said he was a servant without wages sent by God/ True or not?
Jesus said that the Lord he serves is ONE Lord God. True or not?
Jesus said that he is powerless on his own. True ornot?
Jesus said that All Power belong to God Who sent him. True or not?
Jesus prayer to God as his maker.True or not?
Jesus begged God that Only His Will dominates and shall be done.True or not?
Jesus obeyed God, not God obeying Jesus. True or not?



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Simon the zealot took the gospel to North Africa! Jesus sent the disciples to the lost tribes of Israel.[quote][/Quote]Hopefully, you are a better wife than a terrible debater. Simon the "zealot"did not go to Igboland, which is even nearer that the yoruba west. If Jesus was sent to the ost tribe of Israel in Igboland, he was a terrible messenger not to have invited them or send emissary while he was alive. Muhammad (AS) was told to take the message to the world, he immediately invited the kings and emperor of the world to join his, as their messenger in islam. Where Biblical Jesus failed Muhammad shone.



[Quote] These lost tribes were all over the place; some had migrated and many had been taken slaves during the many wars that had happened before. The Jews are only two tribes of Israel - Judah and Benjamin; the other ten tribes split away and they were known as the 'House of Israel'.[/Quote]Show them in the yoruba tribe. Obasanjo said we yorubas are akkans. So how did Arab akkas, indeed Quraishi people became lost Israelites, seyi? You should have some elements of shame. Am sick of your dishonesty.



[Quote]The original Israelites can be found in almost anywhere in the world today! You will need to read up on where the wars took them if you want to know if any of the apostles went to modern Igboland to preach to the lost tribes of Israel. The 'House of Judah' is now commonly reffered to as Israel. It is history that you do not need to delve into now - the most important thing is accepting Christ.[/Quote]All these computer geeks wants to make me like disbeliever like herself. Look, am a yoruba man, show me in Ibadan the lost tribe of Israel, since Israel was the first man on earth. Jacob was only yesterday in the scheme of the history of man.

[Quote]« #204 on: November 15, 2010, 01:35 AM »

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The "Jews" and their exclusive games. Count 'em Seyi: They made it seem that the first person created was a Jew, a Hebrew, strictly from them (sorry my Jewish friends. It is the Christians who are forcing us to talk about you). The Jews make God their personal God, excluding us as if that God is not the God of all; Jews or Gentiles. They claim Abraham for themselves as if the Arabs have no relationship with him (AS). The make belief in One God theirs, alone as if we have no right to belief in One God.

They make Messengership and Prophethood theirs alone, as if they are the only people alive or the only family that Abraham had. While I am very confidently sure that Jesus a man who was given revelation will never say he is God or son of God, I assure you Seyi, that your thought that Jesus is the only way to God, negated, for example Noah and those people who survived the flood that they were people of paradise, getting the good Grace of God without Jesus. How about Abraham and Isaac, and Jacob? Do they have to depend on Jesus to get the good Grace of God, too? We know that Lot survived and even his wife perished. Did Lot have to get to God through Jesus, as well? Yet each people and group are from the collective "MAN"!

The Jews are descendants of Abraham, [/Quote]So are the Ismaiites from his first son, who fitted the "ONLY SON" title, before his brother was born, Remember the 12 tribes from him? Remember the 12 tribes from jacob, and Joseph is the best of them, a prophet honored even with prostrations from Jacob and his brother, sisters included. Are the 12 tribes of jacob [is} jew, but [are] not benjaminites, reubenites, levites, etc? Seyi and the Bible cant speak the truth if their salvation depend on it.



[Quote]so they could claim that Abraham was a Jew. If Abraham was a Jew, it makes Ishmael and his descendants Jews too; and if Adam was a Jew, it means everybody in the world is a Jew.[/Quote]You shoud be ashamed of this above. For the sake of argument so that I can rubbish your idea, why do the jews then say they are special if all of us are jews? Find out from a jew. lawyers in England is at least 50% jewish. it is not hard to find a good law firm for confirmation; baker McKenzie is a good one. I remember walking into one of my lawyer's office who began to defend himself right away since he knew that I am a muslim. I had to tell him to relax, since you wil be in my corner for a long time. Seyibrown is your great grandfather from the "Seyi" tribe or it is seyi that is from his "Tribe", while your children is from "seyi" tribe, if all? Think hard and apply it to Ibrahim (AS). I wonder why we are children of Ibrahim by religion and even all of us, including Ibrahim are children of Adam by humanity? Why not chilfren od Israel (JAcob), Jew which is 1/12 of the children of Israel?



[Quote]I personally have no problem with being classified as part of the same tribe that Adam was, whether he was Igbo, Fulani, Arab, Chinese, Itsekiri or Ijaw.[/QUote]This is not impressive since you fall for anything and everything, i am not surprised here.



[Quote] The Jews were set apart, they are a chosen people, like an experiment or an example that the world at large should learn from. Any of your kids ever lay more claim to you than the others? Do you remember the last-born of your family ever laying claim to either of your parents being his/her parents and not yours? Grin It is not out of spite, it is out of love, longing and the special relationship that he/she has with your parent. Your mum ever said, don't beat my child? It is not because you are not her child, it is because the younger child needed more protection, love etc. Grin I am certain that you do not hate the last-born of your family because of what seemed like 'favouritsm' at the time. Grin Do the Arabs not claim that there is no god but Allah(their God) too?[/Quote]what are you pointing out here? If Jews were chosen, it coud be for 2 obvious reasons; the one at the beginning of their being chosen is to be a carrier of the message of One God, not 2 or 3 or more, but just the ONE God that must be worshiped. Then as they fell into many forms of idolatry, from the physical, Golden caf they worshiped as Yahweh, to all others, where the Bible even accused the wise King Solomon as an idolater, to the larger jewish population abolishing, changing their Torah, Sabur to Mishnash, etc which is taking the Rabbinic writers of these books as patrons ot partners, with God without knowing, to your calling God in Trinity as you advanced the 3 gods of the chrstendom, do you expect Hod Almighty Who made it clear that no partnership of any kind is allowed to still say that the Jews are special in the first sense of Purity, or now special in another way. the second way, as follows?

People who were honored when they fall, they are still chosen as example of abasement. Jews were made so, when Allah turns to bring Muhammad (AS) up, similar to when Allah turned away from Pharaoh and Egypt and abased them by raising from slavery the "Jews" (Though never did Moses call them jews), to prominence that they were able to defeat Egypt, cross the sea without loosing a person, and defeated every people that they encountered on the way, to Canaan. God shall not stand with disobedient. The Jews were, at least during the time of Jesus. They killed him according to you. Thats disobedience. You expect God to continue to honor them, when He was even trying to kill Moses, according to your Bible, while the errand He sent Moses on, Moses had not delivered it. Who is more important, Prophet Moses or disobedient Jews? Have you had no hame? Dont you know that 1 believer is better tan a trillion disbeliever, and God raised the whole of mankind, from just 1 person? It is very easy for Him to do?



[Quote]The 'word of God' has always been the only way to God.[/Quote]Except that the corrupt Bible is not it, and neither was Jesus since he begged Gos and acted like a disbeliever by asking "why"". The WORD of God would never have asked God "WHY", since It was coming from GOD .



[Quote]He was there in beginning, nothing was created without him. Abraham, Lot etc accessed God through (the word of) God. If you understood that Jesus is God come down to us in the flesh, you would understand this bit. Jesus has alway been there. [/Quote]I dnt understand what doesnt make sense. You have to proof it. You proof that you exist. You proof that you are a female. Now proof this thing about Jesus being there from the beginning. There is nothing of such in Genesis, a later document, but mch earlier than New Testament.



[Quote]You remember earlier posts of when Jesus told the Jews that he existed before Abraham existed?[/Quote]in the same vain I explained that I was also in existence before Abraham, indeed before the first children of Adam, who must have existed a lot earlier than Abraham.



[Quote] I also explained that God's arm brought salvation and that what one's arm does can be attributed to one. Abraham, Lot etc had access to God in a way that was possible under that dispensation and we today have access to God through Jesus(God) in the only possible way under this dispensation.[/Quote]Nowhere that Abraham or Lot, etc mentioned Jesus. Nowhere, I repeat. You are on your own in what you are saying. The Creator of the World Is Enough and no one needs to go to or through anything, which shall violate at least a commandment.

[Quote]The scripture above was written before Jesus was born. Jesus took the message of salvation to the Jews[/Quote]While I know you will for ever struggling without success to name the 10 people in the very vesr you are trumping, working hard to fit Yoruba with the exact man among the 10, the fact is that your Bible says that salvation has always been with the jews, if nt from the beginning where some have even suggested that Adam might have been a Jew, we clearly know that you will say that their salvation began with Abraham or Isaac or Jacob at least, sincerely none of them is a Jew, father or ascendant of Jew, yes. Does the salvation they had before Jesus remain on all of them, evil doers and good doers, regardless because they are Jews? Does the message of Jesus supersede the previous Salvation, and since almost all of them rejected and continue to reject him and even vow to kill him, if they ever have the opportunity anew, considering in their own mind that they made a mistake the first time, but hard nosed by refusing to admit that they are not sure of hs death, why do Christians say "Salvation is of the Jews"? If Jesus was such a forgiven person, what happened to him not forgiving lucifer, the the devil, satan, the fig tree, the spirit that went into the pigs, the pigs, Judas Iscariots, the thief on his left and indeed the people he called vipers, leeches, etc and why show such a disbelieving spirit by yelling to Elio Who he lamented forsaken him? SO many question for scholar seyi who probably will water it down by whitewashing it with some random esoteric baby's class story.



[Quote]but the work of salvation was done for ALL! And because salvation comes from the Jews, people from all languages of the world go with the God who revealed his salvation through the Jews. There is no language or tribe that has no one calling on the name of Jesus![/Quote]There is no Hashimite clan or Quraishi tribe that is calling on Jesus. None. If any did, he only said it in jest, which is wrong in the first place. There are other tribes of the world that are pure pagans, still undiscovered, and the aboriginis or some tribe like them was to have said that a god that excretes is not a God. I do know that people like this will know for sure that Jesus is not the God deserving any worship.



[Quote]John 4:21-23 (New International Version)

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.[/Quote]Alhamdulillah. Only Al Quwati Matin could make the bold remain in the Bible, for usages of people like me to address Seyibrown. Jesus himself worshiped God, like the jews who believed, and who had believed long before him. Whats the differences between him and Daud or his son Sulayman, or Jesus cousin Yahya, of who worshiped God, just like Musa and Harun, ike Yusuf, Yaqub, Isiaq, before them, like Ismail, Ibrahim his father, like Nuh, Idris, Adam, the first man?



[Quote]It is established here that God will be worshipped in spirit and in truth(from everywhere and anywhere) and not in a particular location.[/Quote]Every muslim must have prayed at home, if only once. The earth of Allah for the most part is the Mosque. I remembere my late father (ra) praying in his quarter, or in front of the house, where people came to join him. Can you conduct your sunday service at cross road of the world? I have made prayers there before, including Jumuah. The blessing in Islam, with all the avenues to receive mercy, is head and shoulder above any known "way", religion you can think of.



[Quote]John 3:16 (New International Version)

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Note that in the above scripture, it says 'WHOEVER' not 'ANY JEW'. Salvation is on offer to ALL who wish to accept it! It is not limited to the Jews alone.[/Quote]The bold does not cover you as member of the whoever, because Jesus didny intend it as you thought, by his not allowing his minstry to spread to non children of Israel. He neither had a non Jew nor endeavor to cultivate any.He behaved like Moses in the clanshness, hence his ministry was not different from any of the tribr oriented leaders, as God Almighty had instructed them. Muhammad (AS) is the only prophet given authority for the whole world, after God moved away from the Jews.



[Quote]Jesus used the parable as set out in the scripture below to explain the time he would come back to the disciples.[/Quote]Are al parables about Jesus? If no, then how do you know that the below is talking about him, instead of something or another person?



[Quote]Matthew 25:1-13

Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
1 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise.
3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.
4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.
5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’
9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’
13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

So, all disciples of Jesus (past and present) know when he will be coming - ANYTIME![/Quote]Let me laugh at the "door was shut part"and fell sorry for those who he will say "I dont know you" to. You my friend is one of them, a later generation with all kind of corruptions in your Bible and in your practice. Noticed that those who called him "lord", he said he does not know them. About the parable of the King or ruler. A disciple should have been the people who he had as companions, why then the word apostle? Seyi does not even know ther own titles?

[Quote]« #203 on: November 15, 2010, 01:09 AM »
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At no time did Jesus speak about anyone beyond his followers. Those followers were the disciples, since he said "You" about who his audience was. Even as Judas, who was not iscariot said you are manifesting yourself to us alone, instead of the "WORLD". Seyi, you were not a disciple and the Bible speak not about you or any generation or people other than those who followed Jesus, then (his inner circle). Where do you fit, and when did you become an inner circle member? Initially, the Comforter was merely the spirit of truth, prophet, suddenly becoming the Holy Ghost. If the spirit of truth is known only by the disciples, how are you able to know him? Read the verse again, since Jesus told his people and not you? Even if you are going to claim that you know the spirit of truth,the disciples have to tell you what Jesus told them; so where can I read it, because you have to read it, otherwise you have not told me the truth or it is you who does not understand. Read that verse again. It is in plain english and you live in england.
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Jesus spoke this very verse to the disciples. Not even Paul was in this illustrous group.They re dead and "Forgotten" and not living now or forever so that the verse can apply ans be current [i pray that seyi disagrees with me on the quoted forgotten, so that i can use it to nail her to the cross], How do you become part of the disciples, al of a sudden, since they lives so long ago, already dead while you are even here today and barely 30?

The disciples were not the only ones Jesus taught.[/Quote]I never asked who he taught. I simply laid out the grid that he told his disciples about the "Another Comforter, which is the 'holy spirit' coming from Go" I remember that the word "Spirit" was used to identify a true prophet of God, because everything he says shall come to pass, whle a bad spirit, meaning a false prophet, shall not ave everything he says come to pass. Pay attention, Seyibrown! Now then, Jesus made many promises, including his return even before some of the disciples dies, and of course, like former comforter[s] we would have expected the another comforter, which was unknown at the time that Jesus spoke about him, to come into the human stage, speaking to people in audible VOICE. Jesus by your Biblical litmus test does not pass the Prophet of God test, with either of the two, at the minimum, not returning to the world before the last of his listeners died.



[Quote]He taught the peole as well. He healed the people.[/Quote]Moses spoke and taught Pharaoh and prople who supported Pharaoh, He performed miracles in front of them. They didnt follow him. Muhammad (AS) taught Jews in Madina, and it was miracle performed when the poisoned meat at Khaybar didnt kill him as it did other. He taught and performed miracles in Maka, too, splitting the moon. The didnt follow him. In each case it is similar to those Jesus taught and performed miracles in front of them, the scholars of Judaism, the Rabbis. We are talking about the disciples, similar to the companions of Muhammad!



[QUote]Many of the people whose lives were affected took his fame and message abroad. Jesus teachings were for the Disciples to apply and pass on to others. You do everything Mohammed commanded but you were not there when he was alive, even your teachers were not there! Your teacher who thought you the Alphabets and Maths in school did not intend that you should only use it for yourself, she at least expected that you will one day be able to help your children with their home-work too! Can I also point out that I am a disciple of Christ, since I follow his teachings just as you are a disciple of Mohammed because you follow his teachings.[/Quote]The mere following does not make you a Sahaba (RA). You have to be a sahaba, then, some people thought seeing him in dream also qualifies since the dream wil be fresh in your memory, always, and no one can pretend to be him in dream. I have dreamt about him (AS), buthis condition as I indicated about is not the same with Jesus, since images of Jesus abound, including a nordic european look. Jesus in the critical sense of it, is not a good teacher to have had pupils that needed CORRECTION, more teaching, leading to NEW things, in less than 3 months he left them.



[Quote]Zechariah 8:23
Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.[/Quote]THe nations here represents Jewish tribal nations, or the whole world? Please tell us what it represents and where are the 10 MEN? Name them please, and tell me who has taken hold of my beloved Yoruba? Name him which man is in charge of Nupe, or Ibiobio, your choice, never mind other languages, unless yuor Bible goffed off, again?

@Olaadegbu: « #1 on: July 28, 2009, 12:30 AM »
[Quote]The fact that Abraham Lincoln was born, became president, or was assassinated cannot be proven using scientific methods. To be scientific it must be repeatable (as in the testing of gravity). The proofs that Lincoln did exist and was a historical figure are:

* the written evidence,[/Quote]In the case of jesus no one wrote anything down. Accounts of his life are so dissimilar that one wonders if the writers ever were his disciples, all at the same time.



[Quote] * eyewitness testimony,[/Quote]The Jewish rabbis who were at earshot to him thought he asked for Elias for help, while the Bible recorded he was saying in a loud voice "Eloi, Eloi, . . . .La ma bacashe ne" (sorry for my spelling. But you got the jist). If the ears of those who were bent of terminating his life deceived them, what do you think if his admirers knew he didnt die, would they alert the Jews about it, or keep the idea of "he is dead", going to give credence to a miracle, fake miracle I will say. But that aside, there is no evidence that he did not merely fainted, or lapsed into a coma, instead of death, since he never attained regurmortise at anytime. But, also there was no scientific test that he actually expired, since his blood was still circulating in his body, and his body did not get cold at anytime.



[Quote] * physical evidence that remains to this day at the Ford Theatre, birth records and newspaper articles regarding his election.[/Quote]Jesus was beat up badly and was nailed up on a tree. This is not in no way evidence that he died, but torture, yes.



[Quote]All these facts are acceptable in a court of law as proof to a judge and jury.[/Quote]Do you have the same evidence, for Jesus? Who medically ascertain that he died? Where was his grave and when was he buried in it? Did he just dig himself out of the grave? Evidence, please. I hope there are some, below?



[Quote]Garry T. Ansdell (D.D.) made a case out of this when he stated that "The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead is evidential:

* the empty tomb still exists,[/Quote]A tomb that was only a dug out, easily opened and closed by a single man. But Jesus promised3 days and 3 nights inside the earth, not in a cave. If this is inside the earth, then everyone who spent a night or two or 3 or more in a cave has done what Jesus did, at least. Even hibernating bears do better, every winter.



[Quote] * His birth record is documented all the way back to Adam and Eve,[/Quote]Are these the evidence of his death and or resurrection or just that he existed? Somehow, my line also ended up with Adam and Eve.



[Quote] * the four Gospels record His death;[/Quote]The four gospels are inconsistent with one another on many topics, hence, at best one of them copied the others, or worst all lied because it was the idea that the comunity wanted projected that the gospel writers ran with.



[Quote] * the location, even the names of the political leaders who sentenced Him are historically recorded;[/Quote]EVidence of trial.



[Quote] * there were more than five hundred eyewitnesses who saw Jesus after the resurrection, recorded by the New Testament writers;[./Quote]A man who got better after illness, can walk around for people to see that he is now healthy.



[Quote] * the very existence of the Christian faith, based on His death and resurrection;[/Quote]Could it not have been a lie, even though almost everyone believed it tp be the truth?



[Quote] * the cultural and political evidence at the time, including the Roman calender separating all of time into Before Christ (B.C.) and in the year of our Lord (A.D.)."[/Quote]Each of these are proofs that it was accepted because the Jews who probably realized they made "The First Mistake" stubbornly stuck to their idea that they killed him, while the disciples wanted a miracle agreed that it was true the Jews killed him. So the myth makers were of two groups; those Jews who realized their mistakes, later after the fact, but cant ask your a re kill, the reason they said "Mistake like the first time". The few disciples who knew spoke about it, but were told to never reveal it, then forced to toll the line of "he was dead, now he woke up". Who will think staying in a cave is equal to being buried in a grave? Who does not realize that the sign of Jonas was completely swallowed by a whale, alive al through the 3 full days of 3 days and 3 nights? How is staying in a cave, with oxygen in its air to sustain life, is like being swallowed (inside the grave and covered with dirt) in the earth for 3 full days of 3 days and 3 nights?[/quote]

It is true that jesus was lifted up, body and soul, still alive, similar to Muhammad's taken to heaven, too. Jesus will come back on earth, alive, smilar to how Adam, wife Eve arrived on earth and Muhammad came back on earth. Note that Muhammad (AS) had done what no one had done; go to heaven alive, returned alive.

The condition of jesus (AS) in heaven, only Allah knows.

@Aletheia; What happened to the word Eloi in the Bible?

How many time was it mentioned?

How many times did Jesus use it for himself?

How many times did Jesus use it for the Holy Ghost?

How many times did Jesus use it for Who you call Yahweh?

Why didnt Jesus use Yahweh, or Jehovah, or Adonia, or Elohim, but Eloi on the cross instead?

Whats the importance of Eloi, vis a vis Elohim, Yahweh, Jehovah, Adonia, or others?

Who is Eloi that Jesus was calling?

Why not himself, or Holy Ghost, or Yahweh, or Adonia, or Jehovah, or Elohim?

@Aletheia: [Quote]Quote from: bashy_demy on November 14, 2010, 03:04 PM
Yes we all know you worship diffrent gods yes even within christains they worship diffrent gods you cannot compare what Catholic worship to the one of Anglican so not new to me at all.


Perhaps, you can tell me all the different "gods" that Christians worship: typical of Islamic polemic; slander and lie without being specific.
You deliberately misunderstand: Christians do not worship the god that Muslims worship. Our Heavenly Father is different from and not the same as "Allah". You will not find the name of your god in any of our scriptures.[/Quote]Three questions for you, where a yes or no shall be accepted as an answer in each.

1). Do you worship Father Yahweh in heaven? Yes of No, will be good enough.

2). Do you worship Son Jesus on earth? Yes or No, will be sufficient.

3). Do you worship Holy Ghost (No Name) in your heart? Yes or No, will be adequate.

Alitalia can talk about Northern Nigeria, and when I talk about the place I know to show that the world of Islam is wider than his whipping board, northern Nigerian Muslims, he gets agitated. Good christian you. You are like those before you; either calling people fools, or propagating a false gospel.

^^^^^^O se fun iwo alitalia man yi. You are so flat in thinking, with all the knowledge you acquire. You lack critical thinking.

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Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 01:12:05 PM
@Aletheia: « #207 on: Yesterday at 08:06:20 AM »I know something is fishy about you. You werent born into christian home. Same was Olaadegbu. Same was Nucearboy. Same was Tonye-T. Same was Davidylan, etc. You were all from Islamic or Babalawo upbringing and found Christianity which has enriched you tremendously.

Indeed following Jesus has enriched our lives tremendously for in Christ are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. So you agree that Islam and Babalawo go hand in hand. There is still hope for you after all then. May God who brought us out from (sic) Islamic or Babalawo upbringing also do the same for you.[.Quote]Seyibrown was at least bold enough, regardless of her guess work, right or wrong to say I was being sarcastic. If you claim that all you chose christianity, should one at least that you came from others, Islam is one of "Others". SO is Babalawo, or Ifa or Sango, or Osun, and many more since you are yoruba, I couldnt have said Judaism. Think man, because you are disappointing me by your inability to think. To you anything that is not christianity is as good and in hand in hand with babalawo. Even the Jews who hold the key to your salvation. There is a joke by Jews; If the Jews go to hell, according to Christians, Jesus will be there with them, making his journey the second time, and permanent, this time.



[QUote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 01:12:05 PM
You think like a poor mind. Let me count it for you; Yusuf Islam, of ENgland of the 70s Rock era's Cat Stevens, America; many Rappers and Actors including Ice Cubes, mainstream ordinary Joe Plumber; Hamzah Yusuf of Zaituna Institute, SUraj Wahhaj of Masjid Taqwa corner of Bedford and Fulton, Brooklyn, Yusuf Estes of San Antonio Texas, almost all black and white muslims including spanish, asians, etc of America are reverts from Christian background. You must be thinking that you are corresponding with a local villager fro your hamlet. You needto see the world; it a vast empire. It is nothing to Allah. Olaadegbu, o de so fun bobo e.

That you are in the US does not in any way validate your Islam. You are beginning to sound like a broken record---always finding a way to mention that you are outside Nigeria. It is of no import to me. You can list as many celebrities as you like who have embraced Islam. It changes nothing: every hour islam loses 667 muslims convert to Christianity, every Day 16000 , every year 6 MILLION (Source:AlJazeera)[/QUote]If you ask me to comment on Nigeria, it will be unfamiliar to me since I do not know so much about her. So that settles your concern. My islam is not validated by location. I just became more aware of what the world is all about concernng Islam. Many people may have argued that there were no white Muslims, which was the opinion of late malcorm x, until he went to hajj andsaw rainbow of people; all muslims. You need to quit acting like a person who buries his head in the sand. Islam loses just fro the africans, if Al jazeera opedis correct. But I see with my own eyes, seeing people reverting to islam, steadily, including in Igboland. If Islam has not entered your abule, wait long enough, it will enter your house.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 01:12:05 PM
Qudus is Holy. Jibril is described as Ruhu Qudus; Holy spirit or spirit that is Holy. Call God your father and you His child. The relationship is clear to a child. You brothers and sisters know who is their father; mom's husband. Live in your fantastic fantasy and ignorance. When you are in hell, I guess you will finally realize that He is not your father, after all, but your Creator Who Commanded through Messengers (AS).

Just like I thought, no Muslim can answer that question. Qudus is the arabic word for holy, so your answer is equivalent to saying saint (French) is holy(English) Is it any where described as an attribute of your god?[/Quote]Al Qudus is One ofthe 99 Names. Research it. You will find reality. Muslim bears AbdulQudus. Just he bears Abdullah.



[Quote] Does it any where occur in the Arabic in your qur'an? Here is a list of transliterated arabic words in the qur'an. show us qudus in it. What does Holy and Holiness mean to the Muslim?[/Quote]Al Qudus, is The Holy. In Surah Hashr (You have to research this for your own knowledge), Allah among Many Names is called Al Qudusu. You emit ignorance to the degree that it pains me to see you show it to the world.



[Quote]You are a Muslim who claims to know his qur'an but you couldn't answer the question; al-ilah it would seem has a phobia for holiness; only twice in his qur'an does he deign to use that word for himself (your assignment is to find the two verses) but he in no way educates his followers as to what that means. Compare the Bible: 231 times in the NT and 458 times in the OT and I have not even included derivatives like holiness in the word count![/QUote]With that many, The Empire of Egypt died. Young people where killed off. jericho was destroyed and it was supposed not to ever be inhabited. Whats wrong with this holines?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 01:12:05 PM
Then there is no true Christians in the US, British, etc governments and their army as the waged "CRUSADE; Holy war", against Al Qaidah, and Tahliban, and even Saddam Hussayne (ra) and the Baath Party, then. George Bush, D. Cheney, Rumsfelf, John Ashcroft, etc including Colin Powell were all Muslims and not Christians? They must be bad muslims, just like those who fought their own brothers. The whole of Baptist movement that late Jerry Fahwell belonged are not christians; they hate your type; black and african. When we look at your definition of true christians, am sure you are not, since you disagree with Jesus, but always agree with Paul.

You don't understand what it means to be Christian. What I wrote is plain enough. Hatred binds and blinds you so you will not see it:
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You will not find any true Christian committing any of those things you highlight above, but on the other hand we see true Muslims committing murder in the name of al-ilah.[/Quote]And the US Military officers who kiss their CROSS and tell the muslims that they have tortured "This torture is a gift from Jesus" are not Christians? You are naive, because with their wealth, the evangelized Christianity, and brought it to your bloodline. Yet they will not let you pray in their neighborhood church. Reality for your local mind. You will be shocked to silliness when it happens. And with your eyes wide open, you will absorb the discrimination from your brothers and sisters in christendom. A Muslim who I say itaqIllah to, if he knows what it means, will stop himself from evil on others and definitely not on me.



[Quote]True followers of Jesus will not commit murder. If they hate "my type" then they are not Christian. Simple. That is not the example of Christ.[/Quote]Apply the same to Islam. You are so ignorant that I am unhappy with your thinking. You have to do better.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 01:12:05 PM
The bold is classic. I dont know what to say to you because your situation is worse than I thought. And you believe the bold I'm sure; so who entrapped the white american military officers, who used to be guards in Gitmo who are now muslims? Who promised the sister inlaw of Tony Blair riches? I wo. O shi ma fori e bale fun Allah the Irresistible, just like Jesus did, crying in the Garden.

Stop deceiving yourself; Jesus never prayed to your idol. No true child of Jehovah Elohim will convert to Islam. Those you are exulting over is the case of the blind leading the blind.[/Quote]Eloi is not remotely siilar to Jehovah or Yahweh, but Allah. say them privately and see what I am talking about. Continue after it to deny the obvious. If I were to say a name sounds like Aletheia, i will not write down macdonald, but Alethea, althea, Alicia, Alitalia. see what i mean?



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Luk 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?[/Quote]have you applied this to your 3 gods, which one of them says he is powerless, a servant? can the powerless helps a powerless? Can a slave lords over a slave, or servant lords over a servant?[/quote]

@Olaadegbu: « #209 on: Today at 02:45:19 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 17, 2010, 07:54 PM
@Olaadegbu; Today's western countries have its own christian on christian crimes and killings. You can lie to local man Aletheia. I live in the west. I know the mind of the western people like i know the mind of africans.

Anti Poverty family law center in the carolinas was so formed because the christians are still other christians based on skin color, similar to the northern nigerian muslims killing southern nigerian muslims. each has his own artificial reasons. Go to Utah, and Nevada for example the mormons, a christian set hate black people with the most intense passion.

President Barack Obama is derided for his 50% blackness, by mainstream white southern christians. Aetheia, Olaadegbu nton e. When you are ready to see the world, I will arrange a visitation letter so that you can see the ugly christians at work. those who will give you bananas with the overt and subtle message that you are a freaking monkey will do it to your face. They will not let you live in their community, attend their churches, even though its in your neighborhood. you wil be forced to go the distance to find black people's chirch. and the blacks may even through a class jab or two at your ignorant african mind.

lol. at least a well educated northern muslim will not discriminate against his brother in Islam. I have them in Nigeria and outside of her as i am talking to you now. we have One God, same Paradise, Same Quran, same Messenger, same Qibla and we are one body.

Ko kuku le ye eyin keferi.

You don't need to pull the wool over anyone's eyes, and as alethia has rightly said as far as you are concerned everyone living in the west or has white skin is a Christian.[/Quote]Use the same exact process with Sudan, and indeed arabs and the Northern Nigerians. You are worse in thoughts than the villager alitalia.



[Quote] Most of us are aware that you hate yourselves and only unite to fight the common enemy, Jews and Christians with is the spirit of the anti christ being the unifying factor.[/Quote]First and Second world wars. Nigerian Civil war. America wars; Independence, war of 1812, American Mexican war, just to name a few. All were engineered by and for the most part directed by Christians against Christians, primarily. I know you will put a spin on it, so put a cap on it, and know that you christians love to be christians when you want to be, while we must be muslims, in good time as well as when its not so good. You define us, but you hate to define yourselves, using the same sets of elements. Afghanistan, Iraq, Christians are taking the opportunities to kill as many muslims as they can, including using them for sports. A case about the "sport" part is going on right now in America, against military persons. We all know you people love virgns; so you rape muslims women and then kill them along with their families. Your cases are with Allah, you evil doers and unashamed of your evils.



[Quote]We don't even need to go far, look at what is happening not only in the northern part of Nigeria but our neighbouring Sudan where the light complexion Sudanese persecute and enslave their fellow muslims in Darfur because they are of a darker complexion, we've all heard of how the Sunnis and the Shittes in Iraq massacre themselves, the more than 73 sects in Islam thinks that it is their own sect that is going to be taken out of hell and they are ready to kill for it.[/QUote]Use the same rules on Christians fighting one another, as I have stated, above. You will either blame muslim, christian, or blame mankind as a whole.



[Quote]See how you can kill your own siblings or children if they dare choose to leave the sect, the way you marry your kids to adults and the aged, treat your wives and daughters as second class citizens who can even get stoned for being despoiled. Don't you dismember yourselves who fall into the wrong side of the law, cutting off their right hands making them social misfits in the society because they will be forced to use the left hand that they use to clean themselves and thereby cannot eat with that same hand from the same pot as others. Where is room for forgiveness and repentance?[/Quote]I dont know what you are blowing steam off for? Allah's Praising Names include The One WHo Forgives {Al Affuw} The One Who accepts Repentance {Al Gaffar, Gafur}. Allah is Al Rauf. He is Mercy and Merciful. He is the One the jews call Yahweh, Jehovah, Adonia, and jesus called ELoi. None of those are His real Name, except Allah, just like sweetnecta is not my name, while Olaadegbu is yours.



@aletheia: « #210 on: Today at 10:16:05 AM »
[Quote]@bashy_demy: Aren't you a one man Greek chorus. You know little about the Islam you profess, yet seek to pontificate on matters that are beyond you.

Rom 8:6-7 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

You Muslims are exactly in the same position as the Bani Isra'il: You make the same claims as they.[/Quote]What claim is that; we are children of God, or we are Gods? And great knowledge that does not benefit the one who acquires it, is a burden. John Esposito, has great knowledge of Arabic, and Quran. Yet a christian. Where is the benefit of that knowledge, except that each time I hear him argue, he alsways want to diminish the status of Quran, so that it has the same revision, edition, versions like Christian Bible has.



[Quote]John 8:33-36. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.[/Quote]First Jesus should have reminded them, except he didnt know or was covering up as well that they were slaves to the black coptics in Egypt.How quickly former slaves forget they were slaves. Further, if a sinner is a servant of sin, where is the Forgiveness directly from Yahweh? Every prophet made free those who followed him in obedience to will and worship of God Almighty. jesus was no exception. Muhammad (AS) is the same. So was Musa (AS) before them. So was Lut. So was Ibrahim. So was Noah. Even so was Adam, since his son Kabila didnt follow him and he committed murder as a result of disobedience.



[Quote]Since you have rejected the Word of the Son of God: know this, you shall not experience the peace of God until you say: "Baruch Haba B'Shem Adonai"[/Quote]Bad boy you. Neither son nor father can profit a soul. Allah is the ONLY REALITY.



[Quote]Quote from: bashy_demy on Yesterday at 02:25:06 PM
^^^ Seem you lack wisdom and understanding who is your Heavenly father?

Jehovah Elohim, the Father of our Lord and Saviour,[/Quote]Who is His wife? Remember the story of coming upon and over shadowing the young woman? Thats sex. You know it. If you doubt me, try it with your wife. She will tell you; "Aletheia, this is sex".



[Quote] Messiah Jesus of Nazareth, the King of kings, Lord of lords, the only Potentate, to whom be glory and praise now and forever.

Rom 8:14-15 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.[/QUote]Ol boy. You no dey taya for using Roman? Watin Jesus himself say? Think for a moment; Paul wasnt there, so he may be making it up. What did Jesus say; why did he say he is a servant instead of saying "I am God, so worship me"?

@Aletheia: « #207 on: Yesterday at 08:06:20 AM »
[Quote]^How little you know what it is to be a Christian. Unlike in Islam; no one is born a "Christian." That one's name is "John", "James", "Peter", or "Mary" doesn't make one a Christian.[/Quote]I know something is fishy about you. You werent born into christian home. Same was Olaadegbu. Same was Nucearboy. Same was Tonye-T. Same was Davidylan, etc. You were all from Islamic or Babalawo upbringing and found Christianity which has enriched you tremendously. You think like a poor mind. Let me count it for you; Yusuf Islam, of ENgland of the 70s Rock era's Cat Stevens, America; many Rappers and Actors including Ice Cubes, mainstream ordinary Joe Plumber; Hamzah Yusuf of Zaituna Institute, SUraj Wahhaj of Masjid Taqwa corner of Bedford and Fulton, Brooklyn, Yusuf Estes of San Antonio Texas, almost all black and white muslims including spanish, asians, etc of America are reverts from Christian background. You must be thinking that you are corresponding with a local villager fro your hamlet. You needto see the world; it a vast empire. It is nothing to Allah. Olaadegbu, o de so fun bobo e.



[Quote]Even if this is explained to Muslims a million times; they still don't get it.[/QUote]All your ideas are mere hypothesis, cant be proven. The case above is a good example. You need to get out some more because Seyibrown was a big time muslim woman wearing hijab and kimar before she found Jesus; this is more of a metaphor.



[Quote]Being a Christian is about having a relationship with the Heavenly Father---who commands his children to be holy even as He is holy. But of course your god knows nothing of holiness seeing as the word holy is not in your qur'an so you wouldn't understand.[/Quote]Qudus is Holy. Jibril is described as Ruhu Qudus; Holy spirit or spirit that is Holy. Call God your father and you His child. The relationship is clear to a child. You brothers and sisters know who is their father; mom's husband. Live in your fantastic fantasy and ignorance. When you are in hell, I guess you will finally realize that He is not your father, after all, but your Creator Who Commanded through Messengers (AS).



[Quote] You will not find any true Christian committing any of those things you highlight above, but on the other hand we see true Muslims committing murder in the name of al-ilah.[/QUote]Then there is no true Christians in the US, British, etc governments and their army as the waged "CRUSADE; Holy war", against Al Qaidah, and Tahliban, and even Saddam Hussayne (ra) and the Baath Party, then. George Bush, Dick Cheney, Rumsfelf, John Ashcroft, etc including Colin Powell were all Muslims and not Christians? They must be bad muslims, just like those who fought their own brothers. The whole of Baptist movement that late Jerry Fahwell belonged are not christians; they hate your type; black and african. When we look at your definition of true christians, am sure you are not, since you disagree with Jesus, but always agree with Paul.



[Quote]As for your visitation letter; I don't need it. The whole earth belongs to My Heavenly Father: so he can arrange for me to visit any country if it is His will for me. But any way you are acting true to type: Isn't that how you people entrap "converts" by promising them material things?[/Quote]The bold is classic. I dont know what to say to you because your situation is worse than I thought. And you believe the bold I'm sure; so who entrapped the white american military officers, who used to be guards in Gitmo who are now muslims? Who promised the sister inlaw of Tony Blair riches? I wo. O shi ma fori e bale fun Allah the Irresistible, just like Jesus did, crying in the Garden.

[Quote]« #202 on: November 15, 2010, 12:29 AM »

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Now about Trinity; does it stand with the two bold? Every Messenger and Prophet [AS] was the commander of his flock. The mouth piece of God.

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We have at least established that Jesus and God Whom he is calling his father are two different entities. We have seen that Jesus was telling his disciples that he will come back for them, but it never happened. Jesus has not returned and no disciple remains on earth. It has been 2000 years and counting. We also know above that he said that at least the work that he did should be believed, if nothing else. And those who believed him, then should do even greater work in his name. Today and then, no one has regenerated a lost limb on a person. Seyi, you live in England, and there are many Iraqi and Afghani limb lost veterans. Only one limb I want you to regenerate for a very fortunate royal marine. That will make your case above, and until then, it is all make up, since none of you can do more than a prophet, now that you call him God, doing better than him; a great miracle indeed? Every prophet was the key to reaching God, in their time. Jesus is no exception though you guys have managed to call him son of God, which I have asked you many times that will it not be natural for his mother to be the wife here? You have shied away from it and though you say he is God, he managed to prove you wrong by shouting to a God, instead of his father. Now who knows God's relationship with Jesus better, you or Jesus, you say Jesus is His son and he said he is His servant sent? One party must be wrong here.

I'll explain again.[/Quote]I know that you are being sarcastic by your "explain again" and what you wrote below, because it does not make any sense about God Almight the Irresistible.



[Quote]God came down to us in the form of man - Jesus - to show us the way, the truth and life.[/Quote]And He couldnt have merely commanded it? And to tell you to obey your parents, Jesus failed to honor his mother, calling her "woman". Some god, similar to onisongo of Oshogbo.



[Quote]He came to show us what a relationship we as humans should have with him 'as God the father'.[/Quote]And when he died? What was that all about; show you how to die crying all of a sudden behave like a disbeliever in God by the phrase "Why" in the "my God, my God, why has Thou forsaken me"?



[Quote]He came to show an example, therefore it was necessary that he prayed to/called to the father so that we can see how to do it![/Quote]He should have said "Call on me". And before, all the past human genration before him, he had hid himself, but for you he had to come down, through a woman, while Adam and Eve did not come through any woman. SHouldnt the appearance of God be a something ore Awesome than that of Adam and or Eve, instead of the flat "just no dad" of Jesus?



[Quote] All of his life was an example to us![/Quote]Including when he cursed you are fools, vampires, adulterous generations, buy swords, etc including calling people dogs and discriminating against who should receive his preaching or not? Thats a terribly bad example. Thats not a real prophet based on your Bible.



[Quote]God came down to earth in a form that we can easily interact with to show us to interact with him (the father) in heaven![/Quote]Was no God and brought 10 Commandments. The Jews stick by it, if only as something they agree to tolerate for themselves. Your god said no one is to abrogate OT, the prophets and laws in it. When Paul arrived he said it does not mean anything anymore. Jesus you will claim is the one that says it is summed up as "Love your God with all your heart and love your neighbors like yourself", showing that he hself was dubious speaking from both sides of the mouth.



[QUote]I already explained this when you complained Grin earlier that he sweated, cried etc. He came in human form and would therefore do what humans do - eat, sleep, walk, breathe, toilet etc.[/Quote]The same God that says if a man sees Me, such a man will die, now changed His ind to be citizen Joe (sorry citizen Jesus) of Nazareth? Seyi. O je rora pelu itu to npa.



[Quote]Matthew 22:30 (New International Version)
30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.[/Quote]Just imagine a woman who enjoyed sex is now deprived the very thing that should have been enhanced. What reward does the Christian heaven really offer? No sex, no nothing, except sorry, clapping of hands and singing? There is a thread by a christian dame saying that she is even tired of clapping here. Just imagine that she is made to do it for infinity. Is that not punishment of itself? But fruits and all beautiful thngs, the Bible claims were in The Garden of Eden, yet their even is going to be barren! Big time punishment, I say. Sunny said, "aa mu emu laiye nbi" knows that big time punishment is waiting for christians.



[Quote]I know you are being sarcastic about Mary being the wife of God[/Quote]No I was not because you said jesus was son of God, thats why. Unless you are being sarcastic? Dont say it if you dont mean it, and ready to stand by it.



[Quote] but I want to point out to you that there is no marriage/intimacy in heaven.[/Quote]Speak about your barren and boring heaven. paradise; there is sex, food and earthly memory.



[Quote]When you die, there are no 72 virgins waiting to be used by you and those who promised them to you. I have also posted before that God created Adam and Eve without a biological father and that it was the same case with Jesus. Jesus enterd this world through the same avenue everyone except Adam and Eve did, through a woman! Even then the Jews refused to belive him; would they have believed someone from Mars or who dropped from heaven?[/Quote]And they believed in Adam. They believed in Moses. Think about it. And about the virgins, InshaAllah i will have my wife, wives and women of heavens as virgins and I will be the virgin for my women. Seyi will miss this event in his unhoped for heaven. I think that is hellfire if you ask me. By the way even the cloned sheep had a better creation story than Jesus story is. And many women are parents today without having sex, or not even pregnant. I dont know what you are raven about the situation of Jesus especially when lady Eve had a better process of becoming human.



[Quote]Again like Abraham said, they would not believe even if one was to rise from the dead, which is the case with many who reject Christ today![/Quote]And Abraham is friend of God. Moses raised up a dead man. Which one of the two is God, if Jesus is as well?



[Quote]There are many miracles happening around us. I know of at least one miracle of a small child who grew a body part right in front of a congregation! The many miracles that happen in Nigeria do not convince you, how much more one that happens far away.[/Quote]Miracles happened in Nigeria? I dont know about it. I dont live in Nigeria and I dont pay attention to what christians do.If a child grew a body part, tell him to grow a body part missing for any military personnel in the country he resides. You grow one for the Royal marine, I again, challenge you. I regain my own sight. A friend told me today that his hearing is coming back to him. The same friend was telling me about a man who could not hear, but as he went on Ummrah, he heard the call to prayer, regaining his hearing. I dreamt about a boy who is wheel chair bound from baby because of the mistake of a doctor, during his mother's pregnancy with him. I told his father that in my dream the boy was soaked in Zam Zam water, and they gave hi some to drink. He was laughing and I woke up. I have told his father to take him on hajji, next year. may Allah cure Daud ibn Jabir by it. Amin.



[Quote]In Luke 16: 19 -31, Jesus told of how the rich man begged Abraham to send someone to his family members to warn them of hell; Abraham said that if they refused to listen to Moses and the prophets that were with them, they would not believe in the reality of hell even if someone was to rise from the dead! Abraham was right; Jesus rose from the dead (and performed many miracles prior to his death) and many still do not believe! They choose not to; they don't want to. I think that even if your crippled neighbour grew a limb after being prayed for in Jesus name, you would not believe because you have set your heart not to believe anything that has a connection with Jesus Christ the messiah. Nevertheless, I pray for the light of God to shine upon your life and that the power of God breaks down every wall of partition between you and his salvation. Amen![/Quote]Operative words "Believed" in prophets. Muhammad (AS) was the last of them. His process that Allah gave him is easier than each of the processes of the other Messengers and prophets before him. Moses was claimed by a tribe. jesus, you said died and even began to rotten, the reason the women brought fragrances. Muhammad (AS) is alive in the hearts of believers in the same way as he was real to the Companons (RA). When I enter salah now, I always imagine him as he appeared in the presence of Allah, prostrating to his Creator. My human mind cant capture the whole essence, but I know that Allah sees me, and He is always Complete. Definitely, He is different from your incomplete gods, from which one is unable to make independent decision, another unable, weak and nameless and the 3rd killed and began to rotten under the clutches of the Jews who realized that they have made a mistake for not verifying that he was dead.

[Quote]« #193 on: November 13, 2010, 09:35 PM »

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Jesus promised the disciples and that generation of followers the Another Comforter, and he never promised any generation, since you want us to be specific. Your generation is not that generation. Read it and get hold of yourself. This is reality. According to the Bible, it is a one time thing; day of penticost.

Jehovah's love, mercy and promises are not limited to any generation![/Quote]That not what Jesus said. Read about the "Another Comforter" again, and tel me where Jesus said his effect will reach you. You trick is very weak. Anyone after the group that Jesus addressed, your god, Jesus according to your Bible, did not say will catch the "holy spirit".



[Quote]Psalm 100:5 (King James Version)

5For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.[/Quote]This is completely opposite what Jesus said about the Holy SPIRIT and who it will affect. It may be that PSalm is the lie here. Or Gospel is the lie. Or both. Yet, it may be the Bible writers.



[Quote]Psalm 103:17-18 (King James Version)
17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
18To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.[/Quote]How many everlastings needed to show infinity, but one? If Abraham was a covenant keeper, righteous in all respect, how is his son Ishmael termed a wild and bad person? Should not the Children's children righteousness cover him and his children because of his father? I am pointing you to see the falsifications. I also have asked you to provide a single evil or wild as an ass behavior that Ishmael ever emitted. You never provide a single one, a proof that the Bible is wrong, yet, again.



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Who is the speaker here? WHo is the Giver? Are they one and the same? Are they Jesus? Where is Jesus here, in James 1;5? Is he the speaker or is he the Giver? There is Jesus somewhere there and I say he is the speaker, talking about the Giver. There is God somewhere there and I say He is the Giver being spoken about by the speaker of the Gospel according to John.

Written by James by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. God is the giver, and you ask in Jesus name because it is by the work done on the cross that we can boldly come into his presence.[/Quote]You seem to fall for your own lies. Read the verse you posted, again. The writer is not the speaker. The Giver is not the speaker, and not the writer. Honesty, in discuss is the better policy than the lies or docking from the truth you are putting forward. In the Quran, we know that Allah is the 100% Speaker.



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May Allah give me wisdom, knowledge, understanding and much more, forgiveness and strength to struggle against evil. Amin.

If after all these years you have not got it from the one you have been asking from, why don't you try asking the 'ALMIGHTY GOD' and try adding 'IN JESUS NAME'. 'ALLAH' does and can not do anything IN JESUS NAME; THE ALMIGHTY GOD does![/Quote]I have it. Havent you been reading my post? I said i could have been declared legally blind, and from my own commitment to my absolute belief in Allah, I have regained my sight. Ti nba ti fi ori bale, ma ki Olorun Oba. Ma bere Ola Olorun fun Ojishe Olorun (AS). Ma wa so fun Olorun ko daa oju mi pada si bi o she daa fun mi nigba ewe mi, ki adon wo oju noo too bere. Ma pari adura mi pelu Ibere Ola Olorun fun Ojishe Olorun (AS). I did not have to wait for a dead man and his blood. I didnt put any veil or man or woman or anything between me and my Creator. Allah is alive, and Complete, all the time.

[Quote]You are then to yield to the Holy Spirit who will guide you:

Romans 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.[/Quote]Rubbish she posted. Let Jesus speak for himself, similar to let Baal fight for itself. We read Jesus the unwaged servant of his God. We read that Jesus was made by his Maker. We read the powerless Jesus being aided by God with Angel of God, Gabriel. We see the begging Jesus asking mercy from his Lord. We see the disbelief they heaped on the head of Jesus by his asking why God forsook him. Whoever believes in lies, it will seem to him, in this case her that she is following the truth.



[Quote] . . . . and why do we need to accept Christ?
Romans 6:23 (King James Version)
23[b]For the wages of sin is death[/b]; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
. . . . and no amount of good deeds we do will take those sins away or take the wages of sin away e.g no amount of special baths/ablution will take away the sin of fornication/adultery![/Quote]All who have died have sinned, by your statement? Jesus was also killed by your admission. Death, you said is the wages of sin.



[Quote]Where does the devil (who one of his manifestations is the spirit of the 'anti-christ') fit in all these?
John 10:10 (King James Version)

10[b]The thief[/b] cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:[/Quote]The devil is called a thief. What shall we call a prophet but a restorer of faith, a supporter and director of and to what is good. Is a Prophet of God, like Moses not a comforter of his people in Egypt, corrector of his people when he destroyed the cow they called jehovah, a bringer of good action and law as in the 10 Commandments, and that Jesus said a comforter is, especially former and another to come? Are prophets of good spirits sent by God, as was stated in the "how to know a true prophet from false prophets"? Tonye-T, even your Bible says that shaytan your master is a thief, stealing and killing and destroying man from spiritual path, without them knowing it. So Tonye-T the rat is hiding in the rat maze, underground. The snake of the type that lied to Eve in the garden of Eden needs to go and smoke this rat out of his gutter. Can you imagine a concept that a snake is in the garden? Seyi o! Shee o ngbo?



[Quote]I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.[/Quote]And he died. So were his listeners. No Christians have survived since this was said. I say it is a prophetic failure of the highest order. Alitalia, shee iwo no ngbo?



[Quote]John 8:43-45 (King James Version)
43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.[/Quote]A bad leader will always have a bad following.



[QUote] 44[b]Ye are of your father the devil[/b], and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45[b]And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.[/b][/Quote]WHo was he addressing, but his companions, from his tribes, the children of Israel? If these are devils, how is God protecting the devil and keep him and his people as the chosen for Him? Allah abandoned them after Jesus and chose Muhammad (AS) as the only one for all mankind.



[Quote]Don't let the devil rob you of the good life (Jeremiah 29:11) God has purposed for you; he will tell every possible lie to get you to stay away from Christ;[/Quote]Until you say he is God. Guess what; you have said it. Now be warned.



[Quote] he will promise everything posssible to get you not to become born-again; Cry out to God today to open your eyes and shine his light into your life and he will answer you![/Quote]My cry Allah accepted it; I regained my sight. Now try with me to worship the Almighty Allah; Oluwaseyi Mrs. Brown.

[QUote]When you accept Christ, your sins are wiped out:[/QUote]I was sinless when I arrived on earth, up to the time I was old enough to discharge male gamete, or age 15, or when my voice began to break, or when pubic hairs appeared in my private area. ANd with my mouth, I ask ALlah directly to forgive me. I dont need anyone to do this through. Look,i have stated my story of eye problem, that was just cure only the past month. These are my signs of Allah's Presence in my life.



[Quote]Isaiah 1:18 (King James Version)

18Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Acts 10:43 (King James Version)

43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.[/Quote]Isiah is now defending Jesus. Acts are now defending Jesus. Jesus cant defend himself.



[QUote]You are then commanded to 'go and sin no more'[/QUote]And when you sin some more,you come back again. No? I can do the same, directly without a medium between me and God Almighty Allah.



[QUote]John 8:11 (King James Version)

11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.[/Quote]Behavior of an innocent leader. He didnt see it, but God Sees, everything. If this is your proof, you have validated every prophet, including Jesus son of Mary (AS).



[Quote]You are then to yield to the Holy Spirit who will guide you:[/Quote]You are peddling your lies again.The Holy spirit you dont know the first thing about; its name. I bet you are using the statement of a known liar to sell this product. Lets see what you put forward in the next post.